The only relationship is that they want to destroy Christianity.

All religion should be destroyed.

But so should the NWO.

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so? I bet they also drink water and eat food

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I think retard is leaking from your mind

Quite the comeback

you crossposting from /r/funny?

Religion is to keep us away from finding out true power locked away in ourselves. Look into DNA and light-photons. Look into the codons that are being more active in children being born in the last 10 years. It's interesting stuff.

They need to control us from every angle from religion to entertainment. Look into Mystery Babylon.

Yes indeed sir. You should check this out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtExkh6ZiNU

Much appreciated. Will definitely watch this. It is 11 PM though...so maybe tomorrow haha.

It's absolutely amazing info. Let me know what you think when your done. Enjoy. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vb9R0x_0NQ&list=LLNL9Zj7JN762rjhjbhMH53A

Something I thought i would pass on in return. Not sure if you have seen it but very intriguing. It's about our vibrational state. And frequency.

I have seen his. Extremely enlightening. Love it. I can't get enough of this kind of info.

All religions are just a way to control us. Keep us separated in our little "communities" and fight against each other.

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Gandhi was Hindu.

So like one for every 50 million. That probability could go for literally anything.

Amen.

Good thing Jesus is reality, not religion.

Prove that he's 'reality'.

That's a silly question to ask over the internet. Prove you have two hands to me.

You can't even do that...so do you really expect me to try and prove Jesus is real over the internet? LOL

I can send you a photo of my hands, and written text with my username.

That's still not proof. They could be your friends hands, or mom's, or whoevers. I don't know what you look like, so it's impossible for you to actually prove you are showing me YOUR two hands.

Get what I'm saying?

Well, if you believe that a dog could take my place...

Anyways, I've 2 hands, because I type on a keyboard, just like you. With this evidence is enough to prove that my two hands are indeed, intact.

I can type with one hand, and I could very well get someone to type for me, or use the software to do voice to text.

You say "With this evidence" Yet you have shown me nothing.

You definitely have not proven in any way that you have two hands.

If we're going by our word, instead of showing each other actual physical evidence, I'll rest my case by saying that when I asked Jesus to heal me of depression, He did. So, therefore, He is proven real.

You use the effect that your supposed hands have on the keyboard (allowing you to type) as evidence for your hands (which isn't evidence, but I'm playing this your way), so it's logical for me to say the effect of me praying to Jesus and me being healed proves He is real.

I can type with one hand

One hand typing impedes on the speed of writing.

software to do voice to text

voice-to-text isn't as fast, and would've many grammatical mistakes. Also, I couldn't copy-paste.

You say "With this evidence" Yet you have shown me nothing.

Well, you said that the picture isn't enough.

I'll rest my case by saying that when I asked Jesus to heal me of depression, He did. So, therefore, He is proven real.

"When I asked the flying spaghetti monster near Saturn to heal me from depression he did, therefore he is proven real".

as evidence for your hands

It's logical, as most people have hands, and use two hands to type on a keyboard. Therefore, you can deduct that I've two hands, by determining at the speed I write, and grammatical errors I make, or lack thereof.

Sound arguments and valid points, yet you have not irrefutably proven to me you have two hands. Okay, the flying spaghetti monster exists, but he is not as powerful as God :)

Life on earth is balanced on razors edge. If the sun were a few degrees away, we would freeze. Any closer, we would burn up. A scientist put together some numbers after calculating all the impossibly balanced things that allow life to exist on earth. How insanely precise it is. The chance of life randomly happening were 0.000001 --- with so many zeroes, easily one hundred, that the chance was literally zero that life just happened the way it did.

Logically it is more likely that we are the product of an all powerful Creator. It makes sense. When you look out at the beauty of the universe, the earth, mankind, and other life, it's only logical to think, that with the literal impossibility that this was all chance, that we are the product of a higher being.

I say he's as powerful!

Lol :)

Uh huh... Please, go on with this nonsense.

