Oh man this is awesome. I hope for your sake you are just writing some good fiction for shits and giggles because if you really believe this you are bat shit insane!
God do I love your butthurt. The entire world laughs at you and it hurts so bad you lash out at these people like if only it weren't for them, no one would realize that you're plastic-helmet level retarded.
A Star Wars reference as a witty retort? Totes going a long way to convince me you don't live in your parents basement. Perhaps you'd like to rephrase in the form of a snarky Fight Club quote?
Different Researcher/Whistleblower like Fritz Springmeier,Bill Schnoebelen,William Cooper,"Svali" (Whistleblower Name) etc
are confirming that the "Illuminati" exist and controls the secret societys and goverment.
The original Illuminati was the Bavarian Illuminati founded by Adam Weishaupt.
"Conceal the very fact of our existence from the profane. If they discover us, conceal our real objective by profession of kindness. If our real object is perceived, pretend to disband and relinquish the whole thing, but assume another name and put forward new agents" - Adam Weisshaupt
You should probably spend some time with friends and loved ones(that aren't involved in the crime committed, of course) or at least find some one to talk to at a mental health facility if things get too rough. If money is a problem, check to see if any offer free crisis counseling or offer a sliding payment scale.
As far as I know, none of the prayers are to a king. They're not to M-L-C-H. They are to yod-hay-vav-hay. Or YHVH. He is never just addressed as just king. That immediate fact proves you're just trying to spread disinformation and promote further racism.
Also, there is Kabbalah. It could be possible that's what you mean. Kabbalah is Jewish mysticism and is a direct violation of Torah. I assure you, any magic or satanic rituals are that and not accepted by the main group of Jewish believers.
Yes but, he is not just "King". There are laws that go against MLCH. I assure you any one that tries to claim they are one and the same is speaking blasphemy.
The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn (or, more commonly, the Golden Dawn) was a magical order active in Great Britain during the late 19th and early 20th centuries, which practiced theurgy and spiritual development. It has been one of the largest single influences on 20th-century Western occultism.
Deep within your crapshoot of insanity, I found a coherent statement whose factual inaccuracy I could demonstrate clearly.
However, Jewish prayers are dedicated to both god and Satan.
Your lack of understanding of the context of the Old Testament names reveals that you're, to use a technical term, "totally full of shit."
The word "King" is often used in place of "God" in the Torah. However, the torah has no vowels.
True.
The word for "King" is M-E-L-E-C-H.
True.
The word for "Satan" is M-O-L-O-C-H.
FALSE. Moloch is not "Satan", but an ancient Ammonite God derived from the same root as "Melech" (king). You only associate him with Satan because some time during the 500-100s B.C. Gods other than Yahweh became associated with demons and Satan in Jewish (and later Christian) demonology.
Moloch IS, however, an enemy God, one to whom Mosaic law (the Torah) forbids sacrifice. Jews do NOT pray to "God and Satan", nor do they even pray to "Melech and Moloch". It's JUST Melech, and MLCH (as you transliterate from Hebrew) is understood UNIVERSALLY to be ONLY Melech, not Moloch. Your interpretation is based on taking what's actually known, and throwing in a nice healthy dose of bullshit.
Furthermore, in the Old Testament, "Satan" exists as a job title, not a person ("Ha-Satan", generally translated as "the Opposer" or "the Accuser"). Furthermore, this figure appears in the book of Job, not as a source of evil, but as someone who is SIMPLY DOING HIS JOB by questioning Yahweh. If you had actually studied this subject - something I've done pretty recently, and in depth - you'd know this stuff, instead of pulling shit out of your ass based on misconceptions.
Even in the Gospels, when Jesus says "get out of my way, Satan", he is referring to Peter not as a devil, but as a literal Adversary, or "one who bars the way".
In the torah, we pray to "M-L-C-H."
Correct. Which is pronounced "Melech." Which means King. It does NOT refer to the Ammonite God who is derived from the same root word.
So while MANY Jews do NOT worship the devil.... Many DO
There is no devil in the Torah, or any other part of the Old Testament. Ha-Satan is NOT the devil, this is an association that doesn't really appear until early medieval Christianity. Ha-Satan is most certainly an angel, and there is no indication that he's a fallen one, rather than an angel of good standing with Yahweh, just doing the job assigned to him. If you're thinking to yourself "but at the end of the book of Job, God casts Satan down from Heaven", you're thinking of a folktale that has replaced the actual story in peoples' minds. In the ACTUAL Book of Job, there is no evidence of any punishment for Satan...which is consistent with the interpretation of him as a character who is NOT an "enemy of God".
I won't even bother to respond to the rest of your post, because it's just a massive clusterfuck. At least
There has been no evidence of satanic cults or rituals actually ever existing: -robotevil
Oh, really?
Ripper Crew or Chicago Rippers was a satanic cult and organized crime group composed of Robin Gecht (who once worked for the serial killer John Wayne Gacy) and three associates (Edward Spreitzer with brothers Andrew and Thomas Kokoraleis).[1] They were suspected in the disappearances of 18 women in Chicago, Illinois in 1981 and '82. Gecht and his gang allegedly drove around in a van looking for prostitutes to sacrifice in Gecht's apartment. They claimed to have removed one breast from each victim and eaten it as Gecht read passages of The Satanic Bible. It has also been said that they, after severing the breast, took turns raping the open wound. They then proceeded to each masturbate into the flesh of the breast, chop it into pieces, and devour it.
