OP is only trying to get across how odd it is that the numbers are prevalent to the secret society/societies...no need to bash him for showing interest in something that others on this thread do. What matters not is if we believe in the numbers meaning anything. What matters so is that those societies repeat the numbers. We are looking for the reasons why.

If you are interested here is a video called 'Secrets in Plain Sight 1-23(Full video)' which goes through the history of symbols and numbers used by certain societies and discusses sacred geometry. It is about 3 hours and 45 minutes long...so watch it in segments.

No problem! Happy hunting! It has a LOT of info so I advice pausing and writing down key points and researching them later. Lots of name and event dropping in it.

Awesome! And thank you for sharing the link!

I'm just trying to help people and everyone is entitled to their opinion. This sub needs to be the front runner of respect to that. Love and light!

you cannot and never will demonstrate that numbers are anything more than what you see at face value. for you to insinuate that there could be anything more robs you of all credibility. having said that, if a society secretly embeds numbers into your everyday life, so what? its not having an effect on you or anyone else. its superstition; pseudoscience. numbers are not magic. numbers do not allow people to predict the future anymore than my spaghettios allow me to predict the future.

he never said they were magic - why do you have your panties in a bunch?

he did say you could predict the future. thats magic.

the person you responded to never said such garbage, nor did the video he linked.

did you even read his other comments?

this and this.

did you even read his other comments?

I didn't because frankly I didn't give a shit and I was posting in response to your crappy attitude

my point still stands

well, then your point is stupid because he is clearly arguing for predicting the future.

that video certainly doesn't

thats cool because i didnt say a single word about the video.

numerology isn't about predicting the future

DUDE. i never said it was. fuck off, seriously. you dont even know what the fuck youre arguing about.

I do, you are just some internet douchebag intent on berating some poor sap

What if the occult was real and you were wrong?

if the occult is real and they can predict the future, then past/present/future events are predetermined and your life is rendered meaningless as you are not and never were in control. this applies to anyone, even those practicing in the occult. which would probably make this reality the offspring of some sadistic all-seeing-eye. it would mean that we are the wind up toys of a brutish and childish celestial dictator.

This isn't too off topic. But to answer this hypothetical situation we're all talking about... One should take a look at the game Mage The Ascension. I say this because it offers a "logical" rebuttal to that statement,

"if the occult is real and they can predict the future, then past/present/future events are predetermined and your life is rendered meaningless as you are not and never were in control."

It does this by suggesting that all forms of will, no matter how insignificant have influence over the world they live in. For "mages" their practice of will working is based around a paradigm of magick. For purposes of this conversation if magick were real than our individual will manipulates our own life. It is when people lack willpower that they succumb to being puppets of someone's preordained illuminate future.

I hope this doesn't sound like too crazy of a rant. I'm just trying to offer you a light of plausibility...even for the sake of entertainment.

EDIT: Mage the Ascension (not Awakening)

Anyone can predict the future it's the work to make it so that is magic

Don't forget to take a look at Genesis 3:22 - the connection with being illuminated is quite clear. I believe that is why 322 figures prominently in the Skull & Bones. Someone pointed this out in a thread a few weeks back and I believe it's spot-on.

And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."

I honestly always thought it was dramatic redundancy how biblical texts say, "The Lord God" or what have you...

No, every variation of the phrasing is there for a reason - and the reason usually has to do with distinguishing between one aspect of the name of God from another. If you were to look up a particular appearance of the name of God (whether it was Jehovah, LORD God, Lord, God, Almighty, etc) you would see that there are meaningful reasons for the different English titles.

You can look these up (even without actually knowing Hebrew) in a reference work such as Strong's Concordance, or simply read some commentaries on the subject. There are many resources to learn about this, and its a subject that has been written about extensively.

That's because the original texts used a name instead of just "God". The name was later censored out because someone decided it was blasphemy to utter the name of God. This is why you get weird phrases like "The Lord God" where it should be "The Lord <Name>" which makes much more sense logically.

also in addition to dates... Friday the 13th this year happens on September 13, 2013

9/13/13

September 13th = 9+1+3=13

13/2013

13/13

ITS HAPPENING!

