Recently I was introduced to the theory of Ascension, that our souls return to this dimension/vibration through reincarnation until we have mastered the lessons our souls require to increase their vibrational energy to the next dimension, Earth currently being in the 3rd vibrational dimension, the "afterlife" being the 4th vibrational dimension. From what I understand there are thirteen vibrational levels that we are striving to climb. That our "souls" are in a constant state of moving towards perfection through the lives we live and the lessons we learn through Karmic balance over a multitude of life times.

What are your opinions on the theory of Ascension? Does your religious system/belief work in a similar manner? What does your religion teach as the purpose of life?

Where is the "Law of One" incorrect? Or what would you change to the Law of One to make it accurate?

From what I understand from reading the Law of One, everything in existence exists in the NOW, all at the same time because it is all the same Source, the same energy, the exact same being existing as all things at the same time. Is that a proper understanding of existence as you have been taught?

Do you believe Jesus the man existed?

So much for taking this seriously, thanks for answering.

So then your beliefs are based on the 3 Abrahamic religions since you recognize Jesus as a man. These are fairly new beliefs in human history. Here is what they are based on. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtExkh6ZiNU

In what way do you mean this? He was badass how? Do you mean that he was badass in the way that the rest of the world believes he was badass? i.e. being able to turn rocks to bread, heal the sick, rise up from the dead, etc, etc...or do mean this in some other way?

In the knowledge he had, etc?

He surrounded himself with thugs and whores.

That he did. Jesus was a motherfucking OG apparently.

Not to mention he had one hell of a temper, especially as a child.

Okay. I'm certainly no biblical scholar, but I'm not familiar with his temper as a child at all. Is this information something you that gathered from the personal teachings of your family, or is it something that is available for anyone to read?

The following are excerpts from a book rejected from the Bible called The Infancy Gospel

...Oh shit... 0_o

2 And when Jesus saw what was done, he was wroth and said unto him: O evil, ungodly, and foolish one, what hurt did the pools and the waters do thee? behold, now also thou shalt be withered like a tree, and shalt not bear leaves, neither root, nor fruit. 3 And straightway that lad withered up wholly, but Jesus departed and went unto Joseph's house.

Kinda brutal?

Damn. Jesus was a gansta ass muh'fucka.

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Damn. TIL that Jesus was a straight up asshole as a kid.

So like I said, bit of a different view

Pretty cool. I'm all about different views and perspectives. Thanks for that.

The problem I have with this post is this.. (and it is entertaining to see people dance with OP) ... No proof. No new knowledge. General statements that can be found on any conspiracy site. No real substance other than, on an internet site, the OP saying "TRUST ME!". unverifiable, uncorroborated, no proof offered. Can you see where this seems like a troll, OP?

original thread

http://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/178n9t/have_you_ever_encountered_an_entity_such_as_a/

This is the title of the book this person claims to have in possession "Magnus Liber Veritas". One copy was for a short time in possession of hitler and one copy is in vatican library.

what's the point its not real anyhow

I am 100% sure that you believe it is real as do others that believe in god, look I have seen the devil and had conversations but understand this, your brain can conjure things, hallucinations. Been there done that and it is indeed bullshit.

How can I get ahold of your book/writings?

Is there a possibility that this book is copied online? or do you even know the name of it?

Thank you very much :) One more thing... You said with those rituals your famili do you get everything you want in life.

How does those great things come to you? I mean it's happening of the higher power which brings them to your house for example or they magicaly show up.. or specific opportunities are directed your way? how does this happen?

But if everyone worshiped Satan then wouldn't your physical prowess, beauty and greater intellect just be the norm? Then what would he have to give you? Is this why your religions are secret?

Magnus Liber Veritas

The Great Book of Truth

Nothing worth having is easy or free. There are reasons that a 16 year old is not supposed to get handed a zx-14 or a lamborghini. The only Devil that Hitler got ahold of that bit him was Central Banks/the Illuminati. He renigged on payment in the mid-30's and that is how his country rose to power. You buying power, be out of debt. Debt=Devil=enslavement and that is real not some Idol that you pray to that you never see/hear that is unless you fancy some strong drugs.

Atleast I can point to evidence of what I know, good luck with that pointing out your imagination

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I see you have a comprehension issue, I was high!!!! The brain is capable of if "seeing" anything the imagination can conjur. When ever you learn more about science you will find the facts of a given situation and understand the reasons for the way things are. I was a child, I am long since grown to reason and understand. Oh really do tell us all of your experience , then please allow me to retort

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"Take your atheism elsewhere"

:) Step off because I will be where ever I please. I will side with being an agnostic because of simple lack of evidence for either side, its a pointless argument because it takes mankinds eye off the ball of what is actually happening and why we are so screwed.

Why would any all-powerful entity need to be worshipped by far lesser creatures? That seems immature and even juvenile. I do not demand that fleas worship me. And I believe that one part of a truly moral being is that it gives freely to others within reason, demands nothing back, and simply wishes to build up the common good. And does not harm others without moral need to, such as self-defense against evil.

it seems to me Satanic philosophy embraces taking a shortcut to get ahead, but Godly philosophy includes the value of learning and making moral choices and making the hard choices in order to evolve.

Hey man, (I'm assuming you're male based on one of your responses to cartoonhead when talking about sex, forgive me if I misspoke) I've read the entire post top to bottom and found it to be very interesting. Whether or not it is the whole truth, I cannot say; but, it has certainly opened my mind to some new ideas and reinforced some preconceived ideas as well. And that deserves a "Thank You" regardless.

Longtime reddit lurker, have no account, making a throwaway to PM you. Hoping for a response, but I've read that you've got a shit-ton of PM's. If you've got some time I'd love to chat.

I'm not going to pass any serious judgement on your words, good or evil. It is never helpful to shoot the messenger, as has been done throughout this thread by a gaggle of superfcially religious zealots. But I suppose it is their prerogative - to each their own.

So, after reading through I have some additional questions that I'd like to throw your way and would appreciate any answers that you may be able to give without violation of your oaths. But, first I'd like to eludicate some of my views so that our conversation may go smoothly, in the hopes that you may better understand where I'm coming from with these questions.

I grew up in a Roman Catholic household, coming from a long line of catholic parents and grandparents (with the exception of one grandfather who saw the whole game of religion as a farce - focused on a [generally] uneducated people). Early as a child I was able to pick out the valid moral teachings provided by the church and the Bible hidden behind years of tradition and dogma.

Later, I began to study history, and especially that of the RCC, as it has been a primary mover and shaker in terms of geo-politics since about the time of the council of Nicea - where the Roman political structure took control of Christianity for it's own benefit. I've come to learn that history is written by the victors and that there are often many sides to the same story. I would assume that the Vatican has altered much of the narrative of human history - to reinfoce it's own hegemony.

You have made several mentions of the Vatican's power - and believe me I do not doubt you. You also made mention of both Nazi Germany and the USA being the puppets of the RCC controled Vatican. I know this to be true due to the concordats signed with the vatican by both the Nazis (1930s) and then later the USA after WWII concluded and we gave safe harbor to many former Nazis (Operation Paperclip).

I also know that the Nazis were quite keen on archaeological expeditions and the study of certain Eastern/Asiatic religions. I was wondering if you knew and could offer some insight into what they (the Nazis) were looking for / what they were able to find. I do know that they were searching Mt. Ararat for the Ark among other things - but, this is what I was referring to above by information omitted from the official narrative. Just wondering if you had any more information or clues to hunt down in those regards.

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I've also been able to glean from reading this thread that there are at least two types of humanity upon this planet, coming from at least two different ideolgical schools - those from the Abrahamic God/Creator and then in opposition the Diety/Creator which you identify with - and call 'Satan' (or at least in this post, for convenience, so that all the Abrahamic peoples can identify whom you speak of). I envision the struggle between the two as Yin/Yang - Light/Dark - Night/Day - Left/Right. While adversarial, they truly rely on ecahother, and perform a sort of endless cosmic dance.

You also made mention of the possibility that there may be many people in the world who were created 'Satan' or as you call him The Benevolent One. The first thing that sprung to my mind was that for the most part, followers of Abrahamic religions tend to fit within the paradigm certain racial profiles: i.e. Jews, Muslims, and early Christians were all endemic to a certain geographical region. Christianity spread like wildfire through Europe due to Christianity's ties to the former Roman Empire - which later became the Holy Roman Empire, that today comprises much of the landmass of the EU. Could you offer some insight into the possibility that creations of The Benevolent One may have some statistically significant racial traits that may identify them among the backdrop of Abrahamic peoples?

As a follow up to that question, how should we consider say the Japanese? I think we can both agree that as a subset of the world human population they likely had little to do with events in ancient Canaan or old Akkad. By no means am I trying to belittle the Japanese by using them as an example - just trying to open up dialogue. Also, I've noticed that the religions of the Eastern hemisphere (I have Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, and others in mind) are quite different from those which we know here in the west. To me, these religions don't help either side "win" instead Insight would be appreciated.

You had mentioned Atlantis as the home of the creations made by The Benevolent One which was destroyed by the wrath of the Abrahamic God. Unless I'm vastly off course, I believe Atlantis to have been in the Atlantic Ocean - quite possibly the reason for naming that ocean, and other places such as Atlanta - which is much closer to the Atlantic than any other bodies of water. So again - my mind comes back to the Eastern hemisphere. What of the opposite side of the world, what about Oceania? How do these peoples play a part in the grand scheme of things?

I'd also like to add that I find merit in both of the creator god's aspirations. I find merit in the instructions of the Abrahamic God- that one should work hard for success and then feel the reward of a job well done. But, on the other hand, I truly also believe aspects of The Benevolent One's philosophy - that man should be given the tools to be able to succeed - because then he can use his/her effort to exceed some limiting boundaries. I guess I can't come to grips why we can't both have our cake and eat it too. I wonder if there were a way for us "children" to bridge the gap created by these creator gods.

I've seen your layman's explanation of your six commandments and can't find any serious objections that fly in the face of my catholic upbringing. Granted, I'm no devout member - way too much bullshit, too little real spirituality. The thing is most Catholics are so thick-headed that there's no talking to them. But - keep in mind that there is a rigorous system that instructs them to behave in such a way.

I guess I'll wrap it up here for now - I've scores more questions but will wait for a first response before throwing more questions at you

Hey, thanks for the response. I didn't realize that I had written a small novel until I got around to re-reading it after my initial post. Thanks for trudging through it.

Hitler's belief in an all powerful, superior race did stem from our teachings, but whether or not it was "Aryan" is up for debate.

I can buy that. I've also spent a lot of time studying that point in history. Something about the Nazis just absolutely fascinates me. That was why I brought up Eastern religions, as Hitler got his ideas of an Aryan master race from the older texts found throughout India and other parts of the Middle East, such as Iraq and Iran - areas in close proximity to the Tower of Babel.

Never (at least in modern history) has a group of people unified and mobilized in such a way. I think that the Nazi example really exemplifies the power of human determinism. If one sets their mind to accomplish something, and sets out guns blazing - as Gandhi said, "be the change you want to see..." it will happen. Does that make Hitler right? maybe yes, maybe no - who am I to judge - happened before my time. Is this along the lines of what you were mentioning about Hitler getting his hands on your teachings and doing his own thing with it?

I've read in this post that there are people throughout the world created by "Satan" and do not know they are. I've got a few questions. Maybe you've got a few answers.

• If you could make a guess, about what percentage of the population has come from "Satan's" lineage?

• If these people who were originally of "Satan's" creation and lineage exist and are not cognizant of this fact how will they be viewed/judged. From what I gather, "Satan" is trying to prove a point to "God" using his people and likewise "God" is trying to prove a point to "Satan" using his own people.

  My only goal in life is to help my Creator prove his point. I know this doesn't pertain to you personally, because you are aware; but, what becomes of one of "Satan's" progeny who unknowingly goes through this life?

  • Or better yet, what if one of "Satan's" bloodline is raised under the belief system of "God". You've hinted towards a few bloodlines known to you to be of service to "Satan" so they're all set - nothing to worry about. So lets say hypothetically during the dark ages some extended family of your bloodline was forced/duped/adopted Christianity somewhere along the way. (I'm not talking about putting up the charade of being Christian like many of the financial or political "elite" of today - but actually converted.) Many generations down the line these extended family of yours would surely still be of your bloodline, fragmented and diluted perhaps, but not of your creed. Eventually they will have become dislocated from their creator - but may not necessarily believe in the "God" that their family had indoctrinated them to believe in either. Understand where I'm trying to go with this? How would these people be seen by either people like yourself or by your creator?

Still have a few more questions, but I suspect answers to these questions may help me format them better. But one last one just for shits:

"Atlantis" was not located in the Atlantic Ocean. It was nowhere near where any one believes it to have been. Does this then imply that you, your family, or others in the bloodlines know more about the location and have not been letting on?

all for now. thanks.

Hitler badly misused our teachings to justify his own selfish agenda After hearing your brief insights into Hitler and the Nazis I think it answers some of my existential questions about that time. After reading through the post and knowing what I know about the Nazis I think we see things through roughly the same lens. As I mentioned before, something about Hitler has always been extremely fascinating to me. He isn't the first man in history to hijack a religion and use it for his own selfish gains - won't be the last either.

Would it be safe to assume that the vast majority of the world's so-called "elite" are of your blood and creed? If so, that would be a very small portion of the world's total population and not comprise the entirety of your estimate of

if I had to guess I would say between 15-20%. [of world pop.]

