Meanwhile bullet hose cops get away with attempted murder http://i.imgur.com/dHkZjQx.jpg?1

GOD I AM SO FUCKING ENRAGED

A spoke person for the Torrence PD said their officers did a "good job". Let that sink in. Opening fire on random vehicles of a similar color with ASSAULT RIFLES is a good job, by their estimation.

the new norm, and We the People refuse to do a thing about it but bitch about the other political party. We are well and truly fucked and at this point I'm hauling out the lounge chair, the sunglasses and the popcorn and just fucking watch. I've fucking had it.

What else have you done to create change? Since you're sitting this one out.

Once the rabble are done picking each other off it will mean more oxygen for us.

Had it? But you haven't done anything yet!

the color is far from similar, and the make and model are incorrect.

This is justified how? just because we're looking from a truck?

so anyone in a truck is fucked.

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This world is so fucking fucked.

1) Grab SKS

2) Go innawoods

SKS?

or this?

The official story is that it was dark. They opened fire when they saw a truck roll by and toss a package onto the yard of a home (of a fellow officer) that they were protecting. The package in question would have been a newspaper.

2 Asian women don't look like one Black man. That's the WTF part about it apart from the car being different than descriptions. Did the two women die or are they seriously injured?

They are saying they should be ok. One hit twice in the back, the other in the hand iirc

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Paid for by the taxpayer.

Taxpayers always get fucked, one way or the other.

I read an article stating that they later found his truck.... which was known to be a gray nissan titan. Which looks NOTHING like the blue truck involved earlier today.

You think he seen driving it by anyone? Cameras?

The found a burned out truck matching the description in Big Bear this morning. There's SWAT crawling all over the hills now, even though they admit that Dorner has no connection to the area, and they've not presented any evidence it's his truck.

EDIT: Story here.

I suspect this will become a regular thing over the weekend.

Feds have found a pile of Reeses Peanut Butter Cup wrappers in a Salt Lake City gas station. They strongly believe this to be evidence Dorner is in the area and have declared Martial Law.

Gotta be if he got gas or drove by a bank or any number of other places. May take a while to find it but the cops probably will. Good luck on getting it out in the open though.

That blue line has been there for a long time. The internet is just recently making it more noticeable. There's good reason why Ice T was yelling cop killer and NWA was yelling fuck the police.

Everything is all over the place but I heard a report that they were looking for a silver or gray truck with a roof rack. Possibly a Tacoma or Titan.

They supposedly had security cam footage of his truck. So this one being a completely different color and no roof rack is even more frightening.

It was also stopping every once in awhile to launch newspapers from its window. Maybe they thought it the perfect rouse? I hope no one in that neighborhood gets a pizza delivery. Things could get ugly.

It's a shame that no real justice will be served in that incident. They'll just get a slap on the wrist. Although the whole thing could've been avoided, at least the women weren't killed and are set up to get a hell of a lawsuit

I heard the interview I believe you are referring to. That was because his officers, which are not LAPD, were not involved in the attack on the two newspaper drivers in the blue truck. The shooting was perpetrated by LAPD officers who had been assigned as escorts for someone who the LAPD believed would be targeted by Dorner.

And when you say "assault rifles" you are correctly identifying them. Meaning rifles capable of select fire. Meaning the operator can select between full-auto, burst, semiautomatic fire as well as safety...

I was just trying to use the vilified term, but you are correct. Their personal defense weapons are actually assault rifles, and our assault rifles are really just personal defense weapons. Funny little world we live in, no?

It looks like they opened up with burst fire and couldn't hit shit too. Clearly incompetent, good thing though were as bad as they were, if they had any real skill those two ladies would be dead.

That wasn't the end of it. More cops also thought they saw him driving...so what do they do? "A collision occurred and the officers fired on the pickup. The unidentified driver was not hit and it turned out not to be the suspect vehicle, they said."

They literally crashed into a random car and fired at it taking no time to determine if it was even the right person. Something big must have happened to make them so eager to kill this guy so intensely....I mean police have chased after mass murderers and still took them into custody. These cops are perfectly okay with killing on site even if its only a remote chance its him. Kill at all costs apparently.

Seems like they might trying to hide something - cover their own tracks for some reason...

Its a pity there are not enough of you in the US enraged to actually do something about it.

Yes. A DAMN pity - and I live in the U.S. Thus far, there's at least one man enraged enough to do something though - and presently that person has a manhunt after him and being vilified in the process. I don't condone his killing anyone (if he indeed did), but I wish more of us would stand up against corruption like this man is doing.

I hate that picture. Its so much more than an image. Its loud sounds, burning sensations, metallic smells. I can't look at it.

Are you a vet?

