The Right represents "big business". The Left represents "big government". Put them both together and what do you get?
22 2013-01-26 by no1113
A complete and utter totalitarian regime ruled by corporate greed, corporate tyranny, and massive, all-encompassing business - i.e. a country ruled by the state where the state is a corporation.
This is exactly where we're headed, and the two parties really are two poisonous heads on the same evil snake.
Why oh why is it that people can't wake up to this?
The shit is obvious. All you have to do is look at it for a moment and realize now more than ever that the apex of negativity that either party represents is EXACTLY what this country is turning into as we speak. Every moment we really ARE turning into what I just mentioned above: A society where the state is entirely run (as per the Dems) and ruled by corporations (as per the Reps) - fulfilling the negative climax and end game of both parties with what was in all likelihood the plan all along. Split and divide the people into thinking that they are either on one side or the other of the coin, not realizing that what they're fighting for is either THIS side of their ultimate demise, or THAT side of their ultimate slavery and bondage. In the end, regardless of what side you choose, we end up in exactly the same place/shit hole (that was planned all along). We either get total government and state rule over the people and every aspect of our lives (Dems), or we get total corporate and big business rule over the people and every aspect of our live (Reps).
What's the difference?
Neither party is better than the other folks. Neither is "the good guy". They're BOTH evil because they both belong to the same ultimate agenda.
Wake up, my brothers and sisters. Wake up.
27 comments
7 deletecode 2013-01-26
Both parties use the strategy of making the other look completely evil. We see the dem's view on reddit. On the other side, the republicans are doing exactly the same.
Dividing people is an excellent strategy. Conspiracy theorists are painted as nut jobs/racists, libertarians are painted as angsty teenagers. To casual observers this is enough to dismiss their views entirely (at least as I've witnessed on /r/subredditdrama).
I personally just try to not fear giving out my opinions, but also try to be gentle with it. Being contrarian for the sake of it doesn't help.
5 no1113 2013-01-26
This is 100% correct.
This, unfortunately, is correct as well.
As do I.
I'm not quite that good at that part...
Oh certainly agreed.
6 pork2001 2013-01-26
Fascist state = big business + big government.
3 no1113 2013-01-26
Fascist state = big business + big government = what both the Democratic and the Republican agendas push for.
In the end, they both win.
The people loose.
4 bigasswinner 2013-01-26
Ok so after we "wake up", what do you propose we do?
1 no1113 2013-01-26
Very, very good question. Upvote for better visibility.
Ha. I just wrote a long response, and realized that I was responding incorrectly, as I was proposing some things we could do AFTER we oust the corrupt government that we have. I got ahead of myself, however, because you didn't ask what we do after we oust the corrupt government. You ask what we do after we wake up. So what do we do after we wake up?
We oust the corrupt government.
By the way, when you say "we", I'm assuming you mean the American people...as in the WHOLE of the American people. If that's what you mean, then don't think that ousting the corrupt government would actually be all that difficult, because if WE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE were to ALL stand up and march forward, TPTB would have no chance. None at all.
1 bigasswinner 2013-01-26
I think most people can agree that neither government nor big business really play fair. But what can we do? Without leadership and direction and action, all this opposition is nothing more than a bunch of hot air. I wish someone would step up and make an organized effort and actually DO something about it.
1 no1113 2013-01-26
That is why the leadership and direction and action needs to take place INDIVIDUALLY from WITHIN. There is no hot air whatsoever if each individual were to stand up and be ready and willing to do something other than what the MSM indoctrinates us to do.
This is the reason that another pertinent thing to do is to engender a better state of education and culture in the population. It is no surprise or accident that the great increase in violent crimes and the general degradation of this society is coinciding with a decreasing in the countries education.
Leadership and direction and action are indeed important. Those qualities exist in each of us, however, but they are completely and fully undermined when we wholly give that power over to any one person that "everyone" follows.
I wish that would happen as well, and I further wish that what is advocated and taught via this organized effort would be autonomy and individual effort, ability, and fortitude.
1 bigasswinner 2013-01-26
You make a valid point, but I think individually, nothing significant can really be accomplished. Example: if the company I work for decides to freeze my wages, cut my benefits, and make me take a mandatory unpaid furlow, what can I DO about it except quit, or bitch?
1 no1113 2013-01-26
No, no, no. You misunderstand. I agree with you fully 100%. I'm not saying that it is "individually" that we can make the kinds of significant accomplishment spoken about here. It is a collective effort. Not an individual one.
What I'm saying, however, is that the only way that the collective will be fortified is if EACH AND EVERY individual has the ability to AUTONOMOUSLY function as a leader in and of themselves independent from the blind following of any one person or figurehead.
It certainly seems paradoxical, but it is not a notion that is contradictory in the least.
Given the current societal paradigm we live in, it does indeed seem that it would be difficult for you to do all that much about it. However, EVEN within the context of this civilization, you could make an effort to exert yourself under such circumstances and be a "one man army" against your employers actions, for example. It's happened before and with much success. There is a lot you could do legally, etc if you so chose. Again, however, this society is indeed structured in such a manner that such action on your part would NOT by any means be either condoned or very supported, but this isn't because things simply "have" to be this way or this is just the way thing "are". Not at all.