These men were arrested in 1982 for the stabbing of a teenaged prostitute.[2] Although Gecht's associates and other witnesses implicated him in some of the deaths, investigators never had enough evidence to charge him with murder. Gecht is serving 120 years in Menard Correctional Center for mutilating and raping an 18-year-old prostitute.[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripper_Crew
the Satanic Bible, is also a work of fiction -robotevil
Many young people would call the books of the Bible and the Torah "fiction" as well and yet many good Jews and Christians live their lives by those writings. Do you think the Torah or the Gospels are also fiction? What's your point exactly?
Gilmore lists a number of people who influenced LaVey's writings: Ayn Rand, Friedrich Nietzsche, H. L. Mencken, the members of the carnival with whom LaVey had supposedly worked in his youth, P. T. Barnum, Mark Twain, John Milton, and Lord Byron.[24]
LaVey's estranged daughter Zeena Schreck, in an exposé about both her father's religion and past, attributes the birth of The Satanic Bible to a suggestion by Peter Mayer, a publisher for Avon.[18] According to Schreck, Mayer proposed that LaVey author a Satanic bible to draw from the popularity of 1968 horror film Rosemary's Baby, which had caused a recent rise in public interest in both Satanism and the occult.[25] Schreck states that, aided by Diane Hegarty, LaVey compiled a number of writings he had already been distributing: an introduction to Satanism, a number of short essays, a guide to ritual magic, and articles he had previously published in The Cloven Hoof, a Church of Satan newsletter.[26][18]
Either to meet length requirements set by the publisher[16] or out of agreement with the ideas,[24] LaVey and Hegarty plagiarized writings by other authors. These included a social Darwinist book published in 1890 entitled Might is Right, as well as Dee's Enochian keys from Aleister Crowley's The Equinox, modified to replace references to Christianity with those to Satan.[27] Some accuse LaVey of paraphrasing the Nine Satanic Statements from Rand's Atlas Shrugged without acknowledgement, though others maintain that LaVey simply was drawing inspiration from the novel.[28][29] LaVey later affirmed the connection with Rand's ideas by stating that LaVeyan Satanism was "just Ayn Rand's philosophy, with ceremony and ritual added".
That's not a satanic cult, that's three crazy guys, a van, and a need to kill prostitutes. This does not prove that Satanic cults sacrificing children or abusing children is something that exists. As I just pointed out moron.
These guys read aloud from the Satanic Bible while they dismembered, raped and desecrated their murder victims but they weren't a Satanic cult because "real Satanists" wouldn't do that?
"Hello, No True Scotsmantm ? I have an amazing new entrant for your contest." LOL
No, this is not a No True Scotsman thing, although I find your use the term incredibly ironic. BTW, for the record, we were making fun of you yesterday when we said "well they weren't true Satanists".
The thing is, greenie, is we make fun of you a lot, but your too dumb to understand that we are.
That's completely different from the statement you made. You wrote a post about Jewish Satanism, and that's just not a thing in the Old Testament whatsoever. These aren't nuances, they're the entire argument.
I've greatly expanded on the post since you replied. It's more than added nuance, I've demonstrated how your central point about Jews and Satan is completely made-up.
but you proved 2 things: 1) you are proficient at google
I know more than google. I linked one source since I figured someone would ask, but I actually know a good deal about Old Testament context, including Satan's role in the Bible.
2) you are verbally abusive and enjoy hurting victims of lifelong trauma.
Assuming I believe even the slightest bit of your clusterfuck of a post, don't redirect this onto me. You posted things that you made up or pulled out of your ass, and now you're trying an Argumentum Ad Misericordiam to get people to side with you. I'm not buying it.
Now you have to live with the fact that you are the person that you are.
I'm someone who doesn't sit idly by while others peddle racist bullshit. That's who I am, and I have no problem living with it.
While we're at it,
And in fact, German Jews made up a good portion of the Nazi party
This is also false. There were German "Jews" who converted to Christianity and bent over backwards being Pro-Nazi to remove suspicion of them, but very few Jews were actual Nazi party MEMBERS.
No, I'm pretty sure the entire bit about Jewish Satan Worship, Nazi Jews, and large numbers of Jewish sects worshipping Moloch are also made up.
There's no reason to believe any of this. You've provided zero proof, and when anyone doubts you, you play the "I was abused, pity me" card. I don't. I think you're here to push an agenda of anti-semitic hatred, despite your supposed adherence to Luke-style "Love they neighbor" aphorisms. If not for your comment about "all pigs being Jews", I might have even bought it.
As a native american, we tend to attract people...especially Satan worshippers. We had to call the cops a few times..because we did not want to be associated with these creepos. If I were to put a paranormal twist on this..then watch out...were stronger than all of that voodoo bunk.
I don't know if you are aware, but there are Zionists who are trying to discredit this subreddit and get people to unsubscribe from it merely because we sometimes talk about the crimes of Israel in here,
No, you discredit this subreddit yourself by spouting bullshit about Jews. It's not about Israel, it's not about Zionism, and you know it. You even admitted that when you say Jews, you mean JEWS, not "Zionists".
All pigs are Jews, but not all Jews are pigs. You are likely both.
Look, another falsehood!
There are TONS of Christian "Zionists" who support Israel because they believe Jewish control of Israel is necessary for the rapture.
But, ignoring Zionism, this is just incredibly racist, and you've exposed yourself as just spouting anti-semitic garbage under the guise of a plea for sympathy and attention.
By the way, what tipped you off to me being a lying Jewish pig? Was it my knowledge of the Old Testament, which I gleaned through secular study, or the fact that I pointed out how full of shit you are and therefore am worthy of your hatred?