You could say that. I live on the west side of my city, scenes like this are a fact of life.

Ok. I've heard everywhere "the LAPD just straight up unloaded clips into a blue pickup" and my first thought was, "no, no that has to be exaggerated. Maybe one or two shots."

...I take it back. That's fucked. Can we get a Dorner support group going?

I did a comparative study of the two versions. I took 350 word samples from both the document claimed to be the original, and from the text specifically in regard to the AWB. While not particularly scientific, the writing styles are pretty different. While that's possible for a single individual to do, it's not psychologically likely while a person is operating from a "heightened state of agitation" like Dorne. Generally a person's writing style is consistent throughout these kind of screeds. So here's the analysis:

Fleisch Kincaid Scores:
Version 1 Published to Clearchannel Blogs

Words per sentence 14.08
Char per word 4.96
Fleisch Reading Ease 65
Fog factor 10.64
Grade level 7.6

Version with Assault Weapons Ban Section:
Words per sentence 15.5
Char per word 4.5
Fleisch Reading Ease 75
Fog factor 9.15
Grade level 6.61

Meyers Briggs Language Style Inventory
Clearchannel version
1. Extraversion (78.6 %)
2. Introversion (21.4 %)
1. Sensing (57.8 %)
2. iNtuition (42.2 %)
1. Feeling (93.0 %)
2. Thinking (7.0 %)
1. Judging (84.3 %)
2. Perceiving (15.7 %)

AWB Version
1. Introversion (74.4 %)
2. Extraversion (25.6 %)
1. Sensing (94.0 %)
2. iNtuition (6.0 %)
1. Thinking (96.8 %)
2. Feeling (3.2 %)
1. Judging (53.0 %)
2. Perceiving (47.0 %)

My take is they were clearly either not written at the same time, from the same frame of mind, or were not even written by the same person.

If you're writing about public policy or beliefs that you want others to find as rational then you're probably going to try to write in an easier tonunderstand and more realistic (Sensing) way and more thinking thidealistic (N) or emotional. Also you'll write more from an observational viewpoint which can explain the I and P. I do agree they are different writing styles just want to put out there that language with Myers Briggs will be different if you have totally different themes

But you wouldn't go from sounding like Judge Dredd to using exclamation points like a 15 year old girl - and I quote "Don't ever let this happen again!!!!!!!"

Besides, the AWB and Feinstein bullshit is so incoherently placed in there it's obvious as shit.

If you're writing about public policy or beliefs that you want others to find as rational then you're probably going to try to write in an easier tonunderstand and more realistic (Sensing) way and more thinking thidealistic (N) or emotional. Also you'll write more from an observational viewpoint which can explain the I and P. I do agree they are different writing styles just want to put out there that language with Myers Briggs will be different if you have totally different themes

Statistical analysis FTW!

Heh, I just tried it and got the opposite.

• Readability Formula Grade
• Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level 6.8
• Gunning-Fog Score 7.4
• Coleman-Liau Index 10.9
• SMOG Index 6.5
• Automated Readability Index 6
• Average Grade Level 7.5

AWB version

• Readability Formula Grade
• Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level 8.4
• Gunning-Fog Score 10.2
• Coleman-Liau Index 11.2
• SMOG Index 8.5
• Automated Readability Index 7.1
• Average Grade Level 9.1

Think it might be a bit off lol

I ask that all journalist investigating this story submit request for FOIA with the LAPD to gain access to the BOR transcripts which occurred from 10/08 to 2/09. There, you will see that a video was played for the BOR members of Mr. Christopher Gettler who suffers from Schizophrenia and Dementia stating that he was kicked by a female officer. That video evidence supports my claim that Evans kicked him twice in the upper body and once in the face. I would like all journalist to also request copies of all reports that I had written while employed by LAPD. Whether in the academy, or during my 3 years as a police officer. There are DR#’s attached to each report (investigative report) that I have ever written so they all exist. A FOIA request will most likely be needed to access these at Parker center or at the Personnel/Records. Judge my writin/grammar skills for yourself. The department attempted to paint me as an officer who could not write reports. Even though Sgt. Joel Sydanmaa a training officer who trained me stated for the BOR panel that there was nothing wrong with my report writing and that I was better than all rookie/probationer officers he has ever trained. Officer David Drew stated the same but refused to testify as he did not want to “get involved” with the BOR’s. Contact Sgt. Donald Deming ,(now a Captain at Lompoc PD), Sgt. Thaddeus Faulk, and Sgt. Ed Clark. All will state that my report writing was impeccable. I will tell you this, I always type my reports because I have messy handwriting/penmanship. I never had a single kickback/redlined report at Southwest division and Sgt. Faulk and Sgt. Clark can testify to that. I never received an UNSATISFACTORY on any day or week. The same can be said within the U.S. Naval Reserves. All commanders will state that my report writing was always clear, concise, and impeccable. Even search my AAR (after action reports),chits, Memorandum’s, IIR’s (Intelligence Information Reports) which were written in the Navy. All were pristine.