The "important" part of the verse in this context is "the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil". It relates to the promise of the serpent in Genesis 3:5 that Eve and Adam "shall be as gods, knowing good and evil".

To this day, the promise of various religions, the new age movement, and many forms of spirituality (non-Christian, of course) is to become a god, to discover the god within you, or even to gain eternal life via technology (as in various "transhumanist" ideas).

Let's go back to the very name Illuminati. It refers to being illuminated or enlightened. The belief is that Lucifer, of course, gives the light - no the creator of the universe. They believe that the light is appropriated from God, by the "god of this world", and given to mankind in an act of rebellious benevolence toward man.

What about in Europe where it is dd/mm/yyyy?

Dude, 3/22 is 1/6th of 9/11! Do you know what this means?!?!?!

FUCK ALL!

Has anyone ever been around for any of these predictions to come correct? I feel like 'they' pay pretty close attention to what 'we' are aware of, and aren't going to commit an act when they know we know, which could lend us more credibility and get people to start listening to us. I feel like the more attention it gets, the less the chance it will actually happen.

Hurricane Sandy:

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1107zp/hear_say_about_the_east_coast/

Well of course that is exactly why the dates just keep changing ;) it's always going to be something. Y2k, 01/01/01, 12/21, 3/22, etc. I'm certain there will be a new date in the chatter within one week of 3/22 if nothing happens. OP is predicting anything to happen though...from what understand is just stating that it's rather odd to see all these 33s and 322s, and such. And the way in which they correlate.

The Verichip thing is a hoax used by opponents of Obamacare. I'm pretty damn sure I would know by now if I was required to get a microchip implant in 18 days.

That makes no sense, though. You're claiming that all Americans will be required to be implanted with an RFID chip by (or even starting that day). First off, the act creating the TSA passed two months later, so people were actually very supportive of its creation at the time. Secondly, the TSA patrols airports, which are far easier to do that what you claim Obamacare will do.

Hell, we can't even get same people to take life-saving vaccines, let alone do something like microchip tagging.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

Same stuff as the 11:11 phenomenon. And I'm not discussing whether we'd have a choice, I'm stating its unreasonable to believe the government could assemble a nationwide program, create 300+ million microchips and a humongous database to hold all the data, hide all of this to a T so only less-than-reputable websites would share it...

My point is that this is not a good conspiracy theory.

To think that the numbers these societies use is not a good conspiracy theory is just plain retarded.

you literately have no evidence to support your claim. you have had multiple opportunities to present it to us and you have chosen not to. so you either have no evidence at all, or your evidence is entirely subjective to you.

We have evidence supporting the use of certain numbers and world events.

present it.

as someone who researches every avenue and keeps an open mind to all possibilities, and has noticed a correlation between the numbers and events I say this sir makes a wonderful conspiracy!

there is no correlation between numbers and events except what you make it. ive said it before, and ill say it again: what you claim is no different from that of religious claims.

no. you do not have any evidence to make this a theory. a theory is something which is observable, testable, and replicable by everyone. i will refer to no such link. listen to yourself. you sound like a christian telling an atheist to read the bible harder.

im not looking for proof of these theories because, even if it were true, it would still have no real world effect on reality. im merely waiting for you people to back up your claims with legitimate sources. and im waitng for you people to stop using the word "they" and start naming names.

i find it shocking that any of you would have the audacity to claim you know something about people you cant even be sure exist. its comical, tbh. if you can explain to me the difference between these claims and religious claims, ill drop it and leave this sub forever.

well, you couldnt even if you tried because your numbers mean absolutely nothing.

Any theory that relies on coincidental numbers is not a good theory.

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Um... you do realize a national program for ~310 million people is something that takes a shit ton of planning, right? It's not like Obama is Santa Claus and can go house to house inoculating people with his magic RFID chips.

I love this. Thanks for getting it together. Even if its only coincidence, it's fascinating. I think these bastards do have a thing for numerology and leaving cryptic "signatures" on historic events.

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Also "Silver Circle - When they control the money they control everything."

So what's next?

Microchips, antichrist'n'shit. Ww3 etc.

