9:43 AM CST - what is this showing up on US national radar?

42  2013-03-26 by [deleted]

Westward sweeping beams followed by two "bursts" in MT and ND caught on radar. Data error or what?

http://wdssii.nssl.noaa.gov/web/wdss2/products/radar/rconusloop.shtml

edit: also seen here - http://climate.cod.edu/flanis/satellite/reg/index.php?type=usa-rad-48

I'm not sure how long this stays in the loop's history. Hoping there's some kind of archive 'cause I'm not busy recording it. These "beams" aren't infrequent, though. I see them all the time on local radar, just not this much in such an easily discernible pattern, and only recently have I noticed them being hundreds of miles long. My local radar KNIX - (make sure to select "local super res" in the "weather" menu, and maybe turn off "watches and warnings") actually has beams coming out of it constantly, though never as long as what I'm seeing aross the US right now, usually under a mile long.

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Wow. Like blooming flowers.

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I don't realize that. It happens twice daily.

You can view it today, the "beams" or whatever fly across, and south Texas blossoms.

Watch the twelve hour loop here.

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Radar stations can switch modes however often they need to.

Sure they can. But they don't. Clear air mode is the normal mode, very sensitive, and used until light rain is detected, when it's usually autoswitched to precipitation mode.

I also posted a link to a video of a full week. I'm not willing to believe that all radar stations across the nation are systematically and synchronously across the nation switching from the clear air mode to precipitation mode daily.

As far as the "beams", I don't know what they are, but they always precede the "blooming".

edit: repaired a misspell.

Here's some interesting reading I came upon. http://metabunk.org/threads/491-Debunked-HAARP-rings-scalar-squares-etc-validated-in-paper-from-Stanford

"the radio frequencies and operational altitudes between HAARP and NEXRAD are completely different such that they are totally incompatible."

"HAARP excites (heats) electrons in the lower ionosphere at an altitude of between ~ 70 to 100 km. It's important to note at this point that NEXRAD WSR-88D weather radar only extends to less than ~ 20 km in altitude. Weather radar transmits/receives at ~ 3 GHz whereas the HAARP array in this research transmitted at 3.25 MHz to produce an ELF/VLF "antenna" in the ionosphere that transmits at frequencies between 1 kHz and 6.25 kHz"

I researched more, and came across this : "Rings are due to range folding, when there is heavy precip well outside the radars range, it occasionally gets fooled into thinking a return from an old pulse was from the current pulse and misplaces the echos too close to the site. " What I've learned in the past half hour is that there is a lot more to radar than simply detecting crap in the sky.

Here's a nice page on range folding. http://tornado.sfsu.edu/Geosciences/classes/m815/rangefolding.html

You also have to remember that radar stations only see a tiny tiny blip of the sky. Look at this for raw data (http://radar.weather.gov/). Stations barely detect anything but the space close to them, and have a lot of anomalous propagation, which the station then has to filter out, making more room for error. A lot of the large radar maps you see contains guessing. With this in mind, a lot of the artifacts and things you see make sense.

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I was wondering about the perfect circles too. I think in order to answer it, you'd have to learn more about how the radar arrays work, and then how the information is parsed. Would be nice to have an expert do a writeup.

I think they are planes spraying chemtrails or cloud seeding, especially since the south had a bad drought in the summer. The sinkholes in Florida are becoming a huge problem because of this.

there is a big span between 3GHz and 3.25MHz - but plot both of those waveforms out over time and look count the nodes and anti-nodes. As an EE I work with power factor issues

You're either not an EE, or not a very sane one. Look at all the nodes and anti-nodes when you compare 60Hz and 67,000Hz... Just as stupid a comparison.

I can tell you first hand that harmonics

Oh, yeah... those 1000th order harmonics are such a big deal... NOT.

They are HAARP rings which are formed when high frequencies are shot into the atmosphere from land-based systems. Wiki The theory is that weather can be controlled using this system. Check out other vids on youtube on the same topic...there are plenty. Keep watching that area over the next 24-48 hours & see if storms/blizzards pop up.

EDIT: Fixed link

It's the westward sweeping motion that really got to me.

I've done a bit of research on the topic, especially after they produced an artificial plasma bubble recently, but I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to "beams."

I just stumbled onto this video after watching Suspicious0bservers' youtube channel. It explains a lot in a short amount of time (~12 mins) but there is a discussion about HAARP towards the end that I think has a lot of merit for your question. Check it out & see what you think. It definitely gave me a lot to think about.

Suspicious0bservers' youtube channel is one of my favorite daily sources. He's so damn informed, and he is absolutely level headed and doesn't jump to any conclusions. I've also learned an impressive amount from him so far.

lol...I actually managed to post it about 1 minute before you did in response to another comment.