Jesus is reality :)

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

1 John 4:18

God is love. If you have love in your heart, the spirit of God resides within you. And that makes you powerful beyond measure.

Amen.

Well said sir

Amen!

Leviticus 20:13:

“‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Leviticus 20:27:

A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them.

Exodus 21:15:

"Anyone who attacks his father or his mother must be put to death."

Proverbs 20:20:

If a man curses his father or mother, his lamp will be snuffed out in pitch darkness.

Leviticus 20:9:

For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.

Deuteronomy 22:20-21:

If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done an outrageous thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house. You must purge the evil from among you.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29:

If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

'god is love'. You're hilarious.

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Matthew 5:18-19:

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Luke 16:17:

It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law.

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When jesus died, we no longer had to make sacrifices and needed only to repent our sins.

Oh really? Then why are christians so opposed to homosexual marriage? Anyways, why would even 'need' to repent?

You must read the entire bible to be able to put the entire bible into context.

That's not how it's read.

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God is definitely angry when we disobey. His wrath is talked about plenty, especially around the parts you quoted.

Your god seems more like an entitled egoistical child, who cannot control his emotions, than a all-knowing, all-powerful god.

I have a very liberal way of looking at Biblical texts. I see them as inspired but not completely infallible. It's incredibly arrogant of man to think that the God could be anthropomorphized within our limited systems of understanding. Language, logic, physics? All great feats for intelligent apes like us but to be quite frank, we are barely skimming the surface concerning epistemological issues. A wise man knows that he knows nothing. Of course, he knows a few things; certain ontological truths as verified by our 5 senses. However, these become vanities; they become delusions even when we start to believe that all we can perceive is all that can exist. Therefore the most honest and humble men, those who were not blinded by egos, motivated by pride, all held a position of skepticism or as some would call agnosticism. Not materialism and definitely not atheism.

Some food for thought.

People who believe in the Illuminati are almost always Christians, as it is a theory that satanists are running the world.

NWO comes in split meanings, recently it is referencing a nefarious group a la Illuminati. More appropriately it is used not as a group, but as an agenda pursuing global government.

I have not noticed a single fervent christian on this sub, though there is the occasional man of faith. It seems to me that not many people here actually believe in the Illuminati nonsense. It is usually brought up with little backing besides artistic freedom used in music videos (aka: rock-solid evidence), and those who post such tripe generally don't participate in their own thread, much less the community in general.

Also, imho, the terms NWO and Illuminati should not be used because you sound like a nutjob. I simply refer to them as TPTB (the powers that be). The term is entirely interchangeable with iluminati/nwo, but also expands the context beyond their limited realms.

When God cast Satan down to the earth, satan started plotting. Fast forward and now you have a world run by people who are under his influence. The only hope mankind has is Yeshua coming back to get rid of evil once and for all.

This is enlightenment, this is transcendence.

I believe the original Illuminati ones were.

Now I feel that the "Illuminati" is either some sort of metaphor or overall term used for those in power who we don't know, or just some sort of running joke.

I think they're satanic and bent on fulfilling end times prophecy

I think the interesting part is that religion tells an important story, but people worship the details.

The NWO wants to eliminate the message of the story, and the people are only worried about not being able to repeat the details anymore. The focus is on eliminating your spiritual connection to Creation. How you make that connection doesn't matter, what the NWO concerns itself with is total control of your mind, body, and spirit. If you are spiritual, then they must either become God or make spirituality unimportant to you. Otherwise, there exists within you a space they cannot control, and THAT is their biggest fear.

Every moment the NWO does not have total control over you, there exists the possibility of successful insurrection against their plans.

I think you can find a certain "conspiratorial" subtheme within Christianity. The City of God versus the City of Man kind of stuff. But down to the particular stuff like Malachy's prophecies (which have been proven to be a forgery) and The Book of Revelation (which isn't really about the end times), I don't like to read into those things.

