Is it tyranny?

33  2013-01-28 by arealitychecker

Lets play a fun game of is it tyranny. I was watching an interview with polish man talking about the soviet. He said something very wise "between society there is one simple test for tyranny. Are you afraid of the police?" So simple yet painfully accurate.

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NYPD are thugs. Literal jack booted thugs. I know we all have welcome my friend to the police state. Yes they aren't protecting and serving they are generating revenue and harassing.

As long as you don't become poor, you'll be okay.

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Trust us it's union faults. Don't pay any attention to our soaring profits and falling wages. It's all those dirty pinkos. Yea I know the felling i've never been in a union, and doubt I will. I live in the south, and my state is a "right to work state" coupled with weakened collective bargaining rights unions are almost nonexistent.

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That was sarcasm if you couldn't detect it. No I don't enjoy being paid shit, but I don't have a choice in the matter.

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Union were log ago bought out by the corporations that owned them. They are pathetic husk of what they used to be. I agree they don't have your best interests at heart. Just look at UAW they sold their guys out over and over.

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I switch between "serious" post mode, and sarcasm too often. It comes across a lot better when you can hear the inflection I use vocally. Most unions I meant. I've seen a few unions in specialized industries like yours that still do function, but the trade union can never be broken these trace back to the guilds of old. What has been broken is the support of the trade union for the labor unions. There is no solidarity anymore. Don't get me started on the "business unions" these are just an external HR department for the company they aren't a fucking union. I wish we could unionize. In-fact we've talked of it in the office before, but we all came to the conclusion we'd be fired en mass if we attempted, which would not violate the law of the state we are in. Granted they can't openly fire you for starting a union, but they can for any other reason under the sun including no reason. Oh "right to work." On an unrelated note I love the word games they play oh it's your right to be a cog in the corporate system.

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You mean people parrot off this corporate view point spewed by the media, as no thinking person would hold that view. Unless they are some capitalist tycoon scum-fuck.

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I had a manger once convince an entire store of 150+ people, NOT to unionize because he didnt think you should have to pay to be in a union..... i was the only fucking one that knew better and here we are now stuck at a pay cap and required to do 10X more work because "we have been there long enough and should just know how it should be done."

We have a very minimal amount of unions up here in Alberta and I'd like to keep it that way. Every union guy I have ever worked with was entitled and lazy. Always trying to work the system rather than just work. With proper labour laws in place and a competitive environment, unions are not necessary.

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The unions I've been apart of we're the Safeway union (for a few months when I was 18) and the AUPE (the Alberta Union of Public Employees). Nothing much to say about the Safeway union but the AUPE was a joke. I would waste an hour going back to the shop for a 15 minute coffee break. Lots of little things like that drove me nuts. They would not let me just radio in and kick my feet up in a park for my break.

We get a lot of power engineers from Ontario coming out here to work and once they experience our work culture they hate how it was run in out east. No bullshit. Just go to work and get paid. No one is taking a cut except for the government.

I can only speak to my experience and what I hear from my coworkers. I'm sure unions have a place, but they don't have much of a presence in Alberta. I believe it is around 23%, a good portion of those being public workers.

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Well there are no unions in my line of work (oil field operator) so it's not really comparable. Competition dictates our wages and it is a very competitive market.

just a suggestion, look at moving to Australia to work in the mining industry here.

I am a technical worker I don't do manual labor, but I have consider your neighbor New Zealand.

The pay is terrible in New Zealand.

My buddy's a boilermaker. Makes a fucking ton of money up here in Canada.

Maybe you should check out if it's possible to do it here ?

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You have to apply for asylum cite your fears of loss of civil liberties and warmongering. It helps if you have a Canadian citizen to sponsor you.

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You are human regardless of legal status. If you can prove you truly fear for your liberties and safety they are compelled by international law to take you.

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Well if you don't wish to make the argument then will likely not grant it to you.

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Well I am not familiar with your situation. Depending on the type charge and number of charges you can immigrate anyway. ( mainly only if you have a sexual or violent felony will it cause serious issues). Even with one of these if you make your asylums case well enough they can't use them to deny your claim. I'd contact an immigration lawyer if you are truly serious.

For now...

Out of honest curiousity what ethnicity are you?

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Imagine how bad it would be if you were black.

