It is a good question and one that is being discussed both openly and covertly.

I fully support the idea of arresting these d-bags, but let me point out something that I immediately considered after reading these posts: these banking executives very likely have armed bodyguards. In any scenario where you could get close to the banker, you would very likely be facing a hail of gunfire in "self-defense." I imagine this has a lot to do with why execs haven't at the very least been citizen arrested at this point. You would have to plan very carefully to get close and disarm these individuals.

Easy way to protect yourself from that would be to have someone video tape the citizen's arrest, and have everyone shouting the fact that they're making a citizen's arrest. That way he can't justify gunfire in self defense.

To protect from him just destroying the camera, have it live stream to a recording PC (and make sure the banker knows this is happening before he does anything rash). If something bad goes down, your friend safe at home can show the video to authorities.

don't forget, it's totally legal to call up any/all of the militia. Then the government would be in the position of taking up arms in favor of felons (rather than begrudgingly supporting them in the open). Also, as counterintuitive as I'm sure it may seem to some here, I believe the militia would be in a better position to handle things non-violently. Far better than a mob.

Tom Clancy's Rainbow 6: Patriots, look up the vids on youtube. Really similar .

Well my hope is that a militia is comprised of more thoughtful people than terrorists. Plus executions would be waaaaay over the line. This would be delivering into the hands of the judicial system.

Plus, win or lose, it would force positions to be taken- either for the people or against them. We can't keep the national discussion stagnant.

No need to call. We're already on the thread.

good point but lets try the way without the militia first as we do not want to start a civil war, which is not out of the realms of possibilities

What's the other option? An angry, untrained mob? They'll just go after whomever is the current head. Use the tools at our disposal. Nothing will happen otherwise- our leaders have already stated so.

Also, there's a fine line between picking our battles and running away from the important ones.

the other option was just go with video camera to film arrest. I do support the militia movement and think they could be very useful but i think it would be better to try the citizen arrest without them first as any firing could be blamed on them and used for a reason to label all of us domestic terrorists

well there's nothing saying that using a militia needs to be violent. And having some protection there for the arrestor is probably warranted since he's probably going to get hassled by the cops and arrested himself, or beaten senseless by the guards.

Nonetheless, whomever decides to do it, and his accomplices needs to be well-groomed and take thought to their appearance. Recording it and getting it out there, the whole stunt could go south quickly if people thought you were just some punk or hobo. There needs to be statements pre-written and wording figured out beforehand.

I agree

There are enough veterans floating around that you should be able to put together an angry trained mob. Although those don't have a good track record.

It should be easy to bring 500 or more people with you for what they have done. Body guards are not going to stand by your side against a calm and patient 500 man strong group demanding your arrest. Catch them in a public place, surround the exits to their homes, make it a camp out siege if you have to. Don't break any laws trying to break in to private property to seize them, just wait them out. The longer it goes on, the bigger the publicity will be.

I totally agree but if fifty people were standing between him and escape I doubt the bodyguards would shoot. But good luck finding fifty people with balls big enough to not scared when they pull guns or cops show up.

I volunteer as long as we can get this coordinated.

I am an aggressively peaceful person, I refuse to resort to aggressive violence. But I'm also a fourth dan black belt and can defend myself if need be.

Same here. I would travel across the country to take part in this.

Me too.

I'm there.

I am in.

Why does it have to get violent? Be civil about it, you are only a civilian arresting another. You would have no right to attack him, unless provoked or they resist. Anyway, you get enough people and the body guards probably wouldn't try to stop you.

Be civil about it? Ain't nobody got time for that!

"Arresting" by any other name or intent is called "kidnapping".

Except that arresting is done legally while kidnapping is done illegally. If you keep everything within the confines of the law, any opposition you face is resisting arrest, and aiding and abetting a fugitive.

Odd then that all of a sudden they're trying to outlaw and confiscate privately owned firearms.

it's not all of a sudden, they've been trying for decades.

