A lot of people don't seem to know what a "burner" is. A burner is an incendiary tear gas canister that is specifically made to start a fire. These were used in Waco on the branch Davidians. At the time the FBI claimed the cult member started the fire, but much later the FBI admitted to using incendiary tear gas canisters to burn the Davidians out of hiding. It's the same tactic used on Dorner.

so then, although most people may not have know exactly what it is, we all had the right idea that it is used to start a fire.

Absolutely and unquestionably. That's why the fire started right after they shot the tear gas canisters. People reporting on the police scanner activity said they used the phrase "burners deployed". It is without a doubt that the police intentionally started the fire.

Another aspect of this is, that is someone's personal property. You can't just bomb someone's house because you feel like it.

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Imagine how you'd feel if you were driving down the highway in your truck and police just decide to start shooting it up old western style.

I'd build a new house with the fucking money they owe me now. Preferably a hobbit house.

Good luck with that, junior.

The Lapd did offer those women a new truck as a courtesy........

...if you consider "paying off" common "courtesy."

Hence the ........

Gotcha! ;)

That would be cool if they just shot the shit out of the truck, but they shot the shit out of the truck with them inside.

Yes - this should be atop the list of concerns of the police department. Right above protecting human life.

middle eastern folks would have something to say about this, i'm sure.

"LLILILLILLILILILLILILLIILLILLILILILI"

Source: TV

Durka durka

They might as well just droned the place. I guess burners are less expensive than hellfires though.

Yes, and plus now they can claim that Dorner started the fire himself. It gives them plausible deniability.

He said can not are/did.

wtf?

He said "can," not "are/did."

OG_Willikers explains right here why they didn't/couldn't just use drones. It involves plausible deniability. Additionally, TPTB know that there would be too much public outcry if they used drones right now. They're waiting on that. That's how TPTB work. They won't do something they know the public will be upset about. They use FF attacks to trick the public and make them ask (beg) for shit they would have otherwise vilified and rejected.

I have no idea what those acronyms mean. Can you elaborate?

TPTB-The powers that be.

FF -False Flag

Thanks!

Don't write it down. Change your user name every hour. Never come back to the same wi-fi spot. Never give personal details. Never talk about yourself. When you do, lie.

You'll live to see tomorrow, yet.

Thanks, but I'd rather just live life until it ends. Sounds like a terrible waste of time just to gain a couple of days or hours.

As long as the package reaches the checkpoint.

Death ensures all the packages reach the checkpoint. What matters is what's in your package when you get there.

Agreed.

...and I have NO idea what raisedbysheep is talking about.

wait... you can change your reddit username?

No, that would leave a unified history. You must abandon the current username after each post.

Sorry, bro. No worries. I used to be TOTALLY lost on what TPTB and FF meant. Others have already kindly answered it before me. :)

Best,

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It's not an air freshened is it... Well, in some ways, ill shut up now.

These were used in Waco on the branch Davidians.

They used tanks, actually.

They used those too.

jesus

Actually, I think he called himself Koresh..

That video is fraudulent. If they let the video run just a few more seconds, you could see that it wasn't flame at all, but the Sun reflecting off a piece of insulation from the wall.

The video ends with a freeze frame just to fool you.

Is it really?

I've seen the unedited video on some TV show where they confronted the producer about it. It may have been 60 minutes, but it was around 1994 or 1995, and I haven't been able to find it on the web.

I did find the article, excerpted below, which confirms that it is not flame.

I think the government did some bad things at Waco, but a flame-throwing tank was not among them.

http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/cri/cri-jrnl/web/crj0178a.html

The most thought-provoking sequence in Waco: The Big Lie depicts an armored vehicle under FBI command ramming the Davidian compound. The tape's narrator states: "The following footage proves beyond any doubt that the tanks intentionally set the house on fire. It proves that the Branch Davidians were murdered. You can see that this tank has a gas jet on the front that shoots fire. You can also see the fire quite plainly."

For many, this footage confirmed fears that the government deliberately torched the Davidians' dwelling. Then Mike McNulty, chairman of a privately funded grassroots think-tank called the California Organization for Public Safety (COPS), obtained an uncut version of the original private film from which Thompson drew her footage.