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Because the cops understand who they work for... thanks for the insight. Well said. Sadly, all stupidest people I have ever known in my life I want to cops. I think they just want to have the power trip and they understand that all they need is a bent moral compass. In other words, so long as they don't make a fuss they that they won't have to have any virtues of merit to stay in their career

Stop thinking in just arbitrary racial and divisionary terms. We are all human fighting against a corrupt government. Racial lines are used by the powerful to subjugate the many. Until we all realize that we're all one there will always be quasi-justified violence against the few.

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I've had cops try to take me to jail, but I've always beat them in the courts. I'm not some sheltered child I've been at anti-war protest (First when I wast 16 quite awhile ago). Seen first hand citizens get their skulls beaten in by what I can only describe as robot cops with 2x4s. You missed my point! class is another pointless division between otherwise equal humans. DO NOT internalize these system of division they are created to keep us subjugated. You have what I like to call "been there know more" bias, and refuse to hear other view point because you have had first hand experience. Guess what so have other people.

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being a white drug dealer

You were violating the law, as much as I disagree with drug laws you can't complain when you knowingly engaged in criminal activity. It's an illegal business and you got caught. They were doing their chosen job you were doing your chosen job. It's a sad state of affairs, but I wouldn't blame the cops rather the law makers for pass such unamerican legislation. Also NARC units are very corrupt (I've had them attempt to plant drug in my car trust me I understand) probably only went after you for cutting into their business, as NARC units get caught over and over running drugs.

Night.

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I am not familiar with your situation so I can't speak to it, but yes I wouldn't blame the cops for the drug war. They didn't start it and infact most police chiefs are against it.

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That's not exactly true. Police unions lobby for harsher drug laws, and constantly oppose decriminalization for the sole purpose of job security.

Unions != police leadership

I understand that change happens from the bottom, and don't you chastise me talking about rights. I understand the inherent fascism in the drug war. A free man doesn't have the state tell them what they can and can't do what their body. I KNOW! Don't blame the cops they don't write the laws.

Never before in the history of America have such important rights be under so much threat.

Bullshit I've heard this over and over that fascism has never happened in America. What about the coal strikes in the 1800s? The government literally called up the national guard to gundown striking miners. Tyranny is nothing new we've dealt with it since we began forming societies. Unenforceable is the wrong word. Rather they are unconstitutional laws passed by an out of control sociopathic congress.

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Fascism is what we are dealing with. The merger of state and corporate power to increase profits. The whole reason drugs are illegal is they are alternatives to already legal and profitable drugs, as well as patented chemical cocktails from big pharma. Tyranny is the logical outgrowth of this dark marriage.

EDIT: not to mention the for profit prison state.

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Well not to mention those CIA planes that keep crashing full of tones of cocaine. All the admission to congress and in federal courts about running drug etc. So yes the intelligence agency run drugs to fund black ops. That's fairly common knowledge in "conspiracy" circles. I wasn't denying that. They use drugs to create a secondary class of citizens (drug felons) to justify state violence and repression. It's classic divide an conquer.

Control of public information and opinion

It begins with withholding information, and leads to putting out false or misleading information. A government can develop ministries of propaganda under many guises. They typically call it "public information" or "marketing".

Vote fraud used to prevent the election of reformers

It doesn't matter which of the two major party candidates are elected if no real reformer can get nominated, and when news services start knowing the outcomes of elections before it is possible for them to know, then the votes are not being honestly counted. Undue official influence on trials and juries Nonrandom selection of jury panels, exclusion of those opposed to the law, exclusion of the jury from hearing argument on the law, exclusion of private prosecutors from access to the grand jury, and prevention of parties and their counsels from making effective arguments or challenging the government.

Usurpation of undelegated powers

This is usually done with popular support for solving some problem, or to redistribute wealth to the advantage of the supporters of the dominant faction, but it soon leads to the deprivation of rights of minorities and individuals.

Seeking a government monopoly on the capability and use of armed force

The first signs are efforts to register or restrict the possession and use of firearms, initially under the guise of "protecting" the public, which, when it actually results in increased crime, provides a basis for further disarmament efforts affecting more people and more weapons.

Militarization of law enforcement

Declaring a "war on crime" that becomes a war on civil liberties. Preparation of military forces for internal policing duties. Infiltration and subversion of citizen groups that could be forces for reform Internal spying and surveillance is the beginning. A sign is false prosecutions of their leaders.

