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lol, tell that to the conspiratards. We are all jew hating, lizard overlord believing 12 year olds in their eyes.

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well played sir, well played

If r/politics was rational, there would be no need for r/conspiracy. I think you are voicing a frustration that many of us feel. This faceless social media interaction is not helping our movement like it should be... it feels controlled.

I think our biggest mistake (collectively) is assuming that the world is a fair place and social platforms are not manipulated. The control is everywhere and misinformation is everywhere.

Thanks for being pissed off though - it is always good to hear that I'm not alone.

r/politics is filled with rich, idiot spoiled white suburban hipster "liberals" (more like fascists) who worship the state, hate private enterprise, deify Obama, and are shills for the Democratic party.

I don't disagree, but what would it look like if it was filled with young, idiot, uneducated white rural and suburban "conservatives" (more like bigots) who worship the worst parts of the Bible, reject diversity, deify Ayn Rand, and are shills for the Tea Party. Bet you would be a lot more interested.

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Same here. I posted a fact debunking someones crazy statement down voted 20 times...... Deleted that when I woke up in the AM

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Main reason I got an account. That and r/atheism.

/r/atheism is fucking stupid

Seriously, one massive circle jerk about feeling cool about not believing in god. It's god damned pathetic honestly, and I'm a devout secularist who thinks religion is the original pyramid scam...

I am one who believes everyone needs to find god on their own, however the fact that religion is a pyramid scam NOWdays doesn't mean it always was. At one point Christianity held value, but it has since been taken over and corrupted. The kids at /r atheism simply do not yet understand the true nature of the universe.

Atheism is the saddest type of religion. absolutely nothing to look up too. With the incredibly unfathomable creation of every little thing, how can you not believe in "something". I mean a first principle. A thought. and then BIG BANG. Creation at its most beautiful moment! I don't really believe in religion either, but I think that some things cannot, and will not, ever be explained by science alone. Both religion (or spiritual [My preference) and science both mutual explore to seek the truth. they just have different methods of doing so!

Magic is only a science we havent discovered yet.

Atheism is the saddest type of religion.

hahahah you're hilarious.

With the incredibly unfathomable creation of every little thing,

pft.

Well I hope you try DMT or Acid one day my friend, or possibly get in a terrible accident in which your rendered unconscious and in a coma and have the most beautiful Trip of your life. Maybe then will you go all biblical over the existence of things and you'll take your head out of your ass believing the only god that exists is yourself.

I think by spirituality you mean philosophy. Philosophy is in its nature full of bias. While I understand your idea: that it may be naive to think that science will solve all the great mysteries of the universe...it may be even more naive to believe that it will not. Scientific rigor is young and has truth as its goal...unlike spirituality which will just makes you feel warm and fuzzy and is self-limiting.

How is spirituality self limiting? Gandhi had a lot of faith and it gave him the strength to take on the British Government. MLK Jr. Was given that strength in America. In fact many have a great deal of unwavering strength and courage when they believe they are on the same side as the will of God. Whether God is real or just an untapped magnificent wellspring of potential caused by the placebo effect, spirituality has been the opposite of self limiting for billions.

If by self limiting, you're referring to the paradigm one must box oneself into to subscribe to a specific religious dogma, I tend to agree.

If by self limiting, you're referring to giving up various modes of distraction such as cigarette smoking, compulsive gambling and unbridled selfishness manifested in myriad ways, then I disagree, as every vice that is given up in the search for Truth is but a chain of bondage broken. When one quits smoking, they're given freedom from the slavery to nicotine as their master. The same could be applied to many "vices" one feels compulsively compelled to do.

When one gives up the limiting beliefs of reliance on external transitory sensations for comfort and journeys inward all kinds of self empowerment can unfold.

/r/atheism is leaking

Agreed

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remarkable for a misspelled subreddit.

Me too.

Well, that's almost quitting. Best to stay and fight.

Oh they just made a mistake in naming that subreddit is all. They meant to call it /r/ignorance, but /r/politics accidentally came out, and they just ended up keeping that name instead.

I think you guys would get dibs on /r/ignorance over /r/politics.

"You guys" as in the people that come to this subreddit? Like um...you?

Oh but you just come here to "make fun of this subreddit" right? Is that it?