McNulty forwarded the film to Machine Gun News columnist Ken Carter, who, in a February 1994 issue of the gun enthusiast periodical, described what Waco: The Big Lie didn't show: "In the COPS version, rather than stopping the video at the point where the illusion of flame is most apparent, as in the AJF tape, the camera continues to follow the vehicle as it backs clear of the building....As [the] tank turns away from [the] camera, [the] reflection spreads to reveal what appears to be a large section of tan wallboard leaning against [the] turret."

Carter subsequently admitted: "As certain as I previously was that the tank was spewing fire, I am now more convinced that what appeared to be flame was nothing more than an optical illusion created by reflector sunlight."

One month prior to the release of the Machine Gun News piece, Carter was interviewed for a January 21, 1994 Gun Week article entitled "'Waco: The Big Lie' Revealed as Hoax." "Linda Thompson suckered all of us with that one," Carter told Gun Week. "And she had to have known exactly what she was doing, since the videotape sequence was edited a split second before the vehicle pulls back and executes a hard turn which clearly shows the 'flame' image stabilize and turn out to be a piece of wallboard."

Even Soldier of Fortune magazine has spoken out against Waco: The Big Lie. A February 1994 feature article stated: "What appears to be flames in the Thompson video is actually a visual trick....The apparent fire at the end of the CEV [tank] gas induction tube is actually wallboard and other construction debris knocked loose by the CS [gas] sprayer boom."

Bill Hicks would disagree..

He includes only the edited footage in that video. I'm sure when that video was made that he hadn't seen the unedited footage.

If you ever see the full video, you'll be outraged at the deception.

What some call warnings, others might call instructional suggestions.

but much later the FBI admitted to using incendiary tear gas canisters to burn the Davidians out of hiding

The difference being in this case, when Dorner allegedly tried to leave the cabin, they shot at him, forcing him back inside to die.

Can you link to anything referring to a burner being a tear gas canister?

Can't find a specific reference immediately, but the LA times is now reporting that officers used incendiary tear gas canisters. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/dorner-manhunt-highly-incendiary-hot-gas-used-on-cabin.html

I believe a burner is exactly what it sounds like. People that have said it was tear gas can provide nothing to back that up.

A burner is teargas, the canister just burns really hot or something. They are well known to start fires. Hence the nickname.

So if it is such a well passed nickname why is there not one mention of it being called that on the entire internets?

I have a friend in the military. Or rather was. He's informed me that there are two types of tear gas canisters. "Burners" which run hot after being deployed and ARE KNOWN to cause fires, and some other name (I forget) which run colder after being deployed.

The police had the choice and chose the ones they knew ran hot, IN A CARPETED CABIN. On the press conference I saw, they claimed they threw in cold canisters first, and when that didn't work they threw in burners, "without the intention of setting the cabin on fire".

Here's a bit from a reporter describing what a Modesto, CA officer said about a similar situation about burners:

He said there are two types of tear gas cannisters police use. One is an incendiary cannister called a "burner," which can start a fire, Adams said. The department doesn't deploy burners; it only uses nonincendiary cannisters.

Burners Deployed and we have a fire..

There has been reports of someone trying to escape from the back door of the cabin, but was pushed back inside as well.

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Read this one! It effectively says that the incendiaries did not start the fire.

Link to FBI admitting to using incendiary tear gas canisters to burn the Davidians out of hiding??

This was just the first I found - http://amarillo.com/stories/082599/usn_fbi.shtml

There are several articles that state this. Most in 1999 when the FBI came clean.

The agency, however, still maintains it did not start the fire that consumed the Davidians' compound with leader David Koresh and more than 80 followers inside.

No.

I didn't know that they admitted using incendiaries. The FBI report says explicitly they weren't used.

A burner is an incendiary tear gas canister that is specifically made to start a fire.

Source?

OK, this BBC article http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-21454483 the police say "The pyrotechnic-type canisters are commonly referred to as burners."

It may be arguable that these are not made to specifically start fires, but they are normally deployed out of doors and when they are deployed indoors they usually start a fire because as the BBC article states "he acknowledged the pyrotechnic tear gas canisters "generate a lot of heat"." - yes, because they are burning. There are non-pyrotechnic tear gas canisters that are normally deployed indoors when they don't want to burn the place down.

Actually it's called a "burner" because the tear gas burns your nose, throat, and eyes.