Suppression of investigators and whistleblowers

When people who try to uncover high level wrongdoing are threatened, that is a sign the system is not only riddled with corruption, but that the corruption has passed the threshold into active tyranny. Use of the law for competition suppression It begins with the dominant faction winning support by paying off their supporters and suppressing their supporters' competitors, but leads to public officials themselves engaging in illegal activities and using the law to suppress independent competitors. A good example of this is narcotics trafficking. Subversion of internal checks and balances This involves the appointment to key positions of persons who can be controlled by their sponsors, and who are then induced to do illegal things. The worst way in which this occurs is in the appointment of judges that will go along with unconstitutional acts by the other branches.

Creation of a class of officials who are above the law

This is indicated by dismissal of charges for wrongdoing against persons who are "following orders".

Increasing dependency of the people on government

The classic approach to domination of the people is to first take everything they have away from them, then make them compliant with the demands of the rulers to get anything back again. Increasing public ignorance of their civic duties and reluctance to perform them When the people avoid doing things like voting and serving in militias and juries, tyranny is not far behind.

Use of staged events to produce popular support

Acts of terrorism, blamed on political opponents, followed immediately with well-prepared proposals for increased powers and budgets for suppressive agencies. Sometimes called a Reichstag plot. Conversion of rights into privileges Requiring licenses and permits for doing things that the government does not have the delegated power to restrict, except by due process in which the burden of proof is on the petitioner.

Political correctness

Many if not most people are susceptible to being recruited to engage in repressive actions against disfavored views or behaviors, and led to pave the way for the dominance of tyrannical government.

Yes. yes. YES! Sadly very few people stare your level of clarity when assessing the situation. They are doing it right in front of our face. Our government hasn't yet converted to the degree required to secretly carry out these actions. They are trying desperately to punish whistle-blowers. To stop the leaks and keep the illusion of just free government going as long as possible. They know if the illusion dies they die. Even with all their thugs, goons, assault rifles, drones, and tanks they can't keep hold of power with might alone. Might no longer makes right. Might may result in power, but not legitimate power as it did in the past. this fact alone gives me hope that maybe just maybe as a whole humanity can transcend the cycle of violence that is top-down governance.

You cannot be abrupt when passing laws, it's a long game. Laws spread out over a longer period of time brings less attention than it would if laws were all passed on the same day. Connect the dots and see what laws have been passed, what they comprise of and what potential they have when put together. They are a chain of events with an intended goal that must not bring too much attention and that is why it is done over many years.

There is a different between writing it on paper, and what is happening. I will paraphrase a famous German general "Studying the Americans manuals and regulations seem to be pointless as they don't appear to follow or even read them." If they truly attempted to enforce the draconian regulations and laws they have passed there would be a revolt this is well understood. What is happening is they pass these horrific laws, and selective enforce them against small groups that act against the state interests. It's the prelude to any conversion to an openly fascist state. First you have to slowly erode the rule of law this took decades in Germany and I think will take much longer in the USA. Granted they've been at it for a few decades already.

How many Americans are aware enough to understand that they SHOULD be afraid of the police?

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Link?

I really like that quote!

Well I'd say all the minorities have always been afraid of the police. So what does that say?

I'm afraid of the police but I don't really think that means anything serious.

How does that boot feel on your neck? Do you like it?

I switch between "serious" post mode, and sarcasm too often. It comes across a lot better when you can hear the inflection I use vocally. Most unions I meant. I've seen a few unions in specialized industries like yours that still do function, but the trade union can never be broken these trace back to the guilds of old. What has been broken is the support of the trade union for the labor unions. There is no solidarity anymore. Don't get me started on the "business unions" these are just an external HR department for the company they aren't a fucking union. I wish we could unionize. In-fact we've talked of it in the office before, but we all came to the conclusion we'd be fired en mass if we attempted, which would not violate the law of the state we are in. Granted they can't openly fire you for starting a union, but they can for any other reason under the sun including no reason. Oh "right to work." On an unrelated note I love the word games they play oh it's your right to be a cog in the corporate system.

Well I am not familiar with your situation. Depending on the type charge and number of charges you can immigrate anyway. ( mainly only if you have a sexual or violent felony will it cause serious issues). Even with one of these if you make your asylums case well enough they can't use them to deny your claim. I'd contact an immigration lawyer if you are truly serious.

Fascism is what we are dealing with. The merger of state and corporate power to increase profits. The whole reason drugs are illegal is they are alternatives to already legal and profitable drugs, as well as patented chemical cocktails from big pharma. Tyranny is the logical outgrowth of this dark marriage.

EDIT: not to mention the for profit prison state.