the really vocal crazies who purport truly exotic and goofy scenarios to the press, whom the press deem as "the conspiracy theorists", and who completely blow the intelligence and questioning behind the original line of questioning...

Yes, thank you for saying this. Along that line of thinking... maybe we can let go of the "all or nothing" mentality that seems to pervade the debates.

For example, just because there are so many fishy things surrounding Sandy Hook doesn't automatically mean that the deaths weren't real or that the people involved were actors. (Personally, I'm not assuming one way or the other, either side has yet to be proven.)

On the other hand, let's assume for a moment that the deaths are all real and the people were not actors... let's entertain this possibility. (Any critically thinking person will not rule out the possibility simply because it doesn't emotionally appeal to them.) Even if this is truly the case, which it may be, it does not automatically mean that the whole thing wasn't set up. Real blood sacrifice is always more effective than fake any day... so ruling out the most seemingly popular theories of fake deaths and actors does not, in any way, disprove that it could be something more nefarious at work.

As it relates to your statement: If the deaths are real and the people aren't actors, claiming otherwise would be the perfect way to discredit all the conspiracy theories. These could just be the straw men while the real issue isn't fake deaths or actors... rather it is some of the other information that points to another heavily coordinated operation (to push whatever agenda).

One supposed fact or another doesn't make the whole debate go away... but it could easily distract from what we probably ought to be paying more attention to.

If I was running a shill campaign, I think it'd be more effective to cause a commotion mostly around red herring issues/untrue theories. It'd be too obvious to target the legit theories exclusively.

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Yeah, preemptively diverting the discussion to easily debunkable speculation.

The message to the populace at large would be "Here is the best the dirty 'truthers' could come up with; aren't they a bunch of disrespectful sillies? Nothing to see here."

Edit: I should add that I currently think the real conspiracy/agenda is probably that we are being Hegelian dialected into this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union

which was pointed out by another redditor in this thread:

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/16rza5/the_hegelian_dialectic_of_the_shootings/

(thanks jakenichols)

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oh, sorry - not that it matters much, I suppose, but I'm not jakenichols - that was the dude who posted the wiki link in the other thread.

The government does whatever it can to discredit people, however the moment people to start to listen to these "nut jobs"; you ever notice they go missing or die in accidents?

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He recent outburst suggests he knows.

Think about the .0001% and their mentality towards the hard working men and women of this country and planet. Does the bird consider the worms feelings before eating it?

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Certain poultry species are cannibalistic.

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Yes, I understood your meaning. I was just commenting that some poultry are cannibals. It may not have contributed to the original discussion, but I find this weird and it came out in a reply. Sorry.

All this "argument" does is making your theories pseudo-bulletproof. People are saying my conspiracy theory is absurd? Oh yeah yet another indicator for how close to reality it must be.

OP is saying that it's a matter of probabilities.

Example: The theory that reptilians control the world is pretty far out and seldom, if ever, do we hear government officials and major media say anything about it so the probability that it's true is low. On the other hand, the theory that 9/11 was a false flag event has been loudly and constantly derided by officialdom and MSM thus making the probability that it is true much more likely.

Or an indicator that you may need mental help.

you may need mental help.

what a nuanced opinion you have on the issue. well convincing.

Thank you Ma'am.

If you continue to research this (as I have done for many, many hours) you will find that this is EXACTLY the case and that many ancient native religions (Not Christianity and all the major religions!) state the fact that there is a greater evil in this world (this is the reason why the Illuminati etc. worship Satan). Every part of this will eventually become a huge, insane picture, but it is nothing less than the Truth. A funny fact of this "evil" is the fact that every American president (except for JFK and Obama), despite the fact that "they" like you to believe that America is a democracy, is related to an ancient bloodline. Obama is not a member of this bloodline, but his grandmother lived in an African village where reports of immaculate conception were made. JFK was assassinated simply because he didn't want to cooperate. To understand this to the full extend I recommend that you/everybody watch videos of David Icke (search YT for "david icke awesome", its the one which lasts about 100 min.) and the movie "They Live!".

They Live? Seriously?

I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass... and I'm all out of bubblegum.

Go get a girlfriend (or boyfriend) and a life.

I don't care if you acknowledge my facts or not... The evidence is there.

The evidence of what? Your psychosis?

They Live was a great movie. "I find Carpenter's depiction of a desperate, violent struggle against contemptuous, deceitful aliens living among us is a remarkably accessible illustration of the motivations behind the otherwise incomprehensible savagery of Islamic fundamentalist terrorist organizations like Al Qaeda. Sure, there was a long, ridiculous wrestling scene with Rowdy Roddy Piper; but the amazing thing about the movie is that Carpenter apparently had a crystal-clear understanding of the rage underlying anti-Western terrorism years before even the first WTC bombing. We cheer for the protagonists, even as we realize that they are becoming brutal terrorists. In the end, we see that the heroes relationship with the dastardly space aliens is nearly identical with the relationship between Islamic militants and ourselves.

The aliens destroy our culture through their dominance of the media, keep our people impoverished through alliances with our corrupt leaders, and are contemptuous of our mores and traditions." - antlers

http://www.reddit.com/user/TurdFurgeson

Don't feed the trolls.

They Live was a great movie. I still have a VHS copy of it.

It is also a part of Jonkos theory. I am still chuckling.

Look for the evidence yourself. You will either see the truth or dismiss it. Everything I say to you is nonsense in your ears anyway because you already dismissed me as insane... And I already gave you the evidence in my first comment in this post, the only difference being that you simply ignored it and started commenting on just a minuscule thing I said. I never said They Live is an actual representation, I merely stated the fact that it is a very good metaphor.

OK Sport.

You catch the most flak when you are directly over the target.

I bet there is also a grim future for the bottom 0.9% of the 1%. Duped worse than the 99% have been.

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Just a thought of mine. A lot of the people "making out" right now are gonna be left in the fuckin' dust.

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Just another way of restating my original comment. The real tippy top tier of rich sociopaths are probably going to throw the less tippy top tier of sociopaths off the ship in the end of this mess.

Or am I way behind the curve and you guys already figured that out?

Fortify your own mind, your own heart. Do your work and concentrate, focus, meditate. Go inside yourself and focus on righting yourself. The world is fucked. There is nothign you can do about it. The world you can figure out and help, however, if the world INSIDE - the internal world. That's the one you really have to work on.

Get that one straightened out, and you don't have to worry about the future. Your future will be bright regardless of 1) what the rest of the external, physical world has to deal with, and/or regardless of 2) whether you yourself quickly die in the process of the tumults of this planet or not.

Yeah, preemptively diverting the discussion to easily debunkable speculation.

The message to the populace at large would be "Here is the best the dirty 'truthers' could come up with; aren't they a bunch of disrespectful sillies? Nothing to see here."

Edit: I should add that I currently think the real conspiracy/agenda is probably that we are being Hegelian dialected into this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union

which was pointed out by another redditor in this thread:

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/16rza5/the_hegelian_dialectic_of_the_shootings/

(thanks jakenichols)