It was 3 murders and over a hundred terrible injuries. People losing arms legs faces who will never live a normal life again. At the City of Boston's most well-known and important annual event. All these people were targeted for no discernible reason. It's scary to me that people think this was overkill. They needed to catch these guys.

Plus there were multiple other IED's found. I'm all for conspiracy theories, but rational thought seems to win out here.

source? Last i checked there weren't other IED's found, but rather the suspicious packages they found were destroyed as a precaution.

Read the timeline. They were planting more bombs on a campus...

What timeline is this? This is the first I have heard of more bombs on campus

It is in the live update timeline (i think #2 of 9 that were made). An officer spotted them planting suspicious packages at Cambridge.

Four if you include the police officer who apparently was sitting in his squad car when he was killed.

The cops had no way of knowing if the suspects would attempt another bombing. In fact, it seems like that's what they were trying to do at MIT.

Right, it's more about the mode of destruction than anything. Of course, I am still highly skeptical about the whole event, but just because the bombs only killed 2 people doesn't mean there's not valid reason to capture "whoever" the suspects are ASAP because it would be a matter of time before they injured many more. There still should be a trial and I'm still bewildered that there's only 2 suspects and that we've honed in on them like we have with ruthlessness. People cheering in the streets before they've had their day in court. Maybe we ha the wrong guys? Maybe there's way more to all of this then we know? All the more reason for a trial, for the sake of our rights as citizens. We are presumed innocent until proven guilty.

So your argument as I see it is that you're afraid this might happen to you or people you love, so this is all justified...?

I agree with you, and yet I disagree.

"So your argument as I see it is that you're afraid this might happen to you or people you love, so this is all justified...?"

Quick answer Yes. Also deny it all you want the lock down did allow the police to find him quicker. Based on the smokers tip.

"I agree with you, and yet I disagree." ... Wut?

Thugs in Detroit and Chicago killing each other =/= two guys blowing innocent peoples' bodies apart.

So, overkill is finding who did this and getting them? Because that's what the police did, and you would have to be pretty fucked in the head to think they didn't do the right thing in this situation

Suspect =/= perpetrator

would you get in a shootout with police if they were looking for you, and you were innocent?

That 17 year old kid, whom reddit and 4chan blamed, turned himself in to the police and he's all taken care of now. If these two hadn't done it it would be as easy as that.

"Without a gun and a badge, what do you got. A sucka in a uniform waitin' to get shot by me." -Eazy E

A quote from a rap song totally qualifies as a valid source.

I just find it strange that the military in Boston would find it necessary to shut down the city and have hundreds of military and armored vehicles in the streets, going door to door saying that citizens cannot leave their houses, so that they can find the suspect of a crime. It is not like the guy got arrested, found guilty of the bombing, then escaped and was on the run. Then I can see them taking some more measures to find the guy. But to have this martial law declared to locate a suspect? Give me a break. Also, as far as getting into a shootout with police. I don't see any evidence of who fired first. If the military are firing guns at you, and you have a gun handy, would you sit in the fetal position until they kill you, or will you fire back and try to take some of them out? I guess it depends on each person.

I live in Boston, and this was not martial law. We went out and got beer. Dunkin' Donuts was open. There weren't many people on the streets, but there were some.

It was a strong suggestion to stay indoors.

Why on earth would they request that people stay indoors?

1. Because there was evidence that the guy was extremely dangerous, possessed high powered weapons and explosives, and there were fears that there may be other IEDs planted. Given the danger (and the really small size of Boston), it was probably a damn good idea to stay off the streets.
2. Because they had lost the trail of the suspect. It's a lot harder to find the suspect if the streets are full of people.

On another note, you seemed to emphasize that he was a SUSPECT. Why would he go on a huge manhunt with high powered weapons and explosives if he was actually only a suspect? Why not try to automatically clear his name? This guy was still posting on Twitter. He certainly could have tried to make the case that he was innocent, starting there.

I did not see high powered explosives or weapons, aside from what the military was parading through the streets. And what was the evidence that he was extremely dangerous? Allegations that he had involvement with the bombing at the marathon?

I was going to go with the shoot out and the dead cop on MIT's campus.

Oh, and the numerous reports across all the news stations (both local and national) of the explosives during the manhunt. But I suppose all of the news stations were wrong or part of some grand conspiracy.

Doesn't change the reality that "strongly suggesting you stay inside" is not the same thing as martial law.

