You want me to belive the two Marathon Bombers go and rob a 7-11 a couple of days after bombing the marathon. How stupid do they think we are.....the whole thing is falling apart.
These guys are sociopathic maniacs. They don't devise escape plans. They aren't geniuses, they are human. Humans are prone to mistakes, especially after something as completely unnatural to a man's humanity as bombing an occupied building or a public sporting event. wow, you just actually did what you were planning the last 6 months. it actually happened. what is all this conflicting emotion i'm feeling? now what? fuck, I didn't plan this far...
Well from what I understand, they left hostages go so they are not that much of sociopaths. As for why they robbed a 7/11, not sure, doesn't make sense. Perhaps they went to the 7/11 to get some food and the clerk recognized them. They noticed this, got hostile...somebody else saw this so it was described as a robbery?
SoO much does not make sense about the last week. Most confronting is why was the WMD task-force was on site at Waco.
It doesnt say it but trucks look the same. I think its a good posibility
And how would you react to having your pictures broadcasted? Here is a conspiracy, what if the subreddit that fashioned itself as truth seekers was actually filled with simple minded charlatans?
I'm no psychologist but to stand next to child and place a bomb at his feet, i cant comprehend how any one like that is capable of emotion as we know it.
One way or another, everyone in this country pays taxes because it is mandated, not because they want to. It is very unfortunate that some of our tax dollars take innocent lives, but the way our government spends that money is basically out of our hands, which is a completely different problem. The people who are responsible for the Boston attack thought it out and planned what they would do. I agree with the original comment that anyone who can place a bomb at the feet of an innocent child does not have the ability to function properly on an emotional level.
If you live in a country, breathe its air, consume its food, take advantage of its roads and sidewalks, use its medical facilities and anything else it has to offer for the betterment of your life there may come a day when that country does something that goes against your moral code. When that time comes your country comes first, it may mean you have to stand shoulder to shoulder with your fellow countrymen and fight for something you don't believe in, but fight you must, and if that means shooting paki kids then you shoot them. If you are not prepared to die for your country then you shouldn't live in it. You should move to Pakistan now and give everything you have to someone more deserving.
fair point. i guess greater good comes into it. If my tax dollars kill a few innocents and take out a couple of bad guys that would have kill alot more innocents im ok with that. Its not really the same is it.?
Hey in a perfect world im all for no killing. I know its not the world we live in. Hopefully one day humanity gets there. Bad guys that are going to kill more innocents. Doesnt the greater good and minimising casulities have to come first?
You would probably want to start by asking someone a little more qualified in military tactics. Where does profit come from? Its not the only reason people go to war. Survival comes to mind kill or be killed
scumbag, mental evaluation its a bit rough based on a theoretical conversation. How can humanity ever progress if it isnt willing to discuss the hard issues no one wants to discuss if fear of being ridiculed
Holy shit. This guy seriously just justified killing "a few" kids for "The greater good" of killing "a couple" of "bad guys." Who are bad guys? Whoever the government tells you they are huh?
If there was a worst of reddit section I would nominate this scum bag.
A couple of bad guys that were going to kill more than a few innocent people .I think you have taken it a little out of context. Im just theorizing, they are not necessarily my beliefs. Whoever the government tells you? yeah if you in the military. Civilian casualties are a fact of war, they can not be avoided. Could i do it? i dont know iv never been faced with that decision and hope i never will.
-10 im glad you people are not running the country we would be siting on our hands. Decisions like that are made all the time in war. All through Iraq Afghanistan people have to make the hard decisions that no one wants to make to protect our freedom to try to squash terrorism and yes $$
How do you explain a fertilizer bomb in the back of a truck parked on the side of the street taking out half of a 10 story building? Also, McVeigh had his psyche destroyed by psychological testing by the government before he went crazy (hence all the material available on him). None of us really know what happened with these things; we shouldn't use propaganda to justify more propaganda.
I am all for questioning everything (hence why I subscribe to this sub) but not everything that has happened is a conspiracy. Mcvey admitted he did it. Case fucking closed.
I didn't mean to imply that I have any idea what happened in the McVeigh case; I'm not an expert and I have no idea what transpired in his "interview." I simply meant to point out that admitting guilt, especially in very serious crimes such as rape and murder, doesn't necessarily make the case open and shut. In some places, and with some people, law enforcement is less about solving actual crimes and more about keeping the status quo.
All that means is that you've never studied into psychological programming. You can convince people of all sorts of things about themselves with the right facilities and chemicals available to you. These types of programs have been well documented to the public for decades now; it should not be a surprise that they exist. To act as if a crazy person like McVeigh should be trusted on that one count but dismissed on all the others is not consistent; if you want to believe that he admitted to it (which I also believe he did), you should also have a little listen on what he had to say about the CIA and military as well. Just sayin' - my deal is "the only thing I know is that I do not know". You know just as little as me; we should both be less sure.
Also, way to side step my original point: how does a Uhaul full of fertilizer blow up half a 10 story building from 50 feet away?
I agree we should both be less sure. And I am fully opening to saying it wasn't him and that I was wrong. It's just looking at all of the evidence in my mind I concluded it was him. You had him Nichols and Nichols brother all say yes it was them. I just think that sometimes fucked up people do fucked up things and that was one of those cases. I just think that a lot of people are stubborn on their own thoughts. There will never ever be enough evidence for people to believe that it was him. We have him and everyone saying it was him all the evidence points to him and yet people still do not believe it, I'm just not sure what we need to see in order for people to believe it.
What if it's a 3rd answer tho? "He did it, but he didn't do it alone?" What if he was like a domino that was put into place, and his action put into action all the other pieces as well? When you go back and say "where did this all start?", you would point at that original domino, but you probably wouldn't implicate the person who set up the rest of them to fall as they did. With McVeigh, I think he drove the truck, I think there was a bomb on the truck, and I think he exploded that bomb, but I also think there was additional explosives within the building set to detonate at the same time. Much like WTC7. But, as you mentioned, ultimately I don't know. I just don't like people speaking in absolutes about things that we or they just cannot know, especially when the government/CIA is involved in some way. False flag attacks are written into history as a tactic our military leadership is not afraid to use (check out Operation Northwoods from the Cuba crisis in '62); we should not automatically assume that such tactics are out of bounds. The problem with 'evidence' is that it comes from the source that is usually implicated so it's hard to take at face value. Again, 'official' stories are only useful if the 'officials' aren't in question or danger. That is not always the truth in these cases...
How do you explain the video the 2nd man leaving the van full of explosives? Or the other bombs that were found that never went off? Way too many questions here.
People who commit crimes like this generally don't think they'll be caught. They are by the every nature irrational thinkers because most people do get caught. So trying to put it in context of someone who was using cost benefit analysis is wrong.