and

Revoke the citizenship of Fareed Zakaria and deport him. I've never heard a positive word about America or its interest from his mouth, ever. On the same day, give Piers Morgan an indefinite resident alien and Visa card. Mr. Morgan, the problem that many American gun owners have with you and your continuous discussion of gun control is that you are not an American citizen and have an accent that is distinct and clarifies that you are a foreigner. I want you to know that I agree with you 100% on enacting stricter firearm laws but you must understand that your critics will always have in the back of their mind that you are native to a country that we won our sovereignty from while using firearms as a last resort in defense and you come from a country that has no legal private ownership of firearms. That is disheartening to American gun owners and rightfully so.

The honorable President George H.W. Bush, they never give you enough credit for your successful Presidency. You were always one of my favorite Presidents (2nd favorite). I hope your health improves greatly. You are the epitome of an American and service to country.

General Petraeus, you made a mistake that the majority of men make once, twice, or unfortunately many times in a lifetime. You are human. You thought with your penis. It's okay.I personally believe you should have never resigned and told your critics to shove it. You only answer to two people regarding the affair, your wife and children, period. I hope you return to government service to your country as it is visibly in your DNA.

General Colin Powell, your book “My American Journey” solidified my decision to join the military after college. I had always intended to serve, but your book and journey motivated me. You are an inspiration to all Americans and influenced me greatly.

Interesting. I took the AWB part from the first time "AWB" appears through the next 349 words. I took the start of the third paragraph through the next 350 words for the section that was common to both documents.

I don't see any of the specific language about the AWB in what you've selected. Are the parts you used unique?

Nebz604 is trying to undermine your work. He is clever, but also a minimum wage Obama fanboi who shills and obfuscates more or less non-stop on r/conspiracy. Stick to your guns!

Yes, some people here want you to believe that the only difference is talk about AWB.

The major difference is that he names several celebrities and tells them how they have influenced his life. He mentions politicians he's met over the years.

He tells Anderson Cooper what a great job he is doing, which seems to coincide with the package he sent him.

He mentions reading Colin Powells book and being inspired to join the military.

He mentions in 2002 meeting a politician in an Irish pub. Dates of his deployment in Florida match etc

There's just so much more of a difference.

Hey, thanks to both of you for doing an awesome job investigating this, this is exactly what we need more of here. If only "actual" journalists were so diligent...

Well I can't be be 100% sure but I don't see this as being added afterwards. Someone would have gone through a whole lot of trouble creating a background about all these people, even people he met years ago while stationed on opposite ends of the country. Just to add a small snippet for a stance on assault weapons.

They would have also had to have added this very early on since all the earliest accounts of this I can find are this version. NBCLosAngeles.com claims to have pulled a cached version from facebook as the story broke. Theirs matches the extended version.

Like I said before, they could have easily added onto what was already there. It's really not much trouble at all.

Not much trouble?

Ok, change it to whatever you want then.

http://pastebin.com/TAzPRfPy

Have at it.

I'll have to do a little more. I'm finding more in common with the section that you've used than the AWB section. Maybe it's a true outlier... or maybe it's confirmation bias. I'm not an expert, I just did what I knew to do for sniffing out plagiarists from way back when I graded papers.

I understand the LAPD wanting to control damages, but the media complicity in releasing/redacting without clearly stating that there were redacted and unedited versions until fairly late in the game is disconcerting.

You don't have to get the people to believe the lie, as long as the confusion sheds doubt on the truth...

I think the issue may be that the media doesn't really want to post a wild gunmans letter naming all these influential people in it.

Seems odd that he goes from scathing damnation of those who wronged him to giving "mad propz" to his ragtag media posse. Maybe that's just me.

Ya that is just you.

Sgt Maj. Kenneth "Rock" Rocquemore USMC, Thank you for the intense instruction and mentorship and time spent forging me into a never quit officer. You were challenging as a DI. You made sure the vicious and intense personality I possess was discovered. On a lighter note....Don't feel humbled you never broke me. I made it a personal goal to never give up years before. The Corp is lucky to have you at the front. Your leadership is essential and needed for all marines, especially staff NCO's and mentorship and advisement to company grade officers. You are the epitome of a US marine and never forget that.

Because something like this doesn't seem at all fake to me. He's saying his goodbyes.

So because one part seems legitimate the rest HAS to be true? I could just as easily throw in some extra lines into anything you say then spread it around in a quote to other topics. Without viewing the original source no one would be none the wiser if they take it at face value. Same principle applies here.