The internet rules for grabbing personal info. Make a roster. Post it online, and hope some key people end up going missing.

I think one of the biggest problems is that the greed demon scumbags have built their fraud on the backs of good people. This certainly was no mistake and indeed part of the grand scheme.

but fortunately the act of talking about it at least then forces them to spend extra cash on bodyguards.

so maybe we should be talking about aerial attack so they have to buy other expensive gear to protect themselves.

the more diverse threats we can imagine credibly, the more they'll have to spend on defense.

...so they have to buy other expensive gear to protect themselves.

With our money.

They already have our money.

Very true. It's also true, though, that we put a lot more importance on that money than it is truly worth. Money works now because it gives people power. There will come time in the future, even if not in our life time, when money is unnecessary.

I can agree with your distinction, that money was taken from us and is being used against us, but it is not our goal to get our money back but to change the system that made money(power/control) important over all else.

Agreed.

I think you're forgetting half of all people fall below average intelligence, and they're the ones pumping out kids before they're ready. All you need to perpetuate the idea that money=power is a class of undereducated, underfunded people who see people with money and want it.

No its okay. The food will run out soon, then there will be a horrifying nightmare period where billions perish, then there will be tentative peace as the population gets low enough to support. Then maybe we will have learned something.

well i don't know what to tell you then dude. deer rifles are cheap. now off you go.

You've been downvoted, but I for one support the thought of racking up bankster headshots.

i'm a pacifist but yeah 'when non-violent resistance is made impossible, violence revolution becomes inevitable'.

i'm actually really surprised that a DC sniper-like incident hasn't happened yet! or bahrain-style mass molotov attacks.

Aerial attack? Do you plan on parachuting into their mansion from an airplane or something?

Dotcom raid style.

Fuck yeah, shock and awe.

well i'm a pacifist, but hypothetically

• DIY qassam rockets

• molotovs in a slingshot

• cheap quadcopters with payload

• kamikaze cessna a la austin IRS bldg

just off the top of my head. then there are the tunnels... ;)

Solution: Someone figure out to how to hijack a drone, then rain hellfire missiles on them.

Shit, just make your own. It's not a mystery to do so, plans all over the internet.

some people already know how to hack drones. not me, but some people...

i always thought it'd be cool if local OWS encampments utilized Skygrabber to at least intercept footage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SkyGrabber

apparently encryption was stopped because of performance issues, so even without putting the footage to good use, just having it would require the fascists to encrypt their feeds and thereby lose drone performance.

It's wonderful that in America you can buy one of these.

The sad thing is that you don't even need something that powerful. As much as I love the Barrett .50s, an average hunting rifle in .308 and up can get the job done at a little over half a mile. I'm a .30-06 guy myself.

Hunker down, 'cause here comes the drone strike.

Rip stevo182

Armed body guards? LOL The banking system is a national security issue. they will stick a drone up your terrorist asses. This is a stupid fucking idea being promoted by either provocateurs, trolls, are really really fucking stupid people.

It is stupid that we live in a society that decrees criminals are to be protected and those trying to hold them accountable to their actions in accordance with law are labelled terrorists for doing their civic duties.

civic duty? you mean a violent lynch mob of people who read crazy websites and live in parks....

As many users have stated already there is no need for violence. Your employers understand that, that is why you are tasked with trolling this subreddit, to try and discourage justice.

you are mentally ill.

It is an employment requirement to undergo routine psychological evaluation where I work, so I can assure you that I am of sound mind. Stacks of papers signed off by multiple psychologists and psychiatrists over the years speak volumes against you.

they must not realize how paranoid you are....

They're professionals, they're aware of the difference between 'paranoia' and realistic concern.