Satan, or "Ha-Satan" in the Old Testament, means "The Adversary", or "The Accuser". It's a job title, not a name, given to one of the Angels who appears most prominently in the book of Job. There is no indication that this is a fallen angel, no solid reason to associate this unnamed individual with "Lucifer", and no reason to believe it refers to a so-called "devil". Near as can be told, in the book of Job, "Satan" is more or less just doing his job - and contrary to what you may have heard (since I know the version I'd been told before READING the actual book of Job myself), there is no evidence of Yahweh punishing Ha-Satan or casting him out of heaven.
Essentially, AllenLibman is full of shit, has no idea what "Satan" is in Jewish text, and is completely ignorant of the context of the Old Testament.
Risperidone. You just have another gibberish delusion in the sea of gibberish delusions that is the internet. Wake up buddy, your mind is lying to you. You're all whacked out.
Fair enough. It doesn't answer my question because I was really reaching with my intention. The way I see it, and I don't know much man, is if there people are doing these, well, he's more than likely an entity. That exists.
Fair enough. It doesn't answer my question because I was really reaching with my intention. The way I see it, and I don't know much, man, is if there people are doing this, well, he's more than likely an entity. That exists.
And in fact, German Jews made up a good portion of the Nazi party.
Franz Xaver Schwarz (27 November 1875, Günzburg, Kingdom of Bavaria - 2 December 1947) was a German politician who served as Reichsschatzmeister (National Treasurer) of the Nazi Party during most of the Party's existence.
I have a friend, who in 10th grade got in an argument with his mother and she broke down and told him that for 20 years leading up to his birth, she was a witch, belonging to a coven. Once she was pregnant she got out, and divorced the man who impregnated her. All of my friends and I thought it was weird, his mom was always super drugged out on benzos and shit to keep her calm, and his dad, at the time, was like 80 years old. Very strange when none of our parents in middle school were too far over 50. Anyways, this charming, successful intellectual wooed her into carrying a baby, and that baby, my friend, was being born for the coven. She told him the day he was born, there were 20 or so professionals (doctors, lawyers etc) all waiting eagerly to "see the baby," which is when her protective instincts kicked in and she decided to leave. They used to take part in animal sacrifice, ritualistic group sex and other crazy shit, but my friend saw none of it. One day, after he found this all out, we went into his mom's dresser and found a cloak, and a ceremonial dagger from "the good ole days." Had what appeared to possibly be a blood stain on it. Another friend of mine who I told this story to one day was floored because his first girlfriend in high school told him all the same shit, except she endured SRA and was extremely fucked up from it. She also showed him the cloaks and daggers her parents had hidden in their closet, and would say things like "you don't know what they do to me. They're not what they appear to be." Crazy shit.
There are clearly shills in this thread doing damage control. Stop getting all caught up the technicalities of what is satan. Does it matter? If these people are participating in occult rituals, can't we just say it's in the name of evil? They are purposely participating in these rituals to harvest power, a rush, and because they're convinced it works. Can't we just say there is in fact a large group of globalist fucks who participate in this shit? Clearly, if these rituals exist, they may have been dug up, and rediscovered by the Golden Dawn, but in reality these rituals and rites stem from the Ancient Middle East; exactly why we shouldn't get too caught up in a debate over the technical names of deities. These are evil worshipping fucks, and THIS IS NOT EXCLUSIVE TO Judaism. The catholic church is riddled with abuse which we know of from the recent media exposure it's gotten in the last 20 years. But dudes, this shit is pervasive through all the mind-prison religions. The people who inflict religious orthodoxy on the population are the ones doing this. Check out the wikipedia page on Grimoires. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grimoire
I thought this stood out.
"The ancient Jewish people were also often viewed as being knowledgeable in magic, which according to legend they had learned from Moses, who himself had learned it in Egypt. Indeed, amongst many ancient writers, Moses himself was seen as an Egyptian rather than a Jew, and two manuscripts likely dating to the 4th century, both of which purport to be the legendary eighth Book of Moses (the first five being the initial books in the Biblical Old Testament), present him as a polytheist who explained how to conjure gods and subdue demons.[7] Meanwhile there is definite evidence of grimoires being used by certain, particularly Gnostic sects of early Christianity; in the Book of Enoch found within the Dead Sea Scrolls for instance, there is various information on astrology and the angels. In possible connection with the Book of Enoch, the idea of Enoch and his great-grandson Noah having some involvement with books of magic given to them by angels continued in various forms through to the mediaeval period.[8]"
We should probably stop referring to this rites and rituals as satanism, satanic in nature. It's DEMONOLOGY. Satanism is misleading, it keeps people in their reality tunnel only thinking about the things they already know, and think it has something to do with that Gimmick known as La Vey Satanism, or think it is directly tied to the christian bible, so all the atheists hop on the "i don't believe in that" train. But really, we're talking demonology here, and I think arguing over which deity it is is just the shill-fest.
FYI this post has been targeted by some Zionist extremists' bigoted downvote brigade on reddit. Something you said must have been highly upsetting/threatening to them.
I'm now very curious as to the content of the post and especially why moderators have removed it.
My grandfather was also instrumental in forming the ZBT fraternity (a Rothschild recruitment agency) at the University of Wisconsin.
That is interesting. I found this about Zeta Beta Tau.