Okay, buddy. Okay.

Jimmies Status:

[x] Rustled

[ ] Unrustled

Ignorance Status:

[ ] Acknowledged

[x] In Denial

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_burn_centers_in_the_United_States

It sucks. There really is no place for real talk anymore. People would nuch rather reada story from a source instead of looking at the source of the facts youself.

My favourite is the atheist circlejerks. Im not religeous but thats always their first attack, liken our veiws to faith. Its not ok for the bible to prove itself right, yet somehow the FDA being run by someone who has a large stake in monsanto is different??

Well, reddit already is more. It is capable of what we want.

The problem is human ego, most people have an aversion to anything that goes against their opinions or what they "knew first" A lack of any effort is very present in MOST of us as well. Why figure out whats going on when you can just be TOLD right?

I find the best way to wake someone up is slowley. Subtley show hem where their veiws are flawed without attacking their ego. It doesn't take any longer then yelling at them for months. Make your own groups to discuss things.

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Always remain skeptical, i constantly refresh my memory, especially when reading current news stories.
I started simply by wanting to understand foreign policy better. Once i got down to the base sources it started painting a different picture pretty rapidly, for everything. Yes i agree it is always better to be awake!

Man. I've been learning a lot about ego lately and you're spot on. That's truly what allows people to wake up or not, belief structures get tangled up with ego and it can take awhile (or never) to unwind that.

Its not ok for the bible to prove itself right, yet somehow the FDA being run by someone who has a large stake in monsanto is different??

How are these two things even comparable?

I think he's referring to the old circular argument held up by Conservatives (which the liberal-left likes to bash on) that "The Bible is infallible... it says so in the Bible". It is the same thing as saying "The FDA approves of the Montsano seeds and crops" (says the Montsano-run FDA).

There's two problems I see with that.

The one I think you're more likely to agree with is that "the left" doesn't generally have any more trust in the FDA, and especially not Monsanto, than "the right". You'll see Monsanto frequently criticised in /r/politics, and indeed, everywhere on Reddit.

The second, which I think you're less likely to agree with, is that the FDA hiring one guy, even to a high up position from Monsanto does not mean Monsanto are running the whole administration by any means. You don't even know if he's loyal to Monsanto. You might even argue who better for the job than an inside man who knows the tricks of the trade. In fact, according to Wikipedia:

Anti-biotechnology activist Jeremy Rifkin made charges in February, 1994 that Taylor had a conflict of interest with respect to the approval of rBST.[13] The FDA replied with a memo indicating that Taylor had recused himself from all but the final stages of the review.[13] The Washington Post reported that: "On March 15, FDA Commissioner David A. Kessler sent Rifkin a four-page letter stating that 'none of the activities of Mr. Taylor cited in your petition were in violation of any applicable law or regulation, or were otherwise inappropriate... . I believe that Mr. Taylor's behavior adhered to all applicable ethical standards.' Kessler said that Taylor had not been 'intimately' involved in Monsanto's efforts to obtain approval, as Rifkin charged, and that he was involved in the FDA's bST policy only in the final stages of review. Kessler attached a nine-page memo by FDA ethics official Jack M. Kress supporting that position. Upon arriving at the FDA in the summer of 1991, Taylor recused himself for one year from taking part in any agency action dealing directly with Monsanto or any other King and Spalding clients."[13] It also reported that "Some longtime agency critics found the charges against Taylor misplaced. Sidney Wolfe, a physician who heads the Public Citizen Health Research Group here, has filed complaints with the FDA about revolving-door ethics issues concerning other officials. But he said yesterday that 'It's barking up a silly kind of tree to be going up against Mike Taylor.' Wolfe said that 'as far as we're concerned, he's done a perfectly good job.' Wolfe compared Rifkin's charges to saying that anyone who worked for a drug company and began working for the FDA should not be allowed to say anything about drugs in general -- a stance that Wolfe characterized as 'preposterous.'"

and

Between 1996 and 2000, after briefly returning to King & Spalding, he then returned to Monsanto to become Vice President for Public Policy.[14] In 1999, a lawsuit (Alliance For Bio-Integrity v. Shalala[15][16]) and GAO report revealed considerable disagreement within the FDA concerning decisions about biotechnology products made during Taylor's tenure there. The lawsuit and report also revealed that Mr. Taylor had recused himself from matters related to Monsanto’s BGH and had “never sought to influence the thrust or content” of the agency’s policies on Monsanto’s products.