If you think people aren't paid to troll, you're delusional or trying to draw attention away from your source of income.

yeah you got me, I get paid to fuck with you because your beliefs are so important. You obviously caught us because there is nobody that could possibly actually have a difference of your batshit opinion.....

lol

Once again, holding those responsible for various forms of fraud accountable to their actions is not bat shit. Anyone who believes otherwise is a fool.

Then I suggest you try to be judge & jury and see what happens to you....

Be sure to come back and tell us how it went.... if you can....

The problem is getting them in front of a judge and jury. Due process is a right for all Americans, regardless of the crimes they may have commit.

so you people have no clue how the justice system works, gotcha....

We know the police aren't willing to look at facts and bring those we know are responsible before a judge, so someone else must do it.

Could you possibly provide more information? This is something I would like to get involved in.

There are white hats in the military and private sector that have been watching this develop for many years. I could post names but it would only cause confusion as the naysayers would indeed arrive and start posting lies and slander.Also they are working in the line of danger and we need not distract. What you can do to get involved is shut out all mainstream sources of news and entertainment. Stop paying for all propaganda. These criminals know very well the power of our collective consciences and want to distract us from knowing how powerful we are against them. The damn television has brainwashed many but many more have already awakened to their game of cointelpro and mockingbird. Not to mention paperclip where as the scumbags.prescott bush brought the nazis home to us to set up the CIA.OSS and brought the nazi propaganda machine as well. So use our minds against them. It does work,pray meditate think positive Enough people have been harmed. We want no more confrontation. We are many they are few. The rest is up to you

To do this you need the following.

Evidence that can incriminate bankers in a court of law.

A better lawyer than the bankers can afford.

A judge that upholds the law and CANNOT be paid off.

In short, yes this can be done. Just probably won't happen.

"A better lawyer than the bankers can afford.'' FUCK

it's shit like this that the internet/reddit needs to be used for, before it's too late

Once a citizens arrest is made, wouldn't it be up to the local authorities/ attorneys to decide weather or not to prosecute the individuals?

In any case the authorities would have to be called (volition) right away, as citizens do not have the right to (wrongful) imprisonment.

This is exactly the problem. Disregarding the arrest portion, even a criminal indictment before the court can't move forward without the governments approval. It's the perfect methodology for a crime, control the government.

Oh it'll happen. Just watch.

Just watch.

Yep, That's why it wont happen.

It will never happen.... Ever. Unless you put your money where your mouth is, ha.

Evidence that can incriminate bankers in a court of law.

I think this is the biggest flaw of the argument made by this thread. These people can bend the law and know the loop holes of the law to get away. When they do get away, we would be their next targets too - so we need to keep that in mind.

We are risking a lot and I still think there is not a single evidence that we actually hold against them in court. Besides, we assume the judicial system actually works and will punish them... but we know this is far from reality. Rich and popular people have always got out of jail by doing very little punishment and in most cases, they get away with the crimes completely and write books about it. I think it is great that we are thinking in this manner and maybe we can pull it off if we get the media involved in it but we better have all the right things in the first try. I am saying this because it only takes one failed attempt for everyone to think we are just tin-foil hat wearing weirdos that shouldn't ever be taken seriously again, and we won't be able to do this all over again with another banker.

Yes theoretically you could form a competing state within the US borders too, but that is simply suicide at this point in time.

And further more you need to put effort, work and skill into this project. Three things most sloths on reddit lack.

What ever happened to a jury of their peers? They are Americans right? A jury has more power than a judge.

They threaten to crash the world economy. They have us over a barrel. Last time they got a trillion dollars for it.. this time they got a get out of jail forever card. They threaten the judges, lawyers etc.. with being poor... who do you think wins?

Evidence that can incriminate bankers in a court of law.

The evidence exists, it's not up to the arresting person to have it though:

When a felony has been in fact committed, and he or she has reasonable cause for believing the person arrested to have committed it.

So, from a technical standpoint it's completely doable. Even if it didn't result in a conviction I think the message of arrests is enough to make a point.