Now I'm not signaling you out specifically for thinking this way. It is a huge problem in our criminal justice system. If you want a real "conspiracy" it is that our laws are written to dissuade people who are acting rationally when most crimes are by their very nature are irrational.
Two lone wolves ban together to pull off Mondays bombing.
They lacked the foresight to truly plan out their actions after the bombing, maybe thinking they wouldn't even make it out alive.
holed up for a few days, paranoid as fuck.
need food, go to 7-11 to get hot dog. guy watching news sees picture on tv of recently released FBI photographs. notices white hat acting shady and paranoid. recognizes him from some where. turns to tv, "OH SHIT".
white hat realizes his gig is up, maybe he tries to just kill the gas station worker there and flee
From watching the news, they are actually this stupid. They thought they could hide in MA after bombing the marathon? Russian numbskulls. During the shootout last night one of them nearly killed the other suspect with a bomb he tried to throw at police, and ended up throwing it about 10 feet. They're fucking morons.
edit: removed some insults. I don't want to be "that guy" that comes to /r/conspiracy to make fun of people. You guys try your best, and you're just looking for answers like everyone else. Just wanted to provide my own perspective to the story, and I believe it's highly unlikely this is an "inside job" or "false flag", and even more unlikely that robbing a 7-11 indicates any conspiracy. That's all.
Maybe they weren't done yet. Given that they had additional bombs in their possession it's completely plausible that they wanted to continue with additional attacks - which would explain why they didn't flee.
That is A-grade gold plated retarded by them then. A global manhunt and a city shut down and they expect to be able to get away and plant more bombs in the same city?
And lots of people just kill themselves as part of the attack. There's no evidence that these guys are trying to do anything besides cause as much havoc as possible.
Him being missing could be fairly easily explained by them getting together to make final preparations etc.
But you're right, there are only two explanations for this: someone fucked up a false flag and it's now becoming obvious and ridiculous, or some idiots bombed a sporting event, and continued to be idiots and do ridiculous shit after the event.
I'm inclined to think it's the latter. If there's anything you can count on more than the governments of this world doing shady shit, it's the people of this world doing stupid shit.
Never underestimate the power of a man's stupidity.
I can't remember who said it but truer words have never been spoken.
This applies in this case I would imagine.
with modern day tech i find it hard to believe feds didn't know and weren't capable of stooping it. Maybe it works in with their agenda not to prevent it. It certainly doesn't appear to be clear cut.
I would say with the private security forces with the radiation monitors on site the day of...they knew. They just weren't sure. You can't just "stop" the Boston Marathon from happening.
A 130 pound kid has been evading an entire police force, SWAT teams & FBI for hours now.
We're made to believe naked guy is Suspect #1 the whole time, then all of a sudden Suspect #1 is pronounced dead and we're told naked guy was a random.
Ah, yes. Physical strength has 0 to do with how effective one is in basically taking on an army of people who have to go through physical training. I guess he can just keep throwing the tons of explosives he must be carrying around. Move along.
Not crazy shit, but Makestruffup has a point, why would someone preoccupy himself with homework, while planning a bombing, did he think he would get away with it and was going to finish the semester?
Granted it does not prove that he didn't do it, but it does bring up interesting questions about the mentality of a suspected bomber.
i agree it is interesting. i think there are a few reasons for his twiitter activity. i think it was a possibility they thought they would get away with it until they fbi released their pictures and said they had video of them. so they decided to fuck it
There's something that confuses me, there's a thread with a minute to minute account of the police chase shooting, grenades full die hard scenario that broke out. There's a picture of a captured suspect http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/759765692.jpg
Didn't they kill one and the other is missing? Also the police scanners report a black male, with a goatee, its all just a mess, lets just call it a mess for now.
agreed it was VERY confusing last night. i saw that picture too. they were at least one guy(in the picture) who was let go after it was determined he wasnt one of the guys. i did hear something about a black guy but only very shortly.
i think there was another guy they let go too last night.
I'm not entirely sure what you're asking. Are you asking where you can find the information confirming that the MIT incident happened before the 7-11 incident (and that the same perpetrators were involved)? Because if that's the case, you're asking a dumb question.
Also if they are so intent on killing civilians why haven't they shot anyone randomly right now on the run if they know the end is coming? Wouldn't a terrorist want to kill as many as possible before he goes down himself idk it's what I think they'd do
That's my issue with it. If they had been responsible for the bombings, I'm sure it would have been well planned prior to the attack. A plan would include a place to hide out if they got away. Probably not just right around the block. And I'd assume they wouldn't be going to a college, where security is already tight... and then hijacking cars... It all seems a little too attention grabbing for a couple guys who just committed an act of terror and need to get away.
According to an interview with family members, they were planning on going back to Russia later this month. My guess is that they figured they could get by unsuspected until they left the country. When their photos hit the national scene they freaked out, panicked and started the rest of this hoopla.
That's for people who think they are going to get caught. I'd say bombers like these probably think they are way smarter then everyone else. Hence the act in the first place.
This totally reminds me of the Mechanical Hound hunt at the end of Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury... They lose the actual suspect so they end up capturing a random guy just to satisfy the public.
Ok. So we know his name and have his picture. What proof do we have of them actually doing anything other than walking around the Marathon with a backpack and hat on?
I don't see that. Would you draw those conclusions from still frame photographs if that's not what they told you had happened?
If they have the video evidence that shows these guys are guilty of bombing the marathon, or shooting the MIT officer, or robbing a 7-11, then i'd love to see it. Until then, they are innocent until proven guilty in my mind.
I don't have the right to see video evidence of someone the FBI is asking for my help in identifying? Well then, fuck you FBI. Find him yourself if you don't want to show us what we are looking for.
See I find it rather convenient that they have that picture of him letting his bag down - and then although it doesn't match the descriptions its the image they use to call him a suspect. Basically though, all controversial opinions are moot once he shot back and tried to bomb the cops. I mean I don't know if they have video but that's damn convincing that those are the right guys.
I mean.. The guy whose legs were blown off could be - to play devils advy - was drugged up heavily. They could have been showing him photos non stop and his memory I mean how much do you trust it when something super traumatic happens like that. Most ppl tend to forget and black out completely those moments.
Just playing the advocate, like I said. Them having fought back and ran from cops is pretty damn convincing they are the right ones.
no problem. im sure we are gonna get more information as we go on. the guy said the bomber looked right in his eyes before he set the bag down and two minutes later it exploded. but your right, eye witness accounts are not accurate 100% of the time.
what doesnt match the description? the bag? its hard to tell, though the other brother did have a back pack that looks more similar to the picture.