Ignore Nebz, he's a shill.

Hilarious because you're saying exactly the opposite.

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Not a very good one either.

Then they have an obligation to state very clearly that the version released has been heavily redacted for that purpose, lest they create confusion and doubt in their veracity.
Unless of course the objective is to sow confusion and doubt.

The obviously inserted paragraphs are on lines 133 to 141 in case you don't want to work too hard to scroll through.

There is no question, this is the "never waste a good tragedy" version. I posted this link to my Facebook sometime before noon and the gun control speech was absolute not there. I don't have a photographic memory, but that wasn't in it for sure.

Well it was there the day before(and still is). You posted the link with only half the manifesto, that's all.

The OP is trying to convince you that he Dorner was anti-guns, that's not true.

Here's mention of the full version long before you had even heard of Christopher Dorner

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/02/06/alleged-killer-printed-angry-manifesto-saying-his-violent-acts-were-a-necessary-evil/

He's not trying to convince anyone that Dormer is anti-guns. In fact, he's simply pointing out that the anti-gun version seems forced at best. I'll say that you blatantly misrepresent the OP and my position, as I'm quoted in the post, as that is almost the polar opposite of what I'm saying. I think the anti-gun nonsense was added in haphazardly. Of course you already know this as we've had this discussion at length, yet you chose to "forget" that and straw man the OP's position and, consequently, my position.

To reiterate my position, I don't think a gun-wielding vigilante would throw in some out of context bits about gun control damning the very tool he's using to exact possible revenge.

Your position is that his minor mention of AWB has sent you on a crusade to try and convince everyone that half of the manifesto is fake.

The only thing you declare that makes it a fake just happens to be things you oppose. The reason given is that you pretend they are silly statements in this otherwise professionally written manifesto. Strange, no? Why would the guy write about his old Sergeant etc if this was a fake to insert comments about AWB? Why are there 30 extra paragraphs talking about friends and family? Why didn't the forgers just add the small bit about AWB and walk away?

Then we have Anderson Cooper getting the same manifesto. Now you claim Anderson Cooper must be lying for ratings.

It just seems like you have very shaky grounds for dismissing half of the manifesto.

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This is in both versions:

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants-TJ. This quote is not directed toward the US government which I fully support 100%. This is toward the LAPD who can not monitor itself. The consent decree should not have been lifted, ever.

Oops.

Fucking goddamn it...

I've been working on my own version of it that ends with :

I got in one little fight and my mom got scared, and said "You're moving with your auntie and uncle in Bel-air"

is it too late?

Just make sure that Uncle Phil implores you to ban guns, because of things and stuff.

And you have to promise to throw Jazzy out of the senate in classic Uncle Phil style.

I can just hear him go "AAAAAAAAAAAAH"! Thank you, I needed that laugh. This shit is just too goddamn tragic.

This is a false flag.

We haven't even heard this man's side of the story. The day I believe some digital text as concrete proof of someone's manifesto is the day I start watching CNN for factual information. We don't even know if this man is actually alive and not being framed right now. If this is all an inside-job and this man is framed; him disappearing is the best case scenario for the culprits b/c then he can't be questioned.

We all know the gov't has been trying to start a race war and they're doing a fine job of convincing enough people that racism is alive and rampant (which is what the manifesto is hinting to).

The manifesto has absolutely nothing alluding to or suggesting a race war.

The day I believe some digital text as concrete proof of someone's manifesto is the day I start watching CNN for factual information

What would convince you that this is really his manifesto?

Screen grabs of the fucking source.

facebook quickly shuts down profiles, so this is kind of asking for a lot

his facebook page was still up at 7pm mountain time. the manifesto was not on there though. there is a youtube video of a screen capture.

sauce on that video? everything I have heard is that it was posted to facebook, but that notes and packages containing a dvd were sent to various news sources.

The court case documents seem to corroborate his note. But you're right, there's no real reason to believe it's his note or his facebook account. If that's true, it's a very elaborate hoax hanging out a lot of embarrassing and unnecessary information - is it worth it?

what about the gov't trying to start a civil war between the citizens and the police? I can just imagine that scenario granting rapid expansion of governmental powers and thus limiting citizens' sovereign rights further. that would be a coup d'état right?

Nice to see the anti-gun shills down voting this. Big surprise...

I'm sure the anti-gun people are rallying for the guy that's shooting innocents to support their cause.

Not likely.

The cops are shooting innocents as well.

Why not? When all that matter to people is the "agenda" and using this guy as a furtherance to their goal is effective, it makes perfect sense.

There is probably a kosher and non kosher version. The one praising Feinstein and gun control is the kosher version.