CANCER_PUNCH: Great on facts, no so great on humor.

i couldn't think of a better metaphor on the spot. I was trying to attach it to the issue of politicians going into office, pushing for laws that help a certain company, then they are hired at said company, usually with a high paying position.

Monsanto and the FDA do the same thing. When an outside source finds issues with GMO's everybody runs scurry to see what the FDA says about it. What is the point of regulations?

I actually think there was a bit of uproar over Michael Taylor's appointment to the FDA in r/politics.

Oh? i didn't know that, gonna have to take a read.

Sadly, I can only find this thread talking about it from a few months ago.

http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/u7wvd/why_did_obama_appoint_michael_taylor_monsantos/

Much less than what my admittedly biased mind can remember, and not the uproar that I would have liked to see. Seems like a lot of excuses to me...

thanks

/r/neutralpolitics is a much better alternative.

/r/politicaldiscussion is good, as well.

The existence of an alternative politics subreddit says a lot unto itself.

The radical left owns /r/politics.

Radical left lol. You mean mainstream Dems.

Not really. The hyperbole, trivialities and distractions industry owns it.

This is not a new phenomenon.

I noticed it got much, much worse after the self-serving liar /u/karmanaut and that "mega-mod, IRC hangout" crowd took over r/politics in 2008 (and the swarms of teenage Obama zealots invaded).

They're not swarms of zealots, they're shills with sock accounts (many of them).

Same playbook as Democratic Underground. Obama is a Reaganite who ran as a liberal. America noticed. Voices got silenced.

Usually the front page will have 50% of the posts about how much republicans suck and the other 50 towards Obama worship.

Once in a blue moon you'll get a half decent post where everyone has a moment of clarity but those are rare.

I have been just reading the comments, and responses on /r/politics for a long time, It is not even worth commenting. I see articles about how Hillary Clinton will be great president, and Obama on rights. I get sad when I realize most people really believe that.

Every subreddit has it's own circlejerk. The larger the subreddit is, the more obvious it becomes.

Yeah, but in /r/politics they kick out the humans so it's only shills jerking.

Over the last six months reddit I've noticed a distinct strain of conservative, totalitarian, anti-free thought vibe in Reddit.

Was it really that different before?

Yes, it was totally different, especially prior to the mass Digg migration (Back when it was all Bacon & Narwhals). You may have a dissenting view, but there were more debates than what you see today. Before it was a totally different site that allowed you to post anything you wanted and the subs weren't that big of a deal because everyone basicly used r/reddit.com. After Digg moved over here, it started to changed quite a bit, it became more main stream and subreddits became a lot larger and more structured. Then the moderation started and they killed r/reddit.com and that's when it was completed changed to what you see today.

...and back then, the existence of 'Digg bury brigades' was well established already.

Which seemed to have moved over to reddit in the form of moderators.

What do you expect? Only popular opinions get attention on reddit. It's just one big circle-jerk. If you want to have actual debates on politics, reddit is not the place to do it.

Reddit has been a circle jerk since I started using it three years ago. Even things as trivial as r/adviceanimals works as such. Oc gets posted; gets 2000 upvotes; someone uses a different verbiage, or something exactly the same thing barely tweaked; gets 2000 upvotes; cycle continues. R/politics has always been an anti-conservative circle jerk. On a similar note, how hilarious is r/conservative

I agree. These votes sites can conform you to posting what others want to hear.

Well, they can only conformize anyone vain or insecure enough to care about virtual approval points. Unfortunately, this seems to be the majority; fortunately, I'm not part of it.

Are there any unbiased news sources? Like, where do you guys get your news from?

top reddit content is easily controlled, /r/conspiracy included

yeah, it's slightly safer here.

I'm glad to see you've realized the internet and the real world are the same. False political dichotomies force people to bicker and argue over issues, passing the buck as it were. All news networks are reporting the same thing they have been handed and told to repeat. Most of it has already been run through the MSM machine, stories tweaked for their political flavor based off the networks viewers. We squabble and fight over petty issues without stopping to think, "why are we arguing, and why isn't anything getting done?"