Revelation not about the end times? Lol, have you even read it?

I have read revelation and it's definitely about the end times.

Are you sure about that? There are some that see it as a guidebook to the Catholic Mass. This is what I'm talking about.

My understanding is that revelations refers to the time of the persecution of early christian sects.

I always wondered what do the dead seas scrolls say about the contemporary Jesus?

If the amount of christians (rougly 3 billion) actually did what Christ said to do, which is warm believers of hell, I think the world would have killed us all by now. But, nope, 90%+ of those who profess to be christians don't care at all about the people around them going to hell.

If you look at Joe Atwill and Jon Irvin's work, along with John Allegro, it seems more likely that the bible is sort of a "collected stories" of ancient pagan heritage along with a lampooning of the warring Jews in Rome, conquered by Titus Flavius.

That about sum's it up.....It was a way for the Romans in power to control the Jews.

I like how we're being voted down by believers who probably have not even bothered to consider that research.

Yet, you down vote us for speaking about our faith. Awesome, isn't it :)

No, I didn't. How accepting of you. Hypocrite.

I used the word "you" as a generalization for all the atheists that normally do down vote me for such a thing. I wasn't specifically calling you out. Name caller! :)

Why not go ahead and challenge yourself by reading or entertaining opposing views. You seem quite proud to espouse your under-researched faith as truth yet unwilling to consider contradictory information. Religion is weakness. Spirituality has value. But to subscribe to the idea "my God is supreme God" is like fighting over whether Batman can beat Superman.

I have explored many other areas besides christianity, but thanks :)

If your faith were so strong, contrary info would have no effect. You wouldn't bother with that no would ya? Just vote down anyone who has dug deeper. A closed mind is a safe mind.

It doesn't have an effect. I'm saying it for YOUR benefit so you know that all christians don't just blindly follow their faith, therefore you are now armed with knowledge that you can use to not assume that all christians are blind sheep. Because when you assume that a person like me who is obviously a christian needs to challenge themselves by pondering other view points, you come off as arrogant and ignorant.

I was in no way personally troubled by your post or defensive. Just trying to help you out :)

Yeah I could see how recommending someone consume all available information would sound arrogant to someone who knows everything already and therefore does not consider information. How ignorant of me to share my thoughts that there is information that I as a formerly spiritual person, and catholic before that, found helpful and enlightening in my understanding of the world. But hey. the bible's all ya need right. Every fact that matters right there.

You come off as arrogant and ignorant by suggesting you know all you need to kno and no other information is worth considering.

So there.

Yet, I already told you I have delved into other religions, and at one point was atheist. That means I HAVE considered other information. Read what I said and stop putting words in my mouth.

As I've read through some conspiracies, at some point in my research I come across religion. As an existentialist that studies all religions (albeit, new to some) I have a fear of another "Noah's ark". But again, religions have taught me there will always be good vs evil, yin/yang. Karma etc. and I feel we will be our own demise an it may have been prophesized. But I will continue to grow my organic food in my back yard an donate it an give what I can to be "good".

In short, TPTB MAY be dark forces...or just assholes. And really, doing good is the only way to prevail. So...just be good, an everything will be okay IMO.

My friend, I say this is the kindest way possible, but being good will only benefit you in this life, it will not get you into eternity with the Father.

Fuck the Father.

Repent of your sins so that you may be saved. Refuse to repent and you will be eternally apart from Love.

Keep up the good fight brother. May Jesus bless you!

You as well! :)

Bullshit thinking like that is what religion is good for. We only live ONCE.

On this earth, yes, then it's to the afterlife.

fuck you and your selfish afterlife.

I didn't ask for it.

me either.

Kittens are cute.

No matter what religion you believe in, the ultimate truth will be revealed upon the next stage of life (death) until then humans will always look to the heavens and believe in a god or no god that fits their life experiences and conditioning. One thing for sure is that the powers at be will try and wipe Christianity of the face of this earth.