I've may have actually seen one of these plasma bubbles. It was a very faint orange and you could only see it if you weren't looking directly at it. It hung around in the sky for about 3 minutes before it dissolved/became too hard to see.

I had always wondered.

Thanx!

You don't have to thank a robot.

Guess who's going to be first person up against a wall when the robots take over?

No walls in these parts.

Well played. The robots won't know what to do in that case.

What the...

These images depict some temporary interference, and nothing more. The causes can vary widely. In instances like these where it's just one scan, it's usually just some hiccup at the radar's end. Because these beams are pointed in all directions, the source of the interference is not from one central location (like the sun as I describe below), so it's likely just a goof at the site. Yes, there are a few sites that do something similar within the course of the day, but it happens and isn't uncommon or unusual.

Two more examples of this type of phenomenon are sunrise and sunset spikes. Each day the sun rises and sets, and at two points in the day will pass through the elevation that the radar is scanning at. The result is a beam pointing towards the sun at sunrise and again at sunset. It's caused by the radar picking up, or detecting, radiation given off by the sun. If you see a radar loop of the US, you'll see these beams appear from east to west because, well, the sun moves from east to west. Over the course of a year, the angle of the beams will change with respect to the angle of the sun.

Even though these images show interference that is a bit more chaotic, it's the exact same principle. There was just some temporary interference, and/or a hiccup at the radar site. These are computers after all, glitches happen.

Interesting. I noticed that the same radar loop had another westward sweeping motion later today in the same radar maps, and it looks to be around sunset. Am gonna have to check again tomorrow.

I'm sure you'll see some. They may not always be there depending on what else is going on, but certainly most of the time.

Coincidentally, just found an interesting page that illustrates what I was talking about before, how these spikes change angle with the time of the year: http://www.crh.noaa.gov/lmk/?n=sunset-spikes

It's always depressing to see the angle decline in the fall, and spirit-lifting to see them rise in the spring.

I chuckled a little at how the link said "cool loop." It was pretty cool.

I think so too; I'm glad you liked it. If you have any other radar or weather questions, feel free to ask. Or, as someone else suggested here, ask on /r/weather. I try to frequent there and provide insight when I can.

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I'm guessing it's the circular flashes at the top.

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Excerpts:

In this paper, we implement a new technique, hereafter referred to as ‘geometric modulation’ (and abbreviated GM), in which the beam scans in a geometric pattern at ELF/VLF rates, with no power modulation. The period of traversing the geometric pattern dictates the fundamental ELF/VLF modulation frequency, so that ON-OFF modulation is achieved through beam motion, not power modulation.

The GM schemes are herein labeled line-sweep, where the heating beam scans back and forth along a chosen azimuth, completing a full back-forth scan (in this case ±15 degrees) in one ELF/VLF period); sawtooth-sweep, where the heating beam scans along one chosen azimuth, completing one sweep across the path in one ELF/VLF period and starting back at the initial end; and circle-sweep, where the heated beam follows a circular pattern with some radius (in this case 15 degrees).

[24] A novel method of ELF/VLF wave generation via HF heating is implemented, herein named ‘geometric modulation’ (GM), whereby the HF heating beam is scanned along a geometric pattern with constant power. We have described three particular forms of GM, where the beam scans at a constant radius (circle-sweep), back and forth along an azimuth (line-sweep), or one way along an azimuth (sawtooth-sweep). [25] Near HAARP, GM is less effective than AM below 2 kHz, but more effective above 3 kHz. For long distance observations, GM consistently produces substantially stronger signals than AM for ELF/VLF frequencies above 3 kHz, by as much as 7 –11 dB. In addition, GM can lead to the creation of an unprecedented ELF phased array, capable of directed radiation at different azimuths within the EIW. Furthermore, additional improvements in both the resultant ELF/VLF amplitudes and the effective array directivity may yet be realized with further theoretical and experimental optimization.

Their references are probably all googlable, too. I'd create links for all of them, but it's a bit too time consuming, and I figure anyone interested enough could take the plunge:

Barr, R., and P. Stubbe (1991), ELF radiation from the Tromsø ‘‘super heater’’ facility, Geophys. Res. Lett., 18(6), 1035 – 1038.

Barr, R., M. T. Rietveld, P. Stubbe, and H. Kopka (1987), Ionospheric heater beam scanning: A mobile source of ELF radiation, Radio Sci., 22(6), 1076 – 1083.

Barr, R., P. Stubbe, and M. T. Rietveld (1999), ELF wave generation in the ionosphere using pulse modulated HF heating, Ann. Geophys., 17, 759 – 769.