People that try to get things done then get labeled. Dirty hippies of Occupy, Outraged octogenarians of the Tea Party, all of these organizations that may have had the purest of intentions at the start, have been corrupted, co-opted, and spun. It's sad how egotistical everyone can be. We need to realize the fundamentals as a Global species. We have 1 home. We are all biologically the same. What one side of the planet does, does have repercussions on the other side of the world. When we (the U.S.) become involved in the happenings of countries around the world, we are not always welcomed with open arms. This action of course is only one link in a giant chain. The further back on the chain you go, the more you realize that we have been lied too. What kind of world exists when the mass populous is believing in lies, and hardly questions anything? What happens to that world when the lies unravel? The numbers aren't in favor of those upholding the lies, and their power only exists in how far those under the lie will obey.

Same thing that is wrong with Democratic Underground. The Democratic party shills took it over and turned it into a disinformation stream.

There is a difference between what a subreddit is and what you expect it to be. Don't try to change a subreddit because you won't be successful, instead find ones that do what you want them to.

It's a reverb chamber.

We live in Stalinist Russia.

As always, the masses are slow to catch on.

Be positive and be supportive to those you love.

Knowledge is power.

Behold the power of propaganda.

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"Hurr durr we should just drop some nukes on North Korea and Iran and be done with it" also seems to be a popular opinion on that sub. Who in their right mind would advocate an all out nuclear war? Because that's what it is.

Same shit happens here buddy.

In /r/politics: Sheep. Sheep everywhere.

/r/politics is the mainstream media. It has higher ratings then many of the top cable news shows in a given hour. The public relations industry is very aware of r/politics and engaged in it.

Even the moderators in r/politics are f'ed up. You cant post a text comment there, nor any pictures. If you do get something thru it has to be form a democratic's perspective, or it gets down votes.

r/politics is a general melting pot for politics not some over moderated, hating of anything non-liberal waist land.

Op is disgruntled by the ignorance of his peers. It's a disgusting reality

The last few weeks?

Also, this sub is just as bad. Maybe worse.

except for one or two people in this thread.

Heh.

Use the random function. (Up top). Do some topic searches for things you're interested in. Use RES.

One of the reasons I quit Facebook is similar. I would post interesting articles and thought-provoking stories all day, from political activism, cosmic wonders, "perspective" pictures, and everything in between. The responses (if any) were just terrible. Kids are so ignorant and proud of it these days that its like the greek fable of the men trapped in a cave, goes something like:

For their entire lives they lived in this cave and were forced to watch hand puppets believing that was life. One guy escapes the cave, sees the earth. Trees, mountains, rivers, sky. Goes back inside to tell the other guys but they won't listen, deny, and sit in their cave.

Excellent analogy for modern mentality.

/r/angry

Here's the list

Ignorant People

Government Shills

Economic Illiteracy

Stupid People

Collectivist Assholes

Marxists, Collectivists, Socialists who think themselves Liberal

Marxists, Collectivists, Socialists, Religious Tyrants who think they're Libertarian,

Mindless Slaves

Mindless, Ignorant, or Slavish people who think they're truthers.

Hatred for the Truth

Hatred for Political Discourse

Hatred for Understanding

It, like the majority of reddit, is a giant liberal echo chamber. During the election cycle there were endless negative stories about Romney and NOTHING negative about Obama ever on the front page. Not that I support either party, but that's when the bias became so glaring it was unavoidable. And don't get me started on idiots upvoting Obama fist bumping someone, or some other bs photo op, nothing but a bunch of sheep.

There is not enough space here to list it all.

Short answer: Leftists.

I called Hillary Clinton a lesbian and got super downvoted.

Reddit is ran by 13 year old hipsters.

Only those who have undergone Dick-otomies post there.