So that would likely mean there's half a billion or more and have little to no idea. - Interesting

Is there any way for an individual to determine whether they come from "God" or "Satan"?

Or is it all about identification - i.e. if one identifies him/her self to a particular creator.

You seem to be a quite level-headed individual, and not too quick to pass judgement. I'm sure that we can both agree that there are some valid fragments in Abrahamic texts, be it Jewish, Christian, or Islamic. I haven't had the luxury of some of the texts you're privy to but I'd also imagine that there's some equally good text there as well. I cannot speak for your religion, but many of the religious texts of the Abrahamic traditions have been corrupted or outright ignored through time.

I see the degradation of traditional Abrahamic religions (especially since the time of Darwin and later Nietzsche) and wonder if this has been part of a plan? Or just the natural evolutionary result of a number of historical charlatans and miscreants.

Personally - I don't know what the hell to believe. I was raised RCC - but even a fool should be able to spot all their bullshit. Could I be created by "God" sure, I'd believe it. Could I have been created by "Satan" sure, I'd believe that too. I guess in that vein I'm a little bit agnostic. As I've been reading through the thread I can rationally and logically understand many of the arguments underpinning your stance.

As far as my part in the great cosmic pissing match between "God" and "Satan" I do not know whose side I'm trying to prove right. As you have laid things out, I can see and empathize both sides of the argument. Let's just Rodney King this bitch and "Can't we all just get along"

Oh, I'm fully aware of the Vatican's control. Many in this subreddit never confront this issue. They were the innovators of the secret police system that is in place throughout the world today. Even Hitler was working through the Vatican, or at the very least had their explicit approval. And it was also the Vatican that facilitated immigration into America many ex-Nazis.

But for every action there is an equal but opposite reaction - So correct me if i'm wrong but I would imagine that your bloodlines would create some sort of counter-measure or at least some sort of opposition to the Vatican.

It appears to me that the financial systems of the world have gone rogue over the past few years. I generally see these financial systems no longer acting in the best interest of many countries - countries that would normally be acting in the best interests of Rome. It seems these financial institutions are only acting in their own self interest...which sounds kinda something like using the tools given to you to the best of your ability to prove a point... Correct me if I'm mistaken.

I saw the guy who posted his pics, and then his pics on acid - if that's the one you were referencing...he looked Abrahamic to me. Seen plenty of uglier people out there but plenty that were more attractive too.

Seriously, are looks just about the only indicator? And what determines "world class" incredible talents? Scientific genius? - many of them aren't the best looking. Politicians? Artists/Musicians? CEOs for multinationals? Do "Satan's" people gravitate towards certain fields?

Not trying to bust your balls, just trying to get a couple questions out there.

They have hunted us like dogs though since the days of Constantine.

I can believe it. It must suck to be in a minority group and persecuted by one of the most powerful organizations in the world. Would you say that this is a source of fear for you or others like you, or are "Satan's" children somehow immune to fear? Just wondering if there are more than biological and ideological differences between the two "races" if you will. If there's a better word to describe it let me know what you prefer.

I know what you mean about my reference to scientists. While some may be highly skilled in one narrow bandwidth they are generally as close minded on other topics as most Catholics.

Pardon me if this is either rude or outright wrong, but I got a pretty thorough answer to all parts of that last question with the exception of touching on the financial institutions.

many of them are CEO's and the like

could this possibly be admission of truth by omission? If so, could we try to walk down that path with some questions?

Fair enough. In regards to the Vatican would it be safe to say "keep your friends close and your enemies closer"

Ok. To a segment of the aware population, multiple tipping points have been crossed - some financial, some political, some ecological, some moral.

Before I start, I think we both know how extremely fragile this thing we call "society" or "civilization" is. If only a few cogs in the machine were to malfunction things would turn sour in a hurry. Keeping that in mind...

I would assume that the best way to take the situation into your hands (not you personally, but the plural) would be to take control of the economic sector, as it is the lynch-pin that underpins all of the other points alluded to above. Just look at what's happened over the past century, literally everything has been monetized, commoditized, and bought up for pennies on the dollar to those able to afford it. I understand there's been private property in the past, but not like this. I'm sure you know what I mean.

If a few people, given all the tools needed for success, were to take control of only a few small important positions, say a few CEOs here, regulatory agents there, a couple politicians, maybe a handful of likeable media figures to convey your messages to the masses, hell - even some influential think tanks and non-governmental organizations, and the slow steady acquisition of assets would provide some incredible leverage on those cogs of the machine.

Could the move off the gold standard, IMF loans to third world countries, the complete deregulation of wallstreet, the explosion of algorithmic high frequency trading, the series of bubbles, flash-crashes, Libor manipulation, and non prosecution of other money-laundering firms be leading up to something that sweeps the entire world over faster than it knows how to handle such an event?

Would such chaos and turmoil perhaps lead to the appearance of "Satan's" counter punch to Jesus?

this can not does not describe 15-20% of the population tho.

So are you claiming that Satan can GIVE physical beauty as a gift to those who practice the ritual?

If I am handsome genius but I choose not to pursue succes, am I failing Satan?

I still have a hard time understanding how 1 in 5 persons can be "world class" talented, more so than the HS(high school?) captain. Did you go to a high school with only 3 people, or perhaps one with no mathematics class? Haha I kid, but that seems like saying 20% of all trees, are the tallest tree in the entire forest. Your cryptic reply is even more confusing, unless you are suggesting that most of the satanic population is either very old or very young. Perhaps you should clarify this point.

I have a few Questions:

Do you have Proof?

What Rituals are you doing?

Do you believe in the Afterlife and what would it look like?

Your thoughts on Aleister Crowdly?

Do you know Members who are Freemanson or did join other Secret Societies?

Do you know about Bohemian Grove?

Certification or Picture of your Ritual Clothes with Timestamp ?

Other Questions:

Do you have a Rank System? If yes how many degrees?

Do you study Occultism ?

Is Satanism as a Religion rising or declining?

Why did you choose Satanism as Religion and how did react your Family,Friends?

What is a general Misconseption about Satanism?

Thanks for the IAMA.

Intresting.

How big is the variety of belief/practices in the different Satanic Organizations and would you say that all agree on the same core in Satanism?

Do Satanist come usual from every background or more the "Upper Class"?

Why do you think that Satanism as Religion is not in the Public Eye?

Ever heard of the "The Law of One"?

What is your Opinion on Satanist who perfom sacrafices or other extreme rituals?

Picture of your Ritual Clothes with Timestamp ?

Possible?

Are these Six Families having "big names" or leading more private Lives?

Are there "closet satanist" in the vatican?

Do from your knowledge all religions "play" a part in the "Law of One"?

Do you think that Extraterrestrial Beings or "Demons" exist?

You said "extreme practics" would be not the true intention of satanism doesen't this conflict with this answer on how to join?

"Through a pretty vigorous test of human will and sacrifice. I did not have to do it because I was born into it, but I've witnessed it and it does not look like much fun at all."

You have the unfathomably powerful part right, but anyone who has accepted Jesus Christ is welcome into my Lord's presence at any time he or she wishes.

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What is your oath?

Does your religion involve doing things to other people that you would not want done to yourself?

Why does a religion need secrets? If it preaches truth what is there to hide?

I would argue if everyone was on equal ground spiritually / mentally it never would have happened at all

Good point. This is almost the gun argument but on a spiritual level/field. Those that have guns (or spiritual secrets) want to keep them from everyone else, saying in part that it would be "too dangerous if everyone had them." The truth of the matter is that if everyone had them, then EVERYONE would be more safe because everyone would be on a much more even playing field and everyone would have the ability to defend themselves against those wishing to misuse and mishandle those guns/spiritual secrets.

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Yes the secret argument here is simply so that they don't become widely ridiculed. Same reason as Scientology and Masons.

I'm not sure it's that simple. I think it's not so much so they won't be ridiculed. If they truly have that level of power (and some groups certainly seem to), then I think that ridicule is like the least of their concerns. I think they simply don't want others to have that power. I think that there is indeed an initial point in saying that universally releasing the knowledge to everyone would indeed create at least an INITIAL "free for all" power grab and there would possibly be a LOT of chaos and turmoil as people and groups would be trying to "take over the world" with all this new power and knowledge and information they just got a hold of. I do think that things would eventually even/smooth out, however, and the population would learn to exist under this knew paradigm where EVERYONE had a lot more power and understanding and awareness. It would just take a moment for the population to settle into the understanding that now EVERYONE is a much more powerful, much more capable, much more knowledgeable being.

I would personally say that those with the knowledge just aren't in the mood for having to deal with the "global growing pain" aspect that would inevitably happen if EVERYONE had the knowledge.

That and they simply don't want to give up the power. They're (quite possibly) just as greedy and fickle and scared as the next puny human - albeit on possibly a "greater", more complicated level.

How can you say objectively that those are/were the wrong hands?

HA!

Since you mention your rituals use Akkadian language - did your religion originate in ancient Sumeria?

Also, wouldn't the concept of unity - ie we are all one being - kind of contradict your beliefs? Your religion seems super dualistic- doesn't this work against perceiving the universe as a whole?

Finally, in your views, are God and Satan kind of biological/racial oversouls, similar to how individual cells make up a single being?

Thanks again for your time and replies.

We don't subscribe to that concept

Would you say that this is one of the primary differences between the 2 forms of humanity - that your group views reality through a dualistic lens, while the other group tends towards a unity-based view? And would you say your group more or less founded the dualistic view?

Very, very good observations and questions on your part, if I may say so. Very astute. They are thoughts that I myself had on a certain level, and I'm glad you brought them up/asked them here.

Fascinated as I am by OPs post and responses, I absolutely would say that an inability to see and understand the inherent unity of everything is a significant failing in his philosophy and perspective.

Thanks man! :)

Having now caught up on the thread myself, I think the answer to question 1 will be "no, we originated in Atlantis" (right, OP?)... but I'm still curious about the Akkadian/Sumerian connection...

I have my theories for the other questions too, but I'm hoping the OP gets around to answering them him/herself...

Edit: I now see he/she did answer these questions...oops

What happens when you die?

Why, because you don't know?

Nobody knows what happens when they die...

You seem to think you have an answer just like all those who "believe" in heaven. I figured you'd say some shit like you'd rule over the world next to Satan riding centaurs around or some shit.

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How do you believe this? Faith?

So said Jim Jones.

Wouldn't the only way to know for sure be by actually dying?

How about dying and being reincarnated but maintaining your previous consciousness in a new body?

how is that different from what I said. I said 'dying' and you said 'how about 'dying' and then...

LOL

You go to Heaven or Hell.

Is that where you were before you were born?

Couldn't tell ya

Then how can you be so matter of fact that you go to heaven or hell? Why do humans insist that there is HAS to be something more for them. Why can't you accept that when you die, your time is over?

Because the belief that we just cease to exist has no scientific evidence. Neither does an after life. Let me explain why I believe. We can't back up EITHER side with scientific evidence, and since that is the case, I choose to believe in the option that sounds better, since you can't prove either, why not believe the better one?

If there were two doors you had to go through, and the first one supposedly had a lion on the other side (with no actual evidence, you were just told this), and the 2nd door supposedly had a million dollars on the other side (with no actual evidence, you were just told this), would you not choose the door with the million dollars, so at the very least just in case there WAS a lion in the other door, you wouldn't have to meet it?

Don't you ever step back and ask yourself why you have to go through either door and WHY is there a lion or a million dollars? Doesn't that seem a bit unlikely? Doesn't it seem that it may be a great source of fear based control to you?

I am simply illustrating the debate between "Is there a God or not", that is all. Neither side can dis prove or prove their side, so I illustrated what it is like. I hope you can see that's all I was trying to do.

If Pascal's Wager is your reason for believing in God then there's probably a special place in Hell for you.

You mentioned Pascal's Wager not me :) Definitely not why I believe in God, but whatever you say bro :)

Sorry. It's not all about you.

Nope it's not :)

Aren't Satanic rituals performed using Enochian Language?

So..........Latin?

Are you fluent in Akkadian?

What is the name of your "Bible" ?

Hi, I actually have a few questions I'd like to ask you if you could take time out of your day to do so.

1. the rituals that you perform,although you can't explain what exactly they are,how do you benefit from them?

2. What kind of lifestyle do you live? Is it a lavish one? If so is it due to your worship of satan?

3. What about the rumor of people selling their souls to become famous,how true is that and can you give any examples?

thanks for your time

Thanks for taking the time to reply back. One more thing. To Christians, heaven is a place where no wrong takes place and is basically perfect. Their version of hell is a horrible place where the evil go and where your soul burns in fire forever upon ever. What is your take on heaven and hell? Where do you think you will end up and how would the afterlife differ between an individual who worships Satan and an individual who worships Jesus? Again thank you for your time

If someone wished to learn more without showering you with question after question,in what direction would you point them. Any links or forums you have that are similar or exact to your beliefs?

Your knowledge of the Word is severely lacking.

"And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell." - Matthew 18:9

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." - Revelation 21:8

"Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched" - Mark 9:44

"And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit" - Revelation 9:2

"And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death" - Revelation 20:14

I'm not saying I believe in this. I'm just saying you're writing lots of crap in this thread.

Regardless of if there is actually fire or not, the point is being completely away from God's presence for eternity is the worst punishment imaginable.

God IS love, mercy, kindness, and all things good in the world. So when you have a place completely devoid of God, you have a place completely devoid of anything good.

I find this hard to believe with everything happening these days. Sandy hook? Couldn't god just smite that fucker with a stroke that morning preventing the death of all those poor kids. I'm not convinced it was a conspiracy Btw.