It also says that if we wouldn't eat so much pork, banned guns, and stopped illegally downloading Adam Sandler movies that kids would stop dying and all the races of the world would join hands together and sing a song.

They are using military helicopters to track this guy down.

Watch, they'll break out the drones any minute now.

How do we as Americans react to that if a hellfire goes live?

We react as we will be told to. We will accept drones in our skies to hunt and kill "dangerous criminals", willingly putting ourselves beneath their gaze and in their crosshairs, as we have willingly accepted surveillance cameras on every corner of every street and on every floor of every building in the country. "For our protection."

I wish you were wrong...but I'm not sure you are at all...

this is the one i know about -- nothing about newtown or gun control:

http://content.clearchannel.com/cc-common/mlib/616/02/616_1360213161.pdf

I grabbed a copy of that, and searched for gun control. Nothing was found.

Yeah that one seemed whole and accurate to me. I haven't gotten to reading the others.

I have to get up for work tomorrow but I've been so engrossed in this little fiasco I've put that by the wayside for the time being. So I've studied the situation, though not comprehensively (obviously) and this is my working theory -- feel free to add on.

At first I thought this was real, but now I'm beginning to think it is a psy-op (that's obviously speculation).

Here is what I can confirm:

Someone named Christopher Jordan Dorner was employed by the LAPD and was an active military member (confirmed -- click on the link from 2006. There should be an October 2006 Los Angeles Beat where you can find his name under active duty military members.) There is no picture to confirm that he is the same person as is described by the media.

Also someone named Christopher Dorner did sue the LAPD on October 3rd, 2011. case link

It's unclear to me whether he is a real person or a creation of the department. Any elaboration on my part with respect to that subject would be unsubstantiated speculation.

The purpose of the psyop would result in a few things happening:

• A further implementation of the police state already in place. -- LAPD going door-to-door and article mentions roadway checkpoints.

For the sake of arguing the other side, if the manhunt was real and the guy really was on the run, these are the types of actions you would expect to see from the LAPD.

• Charging the LAPD with corruption would now be linked to a mass murderer who most people abhor. -- This one is big. It automatically delegitimizes the claim of corruption because it's associated with this "crazy psychotic murderer." Just try typing in LAPD corruption into google and see what comes up. As opposed to any number of stories in the media about LAPD corruption.

Also the LAPD has had a few cases of battery and police coverup that they would like to be overshadowed by other things. Portraying LAPD and especially their families as the victims makes them sympathetic to the public again, after the terrible things they have done.

• Aggregate information about dissenters and people who wish the LAPD (or any government authority harm). -- This type of psy op also aggregates dissenters and people who are in favor of doing harm to the LAPD because those people are stupid enough to condone and endorse such senseless violence in the public record. This information will come in handy for surveillance and potential relocation purposes.
  

See this prime example of idiocy: https://www.facebook.com/pages/LAPD-Cop-Killer-Christopher-Dorner-is-A-HERO/306145552822139?fref=ts

• To act as a microcosmic allegory for the war on terror (boogieman killer -bad guy vs. LAPD "good guys) -- Same story -- we have a running distraction, a boogieman that makes the general public feel afraid while the media warns them of the danger, and the government reassures you it's their job to "protect" you further.

I don't have all the facts -- as things are still unraveling. But as my cosmic brother Joe Rogan says on occassion it feels like there is "some fuckery afoot."

A few inconsistencies:

• Multiple copies of the manuscript floating around which to me indicates intelligence disinfo and misinfo about gun control, popular culture, politicians and a bunch of other garbage.

• If he really is fighting corruption, killing innocent civilians related to police officers does nothing for his cause.

• Dude is trained to stay off the grid and not be found but leaves his badge carelessly in a dumpster?

Dorner's LAPD badge and photo identification were found near Lindbergh Field by an airport shuttle driver. Other equipment possibly connected to Dorner was discovered in a National City dumpster.

Source: http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/SD-Manhunt-Suspects-Property-Badge-San-Diego--190189011.html#ixzz2KJ64ylC5

That sounds familiar...

Oh and if you're thinking that the LAPD couldn't possibly make up some type of hoax well you're wrong.

And I'm going to seize the few hours of sleep I have left. Goodnight folks!

I like your thinking.

I'd like to point out that it's been reported that his badge and ID were randomly found at an airport in San Diego...they're not even TRYING to make this shit look legit any more.

To be fair, the airport is really close to the naval/military buildings and personnel, and the harbor where he was trying to steal that boat. He could've easily gone to the airport and left in a hurry or something.

He made sure to leave a note that said "Anderson Cooper has great hair and everything he says is true." since that is relevant to his situation in any way.