What does "strongly suggest you stay inside" even mean? You could just go outside and walk down the street unharassed by the military?

Yes. And many people did this. There were even some businesses open.

It's a little foolish for non-Boston redditors to claim that it was martial law, when they were not there to experience it.

http://imgur.com/VNZBhSI

What is that? Maybe I do not know what you consider to be "martial law," but by my understanding, the term "martial law" refers to a situation where the military is deployed to control a situation or to control an area and maintain order. If armed military with M4s and full battle garb alongside armored vehicles is not a deployment of military to control an area, I don't know what is... You don't have to be in Boston to be able to look at a picture and tell if that is military.

You think innocent people don't die in Chicago and Detroit? You're very misguided. If I shot 143 people with a gun it would be different than blowing 143 people up with a bomb? No. You don't even know that these were the bombers and yet you scream "KILL!" No evidence has been brought up to suggest otherwise. Just the FBI telling you that they did it.

No shit innocent people die in Chicago and Detroit. Someone getting shot in a robbery is one thing, but if someone shot 100 innocent people with a gun in Chicago, you can bet your ass they would shut the city down to find the guy.

If I shot 143 people with a gun it would be different than blowing 143 people up with a bomb? No

What point are you even trying to make? If these men shot all those people instead of blowing them up, there would still be a manhunt for them

No evidence has been brought up to suggest otherwise. Just the FBI telling you that they did it.

If the FBI was looking for me, you can rest assured that I wouldn't engage in a shootout with them.

If you shot 143 people with a gun I guarantee you the FBI would be involved and many place would be shut down during the man hunt.

Also, no one above you said anything about killing the suspect.

Yeah... you know, like all the other mass shootings that have happened recently? Oh, no. Sorry, I forgot, those were all government created false flags too, so they don't count.

Lol, k.

Again ~200, IED > ~20, gun.

I wonder what the average IQ of conspiracy nutters actually is.

Honestly, I fully believe the government is up to some pretty horrible crap. I just also fully believe they are WAY better at hiding/covering up/keeping what they're really up to under wraps so that a bunch of people on the internet with way too much free time can "figure them out". I don't understand how people can be so "OMG THE GOVERNMENT IS BEHIND IT ALL AND IS TRYING TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THEY'RE NOT" but don't think they would have any issue with shutting up anyone who tries to call them out on it, nice and quiet like.

I... was being sarcastic.

Jesus Christ, are you really this stupid.

!43 people being shot at once or being blown up would still result in a manhunt of the same scale. Shutting down the city for one person being shot would be stupid of course but for some guys who have explosives and are willing to detonate them in public places it is not.

And you know what they dont need allot of evidence right now as the guys shot back for christs sake. They used explosives. The ploice didnt execture two young guys in a private place they had a fucking shoot out in public.

You are trying to make a conspiracy out of something and it just dosent make sense. If the goverment wanted to enforce gun laws why not get a guy to start shooting an assault rifle at the marathon, the death count would have been higher.

If they wanted to just cause terror amongst the citizen ship then why bother catching anyone, people who drop bombs and dont get caught are much more scary.

THINK BEFORE YOU ACT

I don't know you personally but, I'm willing to guarantee if YOUR city was surprise attacked (you don't live in Boston obviously) you would think differently.

They also kidnapped a man, killed an officer, attempted to blow up another few officers, and stole the kidnapped Nan's SUV. That's not overkill for all the stuff they did. That's being cautious.

None of those are sufficient reason for me to deprived of my God given rights

they are not rights if they can be taken away, they are privileges

The 4th amendment is not a privilege, it's a right.

You could have walke your happy ass out of your house and started chasing the crazy bastard yourself. The duty of the police department is to protect the LIFE and property of those go cannot protect it themselves. That's what they were doing. If some crazy dude was running around my neighborhood throwing IEDs and stealing cars I would probably stay the hell inside anyway.

It's not about staying inside it's about not having the police/military force their way into your home.

Where is the proof? Pictures?

proof is in the police reports, eyewitnesses, police radio, etc.

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Listening to the police scanner all night long. Doing my own research in real time.

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Are you oblivious to what happens around the country? Where is he getting these bombs? I want you to know that a pressure cooker bomb most likely weighs upwards of 25 lbs. Is he just hanging them off his belt? He prepared and stored them around the city? Yea fucking right. If they have a perimeter set up around him fucking assault through and get the fucking job done. Quit fucking lolly gagging around and fucking with ordinary citizens going about their lives. Helicopters, MRAPS, 9000 police officers. Think about that really good and hard for me.