Off the back of it, you'll have people in the justice system who are willing to go out on a limb and make a name for themselves pursuing it through more conventional means.

I think the message of arrests is enough to make a point.

Problem is the point the bankers will take from this is that we still have too many rights, and they need to take more from us.

How about we just assassinate these fuckers?

Come up with money and I will be your hit man.

Never trust a hitman that uses the same screen name as my 12 year old goth cousin.

Throwaway

;random

They don't deserve such glory.

Humiliating jail with butt-plugging inmates is what they deserve.

Is the blame really all on them anyway? Don't forget the government our President has committed treason and lied at every chance he has gotten. As a country we torture our enemies and bomb them in their places of worship, while they build death camps to house us and they plan more wars on our behalf. The IRS buys shotguns and homeland security stockpiles enough bullets to kill every man woman and child in america 5 times over and they tell us it is for our protection. Our Congress has totally caved and even when we call in 500 to 1 on bills that no one agrees with they go against the will of the people. There hasn't been a fair vote in years and with things the way they are one is not likely to come. We train our police to be ruthless highly militarized forces armed with tanks and drones and god knows what else to unleash havoc on the citizens. No longer are they there to serve and protect but to carve out the kings taxes off the backs of the slaves.

Pulling corrupt bankers out of their offices to hand over to corrupt Police, and brought in front of corrupt Judges bought and paid for with bailout money in their pockets though I would love to witness seems like a failing proposition. I agree if we wan't to fight back then we need to take matters into our own hands as a citizenry and tear down the windmills that stand in our way. But be careful when fighting monsters lest you become one yourself.

I agree, it's bankers today, but someone else tomorrow. Government favoritism is the problem. We need a separation of business and state, like we have a separation of church and state.

I think eventually we will just have to wipe it all out and start over from scratch if I was them I would have a really hard time giving up trillions of dollars of free money

Wont happen with capitalism and materialism(?) the poor need to keep pumping money in so rich can take 80% and pay out the remaining to the 90% to fuel the next cycle. Dont worry, once America is bled dry we will rebuild.

Excellent idea, I have never thought about this, but if this were to happen, it would have to be done by the book (NO ANGRY HORDES WANTING BLOOD) and peacefully.

By what book? And the only way to do it would be with violent aggression...if there was a peaceful way to fix the problems with this country they would be fixed. There is simply and absolutely no peaceful way to dethrone a tyrant, much less a band of tyrant brothers with hundreds of years of brilliant defensive framework in place. If you wanna bring down a giant you need to be willing to get dirty.

"Those who make peaceful change impossible will make violent revolution inevitable" JFK

I see where you are coming from and see the framework you are referring to (they have recruited the most brilliant of the brilliant over decades to design and implement their safeguards), but they are grossly out numbered. There can be a peaceful resolution, but the problem lies with uniting the people, which is the biggest hurdle to clear because in order for that to happen, we must first agree on a common goal and then how to achieve said goal.

The problem with that is they own the police, the military, and private military companies. Nobody would be able to get close to the slime without being cut down.

There needs to be substantial physical proof. Records of transactions, and fraud are pretty easy to get ahold of if you know your way through a computer system. If someone gets hard copies of evidence distributed to the masses, I'd like to see them TRY to stop the bankers from being torn limb from limb.

Someone call the Anonymous hotline.

Heh, no ones personal army... but I wonder, are they humanities army?

Can we go get Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Rove first?

Don't forget about Rice, Albright and Cohen.

We need hard evidence on the bankers and we need hard evidence of treason on Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove and Bush Sr. We need to take our Country back.

Don't forget the majority of congress.

there is hard evidence. the problem is that they threaten to crash the world economy if brought to justice.

Meek fucks.

I agree. Let it crash and burn. If it's corrupt from head to foot why let it go on?

I think mainly because threats are so dire that people can't be arsed, and would rather go on living the illusion and hope for the best for their lot only. Selfish, not meek.