Check out this BBC story - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-21454483

The police quote from this is "The pyrotechnic-type canisters are commonly referred to as burners."

There are non-pyrotechnic gas canisters that are normally used indoors. This military type is normally used for outdoors only (unless you want to start a fire)

I think you misunderstand the use of 'pyrotechnic' in this case. These canisters have a pyrotechnic expelling charge, and they do not burn very hot or for very long. They are most certainly not manufactured as intentional firestarters.

Yes, you can argue that they aren't intentionally made to start a fire because pyrotechnic canisters are meant to be used outdoors. Indoors they almost always start a fire. Because they do burn very hot and long enough to ignite anything flammable nearby. The police have non pyrotechnic tear gas canisters that they use indoors when they don't want to burn the place down. When they choose to use these indoors it is because they want to start a fire.

Ah, good point.

Ah, good point.

Why isn't that a lethal in CoD?

what the holy fuck...they redrafted trying to say that they used a demo vehicle to knock down every wall until they came to the last one and he then shot himself.....what the bullshit?

They're panicking. This story is all over dozens of subreddits and in the comments on dozens of news websites. Hundreds of thousands of people have already seen this, we cannot stop now. I am spamming every news site I can with the audio and video evidence and if any of you can take a minute to copy and paste a link or two I urge you to do the same.

We have the opportunity to embarrass and expose the california PD as lying thugs and more importantly get people to start asking questions for once, if we fail its our own damned fault. Don't go back to sleep people.

literally dozens of subreddits!

I know I panicked for a moment, there. And I'm not even a cop

Good job, spam that shit!

Do you really think it matters? This is nothing new, and the news media isn't going to hold them to task.

Waco... never forget.

Of course it matters. Who are you, Hillary Clinton?

You seem to have only read the first 5 word of my post. Try again.

Why lead off with a remark that dissuades people from trying? If it takes 100,000 internet rabble rousers to force the media to address something, so be it.

We didn't have such a strong internet lobby back in 1993 when Waco went up in flames. We've seen time and again that reddit and other social media sites can affect policy through exposure and pressure. Laying off the gas is not the answer. More like pedal to the metal.

much like he must have only heard the first few words of the Hill dawg comment he's referring to.

Hillary never said it didn't matter. She was asking rhetorically, then immediate explained why it mattered. Stop getting your news from FOX.

Hillary swept the death of Americans under the rug. She and her cronies lied to protect their political interests heading into the election. Then she called in sick and bumped her head until she and her cohorts could agree on which lie they were sticking with. Then she cried crocodile tears and feigned concern as she weathered a meaningless scolding that resulted in nothing. Her dismissal meant little to her and her pals other than giving them more time to get a head start on campaign plans for 2016. The bitch is fucking callous and evil.

Stop getting your news from MSNBC.

Stop getting your news from TV. I'm not disagreeing with you at all, really. She probably didn't care, but that's just not the quote.

I get my news from all over the place. It's not so much the exact quote, but the same flippant attitude.

no argument here.

So in other words, you're just saying "blah blah blah blah won't admit I was wrong about what she said about why it matters, blah blah blah hope you don't notice."

I think the point was that leading your answer with "why does it even matter?" is silly dissuasive rhetoric.

If my daughter spilled milk on the floor, and I cleaned it up, it was not my fault, but I took responsibility.

I'm with ya. "They" could give a fuck less about what "we" think, know, think we know or even suspect. On the other hand: fuck 'em. If you try you're at least doing something. If you're here you obviously have little need or use of "culture" (like bacteria, get it?) so you might as well do something with your time if you're not going to just zen out and find a different perspective on life. All this drama, all this violence: Fuck 'em.

I'm not saying that you should pull the wool back over your eyes. Either worry about everything (external forces) or do something that makes you happy while you can. Either way: Yer fucked.

No I was pointing out people know what happened. The news media is going to lie, and the police will cover it up. Nothing gained. we'll continue goose stepping towards a world-wide tyranny.

Correct! Now shut up and keep your GOD DAMNed head down.

Keep doing the lord's work

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a cop supposedly who was off the force who still has his badge, two wallets, and a burnt out truck. Oh and then he hauls tons of weapons and ammo in the snow and takes two hostages in a cabin..gets caught... steals a truck... moves all that ammo while having a gun fight and then offs himself because of a bulldozer. Am I missing anything?

