Sodium fluoride MSDS
11 2012-11-16 by [deleted]
We have all heard the Fluoride in the Water and Toothpaste conspiracies. Here is a msds for that chemical (Sodium fluoride is Sodium fluoride no matter how you manufacture it)
Pay attention to 2. HAZARDS IDENTIFICATION
H301 Toxic if swallowed.
P301 + P310 IF SWALLOWED: Immediately call a POISON CENTER or doctor/ physician.
R25 Toxic if swallowed
And 11.1 Information on toxicological effects
LDLO Oral - Human - female - 360 mg/kg Remarks: Cyanosis
LDLO Oral - Human - female - 90 mg/kg Remarks: Behavioral:Fluid intake. Behavioral:Muscle weakness.
LDLO Oral - Human - 71 mg/kg Remarks: Behavioral:Tremor. Musculoskeletal:Changes in teeth and supporting structures. Musculoskeletal:Other changes.
TDLo Oral - Human - female - 7 mg/kg Remarks: Sense Organs and Special Senses (Nose, Eye, Ear, and Taste):Eye:Ptosis. Cyanosis
TDLo Oral - Human - 3.57 mg/kg Remarks: Gastrointestinal:Changes in structure or function of salivary glands. Gastrointestinal:Other changes.
31 comments
12 rednail64 2012-11-16
A majority of toothpastes on the market contain about 0.15% fluoride ion, which comes out to 1500 ppm (parts per million.)
In 1.5 ml of toothpaste (the large stripe pictured above) you would find 2.25 mg of fluoride.
In a pea sized amount of toothpaste, you would only find 0.3 mg of fluoride.
How Much Fluoride is in Fluoridated Water? Most fluoridated water contains about 1.0 ppm. That means that in 1 liter of water, you would find about 1 mg of fluoride.
8 YogiWanKenobi 2012-11-16
I'm just doing some quick math, but a 70kg (154 lb.) person would have to drink ~245L of water at once to receive the 3.57 mg/kg dose and experience the minimum toxicological effects. That, or eat ~90 stripes of toothpaste at once.
Most people who read this thread will ignore these numbers and ignore the body's excretory processes. Thank you, however, for being the voice of reason in this thread.
1 Dat_Nugga_Dust 2012-11-16
If I'm not mistaken the maximum international standard is 1.5 ml/L which is diabolical. My town allegedly has 0.2ml fluoride per litre of water which is said to be naturally occurring.
Their is no safe dosage in terms of medicating drinking water. You're right. It's a scam. Some people drink more water than others, most people can't afford the appropriate filters and the majority of people are too stupid or hard up or both to avoid drinking tap water.
2 nekteknik 2012-11-16
The threshold for the EPA is 2 mg/L, the standard for tap water is between 0.7 and 1.2 mg/L. I get my drinking water from an artesian well and it tests at 0.14 mg/L, I drink about a gallon a day. I've always wondered if this was still too much to ingest but it sure beats tap water.
1 Lorem_Ipsum 2012-11-16
A gallon of water for no reason sounds like a lot. Your kidneys have to go through all of that, all that extra work is going to age them faster.
1 nekteknik 2012-11-16
I do a keto diet so no carbs means no water retention. I'm not too concerned about aging my kidneys from drinking water but I'll look into it.
3 rednail64 2012-11-16
Here's the MSDS for sand, which is a proven carcinogen. Oh noes!
http://www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId=9924861
7 [deleted] 2012-11-16
We're consuming sand now?
0 BLOCKlogic 2012-11-16
Yes you are, go find any shredded cheese, store bought in bag, look at ingredients Silicon Dioxide. They use it in many products as a method of preventing caking.
Quick list off the top of my head:
Better Made Chips (Flavored varieties, Sweet BBQ, Salt+Vin, and one more; if i remember correct)
GFS Brand Cheese, etc
Some Pills and Supliments
Food from dollar stores(prone to caking, chips, cheese, etc.)
Many Other products that i cannot name or remember
A&W onion rings
My sources are myself.