The backpack that was exploded and they had found was not the same one as the picture of the white hat kid who placed it down - they haven't shown THAT exploded backpack - and that's the same guy they show the pic of who's on the left of the evidence photos without his pack.
They should be able to maybe also show that grey backpack right? But also it could be totally disintegrated.
I've looked people right in the eyes too. If that person turned around and was exploded I'm sure he would indicate me as well - but was he watching the backpack explode in real time?
I was suggesting that sometimes ppl take their backpacks off because they get heavy.
So I'm not saying they are wrong about this guy, they would have to go super far to be pulling one on the public but taking care of them by murder is a nice easy way to tie up those ends.
Its strange that they have those army type guys everyone id'd and also two other dudes that could be suspected, who people also claimed to see without backpacks -- its easy to say they never said anything about suspects until doing their homework, but also they could have done very thorough background checks before choosing how and who to take the fall.
If there were for sure photos/vid of them fighting back I would be 100% convinced. I'm only 99.9% convinced without it.
The backpack that was exploded and they had found was not the same one as the picture of the white hat kid who placed it down - they haven't shown THAT exploded backpack - and that's the same guy they show the pic of who's on the left of the evidence photos without his pack.
correct. and yea idk why they haven't showed the other bag.
've looked people right in the eyes too. If that person turned around and was exploded I'm sure he would indicate me as well - but was he watching the backpack explode in real time?
idk. he did say he saw him place the bag down and leave though.
yea i don't really doubt these are not the guys but i really want them to get him alive. although if he has a bomb on him like his brother idk how realistic that is.
Its strange that they have those army type guys everyone id'd and also two other dudes that could be suspected, who people also claimed to see without backpacks
i dont really understand this part.
im in the same boat with you i think for the most part. I would definitely enjoy more evidence.
Would you turn yourself in if the FBI published pictures of you with the caption "Wanted. Armed and Dangerous"? You won't get a chance to open your mouth.
Also, how do you know his backpack caused the explosion? I'm really curious. Were you there?
yes. i sure wouldnt try to run away. where the fuck are you gonna go.
bc the picture where the bag is and the picture of that bombsite matches. do you think they saw two brothers told them to go put their bags down in different spots and then shot a rocket at it or something?
so they only way anyone knows anything if they were there? eye witness accounts are actually not super reliable.
what if he was getting a water bottle out of his backpack on the ground prior to the bomb going off? i want to see video evidence of him leaving the backpack at the scene and then strolling off without it prior to the bomb exploding. the FBI claims to have this but the public hasn't seen any of it.
Thats what I keep telling people. There is no "hard" evidence that these guys did it other than some grainy photos. It doesn't make sense that they would go do something as stupid as rob a 711. Im not saying it wasn't them, but the Boston PD and FBI are frantic trying to get the bombers and this fits well. Yes these guys are terrorists in their own right because of what they did......but that doesn't mean they are related to the bombing. I heard someone say "guilty until proven innocent"....is that what we do now?
Why does everyone insist on trying to put this in terms of what a rational person would do? Someone who would commit a crime like this is by the very nature irrational.
Ironically you are buying into the government's system. They tell us criminals make cost benefit analysis before committing crimes and if we make the penalties bad enough it'll stop them. The truth is most criminals who commit crimes don't really think about the consequences or think some how they are magically not going to get caught.
Im just trying to remain open minded here and not eat up everything CNN and Fox tell us. It does not add up that they would do that after bombing, "correct mindset" or not. Just asking questions and thinking out loud. I hope it is them and they do catch this guy alive and question him, but until all that is confirmed I'll be skeptical
And regardless, a person is innocent until proven guilty, because it was one of the ideals that made American great...if you were white and had some money.
Even as a person who doesn't particularly feel that this is anything more than a couple of nutjobs who decided to blow shit up, I am confused by the whole 7/11 thing. I don't really understand why they would do that.
Honestly, if we're talking false flag here then it doesn't really matter how these things end. Its real funny though that most of these things end with some extremely stupid move on the 'suspects' side as if someone who plans a bombing can't think more than a step ahead, or they plan up to the bombing and then just wing it afterwards.
I can't personally believe a "false flag" attack would have no planned finale. If there is enough work to go into designing and creating an attack- there is absolutely zero possibility that there was no thorough thought put into a conclusion.
It does matter how these things end if they are "false flag" because it is about more than the attack itself. Leaving huge loose ends with little regard is sloppy and if there was effort to design an attack like this- surely there was an end result created.
While I personally don't believe this to be any kind of "false flag"- I also don't think it makes sense to imagine that there is so much planning and conspiring to execute an attack against citizens and then zero forethought on what happens next. That seems like it is a grave underestimating of the government.
if this is some govt conspiracy, don't you think the govt would be extremely efficient in covering their asses during these things? I mean the government is pretty fucking crafty, so you'd think they wouldn't keep on fucking up time and time again...
This is why this is a textbook Conspiracy theory. This is why I come here. It is a perfect demonstration of the psychological underpinnings of how people believe in stuff like this. The government is all powerful, they have the ability to create these large false flag events that trick and manipulate the public to achieve their own dark means. The evidence for this? It's poorly pulled off. The very smart and organized government does they're acts in a poor manner. Now if these two had built a helicopter and flown out of the country, well, it's OBVIOUS only a big well organized government could pull that off. The way most people work is that they only take in info that reinforces they're predisposed beliefs. People who believe in conspiracies take in ALL information, and manipulate it to reinforce they're beliefs. Again, absolutely textbook.
Im so glad I found this subreddit. This shit is unbelievable. And it can't believe that they are trying to fool us. This is the most blatant move i've ever seen of the gov fucking its own people.
Well you have to consider they were probably suspects long before we knew they were. That being the case they very likely had their assets frozen and couldn't buy whatever last min supplies they needed. It could also be that they simply didn't plan on going this long uncaught and going back to the frozen assets thing got desperate.
What's funny is, no matter how much friends of the suspects come forward and say this isn't the person they know, the MSM is trying really hard to debunk those statements. It's sickening.
i remember some guy beat his fucking wife to death with a hammer on their front lawn. all the neighbors and shit said he was so nice and how surprised they were.
just bc they blew that shit up does not mean they acted like nut jobs day to day.
They may of needed money or supplies, thy bombed innocent people! Somethig tells me robing a 711 isn't that big a deal to them.. They could do it and be quick, it's not crazy
They just said "suspect 2 with the white hat is a Caucasian male with dark hair." Um... Caucasian? Sunil? If they confirmed it was the missing guy he does not appear Caucasian.
At the time of this post a lot of media was reporting it was the missing student. I didn't report that. So, not my bad. Down vote the news media for reporting bullshit.
Holy shit. This guy seriously just justified killing "a few" kids for "The greater good" of killing "a couple" of "bad guys." Who are bad guys? Whoever the government tells you they are huh?