This whole thing is absolutely ridiculous and most people aren't buying it. But don't get lured in to the idea that we should federalize local police forces because that is where I fear we are heading and rather quickly. Remember Obama did say he wanted a domestic force as large as an army.. Cop's are already that force but they are entirely untapped so far. Soon enough though...mark my words.

whats thats just some cartoony type shit, this will not stand just keep posting the vi over nd over for exposure, and cross link to this

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What exactly is wrong with that plan?

No matter what your crime, a police officer is not Judge, Jury, and Executioner.

What about when a police officer is defending his life in a shootout. Do you need a JJ&E to tell you he is trying to kill you?

Burning down a house because the guy is inside is a pretty fucking far from returning fire to defend your life....I mean, come on, did you even think before you asked that or what?

According to the law a person is not required to use the exact same amount of lethal force as the person attempting to kill them with lethal force. Are you a gentleman dueler from 1845 or what? Plus, the police have more rights in this situation under the law than a civilian does, right or wrong.

According to the law, there is a limit on the amount of force you are authorized to use, even when defending yourself. It's the same way in the military, but they have a shorter escalation of force than the cops (should) have. Someone being shot at has the right to return fire, but when a suspect is holed up and trapped, you don't yell for a person to surrender while you're firing incendiary tear gas grenades and call it justified.

More rights? Are you being intentionally thick, or are you just a fascist shithead?

I have tried to find the words to express the rage I feel over the lies they feed us. Here again they lie, without even trying very hard and expect us to just take it. I honestly don't know what to say, the thought that they can just say a live police scanner broadcast on television is fake or that what the cops was saying was the result of panic or a mistake and have people believe it is staggering. I heard them saying to burn it over and over, I have heard that tone of voice before I recognize and understand it, there was no panic in those voices, there was excitement, there was blood lust.

Everybody will buy this story, too. What a shame. Words can be twisted any which way when big money tells the media which stories to report and which truths to bury. It’s incredibly frustrating when the evidence, or rather the inconsistencies, are endless. Your best friends and parents think you’re crazy for even trying to question the bullshit the people are spoon fed by the media. We are truly helpless.

As angry as I feel, I will not give in to hopelessness. As long as there is blood in my veins, as long as there is steel in my hands, I will never give in.

Why are you letting it sit on the wet ground? Why would you ever do that?

AK can take it...it gives no fucks.

Gotta love AK's. You could put it in mud and run it over with a truck if you want to.

I haven't actually seen the police scanner transmissions from a live TV broadcast yet. Only ones I could find were on YouTube and could have easily been snipped together like many ~~police brutality~ videos are.

Go to :20 on this video someone made of a live television broadcast. It can't be removed because they filmed it on the TV.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T6cG7FC71c

hell the reporter even comments that the police were angry because they were calling to burn it down.

Blood lust

Can you blame them? He was a serial cop killer. Even if you hate the police the guy deserved even worse than he got if you ask me.

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Allegedly. Let's be civil, because we're better than him.

Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law

There were roughly 30,000 people listening to that scanner feed live, so they're only confirming themselves to be liars, nothing more.

Internet turning the tide of the information control (war?)?

and thats why CISPA needs to be passed. To control the public.

EO just came down today

Thanks, Obama!

this just in:

the LAPD looks like shit and doesn't want to!

they have PR to take care of that spin. anyway, they're proving they are the most badass gang in the land. maybe that's what they want.

madman theory.

they have PR to take care of that spin

Really? It doesn't seem that way

http://www.lapdonline.org/inside_the_lapd/content_basic_view/2031

I didn't say they were any good at it, but they seem to be listening to how we react in realtime and trying to respond.

Well there is a difference between taking care of the spin and trying to

but yeah, great point - they do have a PR dept. Who would've thought?

This just in, LAPD wasn't in charge of the firefight in the woods. It wasn't their jurisdiction.

LAPD Swat arrived in helicopters well before the cabin caught fire, so yeah they were there.

They brought in LAPD SWAT.

The John Wilkes Boothed the hell out of that guy.

+1'd for knowing your history.

Everyone make sure to save local copies (and screenshots) of every webpage you come across in regards to this case. Timestamp wherever possible.