If God stopped people from committing all their evil acts He would be taking away their free will to choose good or evil, and He wouldn't be a very good God for not giving His creation the choice to choose good or bad now, would he?

So you were born into a rich family and have had everything handed to you, and you attribute this success, that you were born into, to a supreme being?

cool. everyones is allowed to believe and worship as they want

You can basically have whatever it is you want in the world.

So if what I want is for all other Satanists not to get what they want in the world, can I get that? I'll take the bullet for the rest of you.

Well. I would like the tools to end Satanism on Earth. Will Satan give me those tools?

I didn't say I wanted to end it. Only to point out the logical inconsistency to your claim that Satan can provide the tools to get whatever you want. If Satan's promise to you is inconsistent, and fallible, why would you, or anyone believe in and follow such a concept or promise?

Is the innocence of children utilized in ritual to achieve a desired effect?

You and I are gonna tango on the battlefield one day, either in this life or the next. One of us will be erased from the fabric of time. Enjoy your material comforts while they last, you evil, greedy, malevolent soul.

HAHAHA! WHAT?!

See, that part scares me. Using the innocence of kids how? That's the main thing that worries me so far after reading about this.

Edit: Thanks for your edit/clarification. That makes more sense to me now.

You and your families are hoarding the wealth of this nation. We have homeless and hungry yet you wield your power only to benefit yourselves. If you truly cared to benefit man then why not mimic the actions of your noble and benevolent benefactor Satan, and share the tools you've acquired with your fellow man and help us to fly under his watch alongside you?

Are your parents associated with oil?

Yes, they are homeless and hungry because of the own actions and decisions, but isn't that Gods plan? Let them figure it out on their own? Don't you want the will of your creator to spread across the world?

Wouldn't you be helping your creator prove his point if you helped people? Charities can be a very empty word, depending on the substance.

Sounds like billions of souls in the afterlife on God's side as opposed to Satan's five. I don't care if if Satan is Gerard Butler himself, those ain't good odds for the end game.

Then what is our purpose here? Just a big tug of war to see who can get more people on his side?

What's the point then?

Why is Satan's plan for MAN to only help a small privileged few then?

This is the part I don't get! how does one convert?

Thank you for the reply! can this be done through my basic understanding of prayer? if so then I'll let him help me from there :)

Who is Adam's polar opposite?

Is there a female equivalent presiding over certain things? The maternal aspect of society has all but vanished since the early days of the Egyptians.

Hey, I know I was asking questions here elsewhere in this thread. I don’t really know how to phrase this but I'll give it a shot, is there anywhere in your psyche that says to you that using children innocence in this manner is morally wrong? I guess I’m asking did you ever struggle with the belief system or have a moral crisis. I think you kinda answered this before in my other question but I want to be sure in that I don’t want to have false ideals about this religion. Does your religion use children in a sexual manner?

Ok cool thanks, also: Your obviously aware of all the conspiracy surrounding mainstream satanism and people in politics. Well a lot of them are geared towards paedophilia and human hurting, apparently they use it to harness energy are something and its always children and always sexual, in your own belief do you think this goes on but is a separate religion from your own or from your knowledge is that stuff false, I just want your personal opnion. And also earlier you said something about a ritual geared towards world peace, (i believe in a reference to bohemian grove, although I may have taken it up wrong). Is your religion aiming for world peace in some shape or form?

How can I learn more about your religion in general? Books, articles, papers, etc. Or is the information only for the six families and whoever they chose to be a part of it?

Can you give some advice that would actually improve our lives if followed? And if so what is it?

So since you were brought into this religion since birth and have been indoctrinated into it, I can only guess that as a normal adolescent you might have questioned if your given set of beliefs / values were right for you. Were you ever inclined to go to God or Atheism as you grew older? Have you known anyone who separated from your faith later on in life to choose God? What are your thoughts on the Gnostic teachings of JC?

My question is similar to this i suppose, but as a child were you outright told that your family was a part of this religion or did your parents wait until you had come of age to tell you?

How connected is you and or your religion to the Illuminati?

Regardless of what they make a pretense of telling the rest of the world, doe the Roman Catholic Church have more allegiance to your god than any other?

Yes. I understand this, of course. However, I am not asking about what they make a point to "publicly" profess. I'm asking about what really happens. Are you also "private" enemy No. 1? Are the upper, upper echelons of the Roman Catholic Church really one and the same with your branch?

This would be similar to, say, politics in the United States. The Democrats and the Republicans make a huge ploy to be against one another, and publicly decry the other's philosophy. However, even though many members of either branch are themselves ignorant of this very truth, the fact of the matter is that they are both two clawed hands on the same nefarious entity.

I just wonder if The Roman Catholic Church is aligned or associated in such a manner with your group at its deeper levels.

I see. Thank you very much.

I can tell you the Illuminati are real because I accidentally became illuminated myself. I am not part of the Illuminati conspiracy, which I do believe exists. However, once a person has received the illumination, whether through accident or purpose, that person is an Illuminati. The other Illuminati will immediately recognize this and the person in question will have no trouble discerning that, yes, there really are a large number of normal-seeming people who are illuminated, and all of them take part in the earth-realm spiritual battle. Whether they engage in conspiracies or not is a different matter. I wouldn't know because I'm a lone wolf.

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does william cooper have a pretty good understanding of your religion? ie satan gave man knowledge, in the garden of eden, satan is prometheus.. etc..

are all mystery schools related to your order? such as brotherhood of light, masons, illuminati etc.. ? what I'm really asking is are there no mystery schools who align themselves with god?

this would kind of make sense to me from what you're saying, because it seems the premise of all these mystery schools is that they hold secret the tools of power yada yada yada.

my friend is a member of a mystery school, and he said he's taken an oath not to reveal things, I just wonder if he's aligned himself with satan and can't tell me. I'm not sure, or furthermore not really judging. however I align my self with god, and would think that he'd be on the wrong side of the war.

So if we don't align ourselves behind either god or satan, then we fall under god? I saw you mention somewhere I forget where now, that even being atheist still means you fall under god, because this is gods plan.

How do you feel about the contents of this video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAm-kbzT7xw

This is off subject but I wrote this earlier and you never got back to me: How would I find one (in relation to a member of your relgion), is their a certain name given to this relgion. I mean it'd be pretty impossible considering its secret right? I know you said that I can pray to your god anytime I wish, but if my only knowledge of your god is the mainstream model then wont by intensions/visualzations be formed in ill will for lack of a better pharse. How would I go about praying?

is there no way you can just check my intentions?

Also I have watched that film before and I would love to hear your thoughts on it so please do follow up on it.

Yeah it's pretty long, but it covers a lot of information. Sweet, I'd love to know how you feel about all of those things and how believable you may think it is.

awsome film by the by

I am muslim, so I have an abrahamic view of satan as Lucifer, the angel of Allah, who when Allah created man refused to bow before him, and was therefore banished from heaven, and spreads evil in the hearts of man to try to prove to Allah that indeed, man is inferior. In some ways, Allah and Lucifer have a partnership in that Lucifer keeps the souls of men whom he has through his influence proven to Allah are unworthy in hellfire, but why anyone would want to be tortured in hell for eternity escapes me.

As this story is in all three of the holy books (Torah, Bible, Qu'ran), I would like to hear your thoughts on this.

• Do you have a different story on the origins of Satan?

• If you believe the same story, or a variation on it, why do you worship the one who's mission it is to lead you away from righteousness?

• Are Satan and Allah enemies in your view? Is Satan All-powerful? If so then who is Allah? Is Satan a creation of Allah or are they equal partners?

• If you believe they are equal partners, do you believe that both have always existed or that one came before the other?

• What are your beliefs on Abraham and Abrahamic religions? How and why did these things exist before Satanism? If you view them as false, why did an Abrahamic "Satan" exist before the practice of worshipping him? Why would Satan allow the massive spread of such faiths around the globe in their three forms, and why do none of the prophets speak of Satan in anything other than a negative way?

• Do you believe Satan resides in hell and if so, why do you want to go there?

• What happens to you if you violate your oath? Is there a satanist equivalent of Hell?

Well you should know the Qu'ran says youre definitely going to hell, but that said I respect your right to control the destiny of your own soul. I read your link but it has still left some questions unanswered.

They are absolute enemies, but are forbidden by the cosmic laws which govern the universe to actually harm one another.

I assume that this comes from a taoist-style yin-yang view of the universe, where the ultimate law of the universe is balance, and that therefore niether Allah nor Satan can eliminate the other. I would ask how can either one can truly be Gods if both are subject to higher laws? And who do you believe created the Universe and the ultimate law of balance if not either one of them? I am also still very interested in your view of Hell as the Kingdom of Satan/Heaven as the Kingdom of Allah, and which acts qualify one's soul for either fate.

As muslims, we are instructed by the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) to establish regular prayer five times per day, give part of our income every year to the poor, and if we ourselves are poor to give part of our time to good deeds, and finally to make a pilgramage to the holy city at least once in our lives. How do you live your life as a satanist? I am not asking for specifics as I realize this would violate your faith, but can you give any details on any acts the "Church(?)" considers favorable in daily life?

Bzzzt. Lucifer is not a Babylonian King. You're following a comic book religion, sorry.

No, I do not think Paradise Lost is a true story. If you must stoop to ad hominem, you of course are disproving your claim to be an ubermensch for Satan.

Lucifer is the Jesus of an alien planet, one of Yahweh's many sons and daughters. He is not a fallen angel, not Satan, not a Babylonian King, not a character from Paradise Lost.

Again, you can commune with Lucifer today if you want to know what's real.

And you are a very pedestrian kind of brainwashed.

If things are simply handed to you via rituals, how do you spiritually evolve?

I gather that the point would be something like "our god's creation strategy is better than the other god's creation strategy"; is this accurate?

If not, could you speak a little more about the point? Also, by what method do you and your kin intend to prove the point?

Edit: and what would a victory on either side look like?

Ok, starting to make sense a bit.

Does the story of Adam, Eve, and the the garden of Eden (including tree of knowledge, forbidden fruit, tempting by the serpent etc) figure into your religion's story at all? And if so, how? Do any of the participants in the bible's version of this story represent your people?

Ah, ok. Tubal-Cain as well, then?

Hmm... so in your beliefs, was Cain the original human creation by your god?

Ah.. so, by chance, was Tubal-Cain your god's original human creation, according to your religion?

So Lamech was your god's original human creation, or was the original farther back down the line? Edit: Or was it Enoch, son of Cain?

I have a question regarding ghosts. I am an agnostic, raised in a Christian household, I have seen several "ghosts" in my lifetime. One appeared as a grungerocker the other a small boy. My father always told me that ghosts were not human souls but demons manifesting themselves in forms to trick us into questioning God. So my question is, are ghosts people's lost souls, demons manifesting themselves in forms we can understand, or is there another explanation.

At the age of 10, I once heard a voice speaking in a language I cannot identify. As I listened, it sounded like 2 beings conversing. After a few minutes of terror there was a deafening silence, followed by one whispering loudly, "it's time to bring up another angel." I obviously shit an epic streak. Any insight as to what it is I heard?

Thank you.

I have a question. How the fuck is this relevant to anything here? Please go post this in r/atheism so more people can get a laugh out of it.

Edit: Downvote away guys, but we've got 425 comments in a thread about someone's imaginary friend, even if it isn't one of the more common ones.

Maybe...learn something. Even if you don't believe it, you might expand your capability to view the way the world works.

As far as relevancy, you're reading this thread in a conspiracy subreddit in case you forgot. What could be more relevant than a Q&A with a guy who claims to be a member of one of the most secretive groups in existence, ever?

A Q&A with basically a member of the fabled Illuminati is about as relevant to /r/conspiracy as is even possible.

A Q&A with basically a member of the fabled Illuminati

Ah, i didnt realise the Illuminati would have a habit of frequenting reddit and posting in r/conspiracy, of all places.

It doesn't do much for the credibility of this sub when you see so much interest in a topic like this one...

Your username is quite accurate. As is my own. I'd upload a photo of myself to prove it but, unfortunately for you and everyone else, I can't because it's a secret.

Last few questions, thanks for your time. Do you guys use a special calendar? Any teachings on drug use? If you're fighting an idealogical battle here, why all the secrecy? Does having an ability to translate Akkadian text give you any kind of special insight on ancient history, and if so would you care to explain a few of your ideas on the topic.

first of all not sure if I believe any of your jibber jabber. but with the akkadian stuff, is there not also the gift of tongues in your order? if satan gives you all these tools I would figure tongues and ability to assume translation and stuff would follow.. maybe

Are there any historical figures other than Hitler (that you know of) that practiced your religion?

edit: and if so, who?

he pointed out earlier that he cannot divulge that information; and Hitler apparently had the book, doesn't mean he could read it or follow that religion

Which of the American founding fathers practiced your religion? Related to this, what is your view of Chris Pinto's material regarding the founding fathers seeing the USA as the "new Atlantis"?

Well, you may enjoy his presentation on the subject.

With all this attention centered at winning the following of the human race, what is it that's so special about us?

It's funny because I've always felt this was true. That we are essentially a game to entertain God/Satan. Pawns in a cruel game.

EDIT: I saw you answered a question about this further down, I'm reading through the relipes now.

Its odd, I've read about a similar version of this story that I'd like your opinion on. It draws many parallels to your beliefs, enough so that I think you may have further knowledge on the subject that you havn't spoke of yet.