If there was a worst of reddit section I would nominate this scum bag.
scumbag, mental evaluation its a bit rough based on a theoretical conversation. How can humanity ever progress if it isnt willing to discuss the hard issues no one wants to discuss if fear of being ridiculed
-10 im glad you people are not running the country we would be siting on our hands. Decisions like that are made all the time in war. All through Iraq Afghanistan people have to make the hard decisions that no one wants to make to protect our freedom to try to squash terrorism and yes $$
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38 MakesStuff_Up 2013-04-19
Yah. And Tim Mcvey was pulled over for a missing license plate and arrested for concealed weapon shortly after the Oklahoma city bombing.
Either these guys go full retard as soon as they commit these crimes, or all of this is set up and these guys are just patsies...
28 mainsworth 2013-04-19
These guys are sociopathic maniacs. They don't devise escape plans. They aren't geniuses, they are human. Humans are prone to mistakes, especially after something as completely unnatural to a man's humanity as bombing an occupied building or a public sporting event. wow, you just actually did what you were planning the last 6 months. it actually happened. what is all this conflicting emotion i'm feeling? now what? fuck, I didn't plan this far...
17 FedorvsBrock 2013-04-19
Well from what I understand, they left hostages go so they are not that much of sociopaths. As for why they robbed a 7/11, not sure, doesn't make sense. Perhaps they went to the 7/11 to get some food and the clerk recognized them. They noticed this, got hostile...somebody else saw this so it was described as a robbery?
8 TheNicestMonkey 2013-04-19
Or they needed money to go do stuff.
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Or food to eat
-1 [deleted] 2013-04-19
SoO much does not make sense about the last week. Most confronting is why was the WMD task-force was on site at Waco. It doesnt say it but trucks look the same. I think its a good posibility
http://intellihub.com/2013/04/19/eyewitness-in-waco-confirms-live-drill-and-military-presence-prior-to-explosion-photosvideo/
4 rdsparks 2013-04-19
And how would you react to having your pictures broadcasted? Here is a conspiracy, what if the subreddit that fashioned itself as truth seekers was actually filled with simple minded charlatans?
0 [deleted] 2013-04-19
Yeah your right should just go to sleep ay. it doesnt make a whole lot of difference. i think its curisoty more than anything.
-1 [deleted] 2013-04-19
I'm no psychologist but to stand next to child and place a bomb at his feet, i cant comprehend how any one like that is capable of emotion as we know it.
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3 damjams4 2013-04-19
One way or another, everyone in this country pays taxes because it is mandated, not because they want to. It is very unfortunate that some of our tax dollars take innocent lives, but the way our government spends that money is basically out of our hands, which is a completely different problem. The people who are responsible for the Boston attack thought it out and planned what they would do. I agree with the original comment that anyone who can place a bomb at the feet of an innocent child does not have the ability to function properly on an emotional level.
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0 [deleted] 2013-04-19
So we have to be complicit in the murder of innocent civilians or we go to prison... do I have that right??
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2 [deleted] 2013-04-19
wtf are you doing about all of this. where do you live where you don't pay taxes?
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1 [deleted] 2013-04-19
so your solution is no taxes. yea that would work out great
well i don't do what you do. thats for damn sure
1 Andyl66 2013-04-19
If you live in a country, breathe its air, consume its food, take advantage of its roads and sidewalks, use its medical facilities and anything else it has to offer for the betterment of your life there may come a day when that country does something that goes against your moral code. When that time comes your country comes first, it may mean you have to stand shoulder to shoulder with your fellow countrymen and fight for something you don't believe in, but fight you must, and if that means shooting paki kids then you shoot them. If you are not prepared to die for your country then you shouldn't live in it. You should move to Pakistan now and give everything you have to someone more deserving.
-10 [deleted] 2013-04-19
fair point. i guess greater good comes into it. If my tax dollars kill a few innocents and take out a couple of bad guys that would have kill alot more innocents im ok with that. Its not really the same is it.?
6 ashamandre 2013-04-19
"greater good" is a slogan the powerful use to justify preying on the weak
-1 [deleted] 2013-04-19
well it seems like prey or be preyed on. Is there a choice?. Whats the point of living if were just living to die. WORD
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-1 [deleted] 2013-04-19
Hey in a perfect world im all for no killing. I know its not the world we live in. Hopefully one day humanity gets there. Bad guys that are going to kill more innocents. Doesnt the greater good and minimising casulities have to come first?
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-1 [deleted] 2013-04-19
You would probably want to start by asking someone a little more qualified in military tactics. Where does profit come from? Its not the only reason people go to war. Survival comes to mind kill or be killed
-2 [deleted] 2013-04-19
scumbag, mental evaluation its a bit rough based on a theoretical conversation. How can humanity ever progress if it isnt willing to discuss the hard issues no one wants to discuss if fear of being ridiculed
4 Jitzs 2013-04-19
Holy shit. This guy seriously just justified killing "a few" kids for "The greater good" of killing "a couple" of "bad guys." Who are bad guys? Whoever the government tells you they are huh? If there was a worst of reddit section I would nominate this scum bag.
-2 [deleted] 2013-04-19
A couple of bad guys that were going to kill more than a few innocent people .I think you have taken it a little out of context. Im just theorizing, they are not necessarily my beliefs. Whoever the government tells you? yeah if you in the military. Civilian casualties are a fact of war, they can not be avoided. Could i do it? i dont know iv never been faced with that decision and hope i never will.
1 Jitzs 2013-04-19
I don't think this is a war, it's more of a hunt. I don't go around shooting every animal in the forrest when I'm after one deer. America does though.
1 [deleted] 2013-04-19
ok. You lost me. Wasnt talking about current events, you made a comment about a paki kid and i was talking in a general sence
2 4PM 2013-04-19
You can apply the same ideology if you imagine that the kid that got killed was going to grow up to be Hitler.
1 ZombieBeach 2013-04-19
Or the kid could have cured cancer
-1 [deleted] 2013-04-19
yeah but that's all what ifs. The other is a little more calculated
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-10 im glad you people are not running the country we would be siting on our hands. Decisions like that are made all the time in war. All through Iraq Afghanistan people have to make the hard decisions that no one wants to make to protect our freedom to try to squash terrorism and yes $$
14 DunDerD 2013-04-19
How do you explain the hours and hours of tape of Mcvey talking about doing it?
8 first_they_came 2013-04-19
a patsy could be involved and still be a patsy.
edit: why downvote a earnest fact? fools.
-1 DunDerD 2013-04-19
He received a lethal injection.....
3 first_they_came 2013-04-19
Yes he did.