This was the first version of the manifesto I saw posted in the thread over in /r/protectandserve. It ends after 11 pages. After reading the manifesto and about an hour later, I saw the other manifesto posted with the added narrative at the bottom. It went from a somewhat honorable distressed work from an intelligent man to a diatribe/social commentary on shit that has nothing to do with what he's trying to accomplish. The link I originally found was posted 16 hours before this post, just for reference.

Yeah I think the anti-gun bit and the "mad propz" to random media figures is just bullshit.

Well this one is even ~12 hours before that. February 6, 2013 10:50 PM

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/02/06/alleged-killer-printed-angry-manifesto-saying-his-violent-acts-were-a-necessary-evil/

It is the full length manifesto.

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Don't worry guys the head of the LAPD dismissed all accusations, we can trust him.

Yeah, he's legit. Anderson Cooper told me and he's legit too.

Yeah if there is anyone we can trust on the situation it is the guy in charge of the organisation that is accused of being corrupt, or the guy who works for CNN, the news network that accepts financial aid from dictatorships to portray their country in a certain way.

Yeah, CNN are legit too. I saw that on CNN, so it's legit.

With all the discredited conspiracy theory videos that this subreddit latches onto, this is ironic. Skepticism is good, but immediate dismissal is just as silly as immediate, unquestioning acceptance

Micheal Rupert also gives his support.

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I agree. If anything the Clear Channel one looks chopped off and incomplete.

Disagree with the reddit hive mind??

How DARE you!!

Anderson Cooper last night supposedly receives a package from him. And it included a manifesto that is longer than the original and has Dorner talking politics in it. The one Anderson received literally has the guy talking about dumb shit like how he loves to watch Piers Morgan and how he loved Michelle Obama's bangs. Here is a copy of the original one that most of the news articles linked to and referenced all day. (http://content.clearchannel.com/cc-common/mlib/616/02/616_1360213161.pdf). Here is a link to the one Anderson supposedly received tonight. (http://documents.latimes.com/christopher-dorner-manifesto/) You can see where the paragraphs about dumb political shit got added in from the original. Anderson Cooper must be desperate for ratings. And considering how bad its been for CNN lately.( http://www.npr.org/2012/08/16/158908783/low-ratings-force-cnn-to-find-a-new-direction)&(http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/cnn-ratings-lows-piers-morgan-anderson-cooper-341733) I hope nobody falls for this stunt.

He gives tips on how to keep your underwear from showing through your dress and how to please your man as well. It's true because I read that on madeupbullshit.com, which is where Anderson Cooper gets his whimsical tales he calls news.

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la times, that's like saying I heard it from jonny the liar

Exactly. and David Goldstein at CBS? Somehow that doesn't strike me as the stout pillar of honesty that should be 100% taken as the definitive truth either.

Frankly I don't know what the fuck's going on.

Goldstein

Yeah, that should be a giveaway in and of itself.

Not sure I can disagree w/that.

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Simple black and white thinking tactic. The fact that there are two versions doesn't automatically give one 100% credibility over the other. They could both easily be a mixture of his words and miscellaneous bullshit thrown into the mix.

Short the redacted accounts, there is only one version. A 20 page letter.

Interesting because this looks like the very version that's already been vilified numerous times on here as being filled with manipulated addendums.

Oh well. Either way, shit is stinking left and right, and it's important for people to stay vigilant and critical...of almost EVERYTHING.

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I read enough of it - yes. I also read all of the other one...or maybe it was this one...Either way, I have a general understanding of various things in the "manifesto".

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Okay. Thanks for that.

Relevant

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If its not an amateur youtube video, its not credible on /r/conspiracy

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No need to call people liars. Thank you for the sources. Considering the original facebook post is not accessible, some reasonable discourse over the release of a "redacted" manifesto is warranted.

media isn't people, media is "they" they are not we

A lot of "they", unfortunately, are us. None of "them" are me, mind you - as I'm a hopeless, perpetually-out-of-work artist, but I think that although the "1%" of the media aren't "us", I do think that many of the underlings and even anchors that are hired are indeed "useful idiots" amongst the ranks of the 99%.

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I think his concussions could be why he is now predisposed to using violence to solve his problems.

maybe he's predisposed to using violence now because he's been training to use violence as a tool for much of his life?