3/11/13 N.Korea swore to end its cease fire. http://apnews.myway.com/article/20130305/DA4QTUEG2.html

I agree with OP that it is in fact quite interesting, even though it may mean nothing at all.

There were two threads about this date and the possibility of a false flag and/or market crash that both have been deleted (I found them twice, and now using the same criteria no longer see them). Here's one of the links I had saved.. The thread had more details, and there was another thread where a guy was describing a convo with his buddy who works in stocks about a similar predicted collapse. Interesting that they have been deleted (or at least I kind find them).

How much money could be made from that $11mil bet? Do these bets happen often? Or near this scale? I feel like this could be a molehill disguised as mountain, but I don't know enough about the market to have any clear idea.

Olympus Has Fallen

aka The Committee of 300

You are not the only person that has come up with this date. Dewey Bruton has been predicting this date (march 22 2013) since 2005 in his "daniels timeline" presentation as the beginning of the tribulation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh5pNy2TW9Q

interesting enough, i ll keep eyes, ears and mind open that day

how about all the numbers that don't line up?

This week I have taken 13 shits.

Illuminati!

It's only Tuesday. You may need some desitin by the end of the day if you continue to shit at that rate. Eat some cheese dude.

Maybe I should stop eating 13 oranges a day along with 13 ounces of prune juice. I've been doing this for 13 days.

I was wondering who ate all my oranges.

Whore stole my lemons!

Notice the upvotes vs downvotes... illuminati

Yes! Our methods work!

you are cool.

Check out - Fifth Age The End of Humanity - Movie Symbolism 2013

Youtube watch?v=1f3chRoPMBc

Where in the bible is it found that Obama receives the Nobel prize? Well, prophecy wise.

If you tried hard enough, I could give you any date, and you could come up with a list of 20 weird coincidences that will happen with the date.

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These guys just wanna believe, that's cool.

I don't think anyone is trying to believe in anything, at least that's not what I understand from the OP. Is in not just someone pointing out the frequency of the use of certain numbers? It's a fact that those numbers appear over and over, it's not whether anyone wants to believe in it. Some people may happen to take an interest in numerology and such. I may have a thing for the number 13. Doesn't mean I believe in all things "13"

X=X² when X=1 or 0, therefore a god exists.

thats how fucking meaningless numbers are when you stop doing math for the sole purpose of doing math.

The Number 23

edit: lol go ahead. downvote me, i dont care. im not saying secret societies dont exist, but this numbers bullshit permeating reality is as insane as religion.

"OMG, i randomly glance at the clock when it reads 12:34 every single day. how peculiar? i think maybe there is an evil confection of grumpy old men acclimating us to the stainless steel teet of oppression!"

It doesn't matter what we believe in the end about the numbers, what matters is that they use the numbers for themselves. Why? Who the fuck knows. OP is just trying to get across a point of how odd it is that they repeat numbers.

It doesn't matter what we believe in the end about the numbers, what matters is that they use the numbers for themselves.

this doesnt make any sense. if it doesnt matter what you believe about numbers, then the other half of that sentence is rendered null because you literately have no tangible evidence to support your claim. its a faith-based claim, and nothing more. dont act as if its a fact simply because youre in this sub. it does not differ from religious claims in any way. its fucking insane that you people think particular numbers have some sort of mystical properties as if mathematics is some sort of witchcraft or voodoo. if you have ANY evidence at all, then fucking present it. what op posted is not evidence of anything except his paranoid delusions that catastrophic events can be expected to occur on any date consisting primarily of 1's 2's and 3's. this stands to be literately the most retarded thing ive ever debated in this sub.

If you had been paying attention to this sub for a while now, a member had posted quite the lengthy and interesting read about numbers that had to do with 9/11 from the number of the planes to the number of men on the plane with box cutters. It went into detail the amount of usage of the same numbers over and over. It has been archived and I will do my best to try and find it for you. It does make sense..because they are the ones that repeat the numbers.