6 oneinfinitecreator 2013-04-19
How do you explain a fertilizer bomb in the back of a truck parked on the side of the street taking out half of a 10 story building? Also, McVeigh had his psyche destroyed by psychological testing by the government before he went crazy (hence all the material available on him). None of us really know what happened with these things; we shouldn't use propaganda to justify more propaganda.
-1 DunDerD 2013-04-19
I am all for questioning everything (hence why I subscribe to this sub) but not everything that has happened is a conspiracy. Mcvey admitted he did it. Case fucking closed.
6 contentinvalid 2013-04-19
Sometimes people admit to doing things they didn't do.
0 DunDerD 2013-04-19
Yes that is true but he had hours of interview of detailing step by step what he did and he was very proud of it. What exactly do you think happened?
1 contentinvalid 2013-04-19
I didn't mean to imply that I have any idea what happened in the McVeigh case; I'm not an expert and I have no idea what transpired in his "interview." I simply meant to point out that admitting guilt, especially in very serious crimes such as rape and murder, doesn't necessarily make the case open and shut. In some places, and with some people, law enforcement is less about solving actual crimes and more about keeping the status quo.
6 oneinfinitecreator 2013-04-19
All that means is that you've never studied into psychological programming. You can convince people of all sorts of things about themselves with the right facilities and chemicals available to you. These types of programs have been well documented to the public for decades now; it should not be a surprise that they exist. To act as if a crazy person like McVeigh should be trusted on that one count but dismissed on all the others is not consistent; if you want to believe that he admitted to it (which I also believe he did), you should also have a little listen on what he had to say about the CIA and military as well. Just sayin' - my deal is "the only thing I know is that I do not know". You know just as little as me; we should both be less sure.
Also, way to side step my original point: how does a Uhaul full of fertilizer blow up half a 10 story building from 50 feet away?
'Move along people... nothing to see here...'
1 DunDerD 2013-04-19
I agree we should both be less sure. And I am fully opening to saying it wasn't him and that I was wrong. It's just looking at all of the evidence in my mind I concluded it was him. You had him Nichols and Nichols brother all say yes it was them. I just think that sometimes fucked up people do fucked up things and that was one of those cases. I just think that a lot of people are stubborn on their own thoughts. There will never ever be enough evidence for people to believe that it was him. We have him and everyone saying it was him all the evidence points to him and yet people still do not believe it, I'm just not sure what we need to see in order for people to believe it.
2 oneinfinitecreator 2013-04-19
What if it's a 3rd answer tho? "He did it, but he didn't do it alone?" What if he was like a domino that was put into place, and his action put into action all the other pieces as well? When you go back and say "where did this all start?", you would point at that original domino, but you probably wouldn't implicate the person who set up the rest of them to fall as they did. With McVeigh, I think he drove the truck, I think there was a bomb on the truck, and I think he exploded that bomb, but I also think there was additional explosives within the building set to detonate at the same time. Much like WTC7. But, as you mentioned, ultimately I don't know. I just don't like people speaking in absolutes about things that we or they just cannot know, especially when the government/CIA is involved in some way. False flag attacks are written into history as a tactic our military leadership is not afraid to use (check out Operation Northwoods from the Cuba crisis in '62); we should not automatically assume that such tactics are out of bounds. The problem with 'evidence' is that it comes from the source that is usually implicated so it's hard to take at face value. Again, 'official' stories are only useful if the 'officials' aren't in question or danger. That is not always the truth in these cases...
2 allmen 2013-04-19
Fucking case closed? There were bombs inside too right?
2 allmen 2013-04-19
Fucking case closed? There were bombs inside too right?
3 tonehead 2013-04-19
How do you explain the video the 2nd man leaving the van full of explosives? Or the other bombs that were found that never went off? Way too many questions here.
3 jandsb_fan 2013-04-19
You never go full retard...
1 hadees 2013-04-19
People who commit crimes like this generally don't think they'll be caught. They are by the every nature irrational thinkers because most people do get caught. So trying to put it in context of someone who was using cost benefit analysis is wrong.
Now I'm not signaling you out specifically for thinking this way. It is a huge problem in our criminal justice system. If you want a real "conspiracy" it is that our laws are written to dissuade people who are acting rationally when most crimes are by their very nature are irrational.
-1 Superconducter 2013-04-19
The latter of course.
-37 [deleted] 2013-04-19
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16 Flytape 2013-04-19
Personal attacks are not welcome here.
-9 yakuzayalosa 2013-04-19
Hos yah hans brings me da chocolate HOS YAH
19 [deleted] 2013-04-19
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34 mainsworth 2013-04-19
Here's a possible scenerio of what goes down:
Two lone wolves ban together to pull off Mondays bombing.
They lacked the foresight to truly plan out their actions after the bombing, maybe thinking they wouldn't even make it out alive.
holed up for a few days, paranoid as fuck.
need food, go to 7-11 to get hot dog. guy watching news sees picture on tv of recently released FBI photographs. notices white hat acting shady and paranoid. recognizes him from some where. turns to tv, "OH SHIT".
white hat realizes his gig is up, maybe he tries to just kill the gas station worker there and flee
tonight's chronicled chain of events begin here
17 bakedCake 2013-04-19
From watching the news, they are actually this stupid. They thought they could hide in MA after bombing the marathon? Russian numbskulls. During the shootout last night one of them nearly killed the other suspect with a bomb he tried to throw at police, and ended up throwing it about 10 feet. They're fucking morons.
edit: removed some insults. I don't want to be "that guy" that comes to /r/conspiracy to make fun of people. You guys try your best, and you're just looking for answers like everyone else. Just wanted to provide my own perspective to the story, and I believe it's highly unlikely this is an "inside job" or "false flag", and even more unlikely that robbing a 7-11 indicates any conspiracy. That's all.
3 ohlerdy 2013-04-19
Idiots should have had a flight booked to fucking a billion miles away and hopped on the flight ASAP after the bombing.
At least they were dumb enough to get themselves caught.
12 TheNicestMonkey 2013-04-19
Maybe they weren't done yet. Given that they had additional bombs in their possession it's completely plausible that they wanted to continue with additional attacks - which would explain why they didn't flee.
6 ohlerdy 2013-04-19
That is A-grade gold plated retarded by them then. A global manhunt and a city shut down and they expect to be able to get away and plant more bombs in the same city?
1 TheNicestMonkey 2013-04-19
And lots of people just kill themselves as part of the attack. There's no evidence that these guys are trying to do anything besides cause as much havoc as possible.
1 neurotap 2013-04-19
This is usually what most sociopaths do.
1 [deleted] 2013-04-19
well if his plan was to go on the run and avoid the authorities so far so good. seems unlikely though
1 [deleted] 2013-04-19
Go to a different state?