Richard James Horatio Gottheil Richard James Horatio Gottheil was an American Semitic scholar, Zionist, and founding father of Zeta Beta Tau Fraternity. Wikipedia Born: October 13, 1862, Manchester Died: May 22, 1936, New York City Education: Columbia University
This has become a theory of mine as well. The Jewish, talmudic god, to me, appears to be some sort of gnostic demon. He demands worship and unbridled devotion of all kinds. Most Jews probably have no idea what they're actually worshipping, and wind up providing this evil energy with all sorts of prayer for it to feed off of. The same goes for Catholics, except Catholics are even more in the dark. Moden monotheistic mind-prisons are founded in believing in a spiteful, hateful god who likes to inflict his wrath upon us. The Jews' name for it is Yahweh. Is there any etymological similarity between Yahweh and the gnostic demi-urge they referred to as yaldabaoth? Anyway, it clearly seems to me that an ancient strain of Semitic demonology has permeated through the ages and quite very possibly got out of hand around the time of Salem witch trials. Seriously check out some of the paintings by Goya from the turn of the 18-19th century. Witches Sabbath in particular. I think it says a million words about this mystery practice of demonology by so called Religious folk.
the Satanic Bible, is also a work of fiction -robotevil
Many young people would call the books of the Bible and the Torah "fiction" as well and yet many good Jews and Christians live their lives by those writings. Do you think the Torah or the Gospels are also fiction? What's your point exactly?
Gilmore lists a number of people who influenced LaVey's writings: Ayn Rand, Friedrich Nietzsche, H. L. Mencken, the members of the carnival with whom LaVey had supposedly worked in his youth, P. T. Barnum, Mark Twain, John Milton, and Lord Byron.[24]
LaVey's estranged daughter Zeena Schreck, in an exposé about both her father's religion and past, attributes the birth of The Satanic Bible to a suggestion by Peter Mayer, a publisher for Avon.[18] According to Schreck, Mayer proposed that LaVey author a Satanic bible to draw from the popularity of 1968 horror film Rosemary's Baby, which had caused a recent rise in public interest in both Satanism and the occult.[25] Schreck states that, aided by Diane Hegarty, LaVey compiled a number of writings he had already been distributing: an introduction to Satanism, a number of short essays, a guide to ritual magic, and articles he had previously published in The Cloven Hoof, a Church of Satan newsletter.[26][18]
Either to meet length requirements set by the publisher[16] or out of agreement with the ideas,[24] LaVey and Hegarty plagiarized writings by other authors. These included a social Darwinist book published in 1890 entitled Might is Right, as well as Dee's Enochian keys from Aleister Crowley's The Equinox, modified to replace references to Christianity with those to Satan.[27] Some accuse LaVey of paraphrasing the Nine Satanic Statements from Rand's Atlas Shrugged without acknowledgement, though others maintain that LaVey simply was drawing inspiration from the novel.[28][29] LaVey later affirmed the connection with Rand's ideas by stating that LaVeyan Satanism was "just Ayn Rand's philosophy, with ceremony and ritual added".
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18 YoungUrbanFailure 2012-12-21
Oh man this is awesome. I hope for your sake you are just writing some good fiction for shits and giggles because if you really believe this you are bat shit insane!
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5 YoungUrbanFailure 2012-12-21
Do you have a link to your youtube channel?
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1 Gnome__Chompsky 2012-12-21
God, this will be great fodder for /r/conspiratard for a while!
-1 TheGhostOfDusty 2012-12-21
Chew on this too if you get bored:
http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/yquwu/you_should_know_the_moderator_gang_behind/
0 Gnome__Chompsky 2012-12-21
God do I love your butthurt. The entire world laughs at you and it hurts so bad you lash out at these people like if only it weren't for them, no one would realize that you're plastic-helmet level retarded.
-4 TheGhostOfDusty 2012-12-21
Yes, let the ableist bigotry flow through you. You are winning the crowd!
2 Gnome__Chompsky 2012-12-21
A Star Wars reference as a witty retort? Totes going a long way to convince me you don't live in your parents basement. Perhaps you'd like to rephrase in the form of a snarky Fight Club quote?
0 TheGhostOfDusty 2012-12-21
Now you've lost me. Well played. If this means what I think it means, you've unintentionally attacked yourself as a "nerd". Bravo.
0 WalrusKaput 2012-12-21
Suck my cock
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Oh shit lil dusty's a SJW too!
2 WalrusKaput 2012-12-21
You retard, it's fucking red wine, not blood. Are you that stupid?
Oh, and I'm sure -everyone- wants to do a polygraph on some regular jackoff on an Internet forum. Your delusions of grandeur proceed you.
14 1337donkey 2012-12-21
Any pics that give credence to your story? (your grandfather's nazi memorabilia, your blood elixirs, etc)
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11 themandotcom 2012-12-21
Just study it out SHEEPLE
12 frostek 2012-12-21
What a load of rubbish.
7 Weedtastic 2012-12-21
Was your mother in a secret society or occult group?
did she have a connection with a local illuminati council?
would love to hear you expanding on hollywood.
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1 Weedtastic 2012-12-21
Very intresting.
I browsed a bit your twitter account and you seem to be legit.
so your mother was not connected at all to these groups other than witchcraft?
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0 Weedtastic 2012-12-21
if you wouldn't use your real name and didn't confirm other sources i would probably be the first to call bullshit.
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1 Weedtastic 2012-12-21
Exactly they are also deceived and don't realize what they are really doing.
0 Weedtastic 2012-12-21
Yes they are.
Different Researcher/Whistleblower like Fritz Springmeier,Bill Schnoebelen,William Cooper,"Svali" (Whistleblower Name) etc are confirming that the "Illuminati" exist and controls the secret societys and goverment.