Nah, I see this guy as someone that is wound to tight. Holding grudges for what appears his entire lifetime against the people he thought truly wronged him. Even the case of him flipping out on the two officers usage of the n word when it wasn't directed towards him sort of shows he is way to righteous for his own good. The incident of him reporting abuse only came out after he received a poor evaluation. He tried to go tit for tat and lost when he should have just taken the criticism for once in his life, sucked it up and tried again. This dude has a persecution complex that is, in my mind, very common amongst minorities. He was a Navy Officer and a Police Officer. Life is not perfect. Now he's killing people with guns while supporting restrictions on guns. That's a pretty incredible feat of hypocrisy. He's an asshole and he suffers from being mediocre in life and is now taking out his unperceived weaknesses on innocent people. I guarantee he was the kind of Military Officer that demanded respect but seldom gave it.

i really didn't see it like that - that's a very interesting perspective. and i think it even explains some of the loose ends i coudn't really tie up.

http://www.ocregister.com/news/dorner-495119-police-officer.html

Interesting story about him.

"That year, he clashed with a former girlfriend. Dorner, in a June 2006 request for a restraining order, accused her of cyberstalking and harassing him by making intimidating phone calls and posting his name and badge number on the Internet. Court papers filed by Dorner include an anonymous post on the website dontdatehimgirl.com, labeling him as severely emotionally and mentally disturbed. "This guy is twisted. ... He is super paranoid, always thinking that everyone is out to get him," said the posting. The post continues: "Anyway be careful because this guy is a police officer. ... He will probably think he can get away with anything.""

Check out this version of the manifesto: link

I read both the PDF hosted on ClearChannel and this manifesto from the linked site which looks to be the most original of them all. Use this link when talking about Mr. Dorner's last letter.

it absolutely doesn't fit, or try to fit with the remainder of the mannifesto. also, if they are to attempt to paint him as the evil or crazy that they surely will, don't they discredit those beliefs along with his others?

You're assuming that it was anti-gun people who put that statement in. Wouldn't it make more sense if pro-gun people had put it in for the very reason that his views and beliefs will be discredited? Always make enemies of the people look like they're spouting things that you want people to disagree with.

So I was just watching the video capture of Dorner's obviously fake facebook page, and noticed this while looking at one of the pics of his certificates...I may just be being paranoid...but why is a white man's hand holding a black man's certificate and taking a picture of it to upload to his facebook? Why would one of his buddies take a picture of one of his certificates for him? Just seems out of place to me.

http://i.imgur.com/u3GeNFj.jpg

I've also crudely outlined what appears to be the reflection of a white male in another one of the photos...and it's the same person wearing the same clothes who took all of them. Why would someone else be taking pics of his certs?

http://i.imgur.com/vaHyGTO.jpg

Here's all the pics ripped from his FB account.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/vi8e9471pwvzu0g/2sB7IAi-mY#/

The full manifesto is here

http://pastebin.com/TAzPRfPy

Don't let fake accounts convince you to help scrub them from the internet.

^ troll

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I do believe he is a shill, but he's fun to keep around for the lulz.

Why would gun control advocates hitch their wagon to someone who's being portrayed as a dangerous lunatic and murderer? That makes no fucking sense at all.

Or are you saying that it's the pro-gun people that inserted those paragraphs?

That i can't be sure of, but it seems odd to me that a gun-toting vigilante would want to ban his weapons of choice. That whole segment in particular seems tacked on afterwards for whatever reason. I'm going to do a bit more in depth analysis of the supposedly unedited version, but I wouldn't doubt the possibility that it's simply his words mixed with someone else's for a specific purpose. Seems strange to me that he'd give shout outs to random media and political figures, but I would bet money on the anti-gun thing being an addendum, as it is out of context and a non-sequitur.

Go ahead, do an analysis. Can't wait for you to miss what everybody else has been missing.

As for him wanting to ban guns? Are you kidding me? This dude is a law and order guy and a cop. A 'good' cop. It doesn't phase me one bit that he'd be anti-gun.

Why would gun control advocates hitch their wagon to someone who's being portrayed as a dangerous lunatic and murderer? That makes no fucking sense at all.

What? That makes all the sense in the world, actually. How is it not making sense? They could say that THIS guy right here is the "perfect" example of why you don't want "the people" to have regular access to guns. I know he's a former PO and military, but I have a strong feeling they will conveniently pass over that particular detail and focus on the fact that AS OF RIGHT NOW, he's a civilian and a "dangerous civilian on the LOOSE!" at that.

I remember, after the Sandy Hook incident, an r/conspiracy user describing how the next 'crazy with a gun' would be a retired veteran or police officer.

Or both in this guy's case. Either way, this can be used as a perfect "anti gun" argument. I think it's bullshit, but they'd still use it as such. Hell they're doing it already.

Maybe the next will be a grandma or an even younger kid. I'm sure they will run the gamut of archetypes until they can convince idiots that guns are somehow the reason that people commit violent, murderous acts. I hear Cane killed Abel with an M-14.

Maybe the next will be a grandma or an even younger kid.

I'd go with them using the younger kid over the grandma.