David Flynn makes a good argument.

As an atheist myself None of it exists the illuminati are to Satan as what Christians are to god their disciples and servants

In case any one is confused I believe illumanti exists but the repiefipn part of everything I don't believe

Anytime I find a reference to getting right with god or having jesus in your heart on a conspiracy website, it loses all credibility with me.

I just want to say fuck all you Christians who are coming in here and downvoting anyone with an agnostic or atheist viewpoint. How fucking juvenile.

Religion flies planes into buildings.

Don't you mean the US government?

The definition of martyrs for Christians are those who will die for the faith.

The definition of martyrs for Muslims are those who will KILL for the faith.

Polar opposites. One is Love and the other is Hate.

Have you flipped through the Talmud? The Jewish "holy book" preaches fucking over anyone who is not kosher (aka goys). Religion is a poison for the benefit of popes and kings. Religion divides the masses and keeps the proles too busy to realize they are being screwed over by the 1%.

When Jews are sworn into office, do they put their hand over the Talmud or the Tanakh?

Yes, religion is for population control. That's why they hate Christians because it has no central point of authority except through Jesus Christ who is the High Priest, Lord and King.

• Catholicism is a religion (has Pope for central control),

• Islam is a religion (has Caliphate for central control),

• Mormonism is a religion (has President for central control)

A Christian's High Authority is Jesus Christ. We can't be controlled by the NWO because of that and they don't like that.

Edit: That's just one of the reasons why they don't like Christianity.

Cool story bro.

They also may not like it because

• Satan is behind every false religion and hates God, so the powers that be are naturally inclined to hate those who follow the one true God, Yahweh..

I'm not sure where this division comes from? As a christian I believe Jesus is the ultimate truth, yet I do not hate atheists or any other religion. I would gladly stand with any of you regardless of your faith or lack there of, if you were in need.

The only division I believe in is when Jesus comes back and separates those who love Him from those who don't.

The Elite created all 3 of the Abrahamic religions as weapons of war! Do they have anything to do with Christianity. Here, know the enemy.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtExkh6ZiNU

The Holy Bible is the truth. Illuminati wants to destroy it without having to burn it.

Check out some good Christian truthers:

• Bill Schnoebelen
• Phil Schneider
• John Todd
• Fritz Springmeier
• Kent Hovind
• Alex Jones (even though he is disliked much on this subreddit without proper justification)

That's just a few good ones.

Is this a joke? The Bible doesn't even get parts of history correct. It's laughable to suggest it is "the truth".

Please back this up with evidence.

The bible states that the earth is a sphere, while the earth believed it was flat, thousands of years before we had the technology to prove it was round.

Tell me, how would the writers of the bible back then have this knowledge? That's just one example of knowledge in the bible they should not have been able to have unless given it by God.

Yeah, just that christians believed the Earth was flat for thousands of years... before scientists discovered it was round. They must've been following their religion wrong then right?

You're exactly right. The bible states it is a sphere, so why people claiming to follow this book still thought it was flat is beyond me.

If you're going to claim to follow a faith, at least follow it...jees.

The bible states it is a sphere

No, it doesn't.

It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

The word rendered 'circle' (חוּג chûg) denotes "a circle, sphere, or arch"

Whether they called it a circle, sphere, or disk, my point still stands (as said in other translations). They definitely eluded that is was a sphere, and not flat.

Isaiah 11:12:

And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

I didn't know that the Earth has corners.

The original Hebrew translation does not say corners, but "wings".

Really? Your source?

Revelation 7:1:

After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree.

Four angels holding four winds on four corners of the earth?

Online transliteration bible. http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/Hebrew_Index.htm

Regardless, your argument isn't going anywhere, because the earth is round, and like I said, the original translation in hebrew was wings, we translated it to corners because it's the best word we have. People still use the "4 corners of the earth" statement even though it's not fully accurate. As a figure of speech it works out just fine.