From what I've gathered, the creator-god of this planet was in charge of the growth and development of the human species. As the ultimate goal of consciousness, or being, in the universe is to go out and experience and eventually return to The One, subdivisions of The One are created in order to create experiences. The creator-god of this planet and the subdivisions of himself, the human race, were being held in a state of suspended bliss. The planet was a literal "Garden of Eden". Unfortunately, in this state, growth was impossible, and little spiritual development was made in the human race. The creator-god of this planet appealed for help, reluctantly, as he enjoyed his "pet creation" as it was called. Whatever entities that are in charge of this planetary system then contracted another soul group/creator-god by the name of Lucifer to provide and embody a catalyst for spiritual development on this planet. Much to Earth's creator-god's dismay, the soul group Lucifer was to incarnate upon this planet and provide humanity with a route to further development. This came in the form of the story of Adam and Eve and the tree of knowledge. Earth's creator god had faith in his creation that they would not question further, and would stay in the state of suspended bliss that he had provided for the humans, but instead, humanity chose to disobey his orders and "take the fruit" In a fit of jealous rage, Earth's creator god imprisoned the soul group Lucifer in this dimension and cast humanity out of the kingdom of heaven. The soul group Lucifer, in fulfillment of its contract, was then forced to stay and continue to provide the catalyst for human development. They do this by being completly self-serviant. They provide us with means for development by embodying that which we are not. Their group goes by many names and has many divisions (Illuminati, Rothschild, etc.) but at the very top are a group of off-world entities of the soul group known as Lucifer.

We are so important to them because it is about proving a point.

When you say "we" are so important to "them", you mean that "each different 'subspecies' of human (i.e. the one created by god, and the other created by statan)" are both important to their respective creators because the respective creators are using their creations to "one up" each other. Correct?

Additionally, here's another question:

Are you a "satan-created" human or a "god-created" human whose family converted to satanism and that's how you were born into it? I think the name "satanism" feels stupid to me, btw. What would YOU call it? I would prefer to refer to your religion by what YOU call it, if I may.

And if your family are the type of human that was actually CREATED by satan instead of a god-created human that converted to satanism, then do you/does your family have or feel some sort of inherent superiority to "normal, god-created" humans? I mean if you're a satan created human, and the whole reason for your existence is because satan wanted to prove a point to god that HIS version of humans were better than god's version, and he (satan) therefore created his version to be, as you said, naturally smarter, faster, better, more beautiful, richer, etc, etc...then do you guys (assuming you are satan-created humans, if you are) look at yourself as being "naturally" better than god created humans?

And if you do, do you walk around with contempt for god created humans? do you look down upon god created humans?

Just wondering and curious about all of this. I think it's actually very fascinating. Thank you.

Sounds pretty cool to me.

Crazy world/planet/universe we live in, because to me, it continues to sound like god is more of a jealous, vindictive, asshole child than some "all-knowing, benevolent being".

Both tbo (The Benevolent One) and god seem to have very human-like qualities - qualities of jealousy, wrath, lust, etc, etc. They may deal with them MUCH better than their human creations do, but...well, they just seem to be better versions of their human creations, but nothing but VERSIONS of them none the less.

Perhaps humans really are made in the "image" of their deities/creators/gods. Perhaps there really is quite a bit of truth in the version of the vengeful, lustful Greek gods that exist in the tales of old, etc, etc.

In other words, the difference between deity and human is a difference not in kind, but of degree.

The Greek Gods were...impulsive shit heads.

They sure sound like they were.

Thanks for the further elucidation and explanation.

but how would you define success? is it monetary, knowledge or power-based?

By Satan's "creation" do you mean he created a living being out of the elements (as in the story of Adam), or was a new sub-species genetically engineered, or was it more like the story of the "Nephilim" or the "Titans": a hybrid race?

And, how does any of this (two "kinds" of men) tie in with the almost universal story of the Deluge?

Are these inner circle of families Satan's "beings" that he created?

Is there any way of finding out? Or is that knowledge left to God /Satan as part of the game?

They are more driven, more talented, better looking, and success just kinda follows them everywhere they go.

Damn.

...Well I'm DEFINITELY not one of you in that case... :/

So are you saying you are different than a normal "god-created" human? In other words, if "Satan" is different than "God" (both names I think are f***ing stupid, btw), and god created ONE species of human and then satan tried to "one up" god and create *another, "better" version of humans, and you happen to have been "born into it", then was your family line created by "satan"? or is your family line a "normal, god-created" humans line but that just converted to satanism before you were born?

This AMA is hilarious!

http://bagelfish.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/wow-nerd-south-park-580.jpg "click click" my family is from an ancient bloodline "click click"

Does numerology or the zodiac play any part in your religion?

What does your religion think of Israel and the Jewish faith in general?

Thoughts on MK Ultra and Monarch Mind Control?

Thanks for the response. I've read through alot of this thread and you have mentioned that while Demons or Angels can mess with humans they can't physically hurt them. What about possession?

Interesting. What are your thoughts about mind altering drugs and their alleged ability to help people interact with a spiritual/metaphysical world? For instance the Shamanic use of DMT. Does your religion acknowledge the potential importance of the pineal gland in the human brain?

I haven't seen any responses to the psychedelic questions and I'm also curious about this

I agree, kinda suspicious.

Is 33 one of these numbers? And if so, why?

Can you name 10-15 tools that your god has blessed you personally with? And can you explain how having these things given to you has made you (personally) happier than if you had worked for years to get them, in as much detail as possible without breaking your oath?

Either DON'T pm milestothesun and, instead, post the response here on the open forum, or - if you really don't want to post the response openly - then definitely PM me as well, as I am interested in hearing what the response you have would be to him.

Thank you in advance,

I'm willing to listen Pm me if you have time

I want you to!

What role do women play in your religion? Is it significantly different than a man's role?

Do you and your family follow any specific diets due to your religion? (Avoid certain foods?)

You've said your "Satan" gives you what you most desire in life. The Bible says something similar -Psalm 37:4 - "Delight thyself also in the LORD; and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart." I don't think it's God speaking here, but what's the difference between this and your description of this idea? (See also Psalm 20:4).

Does your religion incorporate music of any kind? What kind? How?

What would you say is the most historically accurate religious book that is available to the public?

Also, abortion?

How did you become a member and how could someone else?

How does one "serve" Satan and if one did serve him, what guarantee would that person have that Satan might reward that service with anything but a seat closer to the hell fire? Assuming there is hell fire, of course.

So says who? The devil?

He wouldn't lie about that, would he?

What is the ultimate goal? How do you worship? Do you pray? If someone hurts you and you pray about it, how does that person suffer for it? Who are you to Satan? When this life is over, what happens?

I know Im asking questions all over the place in this thread, but I am totally fascinated with this, you have no idea. If someone did cross you and you retorted in a "bad" way that kinda takes away from your earlier comment about not hurting anyone, i mean come on now you either do or you dont?

Ok thank you for clearing that up. Does this whole technicality thing go for my sexual abuse comment also. I mean just because your not doing that dosnt mean you cant do it metaphysically or through and entity.

Would you be the demon? or is it Separate from you?

HA!

But isn't the promise of riches down the road just a way of saying "worship me now and you'll get rewarded for it later"... like 77 virgins or everlasting life or blah, blah, blah?

So... you'll send me some money? Have you ever considered the possibility that there is no god, either good or bad? That maybe, it's just us?

Yes, Satan will give you riches on this earth, just as Satan tempted Jesus in the wilderness, telling him to bow before him and he would give Jesus all the kingdoms of the world.

One thing Satan can't do is give you eternal life, which is what God dolls out to those who follow Him.

Yahweh = Great probability of being poor and having no glory for yourself while on earth, followed by eternity in ecstasy

Satan = 80 or so years full of wealth and power followed by eternal torment.

Seems like an easy choice to me. I'll stick with eternal paradise.

Maybe Satan's biggest lie was convincing the world he exists.

You can't lie if you don't exist.

who is you?

A messenger of the Most High

I would hope a messenger of my most high would be a little more humble about it.

"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us.' We ask ourselves, Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, and fabulous? Actually, who are you not to be? You are a child of God. Your playing small does not serve the world. There's nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you. We are all meant to shine, as children do. We were born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us. It's not just in some of us; it's in everyone and as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give others permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others." Merianna Wiliamson

I was not doing it for the purpose of boasting but to make a point, your statement holds no merit.

Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure

"When your dread comes like a storm
And your calamity comes like a whirlwind,
When distress and anguish come upon you.

Then they will call on me, but I will not answer;
They will seek me diligently but they will not find me,

Because they hated knowledge
And did not choose the fear of the LORD.

They would not accept my counsel,
They spurned all my reproof.

So they shall eat of the fruit of their own way
And be satiated with their own devices.

For the waywardness of the naive will kill them,
And the complacency of fools will destroy them.

But he who listens to me shall live securely
And will be at ease from the dread of evil.”

NICE :)

But I am a generous god. I can make you rich beyond all measure. I will make you warlord of all Greece. You will carry my battle standard to the heart of Europa. Your Athenian rivals will kneel at your feet if you will but kneel at mine. - The movie 300

How would one do that?

Can you give a few examples of satans blessings for you?

Is that all you want? Is that the best Satan can do?

Do you practice with a congregation of other Satanists?

What is your biggest complaint about other members of your religion?

Fair enough. How do you think their religious/spiritual motivations differ from yours?

Baalite?

What advice would you give to someone who wants to lead the best life possible?

A life of freedom and self-reliance, that is not beholden to the lies of common religions and belief systems.

Have you ever considered the possibility that your faith is actually a level and that in objective reality you have come to believe in and worship God? Tricky Satan.

You would have to believe that, otherwise the deception wouldn't be so complete.

So how do you worship, humble, and thank properly?

Are there any risks involved in worshiping Him?

Are there any books that you would recommend to learn more about your religion?

It would get real lonely for Satan without God.

Can you describe the appearance of a Demon? Is it something like what Arthur C. Clarke describes in Childhood's End?

How does one win or lose a battle if our souls are eternal? How do you win a war if you can't kill your enemy?

God can not lose. He is the all powerful Creator, Satan is his creation, a lowly, fallen angel. The creation is ALWAYS subject to the Creator, as the clay is subject to the potter.

Well I suck at pottery.

Doesn't getting what you want in this life by asking Satan mean you anguish in the afterlife? Two sides to the coin, you take the good you get the bad. Repeat the cycle upon next birth.

You ever worry that Satan may have tricked your ass into loyalty by how convincingly well he tells explains his side of the coin?

Well of course they are very forthright and honest with you, if they weren't how could they ever win you over? Look, I'm not saying your choice is wrong fundamentally because we just can't know with these material bodies how extreme an experience the afterlife is, but think about both sides before you so hastily accept his offerings. If you want to live lavishly in the physical world, you're gonna have to eat shit in the next, and vice versa. If you eat shit in the here and now you'll have a lavish afterlife. Just saying. Who knows, living lavish in the afterlife might suck compared to living lavish here, so going with Satan's plan might be more logical decision, as far as consequences go. Hmm.

I just wanted to chime in briefly and point something out, i find your "faith" (if thats what you'd refer to it as) extremely fascinating. However i find that last comment to be somewhat of a contradiction. If Satan and his "demons" as you put it are very forthright and honest with man why all the secrecy and why the oath. That its the farthest thing away from honest you can get besides telling a blatant lie. That would make me skeptical about the religion from the go.

Thanks for responding and I understand your reply but it is still a contriditcion. Now that I have your attention I would like to ask you another question if i may (although I think i know what response Ill get :-) Does your religion involve hurting other humans for purpose of either ritual or personal gain?

wow that is very surprising, i guess because as you said its portrayed like that in the mainstream. How is one able to partake in this religion if it is shrouded in secrecy and against the participants oath to speak about it. I didn’t read every comment here but I heard you describe yourself as coming from "old money". Is there anyway to become involved in this religion without being born into it or without knowing another member? I am not asking for steps or anything and if its against your oath to go into detail can you simple answer yes or no.

How would I find one, is their a certain name given to this relgion. I mean it'd be pretty impossible considering its secret right? I know you said that I can pray to your god anytime I wish, but if my only knowledge of your god is the mainstream model then wont by intensions/visualzations be formed in ill will for lack of a better pharse.

Are you connected to the O.T.O.?

Satan is the father of lies. You are deceived. Wake up.

Satan will give you riches on this earth but he can NOT give you eternal life, only God can do that. Satan deceives men by giving them very, very real power and riches in this life, but sadly Satan can not grant eternal life of the spirit and soul, which is infinitely more value than any power you could ever gain on earth.

"I don't want to gain the whole world if it means losing my eternal soul"

Does your practice increase your ability to love? Is it a goal of yours to better love and serve your fellow humans? Please describe your view of sex, and how sex and love are related. Thanks.

TIL Satanists are missing out on some of the best sex.

Well the proof is in the pudding as they say. Ive had sex with men I loved and men i didnt love, it was better with the men i loved because I had value on it and i was comfortable enough to leave my inhibitions at the door and let my freak flag fly high....... But that is one opinion so to say there is zero truth does not hold up the truth is subjected to everyone for some it'll be better and for others it wont.

why is it?

agreed on the female side (for me), cant speak for the male.

based on my experiences both ways, I'm going stick with my own conclusions.

This question was never answered:

Does your practice increase your ability to love? Is it a goal of yours to better love and serve your fellow humans?

Edit 14 hours later: Looks like he doesn't want to answer this one.

Should I, as an agnostic, be scared of you and what you believe in?