The original Illuminati was the Bavarian Illuminati founded by Adam Weishaupt.
"Conceal the very fact of our existence from the profane. If they discover us, conceal our real objective by profession of kindness. If our real object is perceived, pretend to disband and relinquish the whole thing, but assume another name and put forward new agents" - Adam Weisshaupt
George Washington even did write how the Bavarian Illuminati has infiltrated Freemansonry & Goverment in the USA
I don't think so.
Its clear that the CIA is more powerful than the President in charge but the CIA isn't the "the root of all evil" where the decisions are made.
I don't say your sources are wrong/lying but most likely don't get the "full story".
-1 CowzGoesMooz 2012-12-21
Sounds like you aren't in their inner circles if you don't know anything about the illuminati...
-1 AllenLibman 2012-12-21
That could be the case. Does that mean that you ARE in their inner circles because you DO "know" about them?
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wat
2 Halaku 2012-12-21
Wat.
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Watt
0 Halaku 2012-12-21
In the butt?
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Too soon
6 SincerelySincere 2012-12-21
Imagine if everyone would follow this.......
I will not ask for proof of any of this. Dunno if I believe it, but if nothing else it was a good read.
4 greenw40 2012-12-21
The first one only works if people are honest, so if you tried that today you would just lose all your money.
3 SincerelySincere 2012-12-21
Ah! Good point. That's the bad thing with anything involving people; you can't get them all going the same way at the same time.
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1 SincerelySincere 2012-12-21
I ain't seeing anything like that in my neck of the woods! It's still pretty crappy here. LOL!
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0 SincerelySincere 2012-12-21
I agree with that. My only question is this: Is there a statute of limitations on that kind of crime in your locality?
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1 SincerelySincere 2012-12-21
Go for it. I hope everything works out and good luck!
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1 SincerelySincere 2012-12-21
You should probably spend some time with friends and loved ones(that aren't involved in the crime committed, of course) or at least find some one to talk to at a mental health facility if things get too rough. If money is a problem, check to see if any offer free crisis counseling or offer a sliding payment scale.
Wishing you all the best.
6 MelchiorTheOne 2012-12-21
As far as I know, none of the prayers are to a king. They're not to M-L-C-H. They are to yod-hay-vav-hay. Or YHVH. He is never just addressed as just king. That immediate fact proves you're just trying to spread disinformation and promote further racism. Also, there is Kabbalah. It could be possible that's what you mean. Kabbalah is Jewish mysticism and is a direct violation of Torah. I assure you, any magic or satanic rituals are that and not accepted by the main group of Jewish believers.
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9 MelchiorTheOne 2012-12-21
Yes but, he is not just "King". There are laws that go against MLCH. I assure you any one that tries to claim they are one and the same is speaking blasphemy.
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1 Yossarian4242 2012-12-21
Melchior and Melech are not even remotely the same thing.
-1 Yossarian4242 2012-12-21
Are you seriously claiming that Jews worship the devil because two words sound vaguely similar?
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3 thewonderfularthur 2012-12-21
Martin Luther King?
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6 ANewMachine615 2012-12-21
So... you don't exist.
And here I thought the Rothschilds were a family?
None of this makes any goddamned sense.
4 goz11 2012-12-21
Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn
The Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn (or, more commonly, the Golden Dawn) was a magical order active in Great Britain during the late 19th and early 20th centuries, which practiced theurgy and spiritual development. It has been one of the largest single influences on 20th-century Western occultism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermetic_Order_of_the_Golden_Dawn
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1 heyguyz 2012-12-21
Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition'
-3 Weedtastic 2012-12-21
how do you know that?
4 [deleted] 2012-12-21
he's actually well versed in these topics, as opposed to the paranoid idiots that this thread is intended to attract.
-1 Weedtastic 2012-12-21
did i say he knows nothing about these topics?
i did myself research in the occult but not on the golden dawn and would like to hear how he did come to this conclusion.
do i have no right to ask him that ?
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-6 AllenLibman 2012-12-21
Any specific book or site that is reliable. I try not to let google be my syllabus.
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4 Graped_in_the_mouth2 2012-12-21
Deep within your crapshoot of insanity, I found a coherent statement whose factual inaccuracy I could demonstrate clearly.
Your lack of understanding of the context of the Old Testament names reveals that you're, to use a technical term, "totally full of shit."
True.
True.
FALSE. Moloch is not "Satan", but an ancient Ammonite God derived from the same root as "Melech" (king). You only associate him with Satan because some time during the 500-100s B.C. Gods other than Yahweh became associated with demons and Satan in Jewish (and later Christian) demonology.
Moloch IS, however, an enemy God, one to whom Mosaic law (the Torah) forbids sacrifice. Jews do NOT pray to "God and Satan", nor do they even pray to "Melech and Moloch". It's JUST Melech, and MLCH (as you transliterate from Hebrew) is understood UNIVERSALLY to be ONLY Melech, not Moloch. Your interpretation is based on taking what's actually known, and throwing in a nice healthy dose of bullshit.
Furthermore, in the Old Testament, "Satan" exists as a job title, not a person ("Ha-Satan", generally translated as "the Opposer" or "the Accuser"). Furthermore, this figure appears in the book of Job, not as a source of evil, but as someone who is SIMPLY DOING HIS JOB by questioning Yahweh. If you had actually studied this subject - something I've done pretty recently, and in depth - you'd know this stuff, instead of pulling shit out of your ass based on misconceptions.
Even in the Gospels, when Jesus says "get out of my way, Satan", he is referring to Peter not as a devil, but as a literal Adversary, or "one who bars the way".