Why dont we do this. Tomorrow everyone meet a discreet location and we will arrest a banker

Who is going to prosecute them? I'm not aware of any sort of "Citizen's Indictment" or "Citizen's Prosecution" laws. You are at the mercy of the state and federal prosecutors who determine which cases to bring to trial.

Compile a list of people that need to be arrested. Who's going down first?

i nominate lloyd blankfein or jamie dimon.

don't forget john 'the slime' corzine

You see, it's comments like this that get you put on a list.

If everyone makes comments that put you on a list, then there's no need to fear being on any list.

You do realize that they're looking for a way to paint people like us in a bad light. They've been calling anyone who questions the current political system "crazy" and have even gone so far as to start calling "patriots" potential terrorists. Once they start hearing about people making "lists for arrest" they'll really start to kick up the heat. Think before you act, we don't need to start a revolution violently.

Scaredbear88?

Compiling a list of people is exactly the type of things that will get you painted as a "terrorist". You don't need a "list" to arrest people that you know are committing felony offenses. It's bad enough that "conspiracy theorists" and "patriots" are already being accused of terrorist activity.

Why not just elect a governor willing to do this in his respective state. The ripple effect would be pretty large if we held them to jail time and didn't just allow them to settle out.

Yes. Absolutely. It's called revolution...and I'm all about it. Let's go. Let's do it. Seriously. No /s.

...but then again, I do remember this damn video that I saw the other day that I regret to say I felt (feel) was (is) pretty much about spot on.

If we could get EVERYONE to get behind the idea in your OP title, then we could make a definite change.

Why do you think DHS is buying 2700 armored vehicles? Not to help you arrest bankers.

This is the most awesome idea that will never happen.

Kidnapping charges.

Not without one hell of a legal battle if the arrest is carried out properly.

Yeah but they pay better lawyers than you can even meet.

Technically, it wouldn't be their lawyers prosecuting you for a kidnap charge, it'll be a lawyer that 'represents the people'.

Looks like it's time to start scribbing down the addresses of these shitlicks.

Pretty sure citizen's arrest is so you can hand the bad guy over to the police who will book and prosecute. The problem with this idea is that the police will not book and the DA will not prosecute. At least, they wouldn't prosecute the people you brought in. You however, you they will prosecute.

We have to fix the problem at the top of the government. The bankers and other corporate criminals only get away with their crimes because the politicians let them.

Sounds like a case for Chris Dorner.

We need to have well-organized, professional and formal 'Citizens Indictments' - perhaps that could be a step in the right direction. Follow procedure as though it's a Federal Court proceeding and indict the people that the feds don't. At the very least it would bring some of these bad guys into the light of day without getting anyone hurt or arrested. The decision of the Citizen's Grand Jury could be the basis for petition, legal action, media pressure and political pressure on the powers that be to pursue lawbreakers.

Self defense laws? Bodyguards?

They'd say we were attempting kidnap, trash us on the media, then kill us. But I'm down :)

In clause 39 of the Magna Carta, John of England promised as follows: "No free man shall be seized or imprisoned, or stripped of his rights or possessions, or outlawed or exiled, or deprived of his standing in any other way, nor will we proceed with force against him, or send others to do so, except by the lawful judgment of his equals or by the law of the land."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Due_process

The Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments to the United States Constitution each contain a Due Process Clause.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Due_Process_Clause

Just get someone with press credentials to schedule an interview and explain that there will be a camera for recording. Have the camera live stream. Do not tell them that there will also be 15-50 witnesses there to watch and document the arrest. Stay civil. Hell, you made an appointment, its pretty much the most respectable way to go about it.

I WILL BE ALL FOR THIS.

Seriously, we need to do this. We must rally together and do this.