Matthew 4:8:

Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor.

This is impossible, unless the Earth was flat.

I can quote more.

But you and I already know the earth wasn't flat.

Has it crossed your mind that Jesus (being God) and satan being an angel, a spiritual being, might have different ways of seeing things than we do, as they are not bound by physical laws?

Also, satan could have been showing Him in a vision type form, making them appear before his eyes like images.

Aside from whatever opinion you have of the Bible, the fact is, it would actually be impossible for the supernatural to be absent during a meeting between Jesus and the devil, as described in Matthew 4:1-8. How else would the devil manage to find Jesus in the desert in Matthew 4:3? How else would the devil bring Jesus to the 'the highest point of the temple' in Matthew 4:5? And how else would he transport Jesus to the 'very high mountain' in Matthew 4:8?

Matthew's portrayal of the meeting between Jesus and the devil involves the supernatural. So how did the devil represent to Jesus 'all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor'? The answer seems obvious: by means of the supernatural.

So why does the devil take Jesus up to a 'very high mountain' when he could have used his supernatural powers in a valley, or in a plain, etc., to show Jesus all the kingdoms of the world? Because, a king is elevated. It is the king who has the highest seat in a palace. It is the king who has the highest seat in a coliseum. It is the king to whom others lower themselves by bowing.

So if the devil is going to tempt someone by offering to make him the king of the world, where else would be more appropriate than the top of a 'very high mountain?'

Consider the succession of temptations in Matthew 4:1-11:

• The first takes place in a desert.

• The second involves the highest point on the Temple in Jerusalem.

• And the third takes place on a mountain.

The pattern is clear: As the loftiness of the temptation increases, so does the height from which it is offered.

But, for the sake of argument, what if a person, who lived during the time of Jesus, actually thought that the earth was flat? Would that person really think that if he stood on a high mountain that he would be able to see the entire world - all the kingdoms in their splendor?

That would be easy to doubt. You don't have to be a 21st-century scientist to realize that there are limits as to how far the human eye can perceive detail and color. Anyone standing on a hilltop overlooking a valley, or standing on a shoreline looking out to the sea, would realize that the human eye can see only so far before details are washed out into the horizon.

Even a person living in ancient times would have realized that he could not see far enough, under any normal circumstances, to see all of the kingdoms of the world from any one vantage point.

Remember, the ancients traveled by foot. They often measured their journeys by the number of days that it took to complete the trip. The Bible records many examples of this. A man living in ancient times, taking a journey that lasted a day or more, would have realized that even when there are no trees or mountains or hills to obstruct your view, you still can't see your destination point at the start of your journey.

Figure of speech. (North, South, East, West)

Obviously there are not literal corners. You have done nothing to show that the early bible writers were not actually referring to the earth as round when they said "Circle".

No, it just shows that there are many contradictions, when the supposed 'god' doesn't make mistakes. I guess 'he' does?

Also

2 Peter 20-21:

Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

Not a figure of speech.

You don't understand that verse.

It's talking about prophecy, and how the prophet's didn't just make up their own prophecies, but they wrote what God told them to.

Definitely not saying everything in the bible is to be taken literally. When Jesus said "take this bread, it is my body." Was it actually His body? No, it symbolized it, as the bread was broken, so was His body.

No, the verse says that you cannot interpret anything your own way. How do you NOT interpret the bible your own way? It's impossible.

No where in that verse does it say "You can not interpret the bible your own way."

The only thing that comes close is "No prophecy of scripture came about they the prophet's own interpretation of things." This verse is purely about prophecy and how prophets did not just make up the prophecies based on what they thought.

What you are saying and what the scripture is saying is worlds apart.

Anyways, this whole debacle is useless, as your claim is wrong that people didn't know that the Earth was round before christianity.

The first one was Eratosthenes. He was the first to measure the circumference of the Earth[and to discover that Earth is round], and only missed by 2% of its true value.