Correct. Which is pronounced "Melech." Which means King. It does NOT refer to the Ammonite God who is derived from the same root word.
There is no devil in the Torah, or any other part of the Old Testament. Ha-Satan is NOT the devil, this is an association that doesn't really appear until early medieval Christianity. Ha-Satan is most certainly an angel, and there is no indication that he's a fallen one, rather than an angel of good standing with Yahweh, just doing the job assigned to him. If you're thinking to yourself "but at the end of the book of Job, God casts Satan down from Heaven", you're thinking of a folktale that has replaced the actual story in peoples' minds. In the ACTUAL Book of Job, there is no evidence of any punishment for Satan...which is consistent with the interpretation of him as a character who is NOT an "enemy of God".
I won't even bother to respond to the rest of your post, because it's just a massive clusterfuck. At least
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Well one thing we can agree on is Cows is definitely satanic.
Otherwise, you're full of shit. There has been no evidence of satanic cults or rituals actually ever existing: http://skepdic.com/satanrit.html
http://www.religioustolerance.org/ra_rep03.htm
Your whole post is all straight from fiction books.
0 SpiritofGreen-light 2012-12-21
Oh, really?
4 robotevil 2012-12-21
Also, you might want to read your own source, the Satanic Bible, is also a work of fiction: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_Bible
1 SpiritofGreen-light 2012-12-21
Many young people would call the books of the Bible and the Torah "fiction" as well and yet many good Jews and Christians live their lives by those writings. Do you think the Torah or the Gospels are also fiction? What's your point exactly?
3 robotevil 2012-12-21
No, the author admits it's fiction dumbmass:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_Bible
So hey look, the Satanic Bible is just Ayn Rand, re-written with ceremonies. Amazing you, particularly you, doesn't find it appealing.
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1 PrimaryPerception 2012-12-21
I read this book a few decades ago, but I don't know what those 3 words might be. Could you tell me what you think they are? Thanks.
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1 SpiritofGreen-light 2012-12-21
Presented without comment.
4 robotevil 2012-12-21
So because I made a typo you're going to plug your ears and ignore everything I just wrote? Everything I just wrote that proves you wrong?
Classic.
-2 SpiritofGreen-light 2012-12-21
I don't think anybody listens to people who are, at best, semi-literate. And you're an admitted Satanist looking to attract children into your cult. http://www.reddit.com/r/satanism/comments/154tep/brothers_the_rite_belial_is_upon_us_in/
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2 robotevil 2012-12-21
CURSES! FOILED AGAIN! BE ONE WITH US GREENLIGHT. ACCEPT HIS DARK GLORY!
2 robotevil 2012-12-21
That's not a satanic cult, that's three crazy guys, a van, and a need to kill prostitutes. This does not prove that Satanic cults sacrificing children or abusing children is something that exists. As I just pointed out moron.
Go ahead, find me evidence greenie.
3 SpiritofGreen-light 2012-12-21
These guys read aloud from the Satanic Bible while they dismembered, raped and desecrated their murder victims but they weren't a Satanic cult because "real Satanists" wouldn't do that?
"Hello, No True Scotsmantm ? I have an amazing new entrant for your contest." LOL
3 robotevil 2012-12-21
No, this is not a No True Scotsman thing, although I find your use the term incredibly ironic. BTW, for the record, we were making fun of you yesterday when we said "well they weren't true Satanists".
The thing is, greenie, is we make fun of you a lot, but your too dumb to understand that we are.
0 Graped_in_the_mouth2 2012-12-21
That's completely different from the statement you made. You wrote a post about Jewish Satanism, and that's just not a thing in the Old Testament whatsoever. These aren't nuances, they're the entire argument.
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I've greatly expanded on the post since you replied. It's more than added nuance, I've demonstrated how your central point about Jews and Satan is completely made-up.
I know more than google. I linked one source since I figured someone would ask, but I actually know a good deal about Old Testament context, including Satan's role in the Bible.
Assuming I believe even the slightest bit of your clusterfuck of a post, don't redirect this onto me. You posted things that you made up or pulled out of your ass, and now you're trying an Argumentum Ad Misericordiam to get people to side with you. I'm not buying it.
I'm someone who doesn't sit idly by while others peddle racist bullshit. That's who I am, and I have no problem living with it.
While we're at it,
This is also false. There were German "Jews" who converted to Christianity and bent over backwards being Pro-Nazi to remove suspicion of them, but very few Jews were actual Nazi party MEMBERS.
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-1 Graped_in_the_mouth2 2012-12-21
No, I'm pretty sure the entire bit about Jewish Satan Worship, Nazi Jews, and large numbers of Jewish sects worshipping Moloch are also made up.
There's no reason to believe any of this. You've provided zero proof, and when anyone doubts you, you play the "I was abused, pity me" card. I don't. I think you're here to push an agenda of anti-semitic hatred, despite your supposed adherence to Luke-style "Love they neighbor" aphorisms. If not for your comment about "all pigs being Jews", I might have even bought it.
3 liquidive 2012-12-21
wait, why is yoga and meditation a bad thing?
0 littlegymm 2012-12-21
it's not. But you can obviously meditate on evil instead of loving consciousness when you're in the poses. It's probably really intense.
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2 heyguyz 2012-12-21
As a native american, we tend to attract people...especially Satan worshippers. We had to call the cops a few times..because we did not want to be associated with these creepos. If I were to put a paranormal twist on this..then watch out...were stronger than all of that voodoo bunk.