Ultimately, I am not advocating or advising against communal cooperation. Not in the least. I feel this is a necessary aspect of a functioning society. However, I AM advocating for a greater level of self actualization on the part of every individual - one that this society does NOT at all seem to engender as much as some might think.
That is all.
3 RAG_NA_ROK 2013-01-26
BIG FASCISM
2 no1113 2013-01-26
Yes, sir/ma'am.
3 [deleted] 2013-01-26
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2 no1113 2013-01-26
Yep. That's it.
2 jakenichols 2013-01-26
it's called Agenda 21. Total control over every aspect of your life, population control, and mind control all rolled into one nice package run by the corporate elite and their technocratic minions. People jump down my ass about pushing this, but this is EXACTLY what Agenda 21 is. Brave New World meets 1984 run by Rothschild/Rockefeller/banker/etc types, worldwide! They are setting up these so called "sustainable cities" which are actually exact copies of Communist era cities where everyone is packed in to as small of a space as possible, no one drives, everyone works, no wealth, no prosperity, only poverty, only the "productive" are worthy of life. Everyone else "to the camps!"
1 no1113 2013-01-26
Yeesh...So dire, things are. I wish I could argue against really anything you've said, but things do indeed seem more bad than good.
1 jakenichols 2013-01-26
Dude exactly. I'm not some nut, I know we argued earlier about this, but when I read this post, this is exactly what I was getting at. They are using the systems: educational, political and informational to push the narrative to bring about a new type of feudalism. Aldous Huxley even said the most solid authoritarianism is a scientific authoritarianism. Every aspect of life will be regulated.
1 no1113 2013-01-26
I don't even remember. Most user names are just a blur to me, and since it seems I argue with just about everyone, I don't think it would matter if I actually did remember.
I don't know what the argument was about earlier (and don't remind me), but this assessment right here seems about very right to me - something which I myself would say, and have said in so many words.
I wonder what exactly he meant by that.
Depending on who does the regulating and what that regulating entails, this could be a very good or a very bad thing.
Given the state of the world and TPTB, I imagine it would be a very BAD thing, however.
1 jakenichols 2013-01-26
Have you looked into the Reece Committee? How in the 50s they found out that the Rockefeller, Carnegie, and Ford Foundations(among others) were funding the media, universities, and politicians to fundamentally change the American system to bring about a synthesis of the Soviet and American cultures in a world government, they facilitated at the very least WW1 to bring in a world government. The Reece Committee just briefly exposed this(the media at the time attacked them for attempting to expose it) but never stopped it, meaning that the machine is probably still furthering the goals. It is the most damning evidence of a very open, very large conspiracy to bring about authoritarian style world government under scientific technocrats.
1 no1113 2013-01-26
This information is but another of various confirmations I've had that this world is owned and controlled by nefarious forces.
Seems to go very much hand in hand with the information found in what's called "The Hidden Hand Interview".
1 jakenichols 2013-01-26
Oh for sure. Dude subscribe over at my sub /r/UNAgenda21 this is all we cover, we don't fuck with this whole sandy hook/ r/politics run-off/UFO BS that /r/conspiracy seems obsessed with. We concentrate on the slow creeping regulation and the big money foundations/NGOs that are facilitating this worldwide OPEN conspiracy. Just like HG Wells said it is an "open conspiracy", he was a card carrying Fabian Socialist, which is where this plan partially originates.
1 no1113 2013-01-26
Subcribed. Thanks.
1 jakenichols 2013-01-26
We get a lot of "Greenie" trolls on there that think we are big oil shills that downvote ALL of the posts, so check the new queue when you go on there some of what gets posted get jammed to the bottom within 15 minutes of posting.
1 evenmoretiredoflibs 2013-01-26
They both represent big business - what planet do you live on?
1 no1113 2013-01-26
The planet where most apparently don't know this very fact; the planet where most still vote one way or the other; the planet where everyone is up in arms defending one aspect of the big business paradigm or the other; the planet where the majority is ignorant of the larger paradigm within which both sides exist.
What planet do you live on?
0 evenmoretiredoflibs 2013-01-26
the one where you just contradicted yourself but ok whatever
business and government aren't the same thing but can be used together
I can see why it's easy for you to get confused as you seem to reject complexity
1 no1113 2013-01-26
It's obvious you're only looking for something to argue with. People like you really are very, very tired, and your inability to see there has been no contradiction is ultimately an embarrassing testament to your lack of understanding and ability. No one elses.
Regardless of the extent to which the two industries are so incestuously conjoined in this country as to actually be practically the same thing, you have missed the greater point, and have chosen to confuse yourself in arguing about minutia. This is, unfortunately, typical of people like you.
Your last statement is truly funny, and it illustrates a level of hubris on your part that you might be the ONLY one here blind to.
0 evenmoretiredoflibs 2013-01-26
Blind to what? That you guys think that government is an inherently bad institution. That's as moronic as thinking business is inherently bad.
To reject government as a whole is a pretty popular opinion in this subreddit, though there is a tinge of irony in that many quote the constitution when doing so.
Yes, when the will of the people can be overpowered and corrupted by separate institutions - it's a problem. I don't chose to use the same words as you do, because I don't agree with your blanket statements. They are trite and childish.
1 no1113 2013-01-26
Yeesh...So dire, things are. I wish I could argue against really anything you've said, but things do indeed seem more bad than good.