Most of the FBI's Counter Terrorist Team is ex SOF. Trust me they have dealt with a few fucking gunmen in their time. Get the innnocent bystanders out of the suspected area of the gunman and assault through fallujah style and clear the fucking objective. This is disgusting.

the issue was they didn't know where he was hiding, the majority of the officers were here to search for him. Once they did find him, they wanted him alive, hence the stand off.

If you did what they did in Grand Theft Auto, you'd get the same response. #5stars

1) There was actually 4 lives lost 2) There was nearly 200 injuries, dozens of which were quite critical and only survived because of the quick medical response. So, yah, it sucks that our city was taken over by police in fatigues tonight but these guys continued throwing bombs and shooting in residential neighborhoods.

All things aside, it's extremely silly to think that they wouldn't make a big deal over the most wanted men since 9/11. Overkill? So you think they should just let local P.D Handle this one? No big deal right, it's not like these guys would hurt anybody right.

Sure you can argue that maybe it's all a setup, but lets go on what we know for now.

From the looks of the armor and weaponry that Boston PD has, I'm sure they would have no problem catching ONE GUY. Add the FBI in there now and you have a better equipped army than most countries.

I don't think so at all. Boston is a very urban area, shutting down public transportation was the obvious action that was taken, and actually shutting down the city was a rational way of approaching things if you ask me. You can label it as overkill if you think its so easy to combat someone who could potentially blow you the fuck up, and your colleagues, and already shot at several other people.

When I think about it quickly, I would like to think its so easy to track down one person. But when I think it through and consider all the factors and the size of the area, I personally realize its not so simple. Technology certainly helps but its not an end-all be-all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostage_Rescue_Team

I HAVE combated someone that has shot and killed someone AND blown someone up. I know how these fucking FBI HRT teams work. They are as trained as SF and Rangers. Why? Because most of them are ex-SOF themselves. They fucking sat in a backyard and threw flashbangs at a boat for an hour? Do you even know what a flashbang does to a human being? Or just what you have seen in COD? Oh and throwing bombs huh? Let me tell you a little something about MRAP's. There were multiple on the scene. Do you know what MRAP stands for? Mine Resistant Anti Personnel vehicle. Don't even get me started on the helicopters. How many times have you been watching Worlds Wildest Police Chases and the fucking car gets away? Ill answer for you. NONE. Sorry for the rant and rave man but people need to think!

I don't play COD. I also don't have knowledge of weapons and all that stuff, it's not really my field of interest. Everything you say makes sense, though.

Did they find a weapon on him once he was detained?

I'm not sure if they found one on his body, but it could have been assumed that since the brothers shot and killed an MIT officer that Djohar (or however it's spelled) was carrying a weapon on him at the time. I imagine it would have been more simple if it was a certainty that he was unarmed, wasn't wearing a suicide vest, or any other kind of vest, and also wasn't carrying other weapons with him. Could something like that have been known to begin with? I'm not so sure. Of course, if this was all staged, that makes all those points moot, but that's an intellectual leap I'm not going to take until I understand this more.

murderer < terrorist with bombs

ALSO: not conspiracy

same thing moron.

politically motivated bombs pose a greater threat to a city than some thug with a pistol

I think it's pretty clear that you're the moron, OP.

OP, Your point is silly. This isn't just a couple of murders. It's a planned bombing of a big event, it's terrorism. This isn't terribly common in America. Also, he was heavily armed in a RESIDENTIAL area. He could of killed even more easily, since he knew he would get caught soon.

I think it's more about how the FBI has been watching him and there's signs that point to prior knowledge that the bombing was going to happen. And also how he got away so easily.

Did police react correctly in regards to the severity of the situation? Yes. But did they let this happen, to practice their martial law drills and push political agendas? Very, very possible.

hundreds of people were injured or mamed and we know they killed civilians snd they have multilple bombs and rifles...

What ever came of the third explosion in the JFK library? I can't find anything on that.

I believe it was an electrical fire not an explosion and wasn't connected, just an accident.

There is so much information that has been forgotten about during this week in the chaos.

i cant follow very well and i am around these sights a lot.

This is why everyone in society should be a peace officer forget about paid police forces!

In my opinion I think its lucky that more people didn't get hurt.