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1 Graped_in_the_mouth2 2012-12-21
It's so hard to tell what's "black propaganda", especially when people like you have expressed actual admiration of Hitler.
-4 TheGhostOfDusty 2012-12-21
Here's you guys celebrating it yesterday as the top post. Sad losers.
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3 Graped_in_the_mouth2 2012-12-21
No, you discredit this subreddit yourself by spouting bullshit about Jews. It's not about Israel, it's not about Zionism, and you know it. You even admitted that when you say Jews, you mean JEWS, not "Zionists".
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-2 Wilwheatonfan87 2012-12-21
Don't forget bumblingmumbling and enochX
tttt0tttt, you're cool and all and I see where you're getting at. But sometimes you do go a bit far with the anti-zionism thing.
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4 Graped_in_the_mouth2 2012-12-21
Look, another falsehood!
There are TONS of Christian "Zionists" who support Israel because they believe Jewish control of Israel is necessary for the rapture.
But, ignoring Zionism, this is just incredibly racist, and you've exposed yourself as just spouting anti-semitic garbage under the guise of a plea for sympathy and attention.
By the way, what tipped you off to me being a lying Jewish pig? Was it my knowledge of the Old Testament, which I gleaned through secular study, or the fact that I pointed out how full of shit you are and therefore am worthy of your hatred?
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Who exactly is Satan?
8 Graped_in_the_mouth2 2012-12-21
Satan, or "Ha-Satan" in the Old Testament, means "The Adversary", or "The Accuser". It's a job title, not a name, given to one of the Angels who appears most prominently in the book of Job. There is no indication that this is a fallen angel, no solid reason to associate this unnamed individual with "Lucifer", and no reason to believe it refers to a so-called "devil". Near as can be told, in the book of Job, "Satan" is more or less just doing his job - and contrary to what you may have heard (since I know the version I'd been told before READING the actual book of Job myself), there is no evidence of Yahweh punishing Ha-Satan or casting him out of heaven.
Essentially, AllenLibman is full of shit, has no idea what "Satan" is in Jewish text, and is completely ignorant of the context of the Old Testament.
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Hey, so you're schizophrenic and are experiencing a delusion again. Go take your medicine.
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Risperidone. You just have another gibberish delusion in the sea of gibberish delusions that is the internet. Wake up buddy, your mind is lying to you. You're all whacked out.
1 bumblingmumbling 2012-12-21
I watched one of his videos on YouTube he seems appropriate to me.
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Fair enough. It doesn't answer my question because I was really reaching with my intention. The way I see it, and I don't know much man, is if there people are doing these, well, he's more than likely an entity. That exists.
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Fair enough. It doesn't answer my question because I was really reaching with my intention. The way I see it, and I don't know much, man, is if there people are doing this, well, he's more than likely an entity. That exists.
1 goz11 2012-12-21
Monarch mind control ?
Satanic ritual abuse ?
http://www.fortrefuge.com/Illuminati.html
What do you know about it ?
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0 goz11 2012-12-21
Find out if that hospital was connected with any research. That would be a god starting point.
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1 bumblingmumbling 2012-12-21
Do you know about Irving David Rubin and the Jewish Defense League? Is he related? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irv_Rubin
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1 bumblingmumbling 2012-12-21
Was David Rubin involved in the 1967 Milwaukee riot? http://www.milwaukeesfinest.net/1967Riots.html
0 goz11 2012-12-21
Franz Xaver Schwarz (27 November 1875, Günzburg, Kingdom of Bavaria - 2 December 1947) was a German politician who served as Reichsschatzmeister (National Treasurer) of the Nazi Party during most of the Party's existence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Xaver_Schwarz
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazi_Party_leaders_and_officials
0 littlegymm 2012-12-21
I have a friend, who in 10th grade got in an argument with his mother and she broke down and told him that for 20 years leading up to his birth, she was a witch, belonging to a coven. Once she was pregnant she got out, and divorced the man who impregnated her. All of my friends and I thought it was weird, his mom was always super drugged out on benzos and shit to keep her calm, and his dad, at the time, was like 80 years old. Very strange when none of our parents in middle school were too far over 50. Anyways, this charming, successful intellectual wooed her into carrying a baby, and that baby, my friend, was being born for the coven. She told him the day he was born, there were 20 or so professionals (doctors, lawyers etc) all waiting eagerly to "see the baby," which is when her protective instincts kicked in and she decided to leave. They used to take part in animal sacrifice, ritualistic group sex and other crazy shit, but my friend saw none of it. One day, after he found this all out, we went into his mom's dresser and found a cloak, and a ceremonial dagger from "the good ole days." Had what appeared to possibly be a blood stain on it. Another friend of mine who I told this story to one day was floored because his first girlfriend in high school told him all the same shit, except she endured SRA and was extremely fucked up from it. She also showed him the cloaks and daggers her parents had hidden in their closet, and would say things like "you don't know what they do to me. They're not what they appear to be." Crazy shit.
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0 Wilwheatonfan87 2012-12-21
and the crazy just spills right out.
0 spartyftw 2012-12-21
IM CONVINECED 100 AND TEN %ERCENT!!