How is your Book (that which Hitler had) called? or where can I find it? Also what kind of secrets were in that Book? I'm very interested in this. Thank you.

Do you believe that Satan, Lucifer and Prometheus are all referring to the same archetype? Or do you actually believe in metaphysical entities?

It's cool. I was just wondering since researching occultism is a hobby of mine.

Some more questions. What is your religion's take on serpent mythology, especially in Genesis? Is there information encoded in Genesis that refers to your religion?

This is kind of an off-base comment, and I think it might go unanswered, and I understand that.

What are the purpose of animals? I always feel like the "stories" say man was created for x, y purpose and animals are just there. Why purpose do they have? Entertainment for us?

Are they part of any plan or just kind of a cosmic throwaway? I've always had a hard time with religion because it values humans (just another mammal) as more important than anything else.

Inconsequential I guess, but interesting to me.

I'm guessing you don't have any pets.

Without bees mankind dies out in 4 years. Thoughts?

Lol... Ensure. But ok. Only certain organisms are food eh? Go live in a village in India with a tiger problem. See who is the food. Earth is an ecosystem, not a dominion for one arrogant misguided species.

Cool, appreciate the response. Guess I'm a god guy, all curious about that.

Cool, appreciate the response. Guess I'm a god guy, all curious about that.

Before I begin, I do understand there are fundamental differences between rites of your faith as compared to Freemasonry and it's affiliated rites as well as the general contrast in which Christianity and Satanism have, but how does one enter the faith? Christianity is a 'come-as-you-are' hierarchy, while Freemasonry involves 3 specific rites to become part of 'The Brotherhood of Man'. I know you've discussed that you are not at liberty to discuss or disseminate information about your faith, but how would a lost soul find it's way to your faith? To explain, I've never felt comfortable in Churches of any denomination. I've always found solace in the occult because of it's complex and curious nature, which I find at odds with modern Christianity (Especially their ousting, persecution and harassment of agnostics in the past and today's dismissal of anything other than the belief of a man in the sky who wrote rules for living in stone, carved by lightning on top of a volcano cone. Also, Jesus.)

My family is very Christian because of their upbringings, but I've always felt different. At a very young age, I could memorize and recite parables from the Christian Bible with little to no effort at a child's age and even 'wowed' a few pastors with my ability to repeat verbatim what I had read and even understood underlying morals derived from the stories. That all has faded and was part of my childhood. I could not do the same now if asked, but the memory is there. I feel like I've been here before, reading this and typing the message over again. (Which brings me to another point: I have frequent and vivid 'deja vu')

All that aside, is it possible to find a following such as yours? I know anything and everything is possible. I just want to find a place of faith. I'm sure there's more I could say, but I've typed enough already.

Thank you in advance for your time.

Is it possible that you could just copy and paste your respose to this either here or in a PM. I really want to hear what you have to say on this.

I second that! I would really like to hear the response to this

I agree. This is all very fascinating.

I second that

Would really appreciate some info on this too.

What do you believe the purpose of our existence to be?

Interesting. I have always believed the purpose of life to be self-defined. Is there a particular point they squabble over or is there intelligence so foreign from each other that any point is itself a squabble?

I do not see how those two concepts are in conflict with each other. They both want us to achieve. So the next question I have is why do they want us to achieve?

I notice in other posts you have stated you a native and not a convert. If given the choice, would you still follow without the influence of your family?

Do you believe He will win?

I am curious as to why. You have hinted before about some recent event or events that make you believe it is time to begin a long walk for your faith that will end in a good run. Care to go into details?

Just like christians have their "prayer of salvation" what would I need to do today to be part of your beliefs?

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It has also been speculated that Hitler obtained the Spear of Longinus.

Does your family have any insight in these speculations? You freely state that he got a hold of one of your books, so I thought maybe you would be open to answer some other questions.

interesting, was it ever in austria?

What happened to the book at the end of the war?

well many believe that whatever the Americans got -of occult importance- they took to the then newly built Area 51, not sure about the Russians

in other comments he says its with a noble family in asia

Are you in anyway affiliated with the "Brother Hood of the Snake"? It it to my understanding that there is a difference between worshiping Satan and Lucifer?

This thread was like shooting fish in a barrel

What are your thoughts on a technological singularity. Life after human body via technology, and the merging of our thoughts into a sort of Borg like mind-hive. ?

if we were removed from our bodies, and lived inside of technology which saw wavelengths far beyond human but could not speak, would we still be able to practice true satanism rituals without speaking Akkadian ? Do you need a human body, with human language and human vibrations ?

Does anyone in your circles understand why the rituals work with specific "Human" techniques? and Has anyone developed them beyond their 'pre-antiquity' styles? What are we called when we are not humans anymore?

By creation of man, you do mean the creation of our known universe, right? We can continue this thread with the understanding of evolution and the big bang etc... I hope you are not bringing this ideology to a creationism other than the first equation for the big bang to roll and evolve. Our languages of 5000 years ago are silly compared to the way our brains actually work. God and Satan should be prepared for us to pass the human body, pass our galaxy, and hopefully pass our time.

you are really drawing a line here.

The society thrived in sciences, military specialties, and other tricks of trade to the point where they were about to become completely world dominate.

Science was not the only thing oppressed in the Dark ages.

what do you mean by science ?

oh, you mean technology?

Technology takes what we know from science, and turns it into practical results. Science exists beyond flying machines, satanic rituals and the internetz. Do you deny all science that doesn't recognize the illusion of time? Where is your 'science line' when it comes to the speed of light, electrons, and binary? Are you familiar with sub atomic particle? Are they important to rituals? Is Carbon more important than Hydrogen?

-these things are really important for humans to have a better chance at living longer, therefore giving better gambling odds for either God or Satan. They really matter

What has changed that you are able to come out and say anything at all? You mentioned something on a scale we wouldn't believe. Try me.

By cosmic, are we just the micro-organisms of the planets and stars who are engaging in a war between each other or is this something of a higher dimension?

How can you worship something you cannot comprehend?

So as humans what are we suppose to do during this cosmic battle. What is our role is this, besides falling behind satan or god.

Can you explain it the best you can, without breaking your oath?

Aka the Anti Christ?

You sound like a Christian to me. Satan doesn't exist until they come into the picture.

I don't buy your Jesus myth either. John the Baptist maybe existed, but there's absolutely no historical basis for Jesus Christ. Lets find something about him in contemporary writings.. what is written about Satan or Jesus in the Dead Sea Scrolls for example? Anything?

That's consistently deceptive behaviour. If I was going to post about my deity, I wouldn't try to make it seem credible using a name that isn't even used... you are being confusing. What name? How many letters and what does it start with?

It's like how Jews might refer to their god as "YHWH". YHWH is not his real name.

No it's not like that at all. If the analogy held then the poster would be able to give some similar frame of reference. Otherwise how do they even know what they are talking about amongst themselves lol.

Anyway the entire thread appears to be troll fanfic or what have you, I'm not buying it.

The "similar frame of reference" is to use a name that we, people who are unfamiliar with this guy's religion, are familiar with ourselves. The Christian Satan is apparently a distorted depiction of what the "real Satan" actually is. Thus, he says Satan in this submission instead of some obtuse term that a) none of us are familiar with, b) perhaps can't be properly translated into English text, and c) likely violates his beliefs if uttered in all but the most holy of circumstances.

I don't believe or disbelieve this guy's story, I'm just saying.

I have a few questions.

Have you or your family ever had personal relationships with beings some would consider Demons? If so you can give us the names of these beings the you commonly associate with?

You believe God and Satan as opposing forces of power. If this is in fact true isn't all warring between the 2 forces utterly useless seeing as 1 could not exist without the other? Unless you believe the both God and Satan are really just fragments of a still yet a more powerful being?

Can you comment on the Elite peoples either of your order or of Gods, and if they really do have the intention of enslaving the masses and ultimately reducing the population?

Do you believe that your order works more for peace, or works more for domination and anarchy?

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FYI the thing that you personally call "speculations that must be taken on belief" is actually called and looked upon as "articles of absolute proof" by many of those subscribing to a particular dogma - whether it be a religious dogma or a scientific dogma.

What kind of question is a stupid question? And how the fuck was I supposed to know that, man? Chill out Edit: spelling

The realization that I referred to is one that exists independent of Abbas' question. No reason to get so offended or up in arms. It seems that it is you, and not I that needs to "chill out".

Fucking auto correct, I didn't mean Abbas, I meant "a stupid". What kind of a question is a stupid question?

Oh okay. I see. Hell, I was just assuming that "Abbas" was some user you were referring to and I was just too lazy to even look up if it was a real user or not. I just assumed it was.

Additionally, when you asked "what kind of a question is a stupid question", it seems you were referring to a version of what I wrote that I INITIALLY wrote and that I actually ended up deleting a few moments after I wrote it. In other words, I got rid of the statement because after re-reading it, I realized that it was a little bit too harsh. I wouldn't necessarily say that it was a "stupid" question. Plus, I didn't want to outright come across as directly antagonistic because that's not necessarily what I meant or how I feel (i.e. antagonistic toward you, etc). That's why I ended up deleting what I typed.

The reason I even typed that in the first place (although I, again, am saying that it was harsher than I really felt it) was because, as I subsequently explained (and didn't delete), there are many things that are called "speculations that must be taken on belief" that are actually looked upon as "articles of absolute proof". In other words, I was pointing out that the "speculation" that you assume is exclusively relegated to religion is actually something that exists just as much in the scientific dogma that the majority of the world (and most definitely Reddit) ends up taking as gospel fact.

Science is often just as dogmatic in its own ways as religion. Of course it's not SUPPOSED to be, but it often is.

That is all.

Thanks

I'm guessing telling me what provides you this undeniable proof would be breaking your oath, right?

Oh, thanks for answering!

Are there repricussions to speaking with a demon? To me, this would validate the afterlife and probably push me away from agnosticism and toward religion. Would I be denied eternal salvation by speaking to a demon?

I ask because, Christianity is faith based and if I conjure (for lack of a better word) a demon, that would also prove the existence of God. No need for faith. So, is this a way of circumventing the whole faith ideal, or will god turn his back on me for seeking out Satan? I understand you may not be the best person to tell me how God reacts to these situations, but if you aren't sure, what is your opinion? Thank you for your time, and Btw. Very interesting.

Advice taken. That's a pandoras box I am not willing to open.

If you understand the likely truth of the existence of personal identity independent of the this limited dimension, then you are not agnostic. You are also, btw, not a "believer" either. You are someone who, again, understands (logically and rationally - not through blind "faith") the existence of personal identity independent of this limited dimension. No need to stick belief of faith or even religion into any of this. It's really all logic and rationality. That alone can guide you to the truth of what exists beyond this dimension and this life.

Is it possible for anyone to perform one of these rituals or can they only be done by people of Satanic birth?

Is it even possible for someone born outside of familes such as yours to find how to perform these rituals?

Then how can I find the instructions? You mentioned "digging around in the middle east" before. Is here any way you can elaborate or is it up to me to find out for myself?

To be perfectly honest, knowledge. I know that the world operates on a level normal people don't completely understand. My goal is to discover that level, no matter what capacity it may be in. If it were to help me live a better life that would just be icing on the cake.

What if we seek more? From the few things you've stated, this sounds like something I might want to be apart of. Could you inbox me?

What type of being? Is it a living thing, do you talk to "Satan" and is he impatient? If you have every tool for success, could you or your religion create a free energy source? Sorry for all the questions.

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What are your feelings about the concept of karma?

Care to elaborate a bit more on this? What are your views in a nutshell concerning an afterlife?

Your creator doesn't have a name or counterpart that humans would recognize other than Satan? Sounds fishy.

And I suppose you're personally convinced and satisfied of your 'afterlife rewards' due to your cult beliefs? This sounds typical.

thanks..though it doesn't really place it in the context of anything I'd be familiar with.

one final question - thanks for your patience with skeptical me.

isn't it possible that somebody independently discovers some of your 'secret' methods, rituals or whatever, and provides them to whoever wants them? wouldn't that pose a risk?

Well, I'm willing to listen to reason. But I can't trust secrecy.

What is your god's plan for the USA? I want to hear it from the source, instead of from Alex Jones. I'm serious.

...what is it that lets you know the prophecy is correct? Signs surrounding his birth, certain physical characteristics, specific accomplishments - or things that aren't public knowledge at this point?

Well, I am not familiar with those verses (I assume they come from your books or ceremonies?) but it sounds like a description of an American leader. The eagle is the bird. Red is the color of blood. White and blue are both color symbols representing purity or innocence.

I suppose the verse you quote is part of a larger prophecy. But you have to admit that there could be various ways of interpreting what that short sentence actually means.

To contrast with the birth of Jesus of Nazareth, there were specifics given regarding the place of his birth, and there are even extra-Biblical ancient accounts of the journey of the "Magi" from Persia (Iran). They knew to look for specific signs in the skies.

Do your prophecies get anywhere near as specific?

In our lifetime? Also I know you've said that you cannot disseminate much information due to your oath but is there any even if light resources where we can learn more?

You say he's in the public eye; will we ever know him to follow the same path that you do?

So the flag and the seal then?

In the last century, were any major Christian evangelical figures either a member of or "friends of" your religion? (i.e. well-known writers, musicians, or even...evangelists)

Since you've alluded to the fact that (publicly) your people are thought to be Catholics, I am wondering if the same holds true in the world of evangelical Christianity.

Do you hate God? If so, why?

what are the main differences between leveyan satanism and "Real" satanism? how does one learn more about real satanism or become a real satanist?