I'm sure they will run the gamut of archetypes until they can convince idiots that guns are somehow the reason that people commit violent, murderous acts.

Yeah. They seem to already have the "hipster emo" crowd w/the CO and the SH shootings. Now they're going for the "monstrous black dudes" crowd.

Okay. That was facetious on my part, but I still think you have a bit of a point there.

I hear Cane killed Abel with an M-14.

Watch out, bitches

...and other wonderful hits!

If there's s picture of it on the Internet it must be taken at face value as fact!

Oh hell yeah. I used to be an atheist, but when I heard Jesus liked motherfucking AK-47s I said awwwww shit! Hold up, bitches! I think I'm about to be born again!

Yea... thats why they keep showing him in uniform every chance they get.

That's not the point. You're missing it. They're showing him in uniform every chance they get to ultimately and eventually drive home the point that he is a very skilled and powerful marksman AND to drive home the point of how "heinous" he is for intending to kill his fellow officers (emphasis on "fellow" - therefore showing him in uniform with his "fellow" officer "buddies").

Additionally to this, TPTB/MSM will now - again - use how "horribly dangerous" he now is as a great example of why the citizenry just "CANNOT" be allowed to have assault rifles, etc. "I mean just look at THIS guy!" etc.

Bullshit.

I see I'm dealing with an intellectual now. I think I'll bow out of this one and just slowly back away.

I already did that by saying bullshit. Good day, conspirafag.

edit: if you're right, i'll apologize.

Why would you insert the fuck all word "dat" into this?

Here's an analysis on the subject of the two different versions:

http://www.mauspublicityandconsulting.com/blog.html

mm, i just love that smell!

Seriously, this is fucking everywhere, top news websites including CNN and Yahoo are quoting the FAKE one

What the actual fuck

"they should make a movie out of this" well they already have. Its called The Negotiator with samuel jackson in it

Anyone know about this?

edit: Nevermind, found the previous discussion concerning his "entire" manifesto.

Also..."Chris Dorner" FACEBOOK PAGE created on JANUARY 21, now deleted. (https://www.facebook.com/chris.dorner.7) SCREENSHOTS OF PAGE BEFORE DELETION: http://i.imgur.com/mqGVNN3.png

Is it true that the original manifesto was posted on his fb page??

The end of the "unedited" version is full of media personality shout outs. This guy is a statist clown. He tells Anderson Cooper that he is doing a good job for fuck's sake.

That's if you believe the longer version is legit, which I don't. I don't think either of them are.

http://pastebin.com/gtzDb4Hh unshilled version.

Source: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:9PHb81BjK6UJ:status.idolbin.com/shares%3Fq%3DRichard%2BIII+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

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That is not the shilled version, that is the one I copied off of the web cache that google provided. No where do you find the references to any form of gun control, I was getting ready to provide screen caps anyway.

The source is google's social media crawler

Huh. Ether im crazy, or paste pin was instantly edited along with the crawler feed. Probably crazy.

At least you're honest about it. Up vote, dawg.

The 'source' isn't even remotely relevant.

Relax bitch. Nobody is taking your guns away. Your obsession with calamity is fucking boring and makes you look like a pussy, but nobody is going to take away your guns. It is too engrained in our culture. I suspect that one day these guns you desperately cling to will be needed in a revolution, and then you will feel vindicated, or you will feel the burn of a bullet tearing into your flesh. Good luck. I'm extremely fed up with this bullshit (clearly).

Poor little kid's having a hissy fit.

This nation was founded on guns, yet we're the ones with the obsession? Who is trying to change this country? Theres your obsessive group. The emotional clowns always looking to invent another bureaucracy and law to siphon money away.

This guy.

I'm sure the anti-gun people are rallying for the guy that's shooting innocents to support their cause.

Not likely.

Yeah I think the anti-gun bit and the "mad propz" to random media figures is just bullshit.

Well this one is even ~12 hours before that. February 6, 2013 10:50 PM

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/02/06/alleged-killer-printed-angry-manifesto-saying-his-violent-acts-were-a-necessary-evil/

It is the full length manifesto.

Not a very good one either.

I like your thinking.

That's not the point. You're missing it. They're showing him in uniform every chance they get to ultimately and eventually drive home the point that he is a very skilled and powerful marksman AND to drive home the point of how "heinous" he is for intending to kill his fellow officers (emphasis on "fellow" - therefore showing him in uniform with his "fellow" officer "buddies").

Additionally to this, TPTB/MSM will now - again - use how "horribly dangerous" he now is as a great example of why the citizenry just "CANNOT" be allowed to have assault rifles, etc. "I mean just look at THIS guy!" etc.

Paid for by the taxpayer.

Taxpayers always get fucked, one way or the other.