Let's go a step further and start a campaign to spread this information. Let's mass post on Facebook, Twitter etc so more people will start questioning the official story. Show how these tactics were used before with Waco, show how the gun fight was fabricated, show how those recordings came from police scanners.

The only way to ensure Transparency is to make sure you enforce Transparency.

We could devise a plan to enforce transparency but I think people would see right through it.

I'm watching the news conference right now (2-13-13 19:15), and the police officers literally just stated that they did not intentionally start the fires. Holy shit!? And people are buying that bullshit! We have the recorded audio conversations, for fucks sake! At least admit to the obvious!

Then raise noise about it. The more attention to these recordings and peoples' testimony the harder it is to deny it.

How would you suggest one goes about this?

Keep doing what you're doing. Lots of exposure.

How can it be faked when it is heard on live TV broadcasts that ran the police scanners during the event

It isn't. We all heard it live but they will try and spin it. Any news reporter who tries to spin this should receive many, many emails calling them out with links to their fucking own news broadcast.

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Great post thank you sir! Let's get this to the top people as this is recent and relavent.

EDIT: if i don't see this in r/dornercase i'm going to post it so excuse my plagirism

EDIT2: This post is now #1 in r/DornerCase

Never apologize for plagiarism, just spread the good true news to your fellow citizens like any normal hearted person would.

/r/dornercase

link please.

Upvote for visibility. This needs attention! MSM is getting good at changing history as it happens.

Drudge Report has huge links on the front page saying the cops burned the cabin down on purpose using burners. He's about as mainstream as you can get.

Once again we will witness reality in a major event and few days later we will be told that it happened completely different. tomorrow the Troll debunkers of the FBI will descend on the Internet with their version as truth, and all this will become a conspiracy.

...I heard them say it in real time. What the actual fuck.

Unfortunately it was broadcast live on multiple stations repeatedly.

There was over 20,000 people listening to those scanners, myself included. So I'm sure all those people heard when 7 burners deployed was said, more than once- why aren't they playing that on the news. Any one else notice the scanner audio on the news is edited? Next time shit is going down I'm recording those scanners!!

Next time, you won't have the benefit of recording the audio because the feed will be cut. They just didn't get to it in time in this case.

http://gawker.com/5983783/christopher-dorner-currently-engaged-in-gun-battle-with-police-in-big-bear

To me there is no mistaking what they said. Like others have stated in this thread...thousands of people heard it live on the scanners. Not only did we hear it live but I'm sure plenty of us among those thousands were constantly F5ing one of a probably a few threads that were going here on reddit where people were giving updates on what was heard on the scanners. I know the one I was F5ing was spammed with posts of several people hearing the exact same thing.

His name was Christopher Dorner.

HIS name was Christopher Dorner.

They did it in 9/11, they have had over a decade of practice.

I was following this on CNN and I could have sworn someone said that Dorner tried to escape the building but that they pushed him back in. Maybe my mind is playing tricks on me, it can be so hard to multitask while on Reddit

I read that too. Somewhere online(probably here on reddit) there is a NEWS screen shot saying they pushed him back inside.

Someone needs to find this so we don't look like tin-foil hat wearing loonies.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2013/02/12/police-checking-reports-that-ex-lapd-officer-dorner-sighted/

[Updated at 9:14 p.m. ET] Earlier, we reported that U.S. Marshals Service district chief Kurt Ellingson told us a suspect tried to get out the back door of the cabin at some point today and was pushed back inside. But there are now conflicting reports about whether the suspect ever emerged.

http://www.hangthebankers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Chris-Dorner-pushed-back-inside-burnt-alive.jpeg

Push back in this context probably means they shot at him until he retreated back into the home.

Yeah that's what I'm starting to think. But that's a pretty poor choice of words for a building that catches fires. The should have said they force him to retreat or something

"We didn't start the fire" Billy Joel would be proud.

They are talking about the audio right now on CNN.

They can claim what they want, they said burners and poof the house is on fire. The site I was using "went down" right after they started the fire, 30k + people listing to the same feed I was.

Wolf Blitzer on CNN just now talking about how people are questioning if the way the cabin caught fire was fault of the police department. Now is a good time to tune in.

The people of LA need to march to that police headquarters and make them tell the truth. Stay there, be peaceful, and just shine the light of truth on those pieces of garbage.