Do you believe that they also talk to Satan or his demons in their rituals just as you do in yours?

throwaway here, I'm sure you of all people understand the importance of anonymity.

First, thank you very much for taking the time to answer all these questions. (I saw you will even be watching a 1 hr video, quite gracious of you.) Two parts here, thank you for your time good sir.

general questions observations of what I've read. (I've been following developments) Names are abbreviated because I know better.

Ywh's people are just supposed to 'eventually' surpass Sml's, seems rather open ended. (according to Ywh, within his context) Obviously Sml's people have the upperhand in the short race. (Can't win the 50 yard dash with a 50 yard handicap). Is there a time frame/context this is supposed to happen within?

Since both have always been. It follows both shall always be. That which is not created can never be destroyed. It seems this final battle isn't very final, if it cannot result in the dissolution of either. So what is the culmination of all this? Just "ha showed you!"?

Since this is some sort of "who's people are better and will flourish the most" bet, isn't this just a let the game play out kind of thing, wherein each just get's "points" until some winner is determined at which point xyz happens?

If Ywh and Sml are eternal beings and it's in their nature to initiate these sort of "bets" this probably happens a lot on the cosmic scale of things doesn't it?

how are they subject to cosmic law if they are the all powerful (co?)creators of the universe? Is it some sort of one's power limits the other so it works out that they can't directly harm each other. Or is this somehow actually built into reality beyond their control?

At one point were they not at each others' throats?

 "who will be happier in the end: the person who has to work to achieve something and be proud of it or the person who is given everything he needs and see how far they can get before time runs out?"

Don't you still have to work to achieve things? I mean video games stop being fun when you're in god mode, you just run around winning... kind of sucks. Like you said, physical fitness is part of your religion/encouraged, obviously you're working for that, its not just "I want big muscles" and then "POOF" magic and shit. So I assume it's more of a arguement over balance, that is how to balance how much one must work for it, vs how low hanging the fruit should be, since obviously all the fruit is meant to be within reach. Am I on the right track?

Is the door open for beings with equal power/status as Sml and Ywh to exist?

Are you answering these questions as part of your religion or are you just bored?

Can I ask more generals as I think of them? Will you keep this account open for long? long shot questions. I'm not sure you're the right person for these; hard to explain:

what is the 'void'?

what is beyound the void?

who is hil-el hi-el? how/why do I know this name?

who/what is the "third"?

if you can answer these, I have A LOT of questions for you.

Once again, thank you for your time.

Since both have always been. It follows both shall always be.

Citation needed.

Preface: I would consider myself a "God is love" Christian. I am not at all off put by your responses and they are extremely interesting. The most intriguing part is that you seem to know most aspects of Christianity while little to no Christians know anything other than what they were taught about yours. Overall A+ thread.

To my questions, You said in your religion people are told not to kill, what is the recourse of disobeying this in the afterlife? Where would Hitler be now after abusing your power? As Christians we have the commandments, is there a satanist equivalent? How relative do you find the christian bible to your religion, and are parts of it used in your bible? Also, elaborate on Jesus was a bad ass would you lol Thanks, You seem like a nice guy and I've enjoyed this thread a lot, good brain food.

Thanks for the answers. I feel like I have learned something after reading this thread and I greatly appreciate your time. I think the most ignorant thing a person can do is refuse to open their ears and listen. One last question, I know what people often learn in younger years of schooling and is preached throughout most of your lifetime is "The golden rule" (do unto others and you would have them do unto you), After reading this thread I get the feeling that may be a similar piece between our two beliefs, If so, Do you believe "Kindness" is simply a form of universal truth?

I lied, I was riding the bus home from work and wrote down a few more questions I have. Hahahaha sorry to suck up all your time, but all of this is filling in some things I didn't totally understand before. * Do you believe the existence of aliens coincides with either religion? How does your religion view the outcome of suicides? * If you don't believe Jesus defeated death, why do you believe they included that part? * How relevant is the book of revalation to your beliefs? * If someone is born of "Satan" and switches to believe in God, how is that viewed? * What does your religion believe happens to people that are GENUINELY kind when they die that have no religious affiliation? * Is purgatory real to you? * What do you believe is the reason behind why people are born with handicaps? Once again, thanks. Forgive my curiosity, Never had the chance to ask these questions before, especially to someone who seems very knowledgeable.

Very good my friend, Thanks for your answers. I'm sure I'll think of more questions now or later. Have a great day.

"God" and "Satan" really don't give shit how nice of a person you are. If you do not help them win their side of the argument, you will be punished, one way or another.

Wow, these gods really DO seem like fickle, spoiled brat s.o.b.s if looked at from this perspective, no?

God/TBO are basically saying: I don't give a fuck how nice you are, bitches! Just do as I say and help me prove that other fucker-god wrong!

My brother, as astute and aware as you certainly seem to be on some levels, you absolutely then have to HAVE to know that our respective gods/creators are only such (i.e. rulers/gods) as it pertains to OUR specific solar system and possibly not too much further than that. It is true that they are unimaginably more powerful than we currently are, but I wouldn't imagine they run or are in charge of much more than our own, limited system of nine or so planets (eight by some counts), and - given how fickle they really DO seem to be - I can almost absolutely GUARANTEE that they are absolutely not the ones in charge of our galaxy in general...to say absolutely NOTHING about all the other billions of galaxies (each of which comprising billions of other stars and solar systems and trillions of other planets) in our cosmos. They CERTAINLY don't run all that.

We are play-thing-puppet-minions of two presently feuding, incorrigible, interstellar deities that are currently in charge of the creation of this planet and possibly a few other surrounding planets and the beings on those planets. They must certainly be honored and respected as such - for they are certainly that much more powerful than we, their creations - but we must also understand that they too are a part of a far greater organization of existence still.

This is a beautiful, wonderful, enlightening post, however, and I am glad you have taken as much time as you have and given so much of your knowledge in answering all of the questions posed to you.

If I may ask, was your making this post your own personal idea? In other words, does your father know about your doing this? Are you doing this with his approval? I imagine since there is a lot of information that you CAN'T divulge about your group, there are certain members of it that are monitoring this post no? to make sure you "stay on course". Is that correct? Is there any level of "checks and balances" if you will regarding your activities on here (members of your group monitoring, you having to answer to them, etc) or do the members of your group trust you enough to simply let you come on here and do what you want to do, say what you want to say, and they know that you wouldn't invalidate any of your oaths?

Thanks again,

Can you explain the mechanics and the reason that rituals are necessary? In other words, how does a ritual (in our physical realm) have any effect on spirit beings in another realm?

I meant could you explain why/how rituals work - in general.

For instance, does a spirit hear someone starting a ritual and then stop whatever they're doing and think: "oh good - they're trying to call me! if they do everything just right, i'll appear to them."

Or is there a "Law of the Universe" that contrains them to do what they are told? "oh man, not this guy again. But since I'm obligated to obey this certain ritual..."

List ye, O man, to he who comes to you. But weigh in the balance if his words be of Light. For many there are who walk in Dark Brightness and yet are not the children of Light. Easy it is to follow their pathway, easy to follow the path that they lead. But yes, O man, heed ye my warning: Light comes only to him who strives. Hard is the pathway that leads to the Wisdom, hard is the pathway that leads to the Light. Many shall ye find, the stones in your pathway; many the mountains to climb toward the Light. Yet know ye, O man, to him that o’ercometh, free will he be of the pathway of Light. Follow ye not the Dark Brothers ever. Always be ye a child of the Light. For know ye, O man, in the end Light must conquer and darkness and night be banished from Light.

Tell us about the Mystery Schools and what (if anything) they have to do with your beliefs. How do these relate to the "mystery of iniquity that already worketh" that the apostle Paul spoke about in his day?

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Can you tell us what your six commandments are? Are you allowed to say anything about Astral Projection or would that break your oath?

Wow. Enlightening thank you. Can you not speak of Astral Projection or OBE's or whatever different name you have for this? You have hinted that some form of Conscious projection or alteration plays a role in nearly all of your rituals. Do you have intentional out-of-body experiences and do they play a role in obtaining the 'tools' for success? My last question concerns Hobbes 'Levathian'. It sounds like this (counter-punch) is headed right for the pineal gland of human civilization. Is the ultimate goal of his or her rise to power to create a society in which all can follow your commandments and thrive, thus proving the point of your God? And does your religion foresee a violent change of power or a peaceful transition into your version of utopia? Thank you again for all your time.

I would like to see an answer to this (great) question.

I feel like my connection with 'god' is through meditation and astral projection. I'd hate for what I consider my progress in such to be abolished or taken away from me.. that would not be cool at all.

Alternately if there is an opposite side of the realms I perceive to have frequented I would certainly not turn down a chance to check it out.

I'll take a simple yes or no on whether you can answer anything about intentional out-of-body experiences.

Haha yeah I didn't think you could elaborate on subjects like these just wanted to hear what you were allowed to say. Thanks.

Can you elaborate on the, sort of 'dimension' or 'realm of existence' people go to when projecting or having an OBE?

Who is correct? If you were sitting around with God and Satan in your living room, drinking a beer, and they got into a bad argument that is a metaphor for our reality, who wins the argument?

What planets are heaven and hell on?

Like another commenter said, gimme the readers digest version

Forever? Is this a game?

This sounds fucking awful

I can't even kill myself to find solace???

This hits the motherfucking nail right on the head. Well-said, throwaway.

Where can a laymen learn more?

Great question

This is a fun thread to read/participate in. I didn't get all my questions answered, presumably due to the breaking of oaths. But thanks for answering what you could! (Since you've gotten a lot of questions and PMs, I understand the difficulty in answering everyone.)

In spite of how much I enjoyed reading your responses, I have come to the conclusion that either of the two following possibilities are true:

• You are a well-read, dedicated, and skilled troll, or

• You are indeed what you claim to be.

Either way, you have presented some inaccurate information along with some truths that aren't learned "casually". If you're a troll, it's because you're repeating some talmudic fables, New Age teachings, and some popular beliefs of the "truth" movement.

But, if you're actually a member of an elite family as you claim, the reason you've spread some of the inaccuracies can only be due to an agenda - or because you are yourself deceived about some things of vital importance. I don't pretend to be able to judge your goodness, badness, or what your agenda really is - I'm only outlining the possibilities.

Whatever the case may be, I have some kind advice for you and for everyone else: don't think too highly of yourself, try to be at peace with everyone, and choose wisely the path you take in this life. Because eternity is real; this life is fleeting.

Has anyone guessed the "counter punch" to Christ or the anti-Christ yet?

If not, is it Arnold Swarchenegger? (Sp?)

I also thought about Arnold. He's pretty good looking, and due to his political and celebrity background, he has the potential to be influential...Hmm...

Also, I'm still interested in this. Does anyone else want to share ideas?

Arnold is Austrian as was Hitler. That was part of my reasoning.

Look at what the Bible says about him and you will end up with a whole list of characteristics. Based on the Biblical description it couldn't be Arnold. Remember, he is an imitator of Jesus Christ in many ways. Based on that, I have a suspicion that he will begin his "ministry" - or his entry into the public eye - at the age of 30. (That is just one thing I would look for, not that I claim to be an authority on identifying the antichrist.)

What are the basics of your religion?

If God means to let man discover for himself, and Satan means to provide man with the tools needed to succeed, then why the secrecy behind the rituals?

Well then, how does one prove that he can be trusted? By merely taking an oath?

I did not have to do it because I was born into it

that hardly seems fair.

I can't even accept your 'creator of man' myth.

God is the universe, the eternal. Everything. By definition it contains your (deceptive) Satan, or whatever you would call it. The only way I can accept that man was 'created' in the sense that the entire universe was set in motion in a primeval cause.

You say animals are simply food. I can't believe what people around here will accept without questioning. We are animals ourselves.

So if man is inherently flawed, then Satan's original plan was flawed, therefore he is not all-powerful, correct?

Are men created by Satan physically different or is it something else?

Do you agree that these men of Satan have control of our government?

I'm calling you out. If they are men of God ruling the world, then they would be very lowly men indeed.

I don't believe your story. Maybe offer some proof? A photo of your Big Book of Truth and a time/datestamp for a start. This subreddit is a troll's dream.

Why do they perform human sacrifice rituals to a 40 foot stone Moloch then?

Why are men of God worshiping Moloch?

I guess you haven't seen the video from inside Bohemia Club.

The entire ceremony is recorded. It's a 40ft stone owl that represents the enlightenment you and your family have attained. Everyone is wearing robes and they cart in a fake body to burn in effigy. It's called the cremation of care, and if I'm wrong, what is it then? You would know.

Or just ritual. You know, like Satanists have?

"Thy benevolence which would pursue us here, has lost its power under these trees. So shall we burn thee once again this night, and, in the flames that eat thine effigy, we shall read the sign; midsummer sets us free!"

"Ye shall burn me once again? laughing Not with these flames, which hither ye have brought from regions where I reign. Ye fools and priests! I spit upon your fire!"

"Once more, we banish thee. Begone dull care, fire shall have its will of thee! Begone dull care, and all the winds make merry with thy dust. Hail fellowships eternal flame! Once again, midsummer sets us free!" agonized screaming

World peace? You're a fucking liar and you know it.

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the world needs more loving people willing to worship themselves

Worshiping yourself is not necessarily the same thing as being loving. I think it's a bit more complicated than you might suppose.

Haha I can't believed I missed this. You just admitted that your parents, Satanists, are members of Bohemia club.

