The Magic Rifle
31 2012-12-21 by SovereignMan
Gun Inconsistencies in Sandy Hook School Mass Shooting....
During a newscast on the morning of the shooting it is reported that, according to "federal officials and state officials", an AR15 style rifle has already been found in Lanza's car and four handguns inside the school. Then much later that evening we have a video of officers retrieving a semi-automatic shotgun from the trunk of the car.
So, two long guns were found in the car. Yet the medical examiner confirms that the victims were shot with a "long gun". In this video he doesn't specify but other reports say they were shot with a .223 caliber weapon which is consistent with an AR15.
If a search of the car turned up an AR15 in the morning, why wasn't the shotgun also found at that time?
Why wasn't the shotgun "found" until evening?
Was there yet another AR15 found inside the school along with the four handguns?
If there was only the one AR15 that was found in the car how could it have been used on the victims?
Anyone have new updates of the gun count and where they were found?
41 comments
13 [deleted] 2012-12-21
The rifle we see in this video is clearly not an AR platform. It's most likely a semi automatic shotgun, like a saiga, as you can see by the cartridge that is ejected on the first cycle and then further you can see that the breach is far too large even from a helicopter. also it wasn't a bolt, or a charging handle. They can't make up their minds as to which gun was used, or they aren't telling us. but I don't think it's likely that we will get a solid report any time soon
11 TheWiredWorld 2012-12-21
I don't think we will, ever.
5 SovereignMan 2012-12-21
That's shown in the video I posted and yes, as I pointed out in my text, it's definitely a semi-automatic shotgun.
Edit: My point was that officials stated that an AR15 had been found in the car in the morning and this video takes place in the evening.
1 [deleted] 2012-12-21
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1 SovereignMan 2012-12-21
Possible but I think unlikely.
0 getya 2012-12-21
Couldn't it have been early morning when it is still dark? Hell it's still dark at 7:30am here.
6 SovereignMan 2012-12-21
The first reports of gunfire were at 9:40 am.
1 sumdog 2012-12-21
It could just be sloppy reporting and not bothering to fix the details later.
1 dniced 2012-12-21
It's not a saiga. It's a tube fed 12 gauge semi-auto. Probably a Mossberg 930 SPX with aftermarket thumbhole stock.
10 TheRealHortnon 2012-12-21
So to sum it up: A government-orchestrated massacre that can't even get the pre-made press reports correct.
Sounds genius. Tell me more. It couldn't possibly be chaos of managing a large crime scene.
ಠ_ಠ
7 zeasDJ 2012-12-21
way to contribute to the discussion...if you follow the theories behind 9-11 you can see that the press and witnesses comment on explosions, which never happened according to the official reports.
stating that a rifle is found in the trunk of a car and then reporting that it was used in the school conflicts. no one would take the rifle from the school and just set it down on accident, so where are the reports coming from and why are they incorrect.
3 TheRealHortnon 2012-12-21
OR they made a mistake calling it a rifle initially, and that's as simple as it is.
Of course, you believe eyewitnesses without question so I don't know what I hope to accomplish here.
9 zeasDJ 2012-12-21
police would not call a shotgun a rifle.
and i most certainly don't but i'm showing that inconsistencies in "pre-made" media are abundant if you or anyone is going to take that route
4 Kopirefuto 2012-12-21
They executed the plan perfectly. Mistakes are there on purpose to feed conspiracies and alternative thoughts for no clear conclusion. What they do is feed everyone their preferred piece of cake, so everyone thinks it's something different. It happens often in this type of false flags
1 zeasDJ 2012-12-21
i'm not sure that would be how i would go about it
3 TheRealHortnon 2012-12-21
Ever played the game of telephone? How one phrase becomes something else after like 3 people hearing it?
Crazy, isn't it?
2 zeasDJ 2012-12-21
Yea and as a conspiracy theorist it seems fishy that there may be a conspiracy, plotting involving two or more people, that is below the surface
-2 spiffyP 2012-12-21
Dude, your in /r/conspiracy. Conjecture reigns supreme.
3 klmd 2012-12-21
Don't forget that when conjecture becomes proven fact, the nay sayers disappear.
2 redhot916gear 2012-12-21
truth passes 3 stages , ridiculed, angrily opposed , then as self evident
1 Hammerpantstime 2012-12-21
really?
But even if that was true, the evidence for a 911 conspiracy has no bearing on existence of evidence for sandy hook conspiracy.
1 redhot916gear 2012-12-21
You have no facts to base that assumption on. You have no idea if the people behind that agenda and this agenda have the same end goal.
1 Hammerpantstime 2012-12-21
umm..thats exactly my point. I think we agree with each other
1 zeasDJ 2012-12-21
this is the exact reason i was pointing at. there is evidence (eye witness accounts) that were not recorded in the official 9-11 report from the government. the issue is that evidence found and official reports differ. i'm wondering why
1 Hammerpantstime 2012-12-21
eye witness accounts are not evidence. They're anecdotes. And what anecdotes exactly are you alluding to?
9 smitteh 2012-12-21
How many AR15's did Nancy Lanza own?
5 klmd 2012-12-21
Not enough.
1 redhot916gear 2012-12-21
I really question whether she actually owned any, has anyone confirmed this or denied?
1 smitteh 2012-12-21
Yea I think they traced her gun purchases to a gun store, and then promptly executed a raid on said gun store for some reason.
1 redhot916gear 2012-12-21
can you find a link?
1 smitteh 2012-12-21
http://www.ydr.com/ci_22240297/gun-shop-where-nancy-lanza-bought-rifle-raided
2 redhot916gear 2012-12-21
Hey , thank you for the link
1 smitteh 2012-12-21
Sure thing
-2 wtfdesade 2012-12-21
Easily explained away to many incorrect reports
7 SovereignMan 2012-12-21
Which parts?
0 wtfdesade 2012-12-21
The whole news channels got it wrong
10 TheWiredWorld 2012-12-21
And the coroner - and the cops getting the gun out of the trunk - and the police saying what was indeed found in the school
-2 [deleted] 2012-12-21
The rifle was in the school. Why is it hard to believe there was a mistake either by police or reporters?
They originally said 4 handguns, but there were only 2. What could this be but a mistake? Why would they need to cover up 2 more guns?
4 SovereignMan 2012-12-21
That's backwards. Originally they said two.
5 ILovetoHelp 2012-12-21
I was looking into leftsans yesterday and something about them is very very off. They only get on reddit to come to r/conspiracy and tell everyone they are wrong.
Look at my mini-investigation from yesterday and let me know what you think.
2 SovereignMan 2012-12-21
I have to agree with you. Looks like he/she forgot to switch accounts when talking to him/herself.
3 GodlyUnderdog 2012-12-21
Because this incident was broadcasted worldwide and made into a large event. Not to mention that identifying a weapon isn't difficult when they have the weapon. The inconsistencies aren't in areas that are easily messed up on. A shotgun barrel and an AR barrel are completely differently bored. The police are also trained and familiar with guns enough to the difference of that at least, especially with the amount involved. If you honestly believe that not one of them would have noticed what kind of weapons they physically saw, then you truly must undermine human capabilities.