Yeah Chicago has a lot of violence, i'm from there, but a lot of it is in poor gangland areas anyway, not nice parts of the city.

Gunshots are different than explosions.

someone wasn't old enough for O.J Simpson who sold more pizzas for 2 murders and he broke records on and off the field on top of it.

Bombs are a lot different than shootings over turf.

As someone from Chicago: you don't really know what you're talking about. Comparing gang violence and a random act of terrorism is different. Gang members are arrested daily.

white people, yo

BUT BUT BUT CROCKPOT BOMBS, 8-YEAR OLD, PATSY'S, CISPA, WACO EXPLOSION, AMERICA IS FALLING APART...

Hahaha. I think people forget that America has gone through the Great Depression and two world wars. Talk about falling apart.

DONT FORGET CHECHNYAN MUSLIMS!

THAT MEANS COMMUNISM AND MUSLIMISM!

Adapt...

Yes it's all staged....right?....

These bombs were called weapons of mass destruction and the use of them requires harsh penalties and add since it was used to hurt people the death penalty will be the punishment. That is a lot worse than the murders in Chicago where the penalties aren't nearly and harsh and WMDs aren't used.

Really?! WMDs? Do you have any idea what you are talking about? These are rudimentary pressure cookers filled with gunpowder or ammonium nitrate. Please explain to me how you think that has anything to do with any type of NBC weapon system?

After reading articles i found out these homemade bombs were classified as WMDs because the definition I found was a weapon intended to kill or wound multiple people. I did check my facts so unless the 3 news channels were all wrong, I am not the one who is wrong.

They are absolutely not WMD's.

Well then I guess the news was wrong saying he could be charged with use of a WMD

The news has been wrong for a loooong time. Just lookin out for ya.

same thing i wa thinking

TRUEEEE DAT

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Excuse my ignorance. But, what is this? "These are the kids killed by ATF on April 19th"?

I would guess the branch dividian massacre at Waco

Looks accurate. Thanks!

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Yeah, those insane rambling youtube videos you fall asleep to every night sure predict the collapse of the economy and god knows what else you said. Do you know how rich you'd be if you could actually predict things like that? Get a grip.

Well I hope you're wrong but I fear you are right.

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I agree that the evidence is piling up, but comparing these two to just your average murder in Chicago is a little silly.

Just two suspects? This isn't two dudes who robbed a gas station and shot the cashier. These are guys who planted a bomb in a crowd, which blew up and left arms, legs, pools of blood and a hundred people screaming in agony. How the hell are you supposed to handle people running around a city planting bombs?

A bomb doesnt discriminate on how many people put it there, it fucking blows up. It doesnt matter if it was 2 men, 200 men, or a 10 year old girl who put it there. It does damage. It blew peoples limbs off. It's fucked up, so they shut the city down, and got the guys. Ask anyone from boston if they think the police went overkill.

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You don't even make sense. Your comment has nothing to do with what I said.

i commented the wrong thing...

No worries

Agreed. Law enforcement all over the US have been investing heavily in military-grade and crowd-control equipment. They've also been training in tactics for handling these types of situations for at least a decade. I know and love people in law enforcement...I respect them and I admire them. I also believe they enjoy the militarization of their duties, which is understandable for many reasons.

What I distrust is the "playbook" that I see unfolding over the last several years....a playbook of tactics that can be used on an alleged couple of lone nutjobs - or on an entire section of a US suburb.

The equipment being used and the 'military lock-down' of a US city by it's own law enforcement is IN NO WAY justified. And Bostonians, no matter how outraged, should by no means be excused if they are accepting what is happening there.

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Lol. K.

Oh god, you're such an idiot...

Now that is scary to think about.

White folks got killed so they trippin'

Where is the proof? Pictures?

Are you oblivious to what happens around the country? Where is he getting these bombs? I want you to know that a pressure cooker bomb most likely weighs upwards of 25 lbs. Is he just hanging them off his belt? He prepared and stored them around the city? Yea fucking right. If they have a perimeter set up around him fucking assault through and get the fucking job done. Quit fucking lolly gagging around and fucking with ordinary citizens going about their lives. Helicopters, MRAPS, 9000 police officers. Think about that really good and hard for me.

You don't even make sense. Your comment has nothing to do with what I said.

None of those are sufficient reason for me to deprived of my God given rights

It is in the live update timeline (i think #2 of 9 that were made). An officer spotted them planting suspicious packages at Cambridge.