The Same Could be said here.
OK, this comes as someone who reads /r/politics much more often than most who comment on this thread compared to /r/conspiracy which I do read occasionally. So, why read this sub-reddit? It is because at times, it has interesting takes on world events (such as the events in Syria, Libya etc) and about the power structure of a democracy where the rich and powerful lobby for their demands. /r/politics talks about that too, much more openly than /r/conspiracy at times where I barely see a mention of the Tea Party astroturf movement funding by the super rich Koch brothers.
The excessive fear for gun safety measures, even somethings as simple as background checks or magazine sizes, strikes me as odd. Don't get me wrong, /r/politics might be pro-Obama, but that's because most of reddit users are much more liberal than he is. What pro-Romney or Republican party story are you expecting?
This was the same sub-reddit where I remember reading about polls unskewed (how the polls were in Obama's tank despite the evidence after the election showing a 2 point Romney bias at the least)
To conclude, about half the stories here about real drone strikes in Yemen and Pakistan, surveillance and crackdowns, discussion about the Banking system and reforms are good and informative. However, the overindulgence in stuff like a New World Order, the Rothschild's, Bilderberg, Bohemian Grove etc miss the reality of the problems today. These groups are strong but in no way controlling everything. There are no Chinese, Indians or Russians in these groups. They are closest in Military muscle. In terms of economic strength in the future, China and eventually India will be leading (due to massive populations) alongside powers today.

Consider what I've written and tell me where I'm wrong.

EDIT 1: You proved my point, just another "Holier than Thou" thread. Where is your reasoning?

Stop with the repeated, everyone on /r/politics says its GWB's fault. He was a moron, who cut revenue, increased spending, put 2 wars off the balance sheet and left Medicare and social programs struggling. Wall Street went down during the end of the second term. No nation could have recovered with the above in 4 years, I've read the literature and history and financial crises of this scale in a large nation like the US is a long, long road.

Citizens United ruling was delivered by a conservative leaning Supreme court and has opened the floodgates to money controlling. of course the democrats will now use that to balance it with the money being flooded on the far-right.

Enough studies have shown how straw purchases at gun shows and trafficking across state lines have caused a majority of the shootings in Chicago and New York. These are "illegally" brought in to the city. So Yes, there needs to be better enforcement and eliminate the gun show loopholes. Don't be holding on to your gun so dearly. Most people on this planet get along fine, if not great, without guns. Guns have no purpose other than to kill, you can keep on arguing self defense against a crime, but show me one statistic in which someone needed an assault rifle or anything comparable with 20+ bullets in a magazine to defend oneself. It is pointless, a handgun or shotgun would serve you as well. The US has the most guns in the world. There are more guns than people here, that's troubling.
My /r/politics is showing? I don't know what that means, but I am asking you what stories would you rather be on /r/politics front page now which wasn't there before. NDAA, Surveillance, social injustice, economy have been covered. Agreed, there is an inherent liberal bias, due to demographics, but so what? What's the argument here?
Have you ever been to India or Russia? There are large areas where the government can barely control the happenings of basic affairs. As an Indian myself, I've seen how its practically impossible to manage the needs of 1.2 Billion people. China manages it with a strong authoritarian and totalitarian grip, but in the villages of China, (I've been to the rural areas of china) they always have troubles managing affairs.
Noting the above, a NWO (which I would personally love if it entailed free speech, freedom of and from religion, social justice and equality) is not possible, on a practical and economical scale. Unless you believe the so called NWO wants to kill 90% of Earth's population which will mean nearly all of India and China. Something like that cannot happen on Earth it's a no-brainer when you see the world in total and not just America and its troubles projected on a global scale.

What i want to say is that this sub-reddit deals with irrational nonsense along with sensible questioning. Whereas /r/politics deals with relatively liberal but nearly always evidence based arguments based on research and studies. You have pictures of Obama and Hitler together as if he is a Nazi. It's gross, repugnant and ignorant. The Nazis expanded gun procurement, not restrict them. False and dubious connections of events are made here, most of it when it comes to drones, guns, secret cabals and government. People are the government,you as a citizen can improve it.

