Retroactive editing of the Dorner Manifesto.

20  2013-02-08 by ronintetsuro

This is the link where I first read the manifesto.

I read it early afternoon yesterday. It definitely did NOT have all the garbage in there about Feinstein, the president and the fucking Walking Dead series when I read it.

I've been pointing people to this link, claiming it's the actual manifesto. Someone just pointed out, no it's not, and when I go back and read it 24 hours later, it full of a bunch of bullshit. So what's going on here?

EDIT: Here is the original from the same site! Open two tabs and compare! http://hiphopandpolitics.wordpress.com/2013/02/07/fired-lapd-officer-shoots-3-fellow-cops-killing-one-releases-manifesto-exposing-corruption/ (credit to u/SiriusC!)

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Oh my god, this is the first one I read. Admittedly, I started skimming at a certain point & stopping on notable stuff. The Obama stuff was definitely NOT in there.

Neither was all the television stuff. I would have remembered that.

Actually, here's the original from the same site: http://hiphopandpolitics.wordpress.com/2013/02/07/fired-lapd-officer-shoots-3-fellow-cops-killing-one-releases-manifesto-exposing-corruption/

This one has no Obama, LGBT, or Cosby references.

Thank you!

I suppose it is possible that the first link had an edited version the cut out seemingly irrelevant parts.

It's possible.

That's from Feb 7th. We already have news sites with the full manifesto on the 6th.

Also, we have things like Anderson Cooper interviewing someone who is only mentioned in the full manifesto. The same full one online was mailed to Cooper.

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2013/02/07/dorners-friend-manifesto-is-shocking/

How would someone know these people and things about them if it was some hoax?

Also, why would someone make up all that personal stuff about friends and family etc etc if it was a hoax?

Oh! No, I'm not saying this was a hoax. I'm saying that a link that I read the manifesto on yesterday has been edited to include a bunch of unrelated nonsense.

I don't believe this is a hoax.

Well, I can't vouch for the integrity of Davey D's Hip Hop Corner.

There are blog posts that are trying to push the idea that, the one with the gun control bullshit is the original, but I'm going with you on this one. The same exact thing happened to the pastebin link I put on my facebook, came back later and all that bullshit was in there.

We need to figure out who's doing this.

"never let a good crisis go to waste"

Ok, but why would they add all that fluff? I mean it's an awful lot of digging for intimate personal events just to pad the AWB part. You'd think time would be a factor but apparently a well equipped team whipped all those personal bits together in a matter of hours from the time of discovery to the time facebook shut the page down.

Not sure. I can only think of a few reasons (beyond the call for gun control).

  • To fill the 11,000 word limit quoted earlier.
  • To make him look deranged.
  • To troll conspiracy theorists. (Make us look bad by continuing to question things.)

To make him look deranged

I gotta argue against this one.

In the short version he rants about the LAPD and ends it with making death threats. Supposedly this one doesn't make him look deranged.

The long version has him rant about the LAPD, make death threats, addresses people he admires and had impacted his life, gave his support for certain causes and admonished certain hate groups. Now he's deranged! He thinks homosexuals should have equal rights! Lock that deranged man up!

Perhaps deranged is not the the proper term. "Unfocused", "emotional", "nostalgic". When I read only the first section, he came across as focused with a purpose. When I read the second (besides suspecting tampering), I got the impressions I just mentioned.

EDIT: Changed the bold section from "is" to "is not".

Kinda like most manifestos. I mean a guy doesn't just sit down and pound one of these things out in 10 minutes. Given time and mood things would appear different.

Can someone who originally posts to pastebin log in again and change their original post? Is it possible dorner added personal details and thanks to freinds and opinions about more normal things to his pastebin when he realized it would be his last words and he wanted to just have a final say about a few more human things?

I thought he originally posted to his Facebook?

Even if this was true, why would all the other iterations on other sites update too?

Good question. I dont know much about how facebook or pastebin work which was why i asked.

Nice work

Take the first half (the non-disputed half) and past it into www.wordcount.net. Then open up a new page and past the second half into www.wordcount.net. Note the word densities between the two sections.

First half:

  • officers 48 (9%)
  • xxxx 46 (9%)
  • will 45 (8%)
  • officer 40 (7%)
  • lapd 37 (7%)
  • me 36 (7%)
  • xxxxx 27 (5%)
  • bor 23 (4%)
  • police 22 (4%)
  • department 22 (4%)

Second half:

  • me 40 (11%)
  • will 33 (9%)
  • never 23 (7%)
  • always 17 (5%)
  • time 14 (4%)
  • president 14 (4%)
  • know 13 (4%)
  • like 12 (3%)
  • should 12 (3%)
  • get 12 (3%)

ctrl-f "sport"

If it locates any results, it is not the original.

Nice. Thanks for the tip.

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The best I can grok is that it was changed after a decent amount of eyes got on it to add another layer of 'conspiracy' so that the people who are first to get this kind of information out are tripped up with irrelevant questions.

ANYTHING to avoid talking about the allegations against the LAPD and the implication of a necessity of action in light of new information. Instead let's get people to dismiss the manifesto as crazy out of hand because it (now) talks about Obama, Guncontrol, and Cable Television. They're painting Dorner as crazy to paint the information aggregators (us) as crazy.

you seem generally intelligent

it's a surprise to see you offer this:

The best I can grok is that it was changed after a decent amount of eyes got on it to add another layer of 'conspiracy' so that the people who are first to get this kind of information out are tripped up with irrelevant questions.

When the work of some random asshole on the internet is a more likely culprit, given everything else you noticed

I don't disagree this is a possibility. This is r/conspiracy. Spitballing is acceptable.

Yeah, but did you not get my point?