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10k+ readers

10k accounts, probably a fraction real users. They literally create dozens of accounts daily - you can see them cropping up here fresh as a daisy posting anti-conspiracy rhetoric.

This is their play book (not literally, but they do follow these patterns): http://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm

That's a fantastic link Joe.

Literally le evil

They use the multiple accounts to downvote anything and everything that provokes any kind of analytical thinking.

Also they like to make imitation reddit names that closely resemble subscribers of r/conspiracy. I think there are a few in this very thread.

One thing positive about them, flamewars draw a LOT more attention than circlejerks. In a way they do this sub a favor.

They really aren't obsessed with this sub. Yes they do post things about this subreddit, but the majority of posts are about conspiracy theories in general and include links not related to this subreddit.

I mean you'd have to feel pretty emotionally threatened to feel the need to do that

Bingo.

Cognitive dissonance at its best, and they come here and tell us that we have problems.

Exactly. What is so weird is they say that we invent these conspiracies to find comfort in a chaotic world, yet they don't even believe in them and they find them so disturbing that they devote huge amounts of their energy into trying to disprove them.

The fact that there is a belief that comfort is to be found in the theories posted doesn't add up to me. How on earth does someone derive comfort from coming to a conclusion that what they thought they knew is not only untrue, but a fabrication. The last thing I get personally from realizing what I thought was true is in fact an orchestrated lie is comfort. I get just the opposite in fact.

I couldn't agree more. Realizing the truth of these conspiracies is very troubling, and to make it even more so is the fact that you have to wonder how most of the population can't or won't see them given how glaringly obvious some of them are, but instead choose to belittle or demonize people that question what they are told by official sources.

They attempt to disprove them using known disinfo sites too, like thinkprogress.org or mediamatters both George Soros funded rags. Those and mainstream press.

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Something can't simultaneously be a "fun thought experiment" and "quite easy" (this doublethink, or inability to see inherent contradictions is a defining characteristic of your ilk). You aren't disproving anything. You are just a scared little delusional bitch, its really that simple.

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I'm sure it seems that way to you.

which is why I'm confused about this part:

i genuinely don't think the government has any interest in what the comments section of a thread on reddit looks like.

what group would be so emotionally threatened by this information getting out? the federal government and all the corrupt people who go along with it.

who has enough money in the budget to hire hundreds/thousands of people to go online and post comments all day in order to sway public opinion? Probably the DHS/TSA/FBI/CIA/NSA/etc.

shilling is definitely a real thing

http://www.reddit.com/user/TheGhostOfNoLibs

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Unpaid shills are still shills.

what now?

there was a (legit source) article posted on here within the last 2 weeks talking about how the government pays people to comment on your shit and watch what you do.

While I do believe the government pays people to comment on certain sites, that does not necessarily mean that this particular site is flooded with, or even has, shills. When someone posts something completely ignorant it should be downvoted and ignored, but claiming someone is a shill simply for asking a question or bringing up an argument should not be an acceptable response.

Read me if you feel the same way as OP please read.

A lot of the grief comes from the outrageous claims that can be made as a conspiracy. Sometimes these can be humorous, I believe in UFO's for example - but someone who hasn't researched it might find it funny and I would too - it's just the nature of it.

Now, I'm sure we have some tin foil nut jobs in here. But as a collective most of the material and discussion posted here is on the basis that everyone's done some kind of research into the matters. That's normal, if I go to /r/buildapc I'd assume people know what intel are and AMD. Likewise if I post here about 9-11 I'd assume people are aware of its controversy.

So the reason we get trolls and insults is because our claims are rightly humorous to someone who hasn't looked into it (or at least seen our case for it). But we shouldn't need to vet and source every single thing every time because that's time consuming and as I said before, a hardware subreddit don't clarify what they mean by 'hard drives' in ever post.

So how can we tackle this? A while a go I set up /r/Vetting and the idea was that if someone had a thread about 9-11 in /r/conspiracy then they'd inevitably come up against debate and maybe even flames/trolling. And this would happen for every post. But if one person made one post on /r/Vetting then both sides would have to post sources and discuss their points. Then everytime 9-11 was referenced in a new /r/conpsiracy thread, users could simply reference the r/Vetting thread.