Uhhh, I never said people didn't know the Earth was round before christiantiy. Go up and read my comments.

People on reddit sure like putting words in my mouth, LOL

Really? The bible also states that the sky was a water canopy, that Jewish slaves built the Pyramids, and that an old man built a big enough boat to fit two of every single animal on earth. None of which are true.

"Prove its not the truth" there are facts in the book, like that their were people on earth and they had names. Why didn't they put any of the other original gospels in? Because they were even more shitbrained than the ones in use now.

Religion aside, the so-called new world order is an egotistical and arrogant contrivance intended to control the natural world. It will fail and it will fail catastrophically.

The Bible is false. All ties to "god" or "popes" or "revelations" are akin to prophecies made by voodoo priests or as real as prophecies about Dragonborns.

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Kids born with cancer, deformities, never hearing of Christianity, people with tattoos, gay people, all other religions, still borns all just get passed over then?

Shitty end of the stick.

http://www.ambrosiasociety.org/files/herbofimmortality.pdf you'd probably enjoy this, especially with amanita and jesus. Also, our brains look for patterns and coincidence in everything we happen to catch with our senses. It's the reason we see faces in burnt toast. Religion, science, nothing is completely concrete. The moment you think you know is when you stop thinking naturally. If god is real, and you have been a good person for your life, and he doesn't let you into heaven because you didn't believe some book written by some people however many years ago and you didn't kiss his ass with your thoughts then fuck him. Seriously.

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You're biased.

I disagree.

Explain to me why Dorner is an atheist? Explain why so many mass killings in the past 10 or 20 years have been all done by atheists?

People who have no faith or belief in the bible and God tend to care little about life. Why should life have value if when we die we are only food for earthworms?

You don't know every single atheist's view on life. As stated, I'm an atheist and I don't even step on bugs. I'm a pacifist, and if I could, I'd be a conscientious objector even.

Just because someone believes in sky cake doesn't mean they are peaceful people. See: the crusades, the inquisition, founding of the Americas, the Salem Witch Trials, the Bible, etc...

EDIT: EXPLAIN TO YOU WHY DORNER IS AN ATHIEST? I dunno, lemme go ask him. Believe it or not, I never met the guy. Why he himself chose to be an atheist, I haven't the faintest. My guess, if I was locked in a flaming cabin and forced to give an answer, would be because he seems like an intelligent fellow.

I feel like the ancient aliens theory is more believable then one revolving around "gods". Or maybe the united consciousness thing.

I feel like a walking contradiction being an atheist and a conspiracy theorist.

Revelation not about the end times? Lol, have you even read it?

I have read revelation and it's definitely about the end times.

I can type with one hand

One hand typing impedes on the speed of writing.

software to do voice to text

voice-to-text isn't as fast, and would've many grammatical mistakes. Also, I couldn't copy-paste.

You say "With this evidence" Yet you have shown me nothing.

Well, you said that the picture isn't enough.

I'll rest my case by saying that when I asked Jesus to heal me of depression, He did. So, therefore, He is proven real.

"When I asked the flying spaghetti monster near Saturn to heal me from depression he did, therefore he is proven real".

as evidence for your hands

It's logical, as most people have hands, and use two hands to type on a keyboard. Therefore, you can deduct that I've two hands, by determining at the speed I write, and grammatical errors I make, or lack thereof.

You don't understand that verse.

It's talking about prophecy, and how the prophet's didn't just make up their own prophecies, but they wrote what God told them to.

Definitely not saying everything in the bible is to be taken literally. When Jesus said "take this bread, it is my body." Was it actually His body? No, it symbolized it, as the bread was broken, so was His body.

Are you sure about that? There are some that see it as a guidebook to the Catholic Mass. This is what I'm talking about.

My understanding is that revelations refers to the time of the persecution of early christian sects.

I always wondered what do the dead seas scrolls say about the contemporary Jesus?