Retroactive editing of the Dorner Manifesto.
20 2013-02-08 by ronintetsuro
This is the link where I first read the manifesto.
I read it early afternoon yesterday. It definitely did NOT have all the garbage in there about Feinstein, the president and the fucking Walking Dead series when I read it.
I've been pointing people to this link, claiming it's the actual manifesto. Someone just pointed out, no it's not, and when I go back and read it 24 hours later, it full of a bunch of bullshit. So what's going on here?
EDIT: Here is the original from the same site! Open two tabs and compare! http://hiphopandpolitics.wordpress.com/2013/02/07/fired-lapd-officer-shoots-3-fellow-cops-killing-one-releases-manifesto-exposing-corruption/ (credit to u/SiriusC!)
29 comments
7 SiriusC 2013-02-08
Oh my god, this is the first one I read. Admittedly, I started skimming at a certain point & stopping on notable stuff. The Obama stuff was definitely NOT in there.
6 ronintetsuro 2013-02-08
Neither was all the television stuff. I would have remembered that.
7 SiriusC 2013-02-08
Actually, here's the original from the same site: http://hiphopandpolitics.wordpress.com/2013/02/07/fired-lapd-officer-shoots-3-fellow-cops-killing-one-releases-manifesto-exposing-corruption/
This one has no Obama, LGBT, or Cosby references.
3 ronintetsuro 2013-02-08
Thank you!
3 digger_ex_pat 2013-02-08
I suppose it is possible that the first link had an edited version the cut out seemingly irrelevant parts.
1 tttt0tttt 2013-02-08
It's possible.
3 Nebz604 2013-02-08
That's from Feb 7th. We already have news sites with the full manifesto on the 6th.
Also, we have things like Anderson Cooper interviewing someone who is only mentioned in the full manifesto. The same full one online was mailed to Cooper.
http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2013/02/07/dorners-friend-manifesto-is-shocking/
How would someone know these people and things about them if it was some hoax?
Also, why would someone make up all that personal stuff about friends and family etc etc if it was a hoax?
4 ronintetsuro 2013-02-08
Oh! No, I'm not saying this was a hoax. I'm saying that a link that I read the manifesto on yesterday has been edited to include a bunch of unrelated nonsense.
I don't believe this is a hoax.
1 Nebz604 2013-02-08
Well, I can't vouch for the integrity of Davey D's Hip Hop Corner.
1 Honkeydick 2013-02-08
There are blog posts that are trying to push the idea that, the one with the gun control bullshit is the original, but I'm going with you on this one. The same exact thing happened to the pastebin link I put on my facebook, came back later and all that bullshit was in there.
2 ronintetsuro 2013-02-08
We need to figure out who's doing this.
2 cm18 2013-02-08
"never let a good crisis go to waste"
1 Nebz604 2013-02-08
Ok, but why would they add all that fluff? I mean it's an awful lot of digging for intimate personal events just to pad the AWB part. You'd think time would be a factor but apparently a well equipped team whipped all those personal bits together in a matter of hours from the time of discovery to the time facebook shut the page down.
2 cm18 2013-02-08
Not sure. I can only think of a few reasons (beyond the call for gun control).
1 Nebz604 2013-02-08
To make him look deranged
I gotta argue against this one.
In the short version he rants about the LAPD and ends it with making death threats. Supposedly this one doesn't make him look deranged.
The long version has him rant about the LAPD, make death threats, addresses people he admires and had impacted his life, gave his support for certain causes and admonished certain hate groups. Now he's deranged! He thinks homosexuals should have equal rights! Lock that deranged man up!
2 cm18 2013-02-08
Perhaps deranged is not the the proper term. "Unfocused", "emotional", "nostalgic". When I read only the first section, he came across as focused with a purpose. When I read the second (besides suspecting tampering), I got the impressions I just mentioned.
EDIT: Changed the bold section from "is" to "is not".
2 Nebz604 2013-02-08
Kinda like most manifestos. I mean a guy doesn't just sit down and pound one of these things out in 10 minutes. Given time and mood things would appear different.
3 anononaut 2013-02-08
Can someone who originally posts to pastebin log in again and change their original post? Is it possible dorner added personal details and thanks to freinds and opinions about more normal things to his pastebin when he realized it would be his last words and he wanted to just have a final say about a few more human things?
1 ronintetsuro 2013-02-08
I thought he originally posted to his Facebook?
Even if this was true, why would all the other iterations on other sites update too?
1 anononaut 2013-02-08
Good question. I dont know much about how facebook or pastebin work which was why i asked.
2 josh95mx 2013-02-08
Nice work
2 cm18 2013-02-08
Take the first half (the non-disputed half) and past it into www.wordcount.net. Then open up a new page and past the second half into www.wordcount.net. Note the word densities between the two sections.
First half:
Second half:
2 trashcan_username 2013-02-08
ctrl-f "sport"
If it locates any results, it is not the original.
1 ronintetsuro 2013-02-08
Nice. Thanks for the tip.
1 [deleted] 2013-02-08
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3 ronintetsuro 2013-02-08
The best I can grok is that it was changed after a decent amount of eyes got on it to add another layer of 'conspiracy' so that the people who are first to get this kind of information out are tripped up with irrelevant questions.
ANYTHING to avoid talking about the allegations against the LAPD and the implication of a necessity of action in light of new information. Instead let's get people to dismiss the manifesto as crazy out of hand because it (now) talks about Obama, Guncontrol, and Cable Television. They're painting Dorner as crazy to paint the information aggregators (us) as crazy.
0 evenmoretiredoflibs 2013-02-08
you seem generally intelligent
it's a surprise to see you offer this:
When the work of some random asshole on the internet is a more likely culprit, given everything else you noticed
2 ronintetsuro 2013-02-08
I don't disagree this is a possibility. This is r/conspiracy. Spitballing is acceptable.
-1 evenmoretiredoflibs 2013-02-08
Yeah, but did you not get my point?