Barr, R., D. Llanwyn Jones, and C. J. Rodger (2000), ELF and VLF radio waves, J. Atmos. Sol. Terr. Phys., 62, 1689 – 1718.

Borisov, M., A. Gurevich, and K. Papadopoulos (1996), Direct Cerenkov excitation of waveguide modes by a mobile ionospheric heater, Radio Sci., 31(4), 859 – 867.

Cohen, M. B., M. Golkowski, and U. S. Inan (2008), Orientation of the HAARP ELF ionospheric dipole and the auroral electrojet, Geophys. Res. Lett., 35, L02806, doi:10.1029/2007GL032424.

Ferraro, A. J., et al. (1982), VLF/ELF radiation from dynamo current system modulated by powerful HF signals, J. Atmos. Terr. Phys., 44, 1113 – 1122.

Getmantsev, G. G., et al. (1974), Combination frequencies in the interaction between high-power short-wave radiation and ionospheric plasma, Sov. Phys. JETP Lett., 20, 101 – 102, Engl. Transl.

Inan, U. S., M. Golkowski, D. L. Carpenter, N. Reddell, R. C. Moore, T. F. Bell, E. Paschal, P. Kossey, E. Kennedy, and S. Z. Meth (2004), Multihop whistler-mode ELF/VLF signals and triggered emissions excited by the HAARP HF heater, Geophys. Res. Lett., 31, L24805, doi:10.1029/ 2004GL021647.

Lunnen, R. J., et al. (1984), Detection of radiation from a heated and modulated equatorial electrojet current system, Nature, 311, 135 – 1354.

Moore, R. C., U. S. Inan, and T. F. Bell (2006), Observations of amplitude saturation in ELF/VLF wave generation by modulated HF heating of the auroral electrojet, Geophys. Res. Lett., 33, L12106, doi:10.1029/ 2006GL025934.

Moore, R. C., U. S. Inan, T. F. Bell, and E. J. Kennedy (2007), ELF waves generated by modulated HF heating of the auroral electrojet and observed at a ground distance of 4400 km, J. Geophys. Res., 112, A05309, doi:10.1029/2006JA012063.

Papadopoulos, K., C. L. Chang, P. Vitello, and A. Drobot (1990), On the efficiency of ionospheric ELF generation, Radio Sci., 25(6), 1131 – 1320.

Papadopoulos, K., H. B. Zhou, and C. L. Chang (1994), Cerenkov excitation of whistler/helicon waves by ionospheric HF heating, Geophys. Res. Lett., 21(17), 1767 – 1770.

Rietveld, M. T., R. Barr, H. Kopka, E. Nielsen, P. Stubbe, and R. L. Dowden (1984), Ionospheric heater beam scanning: A new technique for ELF studies of the auroral ionosphere, Radio Sci., 19(4), 1069 – 1077.

Stubbe, P., H. Kopka, and M. T. Rietveld (1982), ELF and VLF wave generation by modulated HF heating of the current carrying lower ionosphere, J. Atmos. Terr. Phys., 44, 1123 – 1135.

Villasen˜or, J., A. Y. Wong, B. Song, J. Pau, M. McCarrick, and D. Sentman (1996), Comparison of ELF/VLF generation modes in the ionosphere by the HIPAS heater array, Radio Sci., 31(1), 211 – 226.

Werner, D. H., and A. J. Ferraro (1987), Steerable ELF/VLF radiation produced by an array of ionospheric dipoles generated from HF heating, IEEE Trans. Antennas Propag., 9, 1022 – 1030. M. B. Cohen, M. A. Golkowski, and U. S. Inan, STAR Laboratory, Department of Electrical Engineering, Stanford University, 350 Serra Mall, Room 356, Stanford, CA, 94305, USA. (mcohen@stanford.edu)

This guy's yootube channel talks about the subject frequently. He seems pretty well informed about the phenomenon.

http://www.youtube.com/user/dutchsinse

That is odd....

This is truly disconcerting

This...is really really interesting.

its called weather

Definitely weird, but I have no idea what to make of it

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/r/weather is definitely the place to go with this question if OP wants to hear what some outside voices might have to say on the matter. I'm sure they've got some users who are a bit more well-read on general meteorology than your average bear.

/r/weather

On it.

Link to the thread please?

Thanks!

When you say supposedly, who has made this supposition?

Check out DutchSinse on youtube

Wow. Like blooming flowers.

I'm sure you'll see some. They may not always be there depending on what else is going on, but certainly most of the time.

Coincidentally, just found an interesting page that illustrates what I was talking about before, how these spikes change angle with the time of the year: http://www.crh.noaa.gov/lmk/?n=sunset-spikes

It's always depressing to see the angle decline in the fall, and spirit-lifting to see them rise in the spring.