Condemning Evidence

93  2013-04-20 by [deleted]

The fact that this forum is subject to censorship is proof that forces controlling the media and information are muzzling r/conspiracy.

Posts are frequently deleted, posters are frequently banned and the remaining content doesn't even resemble the kind of discussion I would expect from a community with a suposed interest in conspiracies.

I've been checking r/conspiracy constantly since the first word of the Boston bombings, and the hand of censorship and discussion control is blatantly obvious in this forum.

Discussion over points which aren't already considered by the mainstream media are conspicuously absent from the top posts and comments.

THIS SUBREDDIT IS SUBJECT TO ACUTE CENSORSHIP. Literally, the same powers you are trying to bring to light are exercising part of their power to selectively delete content from your discussions.

Please don't let this post get deleted or inexplicably is downvoted. The lack of awareness about the censorship in this subreddit makes it the community look very stupid to those who don't read very deep into the content.

EDIT: You can also just look around to see how many other posts there are like this one, but NONE make it to the front page. It's almost like they won't let fly-by visiters to r/conspiracy know how censored it is by keeping discussion of censorship off the front page.

EDIT AGAIN: Grammar... And remember, the legitimacy of prevailing lies over truth depends on the marginalization of the skeptics. Especially in the last few days, forces have distorted the face of this forum to make us seem much less reasonable than we really are.

EDIT-O-MATIC: /u/In-yo-diddly-hole appears to be a user who exists only to throw people off of the scent of the truth. /u/dasstrooper mentioned /r/uncensorship which catalogues deleted posts from /r/conspiracy /r/darknetplan /r/france and /r/politics. Still, coordinated downvoting and other means of controlling discussion are not so easily accounted for. I am also not sure that /r/uncensorship comprehensively lists posts deleted by moderators.

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This post found right off of the fron page is clearly the victim of censorship

AND CAN SOMEONE MENTION HOW GOLD WENT DOWN 25% RIGHT BEFORE THE ATTACKS?

Isn't the influence of central banks, who manipulate metal markets and have the ability to fabricate money a central motif across conspiracy theories?

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Reading this was the first time I have worried. A lot of this is playing out right now.

Large scale economic plots are clearly real--international bankers have ambitions and make plans which affect the daily lives of huge populations. It is obvious that international economic forces affect the lives of all Americans tremendously, but Americans are not allowed any influence in international economic matters since such things are outside of the range of mainstream discussion.

The fact that economies get squeezed dry as the result of immoral banking isn't so much a conspiracy as it is the truth of post-industrial capitalism.

It's funny that people always talk about guns when preaching revolution. If people could just coordinate to stop paying income tax simultaneously, the government would do ANYTHING to get people paying taxes again. This is seemingly impossible though with our current media and communications controls.

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the stock market was also down 200 before the attack which was very strange considering almost every day this year has been more and more record highs and gains every day.

erm....the post you link to contains "facts" that are blatantly false. specifically the craft operative running from the scene. the pics are taken completely out of context and if you have spent any time looking at the pics on this forum you would know that.

this board has got an influx of people that are a bit more level headed and honest than the kind of people who are using your link as "evidence".

this forum just isnt a like minded circle jerk at the moment and its somewhat of a "culture" shock for you.

Even if the Craft International pics have been taken out of context to frame the guys as suspects, are they really totally invalid? Those pictures aroused my suspicion, and the original poster may have arranged the pics to paint the guys as guilty, but that doesn't really matter unless the images were hardcore photoshopped. The guy running is the weakest piece of evidence in the bunch, but it doesn't make the whole thing bogus.

I feel like the 'black powder' prediction is being promoted as "the top crazy 4chan conspiracy theory," while this one is being marginalized without getting due consideration.

And perhaps you are correct about the recent influx of people who won't take part in conspiracy circle-jerks, but I cannot believe that they would drown out all discussion which goes beyond the limits of acceptable suspicions set by the mainstream media.

right next to the bomb seemed to be their position. how long were they there? when did they move?

anyway, i do think they are a bit of a non-issue compared to a few other things.

the strangest thing for me is why it took them 4 days to identify the brothers. one of which had been named by foreign intelligence and investigated for years....known to have visited mid east/asian countries and followed extremist people/websites etc then....would he really have pursued this knowing he was being monitored? its alleged the training would have occurred during the 6 month trip to russia. isnt that a bit risky for the "trainers" knowing the fbi are keeping tabs on him?

the fbi arent being honest/open about the brothers, but i have no clue what the truth is.

I believe that your interest in /r/conspiracy is protecting the truth.

errr so to protect the truth i say i think the fbi arent being honest and explain why i think that?...ok

You are just playing dumb, and trying to make me look foolish too. I don't want to play with you.

"Who is the bigger fool? The fool who leads or the fool that follows?" -Obi Wan

At least 13 relatives of Osama bin Laden, accompanied by bodyguards and associates, left the United States on a chartered flight with Ryan International Airlines (Ryan International Flight 441) [20] eight days after the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, according to a passenger manifest released on July 21, 2004.[21] The passenger list was made public by Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ), who obtained the manifest from officials at Boston's Logan International Airport. None of the flights, domestic or international, took place before the reopening of national airspace on the morning of Sept. 13 and the 9/11 Commission found "no evidence of a political intervention".[22]

9/11 truth will finally get it's day where it will enter mainstream discussion. If you google 'September Morn,' you can see that 9/11 truth will be the focus of a serious feature film in 2015 which will have real star actors who passionately want answers. Around the time of that film's release, they won't be able to marginalize the subject.

i stumbled onto some interesting facts involving companies in Massachusetts whos stock holders include members of the bin laden family aswell as financial groups being probed for funding terror....2 brothers did not pull this off alone

No matter what, uncovering the truth is impossible of the authorities take the stance of "Case Closed," and the public accepts this.