1 JesusXP 2013-04-19
I can't dent they are the guys when they shot and threw bombs at police. But this is why cops should have go pro cameras. Was there footage of this ?
-2 [deleted] 2013-04-19
Go back to bed, America. Your government is in control again. Watch this, shut up. Go back to bed, America.
At least free thinking hasn't died out completely. When people stop questioning you might as well give up
-2 barryq25 2013-04-19
He isn't Russian
-1 onlysaneman_ 2013-04-19
Him being missing could be fairly easily explained by them getting together to make final preparations etc.
But you're right, there are only two explanations for this: someone fucked up a false flag and it's now becoming obvious and ridiculous, or some idiots bombed a sporting event, and continued to be idiots and do ridiculous shit after the event.
I'm inclined to think it's the latter. If there's anything you can count on more than the governments of this world doing shady shit, it's the people of this world doing stupid shit.
2 neurotap 2013-04-19
Never underestimate the power of a man's stupidity. I can't remember who said it but truer words have never been spoken. This applies in this case I would imagine.
2 onlysaneman_ 2013-04-19
IIRC it was Einstein who said "There are only two things that are infinite: the universe, and human stupidity; and i'm not sure about the first one."
0 neurotap 2013-04-19
That sounds like it. Thanks.
0 [deleted] 2013-04-19
with modern day tech i find it hard to believe feds didn't know and weren't capable of stooping it. Maybe it works in with their agenda not to prevent it. It certainly doesn't appear to be clear cut.
2 ogenrwot 2013-04-19
I would say with the private security forces with the radiation monitors on site the day of...they knew. They just weren't sure. You can't just "stop" the Boston Marathon from happening.
1 [deleted] 2013-04-19
i find it hard to believe gov would know about them and not be able to keep tabs on them
1 [deleted] 2013-04-19
they more than knew they sat back and watched http://imgur.com/KSCMKOY for your consideration
-4 wessexstock 2013-04-19
http://imgur.com/a/3lnN0
http://imgur.com/a/3lnN0
http://imgur.com/a/3lnN0
http://imgur.com/a/3lnN0
For entertainment purposes only
15 StrawberrySlice 2013-04-19
Not only that, but:
A 130 pound kid has been evading an entire police force, SWAT teams & FBI for hours now.
We're made to believe naked guy is Suspect #1 the whole time, then all of a sudden Suspect #1 is pronounced dead and we're told naked guy was a random.
The whole thing is just ridiculous.
8 [deleted] 2013-04-19
Yes his weight affects the efficacy of bombs and guns. If he were 210 pounds how it aid his run from the police?
3 Stevo182 2013-04-19
I think the point is that we spend billions of dollars every year on these SWAT, FBI, and DHS teams, yet they can't catch one kid in the area?
1 StrawberrySlice 2013-04-19
Ah, yes. Physical strength has 0 to do with how effective one is in basically taking on an army of people who have to go through physical training. I guess he can just keep throwing the tons of explosives he must be carrying around. Move along.
1 [deleted] 2013-04-19
Has he been engaging in hand to hand combat with his pursuers?
3 MakesStuff_Up 2013-04-19
I find it really strange that according to his tweets he was still doing his homework last month.
If this thing was being planned... why would this guy still be doing his homework and complaining about it?
His tweets don't make any sense for someone that was going to do this...
1 [deleted] 2013-04-19
why? everyone who does something like this is suppose to post crazy shit on their twitter
2 BalthazarBadia 2013-04-19
Not crazy shit, but Makestruffup has a point, why would someone preoccupy himself with homework, while planning a bombing, did he think he would get away with it and was going to finish the semester?
Granted it does not prove that he didn't do it, but it does bring up interesting questions about the mentality of a suspected bomber.
1 [deleted] 2013-04-19
i agree it is interesting. i think there are a few reasons for his twiitter activity. i think it was a possibility they thought they would get away with it until they fbi released their pictures and said they had video of them. so they decided to fuck it
1 BalthazarBadia 2013-04-19
There's something that confuses me, there's a thread with a minute to minute account of the police chase shooting, grenades full die hard scenario that broke out. There's a picture of a captured suspect http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/759765692.jpg Didn't they kill one and the other is missing? Also the police scanners report a black male, with a goatee, its all just a mess, lets just call it a mess for now.
2 [deleted] 2013-04-19
agreed it was VERY confusing last night. i saw that picture too. they were at least one guy(in the picture) who was let go after it was determined he wasnt one of the guys. i did hear something about a black guy but only very shortly.
i think there was another guy they let go too last night.
2 [deleted] 2013-04-19
GOOD BLESS HOLLYWOOD
2 [deleted] 2013-04-19
if you were listening to the scanner they released him pretty quickly
11 CarlSagan6 2013-04-19
So are we just ignoring the fact that the 7-11 thing happened after the whole MIT incident now?
2 [deleted] 2013-04-19
where can i find this information
1 CarlSagan6 2013-04-19
I'm not entirely sure what you're asking. Are you asking where you can find the information confirming that the MIT incident happened before the 7-11 incident (and that the same perpetrators were involved)? Because if that's the case, you're asking a dumb question.
0 Lord_Hayday 2013-04-19
Also if they are so intent on killing civilians why haven't they shot anyone randomly right now on the run if they know the end is coming? Wouldn't a terrorist want to kill as many as possible before he goes down himself idk it's what I think they'd do
6 hadees 2013-04-19
They are more intent on getting away. Also you really think someone in a standoff with police is thinking rationally?
3 theglace 2013-04-19
Intent on getting away? Better stay within spitting distance of the scene of the crime.
3 CarlSagan6 2013-04-19
Perhaps theyre just really bad at this terrorist thing
0 fatmiddleagedman 2013-04-19
That's my issue with it. If they had been responsible for the bombings, I'm sure it would have been well planned prior to the attack. A plan would include a place to hide out if they got away. Probably not just right around the block. And I'd assume they wouldn't be going to a college, where security is already tight... and then hijacking cars... It all seems a little too attention grabbing for a couple guys who just committed an act of terror and need to get away.
5 [deleted] 2013-04-19
According to an interview with family members, they were planning on going back to Russia later this month. My guess is that they figured they could get by unsuspected until they left the country. When their photos hit the national scene they freaked out, panicked and started the rest of this hoopla.
1 hadees 2013-04-19
That's for people who think they are going to get caught. I'd say bombers like these probably think they are way smarter then everyone else. Hence the act in the first place.
0 Lord_Hayday 2013-04-19
No but shooting innocents is just that, an irrational thought
1 WaffleSports 2013-04-19
Murderers like to kill people true terrorism is to incite fear into people.