It will stop us having to go over things over and over, hopefully clean up the subreddit a bit and should deter trolls. If we want to be taken seriously, we should put up a serious effort.

Just to re-iterate, I'm not saying how this subreddit should be used, but I believe people should be able to speak their mind and engage in discussion as per the sidebar. If people want to make threads on r/Vetting to back their claims up or redirect people looking for sources - all the better.

One thing to be aware of: some of the naysayers are not sincere, and will never, ever agree with any statement you make, no matter how well you support it.

First they laugh at you...

Just focus on truth - always on truth. No matter what people say, what things you read, facts are facts and they lead to the ultimate find: the truth.

There are people paid here to throw off others, piss people off just for the diversion, and the general bot/child user that belongs to \r\conspiratard.

"Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to getcha." Someone

Nirvana lyrics, almost right. ("doesn't mean that they're not after you")

Territorial Pissings - off Nevermind

I think this guy's a shill, guys.

Upvote for not calling anyone a shill

And i don't buy the whole 'shill' thing - i genuinely don't think the government has any interest in what the comments section of a thread on reddit looks like.

I think those efforts target blogs moreso than forums like this.

On reddit, We are all little dogs yapping at the feet of an elephant.

The human psyche is very vulnerable to manipulation, which manifests as cognitive dissonance. Go tell a patriotic military member they have blood on their hands, or go tell a bible thumping "believer" that religion flies planes into buildings. I have done both and you will get snarled at for offering to unlock their cage.

Author and de-programmer Fritz Springmeier says that most people have built in "slides" that short circuit the mind's critical examination process when it comes to certain sensitive topics. "Slides", Springmeier reports, is a CIA term for a conditioned type of response which dead ends a person's thinking and terminates debate or examination of the topic at hand. For example, the mention of the word "conspiracy" often solicits a slide response with many people.

What most people believe to be "Public Opinion" is in reality carefully crafted and scripted propaganda designed to elicit a desired behavioral response from the public. Public opinion polls are really taken with the intent of gauging the public's acceptance of the New World Order's planned programs. A strong showing in the polls tells them that the programming is "taking", while a poor showing tells the NWO manipulators that they have to recast or "tweak" the programming until the desired response is achieved. - http://www.threeworldwars.com/new-world-order.htm

I believe the majority of people of /r/conspiracy and most critical thinkers have broken past this conditioned "slider" effect.

Angry, scared people who refuse to admit there is anything outside of their own worldview come here to disrupt discussions and troll on a regular basis. Yes some wild claims are made here and yes some of the posts cannot be taken seriously but some of the information is well researched and basis for solid debate. It is the same with any serious topic that you can debate on the internet, look up anything and you will find half the information is misleading, it is our job to sift through it all to find the small portions of truth hidden within.

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle-

The world would be a far greater place if more people understood this.

This sub not only represents a lot of truth, but represents an aspect of the truth that we are told that is real, extremely powerful, and very nefarious. That power and influence works hard at making sure that the masses remain confused and at odds, and a lot of agents are sent here to disrupt those that start getting too close to the truth.

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I don't know, man. Certainly plenty of nutty shit gets posted here, but some good alternative news does as well. What's more, because the spectrum is as you say, impossibly broad, we're actually less susceptible to the type of groupthink you see in places like /r/politics. People here will call eachother out far more regularly than they do.

You do have some valid points, but I'd stop short of saying nothing of substance is discussed here.

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No worries and I did not down vote you. Down voting is for posts that do not contribute to the conversation, not for posts you disagree with.

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Hell, don't I know it. I've sometimes been outright insulting to get people to respond (and because I can be a hothead) only to back off slightly so as to engage in civil discourse.

I don't know why you're downvoted... A lot of what you said is true. People do post crazy and stupid shit on here because they are crazy.

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Agreed, the sub should be titled "alternative news and history". Like I stated previously, your mods are working against you by not banning people adding nothing to a discussion.

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How old is he? Seriously?

You need a hug and more Jesus. Wow.

Well 6? 5? Yes. Seriously? Or close enough. We are childish when we behave childishly.

And why would I need to be ensnared in more Semitic / Anti-Semitic games by the troll of fundamentalist sub-Zionist [likely christian] parents?