If the government will not arrest them, they won't let the state press charges either. So you could citizen's arrest them, only to have them released as soon as you escorted them to the police station. The government has been bought in almost every country, well, ones with a central banking system anyway. I wouldn't be surprised if it was the idea behind the euro, easier to control if they all have the same currency.

while ethically wrong the law was on their side, the gov't mandated they put those loans out there, glass steagall gave way to dodd frank with the clinton administration at the twilight of his presidency. he asked greenspan if it was the right thing to do and of course he told bill that they were big boys on wallstreet and that they knew what they were doing so liars loans took off like wildfire

Yes, technically you can perform a citizen's arrest.

Charge them with a crime and then put them on trial.

I'm not a lawyer so I'm at a disadvantage.

I endorse the concept, though.

I love this idea so much

You're all going to get shot.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Guys guys guys.....see what they did in Iceland? Lets at LEAST do THAT

These bankers have money, and courts are heavily swayed by it, despite what the law says.

I would be careful about this. There are people online who will do anything. Just watch your peers. Stay anonymous if you do anything crazy.

Money laundering, accessories to murder, felony fraud, racketeering, innumerable counts of larceny, etc.

Those are some serious allegations. Is there any concrete evidence depicting these felonies? Sure, it seems like these banks have done illegal things, but is there any solid proof at all that any of these have happened? If not, you probably shouldn't jump the next suit you see on Wall Street. You can't detain someone to bring them in for questioning like the police can (and should, in this case). Citizen's Arrest laws are not excuses to play vigilante freedom fighter.

If you are holding on to some pieces of paper that unquestionably incriminates a company or an individual in any of these crimes, then arrest away (well, you should probably lawyer-up and call the FBI first, if you think they'll do anything about it). But you better believe the banks are going to have a far superior lawyer than you. To say it would be an uphill battle trying to convict these people would be the understatement to end all understatements (one of the many reasons the gov hasn't gone after them, even if they should). Even if you arrest them, it will be the federal/state governments that will try them in court (their alleged crimes aren't against you, they're against 'the people'). Then when (not if, but when) the bankers win their case in court, they'll go after you for unlawful detention/imprisonment, breaking and entering, burglary, trespassing, assault, battery, not to mention every single slander law on the books. And proving those charges would be a cakewalk.

This is an avenue that's been explored by the people before; it's just not feasible, practical, or legal. There may be some rogues who think they'll stick it to 'the man' and show 'them' who's boss, but the law (and often the evidence) is stacked significantly against them.

You can do a citizen arrest but you still need a DA prosecutor and a court willing to go through with charges. Then a prison to put them in. With these guys you need to be Judge Dredd.

I am sure if we were to try this we would all be arrested for assault or something.

Arrest everyone who has voted for a Republican or Democrat as the peoples' representatives were all complicit and rewarded with reelection.

And what do you plan to do once they are "arrested"? An arrest is meaningless without prosecution. You can't take them to the jail yourself without the police doing it for you.

In short, there is no citizens' arrest unless the police and prosecutors are willing to give you backup.

This strikes me as something that would be a remarkably short-sighted and meaningless gesture.

It's not a police problem. You can arrest all the people you want, but if nobody is going to actually prosecute them it doesn't do any good.

i've seen a judge being arrested in a courtroom, sure someone could stretch to a banker if security could be handled. but are you going to be able to find a court who will try the case?

To win this battle or war all you have to teach each other and others is to bank with local credit unions.

Don't bank with any of the following and discourage the use of them:

http://www.infoplease.com/toptens/usbanks.html

• Bank of America Corp.
• J. P. Morgan Chase & Company
• Citigroup
• Wells Fargo & Company
• Goldman Sachs Group, Inc.
• Morgan Stanley
• Metlife, Inc.
• Barclays Group US, Inc.
• Taunus Corporation
• HSBC North America Inc

You don't see local credit unions on this list because compared to big bank, we barely use our credit unions. Teach people about banking with local credit unions and big banks won't have money to buy expensive bodyguards or lawyers but the evidence of corruption will be everpresent.