You have 2 gay parents? BG is a men's only club. Why would your 'parents' be invited? Only your Father would be invited.

Which camp is your father from?

I am a man. I am naturally talented at almost everything I do. When I put my mind to something there is NO stopping me. No one ever interrupts me (incredibly likable). I can walk into a room and make anyone laugh or smile. Women are always telling me I am one of the most beautiful and gorgeous men they have seen, breath taking even, rendering them unable to speak.

Yet, I am a man of God, not Satan.

And modest too!

Blessed are the meek!

I am not saying this with a sense of elitist pride, I am just stating fact. I am not ashamed of who I am, and I wear it proudly. This quote comes to mind.

"it is our light not our darkness that most frightens us

Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure.

It is our light not our darkness that most frightens us.

We ask ourselves, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented and fabulous?

Actually, who are you not to be?

You are a child of God.

Your playing small does not serve the world.

There's nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other

people won't feel insecure around you.

We were born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us.

It's not just in some of us; it's in everyone.

And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same.

As we are liberated from our own fear, Our presence automatically liberates others."

Is it possible for you to re-write that with a consistent pronoun? You begin by referring to yourself, then you use the pronoun "you" meaning me, I assume, then begin referring to a "we". It is very difficult to try and dig through this grammar and come out with anything I can respond to. If I can understand where you're coming from, I'd love a healthy discussion.

The first 3 sentences I am talking about my self. The rest of the text is a quote.

Ok. I will respond to your words. You said in your comment in parentheses that you were incredibly like able? Do you think this is a fact? Is this because no one ever interrupts you? Does that prove your incredible likability?

It's not from what I think, but what people have told me face to face. One night me and a whole bunch of friends got together and we decided to play a game. We sat in a circle and we decided we were going to tell each person the one thing we hated about them. Every single person had something to say about someone else. When everyone got to me, they paused and said "I can't think of anything I don't like about you." One person even said "Yeah, you're like perfect."

Obviously I am not perfect and I have flaws, but I'm not just pulling this crap out of my butt because of pride. I genuinely put others before myself as much as I can, always be nice, etc.. THAT is why I say I am incredibly likable, because I have been told so and because I've never not been able to make friends. And honestly, I know I'm likable, and that gives me the confidence to make conversation with people, hold their eye contact, and make them feel like the center of my attention.

There is a picture of me on acid, which I never liked because I felt incredibly evil looking, and a satanist I know commented and said "You look like Satan." But that is only when I am under the influence of drugs.

Also, did Satan sleep with Even to create that bloodline? And if so, would it not have been wiped out at the great flood where only Noah and his family survived?

EDIT: May I show you the picture I am referring to you and may you give me your opinion? I'm simply curious as to what you will think when you see it.

I disagree with you there but I don't think either of us want to debate.

http://imgur.com/ks0uM64

what I actually look like sober

http://imgur.com/KE2aiMT

You sir, have greatly over estimated yourself.

I am simply relaying other people's opinion of me, not my own. Not to mention I was on drugs in this picture, and don't even look like that in person really.

Tom Brady came from a Satanic bloodline? What about him leads you to believe this?

Hey. Just out of curiosity. Assuming he is a creation of The Benevolent One (tbo), does somebody like Tom Brady KNOW that he is that? or does he just walk around thinking he just "ended up" this way by pure chance?

Interesting. So you're basically saying that one can actually be a creation of tbo and not know that that is their origin or lineage?

This I know :)

I've got the spiritual riches, the joy and the love, instead of the earthly riches of power and money.

Both are aspects of one identity, and as such, can be accessed, identified with (and as), and risen above by the right perspective and way of being.

If you truly are what you say you are, then you are scum. See the error of your ways - but I suspect we are all being trolled.

You are scum because your object of worship represents arrogance, greed, licentiousness and conflict. Were this not the case you would not need a 'blood oath' of secrecy. What are the 'moral principles' of your church? Or are those held secret too?

Having said that I still think that you are most likely having a laugh at the expense of the /r/conspiracy community... That or you are a frustrated teenager typing away in your Goth make up and black robes trying to be edgy.

Assuming you are for real, why the veil of secrecy? What do you have to hide? I ask this a as an Agnostic mind you. I find religion unconvincing in it's efforts at explaining the grand scheme of things but I am also a believer in the principles espoused by people like Jesus, Buddha and so on.

What are your thoughts on Saturn?

As apposed to a planet you believe to contain life?

What proof do you have that what you're doing and believing is legitimate?

Not proof for us, proof for you.

Are there a lot of high profile people in your religion?

I don't know anything about satanism. But am I wondering what is satan? I know that's a silly question, but isn't he said to have been one of gods angels that refused to serve man and so he was cast from heaven. I haven't read the bible.. So I don't know what the story is. In this why would satan reward humans that devote to him. Or is that story not real, then is satan just a being of some sort as god is?

So from this I assume then that god didn't create satan. So who created the universe and earth? Billions and billions of planets and stars in the universe just for life on earth?

This thread is heating up so I understand if you can't get back to me. Thanks for your response. This entire thread and your answers have really opened my eyes. Thanks.

I'm so glad you answered this. Your response fits so perfect to a theory of time I have been reading about. It's extremely complicated but says even now, what I am saying and doing I have always been doing and always will be. I was born, am being born forever. Every moment is happening, did happen, and will always happen. Really confusing. Anyways I probably explained that wrong, but they said that the brain puts everything in a linear fashion to comprehend time when really that's not how events have occurred. Thanks again. This thread has put a new perspective for me about what satanism means.

Are you 'baptised'?

What can you tell me about baptism?

Are you Luciferian then? I would be interested to know, as I knew several who claimed they were when I lived in New Haven.

Knew.

This is completely wrong. Lucifer is a spirit you can commune with today. He is on his way to Earth and will arrive in the relatively near future. He is not aligned with either Satan or Yahweh, and his followers are free to worship either of them. Lucifer is not good nor evil; Lucifer is power. Many of Yahweh's followers who are involved in the earth-realm spiritual war also pray to Lucifer and battle Satanists. ("Battle" being a bit of a stretch -- the awake followers who commune via their numbered foreheads (sometimes called 'the net') aren't allowed to kill each other.)

I signed off from the numbering system, so I'm allowed to kill you, and you me. FYI.

I suspect your indoctrination wants to hide the true nature of Lucifer from you. By portraying Lucifer as dead, you won't commune with him. In this way, you won't discover that Lucifer has no special affinity for Satan. In fact, Lucifer prefers Yahweh.

Learn to read. I never wrote that you were allowed to kill anyone. I wrote that participants in 'the net' are not.

What I meant by "and you me" is that although I have been part of the groups which do not kill and are not to be killed, I not longer am. If you are, then, no, you aren't allowed to kill me due to your own allegiance, not due to mine.

Hmmm the God and Satan you speak of kinda sound like Jacob and the Man in Black off of Lost. Are there similarities on purpose, as in did was a writer of Lost perhaps a member?

I was getting the same exact idea. It's almost eerily similar to the overarching plot of LOST. There could be some connection there..

It makes me think A)One of the producers knew of this religion or B)The OP got his idea of this religion from lost.

Are you familiar with this? If not, then I recommend you read it. If you are familiar with it, then how does it sound to you? How does it come across? What I find very interesting about the information contained therein is that a distillation of what it ultimately means reveals that things are very much NOT like how many people (including satanists themselves) think things are at all as it regards to satanism itself.

I'm not defending or rebuking it one way or the other. I'm simply making an observation as per what the first link I provided mentions.

What do you think about the information stated in the second link? Is that anywhere close to anything you understand or subscribe to?

I asked him/her this yesterday, and someone else did today as well. Check this thread for response.

Thank you. Reading through it right now, although the second link I provided offers a considerably different perspective on The Hidden Hand Interview that I wager no one else on this entire thread has delved into.

Also check the original thread in the Christan sub; that's where I asked. Link is somewhere in this thread too.

Looking through it pretty thoroughly right now. Thanks.

Is America's foreign policy dictated by the beliefs you and your family share? For example, was the US engaged in war in Afghanistan and the Middle East because of ulterior motives related to your belief's or other occult teachings? Perhaps a search for artifacts or some undiscovered archeological sites?

What about Israel?

This confuses me. The influence of the Israeli lobby in the US political system is well known, so if anything it would seem that the US is a pawn to Israeli rather then to the Vatican. There is certainly more evidence to show that. What are your views and of your religions views on Israel though?

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Serious question. No sarcasm here:

Does your line originate from the planet Venus? Does it originate from another planet other than this one (Earth)? Does your originator/god come from another planet? which one?

Well, I wasn't necessarily exclusively referring to only the physical, third dimensional aspect of existence on this or any other planet. A being can originate from this planet and exist upon it but still not be of the same dimension that you or I are on. There are many, many beings existing in and around this planet and other planets that are simply vibrating on different frequencies (than we are) and, as such, we are for the most part, not aware of them at all and never see them, etc.

The beings responsible for and presiding over your family and other families not truly being physical and third dimensional does not necessarily mean that they still can't originate from this particular planet none the less. They can, in theory, originate from a different dimension of this planetary area still. That would still, technically, make them FROM this planet - albeit from a different dimension of this planet.

So even though your god (and other "gods") exists outside of the law of physics, can the general "jurisdiction" of their "range of travel" (for lack of a better way of describing it) be said to reside more on (and from) THIS particular planet? or do they generally "reside" in another planetary area?

In other words, what spacial temporal area - whether it be a 3d, 4th, or 5th dimension (or above) - do they manifest in? this planet? another?

What is an estimate of people following your own religion? Since you mention six families, are there only around let's say100 people practicing it? In the same spirit, can people outside the families join? In case you are able to provide more info on this, then please PM me, I have the same curiosity as the two other users have expressed in this thread.

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I'm sorry I'm taking your time to ask you again. I have three more quick questions for you, as your comments here have made me really curious and I started researching a lot about ancient religions, including the Akkadian, Sumerian, Egyptian and Canaanite.

• Can the God of Abrahamic religions be also called "El"? Do you call him that in your religion? Is there a connection between him and the Elohim? Are they what we conceive his "Angels"?

• Also, I get that the Elohim's adversaries are the Nephelim, however, I can't find a reference to their creator, since they are either believed to be fallen "Angels" or the sons of Angels and men, eitherway created by the Abrahamic God. Are the Nephelim your God's "Angels"?

• And finally, you have avoided naming Satan with a name other than the common one that Christianity gives. What is the closest version of the name you refer to him in your religion, as for example Yahweh for God, other than "Benevolent One" "Him" and so on?

Please consider the last part of my previous comment. Thanks for taking the time to reply to me, and for this really interesting AMA.

Since you've checked out the Hidden Hand interview - is the part about "the great harvest" accurate according to your beliefs?

your thoughts on the other major religions? obviously you are the counterpart to christians, are there counter parts to the others?

aight if thats how you want to play it, i dont really care, the main point was about the other religions and your thoughts on them etc, sorry for touching a nerve there

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But would you say your religion promotes a "service to self" outlook?

Would you say that your religion is more service to self than that of your creator's adversary's religion?

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Any Christian writers/preachers/teachers you have heard that you can say present accurate information? I understand that your views oppose each other's - but do you respect any particular teachers for how they present their views and for the accuracy of their info?

Why don't you simply correct them?

Can you tell me your god's name?

I am curious about your thoughts on pre-marital sex and homosexuals, are they already signed up for "Satan's" side?

Much appreciated on the swift responses, you've had me captivated for the last few hours. Whether this is an elaborate tall tale or not, I have now confronted some questions about my spirituality that I would have not dealt with otherwise; so thank you.

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Is there a connection between the alleged pedophillia rings and your religion?

I ask because you mentioned that innocent children play a role in your rituals. Can you expand on this?

God worship seems to identify itself with the concept of the light. Do you identify with the darkness, or is that a LaVeyian theme only?

Do you believe that Lucifer and Nebuchadnezzar were the same being?

Ah, I see.. that was my "insight' to it as well.. mainly due to Nebuchadnezzar being referred to as "The Shining One" or "The Son of the Morning" and Lucifer translating to "Light Bearer", if there was a connection between the two through that.

I must say, your comments are quite intriguing.. And I suppose I have one more question.. I've read that you believe that Angels and Demons are of the same species, and they are usually the ones behind 'ghosts' and 'hauntings.'

I suppose my next question would be, why would they involve themselves in the lives of men? Do they act as 'guides' or 'hints' in a way that could lead a person to believing in either God or Satan? Would their characteristic actions be of something that sways a mans opinion and belief? Do they have free will?

Is there any room in your beliefs of those who are.. more sensitive to perceiving the spiritual world? Are certain individuals of more interest to the spirits than others?

My apologies if my questions cross into an area that may violate your oath, but again, I am quite curious.

Satan's version of Man seems to be superior in many ways, what is it about God's version of Man that He believes to be superior to Satan's? Is it a spiritual advantage? Do God's humans have souls and Satan's do not? There must be something that God sees as a huge advantage over such an incredible specimen that Satan has created.

Was 9/11 a mega-ritual?

Nothing to do with the masonic pillars and checkerboard floor?

Then why did you admit that the innocence of children is used in ritual when I showed you this clip? If Satanists aren't responsible for that ritual, who else?

What are your thoughts on Aleister Crowley?

Do your people take claim to Jerusalem or any of the other holy cities? Or was it kinda "fuck that" after Atlantis?