Then proceed to get arrested on false charges

I don't believe Dorner's dead. Its makes no sense to me, a person with his experience and knowledge of the tactics used by police/navy. He years of planing for whatever he wanted to do. I feel like he's a real-life jason borune.

Perhaps you're giving someone who is/was mentally unstable a little too much credit?

He did have the entire LAPD after him after all.

The Toronto Star has picked up on it, as well. I can't find any American news sources discussing it though.

What if two asian woman lived in that cabin. I mean this is pretty fucked up.

It is fake because 'like we talked about' is not said with that phrase in the original audio

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCQ2FQo5quc

this is the exact audio that was uploaded to /r/dornercase on archive.org

that 5 minute radio clip is heavily edited

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T6cG7FC71c

that was during the initial shootout, before everything was locked down. That came from a civilian, who wasnt there much longer.

Yeah because civilians are on a police band screaming obscenities. Get a new agency -- the one you're working for sucks ass.

Guys, E-mail CNN, ABC, FOX news, NBC, your local radio stations about this. The more emails they get the more likely they will be to cover it.

does this really surprise you though? we all knew they weren't going to own up to it.

If anyone has downloaded versions of the audio and video from earlier, I would really appreciate an email. All I have my phone and can't download anything from YouTube, but I'd love to send these to my local stations.

What's the difference? What's it going to change?

Nothing.

Haha, "fabricating in real time"

Read.

http://www.reddit.com/r/DornerCase/comments/18exha/audio_of_the_san_bernardino_county_sheriff_system/c8ehke7

Who gives a shit about any statement uttered from a former assistant FBI director?

"The term "burner" had led to speculation that the fire had been started deliberately, but burner is thought to be police slang for tear gas, and may refer to "BurnSafe" containers for CS gas canisters, made by the Covina-Thomas Company in Covina, California. On its website the company lists among its recent customers the LAPD, although not the San Bernardo County sheriff's office, which led the raid."

pssshhhhh

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and whats with the reports of him trying to surrender and being pushed back into the cabin?

Sarcasm...

Great work u/TheWiredWorld as the same post i reposted on r/dornercase is #1 there

this aggression will not stand, man. This feels as staged as sandy hook.

How can you verify that this is real or fake when it was released less than 12 hours after the event took place, and we are debating it less than 24 hours after the event? Does anyone here actually have experience in audio verification?

Thousands of people heard it live on the police scanners

Please support this. I am not splitting hairs, but to say it was "heard" requires actual witnesses.

Also, thousands of people saw planes hit the WTC.. yet we still debate that.

No one ever debates that the planes hit the towers... just ther surrounding facts or so called facts.

Maybe not the towers but I responded to someone still questioning if a plane hit the Pentagon just yesterday. I was on the road with hundreds of others in rush hour traffic that saw the whole thing. However, apparently I and every one on the road are called anecdotal evidence and/or government misinformation agents. I have been waiting on my government misinformation agent paycheck since 9/11/01. Nothing.

I understand, there is a fine line in not releasing accurate / all information, and the far-fetched conspiracies.

Everybody heard it, no question about what was said. The videos aren't fake, the LAPD was on the radio and there officers said what they said. This time there is a massive amount of evidence to support this and the only way this can be played down is the media bullshitting people.

Anyone can fake a video with audio over it. It happens all the time. usually police procedures are not to release any evidence even their tracking of a suspect till the investigation is closed and apprehended. This came from above, and is a shill scam if I ever saw one. Saying "I heard it" doesn't mean it's not a fake. Lots of people heard Orsen Welles' "War of the Worlds" but it was still fake. Wake up sheeple. you've been had.

You should really ditch your agency; only the bad ones tell you to use the word "sheeple."

who the hell says it wasn't hit with planes? no one, it isnt what took it down tho

Really? nobody ever claims it? Do some research... http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ek-Q0T9wK2g

The fire is just a coverup. This whole thing is a hoax to prove that even former cops can't be trusted with guns and neither are we. They are creating the fire videos to prove that this is like Waco, when in fact the fire and the building blowing out, which you will see the doors were which they said also on the tape were the result of a hellfire missle from the DHS drones. The fire and LAPD are the scapegoats for Obama's home drone war. Wake up sheeple. you are so gullible you'll accept the first conspiracy theory you see, even if it comes from the hand of those you claim to suspect.