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Agreed.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me :D

8 days after boston suadi national is being voluntarily deported...do the math please

Do you have proof of that?

He was the individual detained in the hospital with "shrapnel" wounds. Napolitano was questioned about him.

Do you have proof that he is being deported. There's no one saying that.

What are some specific examples, please? I'm not dissagreeing, I'm trying to help make your case...

The deleted posts don't even leave a [deleted] space.

You can only know about them because you either saw them yourself prior to deletion, or you see other comments referencing them.

Let me go look now to see if I can find an actual link to some evidence.

EDIT. I won't bother literally looking for evidence, since that evidence can be just as easily deleted, or down-voted, or edited. But just look at the front page.

Shouldn't someone be presenting logic that hasn't already been broadcast by major new outlets?

Can conspiracy theorists really only muster up the point that the father and aunt of the victims say they were innocent?

How about the fact that they were caught in the most predictable and impossible way according to the official story? They were caught not because of an investigation, but because they were trying to plant more bombs a few days later and happened to be caught red-handed this time? One of the suspects is then murdered and the other is a Russian speaking Muslim?

The front page has clearly been run through a sort of 'mainstream media' filter if one of the top stories is that the suspect's Father thinks they were innocent... This forum is supposedly a discussion place for conspiracy theorists, not a compilation of crazy conspiracy theorist arguing points as presented in mainstream media outlets.

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Why do you think that almost all of the recent censorship found on /r/uncensorship is from /r/conspiracy

EDIT: Because not all subreddits participate in /r/uncensorship

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You know reddit better than I do.

I think the Boston globe tweet alone is damning because of the time. 353, and the bombings occurred at 410.

and the bombings occurred at 410.

You mean 2:49 pm est?

maybe im confused, but hasnt it been explained how the time was shown incorrectly?

just say you are right.... so at the moment we have obama, the US government, the entire boston pd and the boston globe all murdering civilians and covering it up so they can make you have a few less bullets?

Exactly...doesn't make any sense. But, if you're constantly looking for things that don't "fit right" you will always find them.

If it is actually damning evidence, then let's wait and see if the community acts towards it as one might expect.

I believe I see the hand of censorship.

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Repeatedly disproven evidence obviously doesn't belong so close to the top of the discussion.

Bogus claims on the front page only support the idea that crazy sounding people are having their voices amplified to help discredit this forum.

I've also noticed that a lot of posts/comments are getting really downvoted here even if they ACTUALLY fit everything for proper conspiracy, like it's really hard to challenge them so people just downvote because they can't properly challenge it? :D

Why were all the photos of Cratf International at the marathon removed?

Those guys seemed to be /r/conspiracy's primary terrorism suspects, yet without counter-evidence, they are no longer near the focus of discussion.

They leave no trace, but their censorship leaves a trail. Good leads don't disappear without being refuted at all. The dialogue was de-railed from questioning that organization's role, despite photographic evidence that they were coordinated around the explosion site.

Ultimately, this is a public forum, so it is expected that attempts are made to control the discussions.

I'm here downvoting a lot of stuff I see in this sub not because I'm a shill but because there is a LOT of loose brained nonsense being spouted, not least this post and others like it. The arrogance of thinking that the gub'ment/Reddit mods & admins are censoring the fallacy ridden speculation in this tiny tiny corner of the Internet is laughable. I came to this sub to see if anything worth reading was going on, as I suspect a few other redditors have. Finding essentially nothing but paranoia and this sense of "I'm not like the other sheeple" I've been downvoting pretty much everything here. Ill accept my downvotes in kind from all of you now.

A lot of the speculation is wild and untrue, and please downvote what you think is stupid.

I was specifically prompted to write this post by a very specific post which I saw, and was subsequently deleted by a moderator.

If hard censorship is occurring here, then there is little hope of actually piecing together meaningful truths which aren't entertained in the mainstream media.

Everybody who reads or contributes to this forum should realize this. This forum is subject to censorship, and is thus very limited in its ability to expose the conspiring elements who expend resources to keep themselves hidden.

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I did not know r/uncensorship existed. The overwhelming majority of recent censored posts are from r/conspiracy.

I couldn't find the specific post that got me started with this, but it involved accusations of corruption among the corporate owners of reddit. It was mostly critical of Reddit, rather than being critical of the usual conspiracy theory subjects...

You gullible fuck. Oh and i didnt downvote you, just want you to wake up. You dont believe it cause it hasnt happened to you.

Guys, you are truly delusional if you think the MSM or government cares about what you think or if you truely think someone is paying people to troll the Internet refuting conspiracy theories.

You sir, simply put, are fucking naive, possibly retarded.

Haha..maybe, but at least I don't have some distorted fantasy world view where I think CNN is paying people to browse /r/conspiracy to dispute conspiracy theories and ask for the removal of objectionable materials. The mods may have several reasons for removing stuff, but I guarantee one isn't because MSNBC called them up and asked them to remove something.

instead of titling it "condemning evidence" i would've chosen "a little whine to go with my cheese"

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Downvoting your comment to hide it since you are distracting everyone with your hateful nonsense.

Those guys seemed to be /r/conspiracy's primary terrorism suspects, yet without counter-evidence, they are no longer near the focus of discussion.

They leave no trace, but their censorship leaves a trail. Good leads don't disappear without being refuted at all. The dialogue was de-railed from questioning that organization's role, despite photographic evidence that they were coordinated around the explosion site.

Ultimately, this is a public forum, so it is expected that attempts are made to control the discussions.