Money can be lost, evidence cannot be lost (it can be covered up).

Don't forget to look out for COINTELPRO agents, here's how:

http://www.whale.to/b/devoy.pdf

http://decryptedmatrix.com/live/how-to-spot-an-online-spy-cointelpro-agent/

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/online-cointelpro-nullifying-bloggers

Not sure if its been said but what's the point.

The law say sure you can arrest someone but you have to hand them over to Law Enforcement as soon as possible.

Once you hand them over, irrespective of the evidence you've obtained the DA is going to not press charges. Your banker is released and you'll be arrested for detaining/kidnapping.

With your excellent video and admission you give the government the case on a silver platter.

Now if you could prosecute the case that would be a different matter.

Angry mob with pitchforks and torches? I'm in.

the judges they pay off will just release them

I believe this was the plot of The Dark Knight Rises, no?

In any case the authorities would have to be called (volition) right away, as citizens do not have the right to (wrongful) imprisonment.

Sign me up, i will help with a legal citizens arrest against the wrong doings of the bankers.

bodyguards

if people started doing this, the rich would start building private armies and the government does not want that so they will arrest anyone who does this

It's easy, you get them by the balls and they'll sing any song you want.

I like your thinking.

I read Goldmansacks tell their employees to bring guns to work in-case of an populous uprising... guilty demeanor much?

Where did you read this?

So, what's stopping us from singling out those responsible for these illicit operations, breaking down the gates and doors of their mansions to arrest them, and bringing them before courts en masse?

The police. In the words of Lenny Bruce:

"But ya see, I can't do it cause I do business with these assholes, and it looks bad for me, you know, ah . . . so I want somebody to do it for me, you know? So I tell you what: Here's a stick and a gun and you do it -- but wait till I'm out of the room. And, wherever it happens, see, I'll wait back here and I'll watch, you know, and you make sure you kick 'em in the ass and throw 'em in there.

"Now you'll hear me say alotta times that it takes a certain kind of mentality to do that work, you know, and all that bullshit, you know, but you understand, it's all horseshit and you just kick em in the ass and make sure it's done."

So what happens? Now comes the riot, or the marches -- everybody's wailing, screaming. And you got a guy there, who's standing with a short-sleeved shirt on and a stick in his hand, and the people are yelling, "Gestapo! Gestapo!" at him:

"Gestapo? You asshole, I'm the mailman!"

That's another big problem. People can't separate the authority and the people who have the authority vested in them. I think you see that a lot in the demonstrations. Cause actually the people are demonstrating not against Vietnam -- they're demonstrating against the police department. Actually, against policemen. Because they have that concept -- that the law and the law enforcement are one.

So, let's presume you do arrest them. You're presuming a power that you lack -- the power to "bring them before the courts." A citizen's arrest is the power to arrest someone and turn them over to the police. The prosecutor having authority over the offense then gets to decide whether or not to bring charges.

So, I mean, even presuming that you could, why would you?

Good luck with that. I wouldn't try it because the courts will have their back and they'll come down harder on the arresters

No Quarter | The Military Solution

Only if you toghether can cover the payrole....

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Can you come up with any more excuses? Stand up for yourself, or you don't deserve to be called American.

I must have missed the part where you practice what you're preaching.

How many bankers have you arrested today?

Yes.

Money laundering, accessories to murder, felony fraud, racketeering, innumerable counts of larceny, etc.

This goes for every political activist too. God knows I want to arrest all fundie atheists.

ITT really fucking stupid people who are asking for a drone up their ass

What's the other option? An angry, untrained mob? They'll just go after whomever is the current head. Use the tools at our disposal. Nothing will happen otherwise- our leaders have already stated so.

Also, there's a fine line between picking our battles and running away from the important ones.

We know the police aren't willing to look at facts and bring those we know are responsible before a judge, so someone else must do it.