Watch this, which is about 15 minutes long and shows the repetition of the numbers 9/11 in almost all forms of entertainment in a mainstream sense. Not saying that this is proof, but rather an eyebrow raiser in the terms of numerology. The point the OP is trying to make is that the numbers are repeated...and yes there is proof, but you choose to not look closely enough. People have a hard time questioning things now a days and they figure IF ITS NOT OUT IN THE OPEN THEN ITS UTTER BULLSHIT.

im not about to watch any of your videos. ive seen all the videos i need to see on numbers, ok? ive even watched a 3^1/2 hour documentary in one sitting on occult symbolism and numerology regarding 9/11. probably the same video that member plagiarized his lengthy and interesting read from. it means absolutely nothing. you cant tell me what it means because it doesnt mean shit.

It went into detail the amount of usage of the same numbers over and over.

no fucking way! no fucking way dude! you can use numbers over and over? i had no idea! my mind is fucking blown right now.

lets just say for the sake of the argument that a secret society exists to embed numbers and symbolism into everyday life... it still doesnt mean shit. a number is not a tangible object you can push pins into, its an idea. and a harmless one, at that. shit, im surprised you people arent up in arms over 666 appearing on gas station and fast food receipts. FUCKING SATAN LIVES, YO.

The whole point we are trying to get across is that these numbers have predicted future events. Always have. Right in front of us. I am done with this discussion and there is nothing further I can add. best of luck in your journey of life ap7x942

The whole point we are trying to get across is that these numbers have predicted future events.

total bullshit. in what manner do numbers predict the future? im dying to know, but none of you can tell me. all you can do is call upon tragedies or suspisious activity that occurs on dates consisting of these particular numbers. there is nothing spiritual or mystical about mathematics. that idea holds no foundation in reality what-so-ever. it is wishful thinking, at best.

just^likereligion

Then ask the people that believe in their power. Love and light.

that would be redundant. i talk to christians all day who are absolutely convinced it is moral to believe their responsibilities for their wrongdoings can be absolved by the suffering of another man and i still think theyre crazy. just as i think you are crazy. theres literately no difference between numerology and religious superstition/paranoia.

Well, I guess you have failed to see my point so, you're input is basically pointless. I never said I believed numerology could do anything, EXCEPT for show us a date for an event that we didn't know what would happen on said date. I have not said that anything will happen on 3/22 either. People that dismiss others for being crazy have issues themselves on some kind of level so I can only hope for your hostile composure that it becomes a bit more decent. Good day sir.

lmao im not denying i have issues. your point isnt important to me. my input serves only to ridicule this ridiculous idea. numbers do not predict the future. period. it is purely superstition. anyone who thinks they have a 3rd eye on the future or predetermined events will forever be regarded as a fucking loon in my book.

People have predicted future events...and so have people's dreams...proven science...and history. But, rock out with your cock out sire.

People have predicted future events...and so have people's dreams...proven science...and history.

people have never predicted the future. ever. what an absurd thing to say.

Sigh. You're hopeless.

youd buy snake oil in a heartbeat.

I predict that i will fall asleep and wake up within the next 24 hrs

for all you know, youll fall asleep and never wake up.

nope, my prediction was right.

thats a shame.

and in any case, you did not predict the future. you assumed probability.

well what do you think predicting the future is. its the same thing as assuming probability.

not in the least bit. assuming probability means there is a chance you are wrong. its an educated guess. predicting the future means you know exactly how something is going to happen.

um, no. if anyone makes a prediction into the future, there is always a 0-99.999% chance of certainty of that prediction occurring. maybe you think predictions are made by others with 100% certainty, but they rarely are, they are all assessments based on probability of occurance. you make a prediction based on how certain you are, and because you can never be 100% certain does not mean you can never predict the future correctly, it only means you never can with 100% certainty.