I've worked in the food industry for a long time, in restaurants since I was 15, combined 10 years of restaurant work experience, one and a half of which is Restaurant Management.
I've worked in and around food enough to pick up the habit of inspecting ingredients of products I'm employed to produce meals with. Over the years I've seen and learned a lot about food, restaurants and the nature of business, slowly it's driving me to my true destiny; the specifics of which i'm unsure, but i do know I'll be growing plants/food, selling the produce, as well as cooking it and feeding people via some sort of Organic healthy themed restaurant.
To sum up, i've slowly learned my mission is to make food healthy; I want to relearn and reinvent ways to produce healthy meals, fast food or dine in, that taste just as good as comfort/snack/junk/sugary/processed foods we all know and love. I believe the best way to do that is thru a organic restaurant setup, and then to slowly work on pulling back from just organic to healthy, cost effective, and competitive alternatives to current food production trends and standards.
EDIT: YEAH, that's right I know you don't like it or me but I want people to learn something from reading and asking questions. I have no reason to lie and nothing to gain, READ THE FINE PRINT ON EVERYTHING!
You will learn things.
Also i'm already gonna downvote myself so you jerks (the individual, and those alike, who originally down-voted me) who roam /r/conspiracy now , and don't discus why they down voted your post, are going to anyways.
EDIT EDIT: I've been humbled by the jerkoff below me and learned to provide better context before insulting some fuck(and/or computer/fake account/shill/etc) on the internet; but i'm not saying that's what the Gentleman-fag below me is, merely the people I explain in the comment i made in reply to the Sir bellow me.
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2 BLOCKlogic 2012-11-16
Well, now I may look crazy, but i was downvoted when i first posted it, then i went to repost the comment above this one into rednails post, but it was slightly reworded.
But when i went to do that I noticed that the original post was back to not having other downvotes other than my own since i downvoted it after i noticed it going negative. So then i just quickly edited the original, reupvoted it and deleted the post i made under the rednail.
When i went to sleep i had one upvote, mine, now the downvote is likely yours or someone else who feels like they were called a jerk.
EDIT: I didn't read your full post, I understand it was only in response to mine(i.e. to say in reaction to mine), which was vastly misunderstood as I explained above. So in reality, maybe you could have refrained from calling me a dickhead, it sorta taints the point that it's I who needs to learn to be less a jerk.
My only reason in posting was to spread some real-world knowledge that I've picked up in my journeys, but alas I rambled about my personal destiny on the internet, got down-voted a bunch, reacted cause I felt I was being downvote brigade-ed and have now made an ass of myself. Wohhh-Hooo!
My friend, I never made any indication that my beliefs are contradictory of yours so all of the topics in your comment seem random an a touch irrelevant. I never said I supported: Municipalities taking checks from mining operations, removing personal choices, and/or anything else.
0 [deleted] 2012-11-16
Reddit adds arbitrary down and upvotes to stop vote gaming. I didn't up or downvote you, its a system of social engineering and it is petty to say the least.
That said, I have absolutely no idea what point you are trying to convey in your response, you are all over the map and it appears as though you did not even touch upon the subject matter.
And preemptively calling tens of thousands of people "jerks", is a pretty dickheaded move.
Cheers
1 BLOCKlogic 2012-11-16
You're right you win, you're more holy then me, I should not have called 'tens of thousands of people jerks', I am a huge dickhead.
I'm sure, that you, thine most holy of handles, ShillsShillingShills has and would NEVER blaspheme, thousands of anonymous people by making any statement that could be missunderstood as being directed towards every
person in a select populationaccount on /r/conspiracy .1 [deleted] 2012-11-16
Are you almost done fucking whinging yet? Good grief.