Was he supposed to end the war in Iraq and Afghanistan overnight and not atleast get something done right to justifiably let the invaded nation recover? I don't think you're looking at a war realistically. He did finish OBL and has destroyed the influence of Bin Laden's Al-Qaeda, now its the AQIM and other such organizations in Northern Africa unfortunately. Drone strikes in Pakistan and Yemen have caused much fewer deaths (American and civilian) and arguably better results against terrorism than GWB did in Iraq and Afghanistan. There's no running from that.
He signed an order to close Guantanamo and transport the prisoners to Thompsons Prison in Illinois. Congress shut him down. Have a problem with this? Ask your congressional representative. Obama still wants to close Guantanamo bay, has he said otherwise? The Executive is not a king, this is a democracy and such hurdles happen. I understand your argument about whistleblowers, that is a mistake of this administration. However, Manning broke the law, he was serving the nation in the army. He shouldn't get a death sentence or something. Nor do I think he should get life imprisonment. But there is no denying he broke the law and didn't do the duty he swore to do. Sorry.
Give up the NWO talk, it's fantasy. People are improving and doing great in parts of India with real governance and good regulatory checks and balances. I can only hope Indian politicians that are corrupt change their ways in the tougher areas.
Anyone who disagrees with you doesn't have their /r/politics showing. I have held these ideas and beliefs about Government, Terrorism, Social, Domestic and Foreign before I even knew what reddit was. It's a very childish and amateur argument.

No, see what I like about the subreddit is that everyone here is bit open minded.I hope that none of us on /r/conspiracy are under any delusion that this administration or any other coming out of our current system is in any way working on behalf of this nation and it's people. If you believe that, sorry that you are under this delusion. The truth is Obama is not a great leader and Hitler was not great either, if someone wants to put up poster of them together, we don't give a shit. You may have your opinion about the NWO, many do, so it is great that you can add your thoughts here. /r/conspiracy is about being able to discuss subjects like 911 that people find taboo on the main reddits. For example, what is the real reason Pakistanis are refusing vaccines, and the truth about what Drones technology was doing long before mainstream got the okay to speak about it. There is a lot of information here which is hidden from the mainstream venues of information. Of course, there is seemingly crazy shit out here too, but hey, who knows one day they may come true too.

Well 9/11 was done by the al Qaeda. Whether it was complicity of the Bush administration or simply in effectiveness is debatable. I lean towards it having been a terrible blunder not to look into the hijacking plane and bin laden determined to attack memos by the administration.
Vaccine deniers are the insane ones. Do you know when a rumor that the MMR vaccine causes autism spread in the UK, a few gullible didn't let their kids take these shots. It resulted in the first first cases of these diseases reappearing on a large scale in years ( diseases being mumps, measles and rubella ) The British Medical Journal debunked it : http://www.bmj.com/content/342/bmj.c5347
Fact is, it's good to be open minded, don't let your brains fall through the sides when it comes to vaccine deniers. Where is small pox? For all the lies about Bill Gates and vaccines, do you know it's through his work and private charities that polio is eradicated in India, where it was prevalent. It's truly sad that one of the only places it exists is Pakistan. Do you know why? Religious extremism and intolerance to western science.
I might be an atheist but I've read every major religious book written and can tell you that no where in Quran is there an opposition to science, it's in extreme thought. There's no conspiracy here, only ignorance.

I am not gonna debate 911 with you, so nevermind that. The polio vaccination has a long painful documented history of being tainted by controversy and deception. The vaccine that was being used in Pakistan was a new version that was not being used before, it also was plagued by controversy by the WHO using some unconventional waysto delivery of the vaccination, such as bypassing local government and hiring street thugs to give these unauthorized vaccination. Imagine, some nonmedical, nongovernmental person came to vaccinate your kids? It also did not help that the CIA was running fake vaccination ring to infiltrate And find Osama

The one thing you are right is the last sentence, the CIA did that to get blood proof that the Bin Laden's were there. Are you saying they should not have done that. The US and CIA are different from the UN and WHO. US holds massive power over the UN and bypasses them at times but these programs are not some plot to exterminate people. Show me evidence for one thing about these street thugs and more unconventional methods? I have never seen anything about that.
Read the book "500 days secrets and lies in the terror wars" by Kurt Eichenwald for what happened the days before and the year and a half after 9/11 and the way they drafted policies in the wake of the incident.

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Islam is as violent as Christianity. Read the Old and New Testaments. Hinduism has had extreme interpretations plague it. Islam has the same problem.
You cannot even name one bit of "ignorance". Please try and elaborate, what is it that you think is ignorant above?
People come to this thread claiming open discussion. I haven't had a decent conversation regarding anything dealing with evidence.
There are real conspiracies, like the Gulf of Tonkin, WMD's, Mortgage crisis and the financial bubble but science is no conspiracy. Through hard work and actual care for people, it has through assistance, been able to cure many diseases that were deadly a century ago.