Outside of metaphysical ritual, which is a Family secret, it sounds as simple as being thankful for your positive mental and physical attributes, and using them to excell to your maximum potential, all the while remembering that it was 'Him' who gave you these things, and that you exist to prove a point, and following the six commandments. Did I miss anything or is it really that simple?

One more thing, what about homosexuality? What's the satanist consensus on this issue?

• Do the events of 9/11 have anything to do with members of your religion?
• Are significantly powerful politicians members of your religions, and are they motivated to grab/maintain their power for religious purposes?
• Are non-members your sworn enemy, even if they don't know it?
• What happens if you violate your oath? Would your family outcast/kill you?

Is covering up of one eye in photographs a sign of being part of your religion?

Where were you going with this question? I'm curious.

Just curiosity. Lots of celebrities that speak like they are "Getting theirs" to please "the man" take pictures like that.

I really wish this dude had given some verifiable info. Because when I first read this thread I was like "bullshit". Although now with the pope and the prophecies claiming the new pope will usher in end of the Church and what this guy said about the coming antichrist, I am really intrigued.

Yeah, he seemed very knowledgeable. If you read this whole thing then watch the bob dylan interview its like oh shit this is real

Yea I just wish he gave us a small shred of evidence, I pmed him about where to look and he said "look into ancient Sumeria, then seek him out", but its hard enough research Ancient Sumeria then you add all that alien annukai flying saucer bullshit and you get lost.

Look into ancient Sumeria and seek him out? meaning antichrist or who in reference too? I liked the dude honestly, its almost refreshing to know that true "satanists" dont see as mean and awful as the sterotype

Seek out his actual god, aka Satan, the Benevolent One, Lucifer. Idk I think I kinda figured some shit out, but idk.

Post it bro!

Satan is actually a good guy greg. You should alter their placement holder names and call your Satan - God. And call God - Satan.

I watched a movie about the trilateral commision and that is a theme i picked up out of it

Don't know about that but it should be obvious as fuck to anyone who reads the bible without presuppositions.

Assuming you are correct both are kinda pricks for leaving us hanging. Like absent parents.

Many struggle with the concept that good and evil are human inventions.

Nope Satan is definitely a better dude than God.

the ratio of people killed in scripture by god and satan is hilarious

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Thank you for taking your time.

Just one more thing, since your family is one of the 6 families protecting the religion, it is expected of you to find someone inside your religion and continue it, right?

(sorry if I don't make much sense, English isn't my native language)

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Fair enough. You should know this subreddit is regularly trolled by r/conspiratard.

Your story doesn't generally appear believable invoking names like Jesus and Satan which aren't very believable in themselves.

don't any of these entities have any phonetic correspondance to english? maybe some kind of tonal qualities when invoking them? please understand my skepticism. it's hard to fathom what you mean when you say Satan but not Satan.

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Do you support/practice Satanic ritual abuse? (i.e. murder, child molestation, animal sacrifices, etc).

Do you have any connections to Michael Aquino or the Temple of Set?

Do you believe he had any role in the raping of children at the Presidio Army daycare in the '80s?

Thanks.

Whew! That's very comforting. Thanks for your reply.

its all a story unfolding correct? eye have seen the truth i cant believe how humbling it all is. i am not crazy for believing that you guys have been waiting for this awakening for a while.....so many dots have connected the story has shown me the truth its so so so beautiful. i have so many questions. we WILL change it....

Do you believe there is an anti-christ? If so, are they currently in human form? Also, this counter punch you talk of.. care to share a little more?

Been reading through the comments in this thread. 100% different from the usual.. nice post OP.

ONELOVE AND PEACE

In your opinion, who is the anti-christ? Or would that be breaking your oath sigh

Jesus, or Hitler? Either way this thread is absolutely fascinating in the best way.

I'm on my phone and scrolling through looking for hints is a pain in mon derrière. Obama? It's Obama isn't it.

I didn't think so. Prince Charles? Royal blood? It's royal blood isn't it.

would we even know his name? seems unlikely that we would know this guy already.

We would possibly know his human name? You make a good point though

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Tom Cruise.

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Ok, so is this guy like feminine handsome or rugged manly handsome? No homo.

Commenting here for the sake of discussion... I am still somewhat resistant to the validity of your claims.

Can your previously stated clues be make available to others so a wider audience can pursue this? (Just a friendly reminder that PM's only appear in one users inbox and aren't available to the people following the thread).

Can we assume he already has significant political power in the U.S.?

Is this individual even in the entertainment industry? It seems most are guessing "movie star" types when he might not be such at all. He might be, but it shouldn't be assumed that he is.

He's a good looking public figure, presumably white (right? I mean the dude ain't Prince after all, is it?) but that has immense power...so one would think something even deeper than and entertainer right?

I hope somebody figures this out. I think somebody is going to have to get a lucky guess, though. Knowing that he's a good looking man from the U.S. seems like not very much to go on. Lol.

So, is he in the public eye?

Keanu reeves? ;)

My other two guesses are bill gates and Monsanto? I didn't see if you (op) answered, did I miss it?

Is it Arnold Swarchenegger? I asked this in a different part of the thread but because I didn't reply to you directly I thought it may get lost. My reasoning for thinking it might be him is because Hitler is also Austrian.

It sounds almost like God and Satan are either brothers in a sort of sibling rivalry dynamic or possibly buddies from way back who made a bet.

The all seeing eye is our eyes or rather eye. A "camera at eye level" implanted in each of us by advanced technology (non human). I completely agree with the OP all this is to prove a point (win a bet). Time is non linear and easy to manipulate for our creators which they do often. I suspect we are a source of entertainment more than anything for them. The parasitic extra dimensional beings that feed on fear (although I think our fear is more like a drug to them rather than a necessity for them to survive). They get high on it and are addicted to it and like any junky they want to be and stay high hence the agreement with our ruling class in which they receive advanced technology in exchange for human sacrifices which the governments provide on the regular. Hence the millions of missing persons that occur each year. In the end though none of this even matters because in the GodMind it's already happened and been resolved, with our limited perspective we just aren't aware of that. Infinite dimensions co-exist in which we all play roles, this is just one of them. Am I sort of on the right track here?

Thanks for your time in starting and maintaining this thread. I love this stuff and don't have people around me that are capable of or willing to explore these sorts of topics.

I read in a John Titor thread that there is an AC and a False Profit. The AC according to that thread is Prince Harry and the False Profit is a not famous guy who lives in the Midwest of the US. Is that correct?

Thank you for answering. Can I trouble you to explain why Obama has an enormous scar on his head and when did he get it? I'm sure we would have noticed it when he first was placed as top puppet.

I have difficulty believing that you would not have any ideas or information on something that I think would be crucial information about the "the leader of the free world" (she wrote sarcastically). It looks like his head was take apart and reassembled for Christ sake (couldn't resist). That seems like info that would be pertinent to you running the show. Yeah?

Ok, vatican, got it. I'll rephrase the question. Based on your station and being privy to information about esoteric knowledge that is not part of the "everyday" kind of people, is there some kind of ritual or unknown science that his handlers do or would do to some one in his position. Like implanting stuff in his brain or is he likely a clone or some other type of bio-robot? If you had to guess, knowing the things you do, what do you suspect might have been done to him? Thank you.

Do you know anything about the alien savior the vatican is supposedly preparing for?

And is the American anti-christ involved in politics currently?

Is it Justin Bieber?

With the beast, the anti-christ, or whatever as spoken about in Revelation. The beast will be given power of the saints to kill them. Satan will rule the entire world for a time at the head of a one world government.

But then Jesus is coming back one last time and is going to destroy all those who follow the beast. Not much of a counter punch, lol.

you could have put a SPOILER ALERT in there. DAMN, now I'm just not going to watch the movie at all.

Can you elaborate on this? Is there a "last day/battle" you believe in? Is it known to you?

Benjamin Netanyahu calls for the US to nuke Syria/Iran/China/NK/Russia, they do, war breaks out, a billion+ people die (god followers of course), the anti christ benjamin netanyahu becomes leader of the one world government and religion.

I have literally no idea. That was a brain fart.

You have said this a few times now; could you (or anyone else, for that matter) explain how Jesus' death on the cross provided a tactical advantage of any kind in the "cosmic battle" that is underway ? The Universal's have claimed this for centuries but it doesn't make any sense that this is somehow a "victory", unless he was actually your side's agent, and killing him off got him to shut up.

So, when the scriptures say things such as Jesus sits at the right hand of God, or that he is the fulness of the godhead bodily, or that he is the express image of the Almighty God...you actually agree with/believe those things also?

So what happened to Jesus after he was crucified?

Edit - just throwing another question in this comment.

What is your take on this? Do you think the coming of the anti-christ will cause civil unrest and massive uprising, hence all the domestic training? Also, in your opinion, will there be a second coming of christ? Could the anti-christ disguise themselves as christ?

So many questions.

this is so surreal dude thankyou.

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God gets thrills from fomenting fake Satanism? this is getting more entertaining. I wonder what happens on Earth when God gets a thrill - sundogs?

Their is One Creator. His name is truth. Satan was created and is an aspect of "God": One of gods many slaves, perhaps his greatest slave. Satan exists as per His unknowable will. To deceive and lead souls astray. And in turn you are the slave of the greatest slave.

Occult powers will earn you nothing but punishment in the afterlife. The angel of death will come for you. You will be judged harshly.

Edit: Do you worship Idols?

Do you actually believe this or are you trolling?

No and no.

Have you read Paradise Lost by Milton? Does the representation of Lucifer match your view from your religion?

Are you sure you are a Satanist and not a follower of Lucifer?

We don't call ourselves Satanists though.

So what do you call yourselves? By the way, it was your title which advised me that I should call you a Satanist, so your objection seems a little strange, even defensive.

I understand this is how you have been trained. What I am saying is that you are wrong, and as a matter of fact I have never read Paradise Lost, nor any of the related fictional accounts.

The fact that you can only fall back on "Waaah, Paradise Lost" indicates very strongly that you don't have any evidence to support your claim that Lucifer is Satan. Providing ad hominem "negative evidence" which is completely false (again, I have never read Paradise Lost and I am not familiar with even a summary of it), is another strong indication that you have no real information to back up your view.

You have the brain-washing your parents gave you. Congratulations.

Again, you can commune with Lucifer today if you like. That's because he's not a dead Babylonian king.

So let me get this straight. Your claim is that Lucifer is not Satan, but Satan is Lucifer? WTF?

Have fun with your family lie. LOL

Have you seen Eye Wide Shut?

Yahweh is God, the only God. Satan is a fallen angel. Satan is real, yes, but his power is equated to zero in comparison to Yahweh.

It is not a fundamental flaw if the Holy Scripture I follow calls Lucifer, who is Satan, an angel who was cast out of Heaven. Nothing is flawed about a Christian believing what the Word says.

Revelation 12: 7-12 - "And war broke out in heaven: Mi′chael and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled 8 but it did not prevail, neither was a place found for them any longer in heaven. 9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice in heaven say: “Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our God! 11 And they conquered him because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their witnessing, and they did not love their souls even in the face of death. 12 On this account be glad, YOU heavens and YOU who reside in them! Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to YOU, having great anger, knowing he has a short period of time."

Isaiah 14:12-15 - How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

It's quite obvious, at least in the Word of God, that Satan and Lucifer are the same being, just called different things at times.

Do you practice with a congregation of other Satanists?

How does one "serve" Satan and if one did serve him, what guarantee would that person have that Satan might reward that service with anything but a seat closer to the hell fire? Assuming there is hell fire, of course.

I watched a movie about the trilateral commision and that is a theme i picked up out of it

So said Jim Jones.

Are these Six Families having "big names" or leading more private Lives?

Are there "closet satanist" in the vatican?

Do from your knowledge all religions "play" a part in the "Law of One"?

Do you think that Extraterrestrial Beings or "Demons" exist?

You said "extreme practics" would be not the true intention of satanism doesen't this conflict with this answer on how to join?

"Through a pretty vigorous test of human will and sacrifice. I did not have to do it because I was born into it, but I've witnessed it and it does not look like much fun at all."

Are you fluent in Akkadian?

Well I suck at pottery.

agreed on the female side (for me), cant speak for the male.

It's like how Jews might refer to their god as "YHWH". YHWH is not his real name.

The Greek Gods were...impulsive shit heads.

They sure sound like they were.

Thanks for the further elucidation and explanation.

Haha yeah I didn't think you could elaborate on subjects like these just wanted to hear what you were allowed to say. Thanks.

Then what is our purpose here? Just a big tug of war to see who can get more people on his side?

I didn't think so. Prince Charles? Royal blood? It's royal blood isn't it.

Thank you for the reply! can this be done through my basic understanding of prayer? if so then I'll let him help me from there :)

No and no.

Can you elaborate on the, sort of 'dimension' or 'realm of existence' people go to when projecting or having an OBE?

So what happened to Jesus after he was crucified?

Edit - just throwing another question in this comment.

What is your take on this? Do you think the coming of the anti-christ will cause civil unrest and massive uprising, hence all the domestic training? Also, in your opinion, will there be a second coming of christ? Could the anti-christ disguise themselves as christ?

So many questions.

Ok, vatican, got it. I'll rephrase the question. Based on your station and being privy to information about esoteric knowledge that is not part of the "everyday" kind of people, is there some kind of ritual or unknown science that his handlers do or would do to some one in his position. Like implanting stuff in his brain or is he likely a clone or some other type of bio-robot? If you had to guess, knowing the things you do, what do you suspect might have been done to him? Thank you.

Do you know anything about the alien savior the vatican is supposedly preparing for?

And is the American anti-christ involved in politics currently?