As an outsider I've been watching this unravel. As was written plainly in Behold a Pale Horse, U.S. citizens will have their guns taken so they cannot fight back. The evidence of CIA involvment, past police officers and soldiers going on rampages, professional hitmen, psy-ops and drugged up shooters points to this being pre-planned. Boy was Obama quick to start rallying over gun control; lucky this culminated on the day of his annual speech. It was almost as aptly timed as Osama bin Laden's second death. Heh.

However, give people more credit regarding the planes. It's disinformation released to discredit the movement for transparency and truth. In reality it wouldn't even matter if the towers themselves were holograms; the important information lies in the money trail and all those stories that just don't add up. Anyone still arguing over semantics like that has missed the point.

you must get off on thinking you're the only awak person don't you? Great job blasting other looking for the truth

Dude, dig through here, there's tons of links.

You still have not addressed the fact that eye witnesses are very unreliable and claiming you heard/saw something can be polluted by disinformation spread. Who is to say that this isn't all a ploy by the LAPD, San Bernadino and the "rogue" officer himself to create a fear of those who can be trusted to own 34 legally registered guns? Burning the house down is a way to coverup his death when he's really cointelpro bringing about the destruction of our 2nd ammendment rights and generating sympathy for the police while they slowly gain powers over the common man.

Dude slow down. You're saying eye witnesses are unreliable in one breath and saying he's cointelpro like it's a fact in another.

except there are tons of videos of the live stream where the police said over the scanner to deploy burners, as well as ' burn that fucker out '

There are also tons of videos of 9/11 and the hologram planes hitting... what's your point? You saw and heard what they wanted you to see and hear.

Troll.

so I did some research.. apparently cops can use whatever strategy is necessary to neutralize a threat when lives are on the line. This includes burning down a cabin. (they also confirmed that nobody else was in the cabin before burning it down) so guess you can all stop bitching about Dorner now.. everything the police did was legal, case closed.

Thanks judge, jury and executioner. Can you provide the legal material which specifically states this escalation of force is legal?

California Penal Code Section 197. and yes, "deadly force" includes burning him alive.

The Bible....eye for an eye.

That's Hamurabi's code, not the bible.

How did they confirm that nobody else was in there if they weren't physically in the cabin. He could have possibly had someone tied and shoved under a bed.

And they can't even confirm that it was, in fact, Dorner.

They haven't admitted that the fire was started intentionally, but the cabin owner confirmed it was empty. I suppose it's possible that he could have kidnapped someone and held them hostage, but that wouldn't make much sense if someone is trying to lay low. If a person is missing, chances are friends/family are gonna report it, which means greater chance of the kidnapper being found. Also, it's possible they used infrared or some other fancy tech. Either way, they were right. Dorner's body was the only one recovered from the cabin.

infrared scope, duh

You are getting downvoted but I could not agree more. All their tactics are considered legal.

http://www.lapdonline.org/inside_the_lapd/content_basic_view/2031

I didn't say they were any good at it, but they seem to be listening to how we react in realtime and trying to respond.

Hence the ........

Thanks, but I'd rather just live life until it ends. Sounds like a terrible waste of time just to gain a couple of days or hours.

Is it really?

literally dozens of subreddits!

Do you really think it matters? This is nothing new, and the news media isn't going to hold them to task.

Waco... never forget.

Bill Hicks would disagree..

Good job, spam that shit!

wait... you can change your reddit username?

Keep doing the lord's work

OK, this BBC article http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-21454483 the police say "The pyrotechnic-type canisters are commonly referred to as burners."

It may be arguable that these are not made to specifically start fires, but they are normally deployed out of doors and when they are deployed indoors they usually start a fire because as the BBC article states "he acknowledged the pyrotechnic tear gas canisters "generate a lot of heat"." - yes, because they are burning. There are non-pyrotechnic tear gas canisters that are normally deployed indoors when they don't want to burn the place down.

Check out this BBC story - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-21454483

The police quote from this is "The pyrotechnic-type canisters are commonly referred to as burners."

There are non-pyrotechnic gas canisters that are normally used indoors. This military type is normally used for outdoors only (unless you want to start a fire)