EDIT: Deleting your comment wont change what you said. Again, waiting for reasoned debate.

I see, but there is a point where documenting every racist and illogical fart that GOP makes on /r/politics becomes Fucking annoying, followed by highly undeserved lip service to Obama who might as well be a savvy black W. Bush to me.

It's being documented because that's what people seemingly care about, hence upvoted. You can ignore those stories and move on, it's not really crowding the page. It happened during the election and the statements were highly foolish. Now, if those statements are made today and the person making them is in power to alter laws for such people, should he/she not be called out?
Obama as a savvy W. Bush? Did he try and privatize Social Security? Bush had no Healthcare bill. Obama has started now wars and is about to end Afghanistan, the US's longest war. Yes, the Orwellian drone wars of the future may say it was Obama's administration who heightened its use after Bush's reduced use. if proper laws and checks and balances are established, this could be a long-term and over time perfected and relative safe tool against non-state actors. It's not perfect at all. Bush and Obama are similar surprisingly on Immigration reform. Obama has actively pushed for social equality for people, regardless of sexual orientation and signed DADT. Obama has actually talked about Surveillance and wiretapping and says the laws need to be strengthened additionally including his authority in the drone program for the future. He might not be the polar opposite of bush, but he's not a differently colored Bush. He came in as President in an extremely tough time, domestically and internationally, let his term end. Then we can discuss precisely how much he was like Bush, or not.

My friend, many presidents in the past have been inheritors of war. Think Nixion, but he accomplished so many social, environmental and administrative programs in his meager and tainted term and few months. And yet all America remembers him for was Watergate, people like you and others on the main reddits have not figured out the game to rob America was happening long before Nixion. It is not about democrats or republicans, it is about something else. If you read the history of what was going down inside Nixon's administration you will realize no matter how intelligent, or decorated a presidential candidate really is the system will render him useless.Nixon was so fed up he turned the administration into his own little dictatorship. He became a tyrant. But hey, he did many good things and some bad too. Obama is a perfect front man,but he is more of a Reagan as a president. Look, if they have not killed or got a president to resign, then He is bad for america and good for the establishment. I am sure they are jerking off to Obama every night.

Haha Bad example really. I like Nixon personally, he was a pragmatic guy. Nixon didn't inherit the biggest economic crisis in 80 years, not just for America but the world. Who's the they who are planning these presidential executions ? I understand the questions about JFK's assassination. But lets look at it through what is real and not what people want to fit it into. Did the same group execute Lincoln and Kennedy? I doubt that. Don't live in a fact-free world. Anyway, people on this thread say /r/politics is a circle jerk and /r/conspiracy entertains debate. Yet, no evidence against the points of the irrationality here. Downvotes don't change reality.

Hey guys it's been like 3 days since we've had a thread complaining about r/politics. Can we get that circlejerk going again.

I mean really people, we left that place ages ago in order to come here. Let's not keep obsessing over their bullshit like some overly attached subreddit.

They're not swarms of zealots, they're shills with sock accounts (many of them).

Same playbook as Democratic Underground. Obama is a Reaganite who ran as a liberal. America noticed. Voices got silenced.

Main reason I got an account. That and r/atheism.

My friend, many presidents in the past have been inheritors of war. Think Nixion, but he accomplished so many social, environmental and administrative programs in his meager and tainted term and few months. And yet all America remembers him for was Watergate, people like you and others on the main reddits have not figured out the game to rob America was happening long before Nixion. It is not about democrats or republicans, it is about something else. If you read the history of what was going down inside Nixon's administration you will realize no matter how intelligent, or decorated a presidential candidate really is the system will render him useless.Nixon was so fed up he turned the administration into his own little dictatorship. He became a tyrant. But hey, he did many good things and some bad too. Obama is a perfect front man,but he is more of a Reagan as a president. Look, if they have not killed or got a president to resign, then He is bad for america and good for the establishment. I am sure they are jerking off to Obama every night.

Well, that's almost quitting. Best to stay and fight.