-2 ListenHear 2013-04-19
Excellent point
8 tcbasket22 2013-04-19
This totally reminds me of the Mechanical Hound hunt at the end of Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury... They lose the actual suspect so they end up capturing a random guy just to satisfy the public.
4 [deleted] 2013-04-19
except they have released identity and pictures of suspect
2 fahque650 2013-04-19
Ok. So we know his name and have his picture. What proof do we have of them actually doing anything other than walking around the Marathon with a backpack and hat on?
0 [deleted] 2013-04-19
there is the picture of the younger one with his backpack on the ground next to the dead kid. and him running without.
the guy with his legs blown off ID"d the other brother.
they said they have video but they were not releasing it.
2 fahque650 2013-04-19
Why not?
0 [deleted] 2013-04-19
idk dude
but you can see the kid with the bag on. then him with it on the ground and him running away without.
2 fahque650 2013-04-19
I don't see that. Would you draw those conclusions from still frame photographs if that's not what they told you had happened? If they have the video evidence that shows these guys are guilty of bombing the marathon, or shooting the MIT officer, or robbing a 7-11, then i'd love to see it. Until then, they are innocent until proven guilty in my mind.
2 [deleted] 2013-04-19
well you don't have the right to see video of every violent act on citizens. thats good you think they are innocent until proven guilty.
1 fahque650 2013-04-19
I don't have the right to see video evidence of someone the FBI is asking for my help in identifying? Well then, fuck you FBI. Find him yourself if you don't want to show us what we are looking for.
1 [deleted] 2013-04-19
then don't.
1 JesusXP 2013-04-19
I hear you, but its also possible he put his backpack down because it was heavy - at the point where they showed it in the picture.
Its possible he ran like the dickens and dropped it because he was scared shirtless after the bomb..
I mean, why be close at ALL if it had remote detonation ?? Does that not seem sort of odd?
1 [deleted] 2013-04-19
well the guy with his legs blown off ID'd his brother like i said.
i have no idea how far his detonation thing could be effective at. maybe he dropped it and went in one of those buildings until it exploded. idfk
and i find it even more odd that the kids bag was in the exact spot of the blast.
1 JesusXP 2013-04-19
See I find it rather convenient that they have that picture of him letting his bag down - and then although it doesn't match the descriptions its the image they use to call him a suspect. Basically though, all controversial opinions are moot once he shot back and tried to bomb the cops. I mean I don't know if they have video but that's damn convincing that those are the right guys.
I mean.. The guy whose legs were blown off could be - to play devils advy - was drugged up heavily. They could have been showing him photos non stop and his memory I mean how much do you trust it when something super traumatic happens like that. Most ppl tend to forget and black out completely those moments.
Just playing the advocate, like I said. Them having fought back and ran from cops is pretty damn convincing they are the right ones.
1 [deleted] 2013-04-19
no problem. im sure we are gonna get more information as we go on. the guy said the bomber looked right in his eyes before he set the bag down and two minutes later it exploded. but your right, eye witness accounts are not accurate 100% of the time.
what doesnt match the description? the bag? its hard to tell, though the other brother did have a back pack that looks more similar to the picture.
1 JesusXP 2013-04-19
The backpack that was exploded and they had found was not the same one as the picture of the white hat kid who placed it down - they haven't shown THAT exploded backpack - and that's the same guy they show the pic of who's on the left of the evidence photos without his pack.
They should be able to maybe also show that grey backpack right? But also it could be totally disintegrated.
I've looked people right in the eyes too. If that person turned around and was exploded I'm sure he would indicate me as well - but was he watching the backpack explode in real time?
I was suggesting that sometimes ppl take their backpacks off because they get heavy.
So I'm not saying they are wrong about this guy, they would have to go super far to be pulling one on the public but taking care of them by murder is a nice easy way to tie up those ends.
Its strange that they have those army type guys everyone id'd and also two other dudes that could be suspected, who people also claimed to see without backpacks -- its easy to say they never said anything about suspects until doing their homework, but also they could have done very thorough background checks before choosing how and who to take the fall.
If there were for sure photos/vid of them fighting back I would be 100% convinced. I'm only 99.9% convinced without it.
1 [deleted] 2013-04-19
correct. and yea idk why they haven't showed the other bag.
idk. he did say he saw him place the bag down and leave though.
yea i don't really doubt these are not the guys but i really want them to get him alive. although if he has a bomb on him like his brother idk how realistic that is.
i dont really understand this part.
im in the same boat with you i think for the most part. I would definitely enjoy more evidence.
1 fahque650 2013-04-19
You mean to tell me that someone dropped their backpack and ran the other way after an explosion?!?!?
1 [deleted] 2013-04-19
no im saying he dropped it then exploded. there are pictures of that bombsite that match exactly where he is in that picture.
why didnt he turn himself in after his picture was released?
1 fahque650 2013-04-19
Would you turn yourself in if the FBI published pictures of you with the caption "Wanted. Armed and Dangerous"? You won't get a chance to open your mouth.
Also, how do you know his backpack caused the explosion? I'm really curious. Were you there?
1 [deleted] 2013-04-19
yes. i sure wouldnt try to run away. where the fuck are you gonna go.
bc the picture where the bag is and the picture of that bombsite matches. do you think they saw two brothers told them to go put their bags down in different spots and then shot a rocket at it or something?
so they only way anyone knows anything if they were there? eye witness accounts are actually not super reliable.
1 fahque650 2013-04-19
what if he was getting a water bottle out of his backpack on the ground prior to the bomb going off? i want to see video evidence of him leaving the backpack at the scene and then strolling off without it prior to the bomb exploding. the FBI claims to have this but the public hasn't seen any of it.
1 [deleted] 2013-04-19
fine i understand you want to see that. but what about the location of that picture and where the one blast came from.
doesnt mean anything right?
if you want to say that there is not enough evidence for these guys fine. but there is no evidence then the govt is involved either.
0 fahque650 2013-04-19
Only in covering up the evidence that they have.
1 [deleted] 2013-04-19
how old are you?
4 ListenHear 2013-04-19
Thats what I keep telling people. There is no "hard" evidence that these guys did it other than some grainy photos. It doesn't make sense that they would go do something as stupid as rob a 711. Im not saying it wasn't them, but the Boston PD and FBI are frantic trying to get the bombers and this fits well. Yes these guys are terrorists in their own right because of what they did......but that doesn't mean they are related to the bombing. I heard someone say "guilty until proven innocent"....is that what we do now?
2 hadees 2013-04-19
Why does everyone insist on trying to put this in terms of what a rational person would do? Someone who would commit a crime like this is by the very nature irrational.
Ironically you are buying into the government's system. They tell us criminals make cost benefit analysis before committing crimes and if we make the penalties bad enough it'll stop them. The truth is most criminals who commit crimes don't really think about the consequences or think some how they are magically not going to get caught.