1 BLOCKlogic 2012-11-16
Sometimes it's not about who uses the biggest words or who can talk the fastest or loudest; it's odd that your world view has no room for empathy on the interwebs.
yeah yeah i'm whinging, but the way you comment with myself and rednail allude that you like to
aruge, I mean, debate on the internet. Rather than throwing your mind in the melting pot that is collective, web, conscious experience.To say any more complexly would be hurtful, bro you are wound up, far, too tightly like Rednail said. It doesn't need any thought to it, nor a mastery, nay even a grasp, of rhetoric to understand your vibes my friend. They are a completely separate facet of human experience/life, it's more about feels and gooy things, the abstract in nature, as apposed to logic and defined pokey things that are angular in nature.
But alas, I'm sure that last
paragraph, err comment/all of it was too gooy for you to have any feels for.1 [deleted] 2012-11-16
Are you done fucking whinging yet?
You and I both knew that was coming.
1 BLOCKlogic 2012-11-16
I'm so cool, with my internets, keyboard and swear word technology!
Fucking yeah! check those whinging internets into submission fuck yeah!
STOP WHINGING AND EAT DICKS, said the profit ShillsShillingShills.
EXTREME!
-1 rednail64 2012-11-16
No. I'm simply trying to show that looking at a MSDS without context is laughable.
-1 [deleted] 2012-11-16
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5 rednail64 2012-11-16
I was trying to make the point that anything can be toxic, even sand. Sorry that was lost on you.
The quantities OP posted in the MSDS are beyond the range of normal consumption. Over consume anything and there may be toxicity.
-1 [deleted] 2012-11-16
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6 rednail64 2012-11-16
You're clearly wound too tightly. Have a nice night.
0 [deleted] 2012-11-16
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3 rednail64 2012-11-16
Yawn
-1 downtowne 2012-11-16
Yes, but you should still go pound sand, now.
1 rednail64 2012-11-16
Weak.
3 downtowne 2012-11-16
As was yours
-1 rednail64 2012-11-16
Sez you
4 downtowne 2012-11-16
Yes, and you may go back to your sand now.
2 [deleted] 2012-11-16
Good link. There are other common flouride compounds that should be investigated too. Some of them are by-products from fertilizer production that are commonly added to water and are even more dangerous.
2 shadow_gov 2012-11-16
Seriously guys, this IS a conspiracy but for the wrong reasons.
Tap water has typically less fluoride and bacterial levels than bottled water. Source
The government, which all you Americans fear and despise, actually tries really hard to do good, one of which is to regulate bacteria and fluoride levels in water.
Obviously because of you conspiracy nuts, that and corporation lobbyists, bottled water companies do not maintain as rigid a standard than ordinary tap water. In fact, all they do is collect water in some stream, bottle it up and sell it to you. The only reason it is that clean is that the stream water is collected at a high altitude where contaminants have not reached it yet.
The REAL conspiracy is why there is a conspiracy about fluoride water levels in tap water, when most bottled water contain more. In fact, if people refuse to drink tap water, who would benefit? Hmmm.
Corporations have been duping you and you sheeple still refuse to notice.
Ninja edit: Grammar
1 civiljoe 2012-11-16
Look up Edward Bernays - how right you may be shadow!
1 [deleted] 2012-11-16
that gave me shills
0 pnc_virtual 2012-11-16
fluoride again? Fluoride is almost harmless(don't bury me yet!) as long as you're getting enough iodine/iodide. Just look at the periodic table: http://www.bpc.edu/mathscience/chemistry/images/periodic_table_of_elements.jpg
Fluorine(9)... reading downwards: Chlorine(17), Bromine(35), Iodine(53).... What does that mean? That means that Iodine is able to displace(remove) all those lighter halogens such as fluoride. The real conspiracy here is when they started taking out Iodine out of food and replacing it with toxins like Bromine.
1 laughattheleader 2012-11-16
Now I know why the local health food shop was pushing talisman iodine bottles recently.
1 BLOCKlogic 2012-11-16
You're right you win, you're more holy then me, I should not have called 'tens of thousands of people jerks', I am a huge dickhead.
I'm sure, that you, thine most holy of handles, ShillsShillingShills has and would NEVER blaspheme, thousands of anonymous people by making any statement that could be missunderstood as being directed towards every
person in a select populationaccount on /r/conspiracy .