To do what the real Jesus (or goth with a razor and an arm) would do when told to?

r/atheism (◔̯◔),

r/Christianity (◔̯◔),

'I dont believe in 'shill' (◔̯◔),

"Don't you see how pathetic you are not being me?! I'm trying to help you realize that!! If you'll let me come in and have a little chat with you about about master Sagan (our guide) I'm sure we will be able to come to realize that together!! Wouldn't that be niiiice? (◔̯◔),

i genuinely don't think the government has any interest in what the comments section of a thread on reddit looks like. (i.e. 'the Government' according to the 'liitle onlysaneman 'Heir' from r/atheism = r/conspiritard') (◔̯◔),

"We'll be singing the glory of the lords RETURN any day now hallelulyah!!!!!

And.....?

"BOMBING ALL THE CHILDREN IN HIS SON SAGAN AND HIS HEIRS NAME HAAALLELLLUUUULUUUUYAAAAH!!!!!!!""

(◔̯◔)(◔̯◔)(◔̯◔)(◔̯◔)(◔̯◔)(◔̯◔)(◔̯◔)(◔̯◔)(◔̯◔)

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Pedants too. Like all the 'heirs' Bwahahahahahahaha!

Wrong as well. Of course.

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiratard/comments/17m1gm/i_guarantee_not_one_of_you_will_watch_more_than/

This is what happens when you challenge them to inform themselves on Sandy Hook. They blatantly admit that they won't watch even thirty minutes, because they're afraid of what they'll find.

One of them watched it and annotated it.

Yes but his argument to the multiple shooters is that multiple officers were all talking about the same person, even though there were two apprehended at the side of the school, and there was a van with a busted window that escaped the scene. He simply hasn't taken the time to review the police scanner audio.

There's debunking, and then there's denial.

I couldn't watch more than 30 seconds of it. If they need to preface everything with interviews with Aldous Huxley and intermingle it with clips from 1984, then it's more conditioning than information.

And the media isn't conditioning?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=JkZ9HnMLKXg#t=1296s

Please watch the thirty seconds after this point.

Youtube is a form of media. Yes, emotional context can be added on TV, radio, print, whatever.

I guess I was expecting to be presented with some facts.

I made it five seconds in before they edited in the music. What a joke.

I made it five seconds in

Not because of the music, but because you don't want to know the truth.

There were at least six people involved in the shooting. Not just one.

No, because watching this video is like watching a kid do a magic trick, and he gets all upset when I know the spongy ball ended up in his pocket.

The purple van wasn't even in the same city.

And that's the biggest sign that they would rather be in denial than face the truth. How is someone supposed to know what's in front of them if they won't open their eyes.

The mods have failed you, they should be banning people who never add anything to the conversation. I wouldn't be surprised to find out some of these insulting folks are actually the mods on other accounts.

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Conspiratard has a strong jewish influence

You are a racist sack of shit. Its people like you who give /r/conspiracy a bad name and lead to accusations of Neo-Nazism.

JIDF is a real thing. I don't think it's necessary to call someone a racist sack of shit to say that a sub dedicated to attacking a sub that sometimes attacks Israeli/Jewish interests (and often attacks Zionist interests) is subject to Jewish (JIDF) influence.

I wonder how many of these conspiritards know that Zionism has been a cancer in every country where the Talmud's teachings have been put into practice? The Balfour Declaration illustrates the flaccid state of "Great Britain" capitulating to a criminal, bankster kingpin.

It proves we (the 99%) are all cattle on various tax farms; however, more importantly, it squelches the debate surrounding this fact by the reactionary screams of "anti-semite" against us "gentiles & goys".

|And i don't buy the whole 'shill' thing - i genuinely don't think the government has any interest in what the comments section of a thread on reddit looks like.

Israel pays propagandists to write comments on the internet

Governments do pay internet shills, go fuck yourself.

Could've left the last 3 words off there boss.

Funny, this OP did some serious self fulfilling prophetic work here. Different opinion met quickly with a harsh "go fuck yourself". Stay classy San Diego....

Proof they post on reddit, and more specifically this sub?

Unpaid shills are still shills.

what now?