So no, predicting the future does not mean you know exactly how something is going to happen. it means you have assessed your known possibilities, and chosen one with a certain percentage of probability. This is how i know i will go to sleep tonight and wake up tomorrow. the odds favor it, and i have enough understanding of my own behavior to know the odds are slim to none i wont get to the point of going to sleep and waking up.

in short, stop taking everything so seriously.

maybe you think predictions are made by others with 100% certainty

thats actually the exact opposite of what ive been saying this whole time. there is a significant difference between having a 3rd eye on future events and making an educated guess as to what might happen.

but they rarely are

they never are.

they are all assessments based on probability of occurance

sure, but its not seeing into the future. its making an assessment.

if you are not 100% sure of the future, then you are not seeing into the future. you would simply be making an educated guess.

the odds favor it

sure, but there is still a chance. which makes your statement an educated guess and not foreknowledge of the future.

there is a significant difference between having a 3rd eye on future events and making an educated guess as to what might happen

thanks captain obvious, but both are predictions if my educated guess is correct. get over it. one can test an educated guess to be right or wrong and if its right, it falls under the definition of a prediction. voila.

you keep making the leap that i seem to think predicting is "seeing into the future" or something like that. you might want to understand what a prediction is first, because thats not it. "foreknowledge of the future" would be premonition, or precognition, not prediction.

you might want to understand what a prediction is first, because thats not it. "foreknowledge of the future" would be premonition, or precognition, not prediction.

you might want to understand that before you interjected with your irrelevant remarks, the topic at hand regarded premonition, as you put it. -captain obvious

First of all the illuminate and the masons have always had spiral and ritualistic and religious views that have deeply and directly lead to what they do. Shit the people that have spoken out about them admit to worshipping satan. So no you can't just drop the religious stuff. Even if you don't believe doesn't mean its not true. And guess what dude... You seem like an ass. Be nicer.

first of all you literately have zero tangible objective evidence for the existence of an illuminati. so for you to make ANY assertions as fact regarding this topic is entirely unfounded. for all you know, the people you refer to as illuminati are merely individuals that share common goals but arent necessarily affiliated with each other or any religion. what we see may very well be simply the product of greed, and nothing more. i mean, do the illuminati even realize theyre the illuminati? all this shit about illuminati rituals and religious beliefs is nonsense and really has no correlation with reality at all. i challenge you to spot the different between the illuminati religion and any other religion. i garauntee there is not and never will be a religious ritual that can exert any kind of real world mystical effect. it is nonsense; purely superstition.

Even if you don't believe doesn't mean its not true.

russels teapot. flying spaghetti monster. case closed.

if something cannot be demonstrated to be true, then it is a leap of faith and a logical fallacy for you to assume it is true.

You seem like an ass. Be nicer.

you seem like an idiot. be smarter.

views that have deeply and directly lead to what they do.

this is complete nonsense. you dont even know if these people actually exist, let alone what their religious views are. this exchange of ours is borderlining comical. you cant name names. you cant name a religion. you are talking out of your ass.

Shit the people that have spoken out about them admit to worshipping satan. So no you can't just drop the religious stuff.

yes i fucking can! so what if these people claim to have worshipped satan? it doesnt change a thing. they could be worshipping juju the mountain king, it simply doesnt matter what a person believes. there is no such thing as magic.

there is no such thing as magic.

am i in /r/debatereligion? what the fuck is wrong with you people?

SATAN WORSHIPERS, OH MY! hide your kids, hide your wife!

so what if a person worships an evil figure. its no skin off my back. go ahead. anyone who worships satan, place a curse on my ass. make a god damned voodoo doll of me, i dont care. do whatever you can to prove me wrong, i fucking challenge you. i DARE anyone. this is so incredibly insane.

what impact does worshiping satan have on reality that any other religion does not? can any of you tell me?

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/14utv0/911_was_an_occult_megaritual_the_numbers_of_the_4/

Found it.

seen it.

No problem! Happy hunting! It has a LOT of info so I advice pausing and writing down key points and researching them later. Lots of name and event dropping in it.

How much money could be made from that $11mil bet? Do these bets happen often? Or near this scale? I feel like this could be a molehill disguised as mountain, but I don't know enough about the market to have any clear idea.

there is a significant difference between having a 3rd eye on future events and making an educated guess as to what might happen

thanks captain obvious, but both are predictions if my educated guess is correct. get over it. one can test an educated guess to be right or wrong and if its right, it falls under the definition of a prediction. voila.

you keep making the leap that i seem to think predicting is "seeing into the future" or something like that. you might want to understand what a prediction is first, because thats not it. "foreknowledge of the future" would be premonition, or precognition, not prediction.