0 AllenLibman 2012-12-21
For context, this is me with Reverend Jackson standing up against the bankers (and, in fact, we won): http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=31hgh8lihvA
0 littlegymm 2012-12-21
There are clearly shills in this thread doing damage control. Stop getting all caught up the technicalities of what is satan. Does it matter? If these people are participating in occult rituals, can't we just say it's in the name of evil? They are purposely participating in these rituals to harvest power, a rush, and because they're convinced it works. Can't we just say there is in fact a large group of globalist fucks who participate in this shit? Clearly, if these rituals exist, they may have been dug up, and rediscovered by the Golden Dawn, but in reality these rituals and rites stem from the Ancient Middle East; exactly why we shouldn't get too caught up in a debate over the technical names of deities. These are evil worshipping fucks, and THIS IS NOT EXCLUSIVE TO Judaism. The catholic church is riddled with abuse which we know of from the recent media exposure it's gotten in the last 20 years. But dudes, this shit is pervasive through all the mind-prison religions. The people who inflict religious orthodoxy on the population are the ones doing this. Check out the wikipedia page on Grimoires. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grimoire I thought this stood out. "The ancient Jewish people were also often viewed as being knowledgeable in magic, which according to legend they had learned from Moses, who himself had learned it in Egypt. Indeed, amongst many ancient writers, Moses himself was seen as an Egyptian rather than a Jew, and two manuscripts likely dating to the 4th century, both of which purport to be the legendary eighth Book of Moses (the first five being the initial books in the Biblical Old Testament), present him as a polytheist who explained how to conjure gods and subdue demons.[7] Meanwhile there is definite evidence of grimoires being used by certain, particularly Gnostic sects of early Christianity; in the Book of Enoch found within the Dead Sea Scrolls for instance, there is various information on astrology and the angels. In possible connection with the Book of Enoch, the idea of Enoch and his great-grandson Noah having some involvement with books of magic given to them by angels continued in various forms through to the mediaeval period.[8]"
3 littlegymm 2012-12-21
We should probably stop referring to this rites and rituals as satanism, satanic in nature. It's DEMONOLOGY. Satanism is misleading, it keeps people in their reality tunnel only thinking about the things they already know, and think it has something to do with that Gimmick known as La Vey Satanism, or think it is directly tied to the christian bible, so all the atheists hop on the "i don't believe in that" train. But really, we're talking demonology here, and I think arguing over which deity it is is just the shill-fest.
0 allensamuel 2012-12-21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNc9jLFfo84
-1 goz11 2012-12-21
put infomation from here on tyler http://codenametyler.org/index.php?title=Main_Page
-1 TheGhostOfDusty 2012-12-21
FYI this post has been targeted by some Zionist extremists' bigoted downvote brigade on reddit. Something you said must have been highly upsetting/threatening to them.
I'm now very curious as to the content of the post and especially why moderators have removed it.
0 bumblingmumbling 2012-12-21
Here it is. Read it before the censors delete it. http://www.reddit.com/r/occupywallstreet/comments/1581gq/the_awakening_of_the_golden_dawn_the_whole_truth/
4 TheGhostOfDusty 2012-12-21
Thanks for the link.
And yeah, a good bit of that was pretty offensive and ignorant. The overall reaction isn't that strange.
-2 Yossarian4242 2012-12-21
I refuse to believe that you're being serious.
-3 bumblingmumbling 2012-12-21
That is interesting. I found this about Zeta Beta Tau.
Richard James Horatio Gottheil Richard James Horatio Gottheil was an American Semitic scholar, Zionist, and founding father of Zeta Beta Tau Fraternity. Wikipedia Born: October 13, 1862, Manchester Died: May 22, 1936, New York City Education: Columbia University
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2 bumblingmumbling 2012-12-21
I agreed with you actually. That is further confirmation.
Libman, Gerald birth: parents: Jan 26, 1917 death: burial location: plot: Dec 1973 Wausau Hebrew
http://www.jewishmuseummilwaukee.org/history/statistics/burial/records.php?alpha=L&pageon=6
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In your opinion is there any connection between the elite blood suckers - sandy hook shooting - the rites of saturnalia as an ode to Satan himself?
-5 littlegymm 2012-12-21
This has become a theory of mine as well. The Jewish, talmudic god, to me, appears to be some sort of gnostic demon. He demands worship and unbridled devotion of all kinds. Most Jews probably have no idea what they're actually worshipping, and wind up providing this evil energy with all sorts of prayer for it to feed off of. The same goes for Catholics, except Catholics are even more in the dark. Moden monotheistic mind-prisons are founded in believing in a spiteful, hateful god who likes to inflict his wrath upon us. The Jews' name for it is Yahweh. Is there any etymological similarity between Yahweh and the gnostic demi-urge they referred to as yaldabaoth? Anyway, it clearly seems to me that an ancient strain of Semitic demonology has permeated through the ages and quite very possibly got out of hand around the time of Salem witch trials. Seriously check out some of the paintings by Goya from the turn of the 18-19th century. Witches Sabbath in particular. I think it says a million words about this mystery practice of demonology by so called Religious folk.
1 Weedtastic 2012-12-21
Exactly they are also deceived and don't realize what they are really doing.
1 SpiritofGreen-light 2012-12-21
Many young people would call the books of the Bible and the Torah "fiction" as well and yet many good Jews and Christians live their lives by those writings. Do you think the Torah or the Gospels are also fiction? What's your point exactly?
3 robotevil 2012-12-21
No, the author admits it's fiction dumbmass:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_Bible
So hey look, the Satanic Bible is just Ayn Rand, re-written with ceremonies. Amazing you, particularly you, doesn't find it appealing.
4 robotevil 2012-12-21
So because I made a typo you're going to plug your ears and ignore everything I just wrote? Everything I just wrote that proves you wrong?
Classic.
0 goz11 2012-12-21
Find out if that hospital was connected with any research. That would be a god starting point.