1 ListenHear 2013-04-19
Im just trying to remain open minded here and not eat up everything CNN and Fox tell us. It does not add up that they would do that after bombing, "correct mindset" or not. Just asking questions and thinking out loud. I hope it is them and they do catch this guy alive and question him, but until all that is confirmed I'll be skeptical
1 [deleted] 2013-04-19
And regardless, a person is innocent until proven guilty, because it was one of the ideals that made American great...if you were white and had some money.
3 vacpop 2013-04-19
Something bigger is coming up I feel.
1 vaderx52 2013-04-19
Either they wanted to get caught, or they wanted to go down in a blaze and they saw the 7-11 as the end of the road, or there's more coming.
5 LordMorbis 2013-04-19
Even as a person who doesn't particularly feel that this is anything more than a couple of nutjobs who decided to blow shit up, I am confused by the whole 7/11 thing. I don't really understand why they would do that.
11 dsade 2013-04-19
If you add 2 you get 9/11
2 ogenrwot 2013-04-19
Because they got hungry. Seriously, that's it. They are dumb.
1 vaderx52 2013-04-19
Islamist terrorists are into numerology.
-2 vacpop 2013-04-19
Honestly, if we're talking false flag here then it doesn't really matter how these things end. Its real funny though that most of these things end with some extremely stupid move on the 'suspects' side as if someone who plans a bombing can't think more than a step ahead, or they plan up to the bombing and then just wing it afterwards.
1 ParanoidPotato 2013-04-19
I can't personally believe a "false flag" attack would have no planned finale. If there is enough work to go into designing and creating an attack- there is absolutely zero possibility that there was no thorough thought put into a conclusion.
It does matter how these things end if they are "false flag" because it is about more than the attack itself. Leaving huge loose ends with little regard is sloppy and if there was effort to design an attack like this- surely there was an end result created.
While I personally don't believe this to be any kind of "false flag"- I also don't think it makes sense to imagine that there is so much planning and conspiring to execute an attack against citizens and then zero forethought on what happens next. That seems like it is a grave underestimating of the government.
1 [deleted] 2013-04-19
from wht i can tell the 7/11 was before MIT but even if it was after it doesnt change much
they did not expect to Id'd so quickly so they decided to rob the 711 for cash and then go to MIT plant the bombs and then bail.
3 soulbruh 2013-04-19
if this is some govt conspiracy, don't you think the govt would be extremely efficient in covering their asses during these things? I mean the government is pretty fucking crafty, so you'd think they wouldn't keep on fucking up time and time again...
7 onlysaneman_ 2013-04-19
Conspirapun.
1 soulbruh 2013-04-19
Glad someone caught it ;)
1 PoopInMyHand 2013-04-19
This is why this is a textbook Conspiracy theory. This is why I come here. It is a perfect demonstration of the psychological underpinnings of how people believe in stuff like this. The government is all powerful, they have the ability to create these large false flag events that trick and manipulate the public to achieve their own dark means. The evidence for this? It's poorly pulled off. The very smart and organized government does they're acts in a poor manner. Now if these two had built a helicopter and flown out of the country, well, it's OBVIOUS only a big well organized government could pull that off. The way most people work is that they only take in info that reinforces they're predisposed beliefs. People who believe in conspiracies take in ALL information, and manipulate it to reinforce they're beliefs. Again, absolutely textbook.
2 [deleted] 2013-04-19
And if i heard correctly he was still wearing the same white hat. Puzzled i am
2 [deleted] 2013-04-19
http://imgur.com/KSCMKOY for your consideration
1 [deleted] 2013-04-19
This is the most bizarre story.
1 wittlewayne 2013-04-19
Im so glad I found this subreddit. This shit is unbelievable. And it can't believe that they are trying to fool us. This is the most blatant move i've ever seen of the gov fucking its own people.
2 [deleted] 2013-04-19
really? explain
1 [deleted] 2013-04-19
how hard is it to catch one guy who is what probably 25? Just seems ridiculous that swat, fbi and bpd cannot find one lone person.
1 tonehead 2013-04-19
Nobody has mentioned the fact that was reported that one of them was in 2nd year med school? Is this still a fact? Or another MSM diversion?
1 wildtalent 2013-04-19
Well you have to consider they were probably suspects long before we knew they were. That being the case they very likely had their assets frozen and couldn't buy whatever last min supplies they needed. It could also be that they simply didn't plan on going this long uncaught and going back to the frozen assets thing got desperate.
0 dmareddit 2013-04-19
What's funny is, no matter how much friends of the suspects come forward and say this isn't the person they know, the MSM is trying really hard to debunk those statements. It's sickening.
1 [deleted] 2013-04-19
i remember some guy beat his fucking wife to death with a hammer on their front lawn. all the neighbors and shit said he was so nice and how surprised they were.
just bc they blew that shit up does not mean they acted like nut jobs day to day.
0 [deleted] 2013-04-19
Why is it so hard to believe!?
They may of needed money or supplies, thy bombed innocent people! Somethig tells me robing a 711 isn't that big a deal to them.. They could do it and be quick, it's not crazy
-2 notmymoney 2013-04-19
I'm buying it 1 + 1 = 3 I have a family they need to eat....
-7 thatsboxy 2013-04-19
They just said "suspect 2 with the white hat is a Caucasian male with dark hair." Um... Caucasian? Sunil? If they confirmed it was the missing guy he does not appear Caucasian.
5 bakedCake 2013-04-19
Name: Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev
0 LDukes 2013-04-19
Foreign name? Must be dark skinned. /s
-2 thatsboxy 2013-04-19
At the time of this post a lot of media was reporting it was the missing student. I didn't report that. So, not my bad. Down vote the news media for reporting bullshit.
6 ashamandre 2013-04-19
"greater good" is a slogan the powerful use to justify preying on the weak
2 4PM 2013-04-19
You can apply the same ideology if you imagine that the kid that got killed was going to grow up to be Hitler.
4 Jitzs 2013-04-19
Holy shit. This guy seriously just justified killing "a few" kids for "The greater good" of killing "a couple" of "bad guys." Who are bad guys? Whoever the government tells you they are huh? If there was a worst of reddit section I would nominate this scum bag.
-2 [deleted] 2013-04-19
scumbag, mental evaluation its a bit rough based on a theoretical conversation. How can humanity ever progress if it isnt willing to discuss the hard issues no one wants to discuss if fear of being ridiculed
1 [deleted] 2013-04-19
-10 im glad you people are not running the country we would be siting on our hands. Decisions like that are made all the time in war. All through Iraq Afghanistan people have to make the hard decisions that no one wants to make to protect our freedom to try to squash terrorism and yes $$