It's simply the course of history. False flags.
64 2013-04-23 by [deleted]
Historically speaking, we are all well aware that conspiracy theories of their day, 9 times out of 10 become facts/lessons to be taught to the next generation. That's the malevolent duality of the democracies that have been established in the modern era. There is an illusion of freedom, which is much more powerful to those on top than an actual whim of freedom.
When fiscal assets (ALWAYS the reason) need to be protected, stolen, destroyed, etc. there is a surefire way of obtaining the public's support in order to act on these wants. If there is no covert way to obtain what the government is looking for (seen in the establishment of CIA, MI6, etc) they will need public support to successfully accomplish their goals.
The Alamo: US built an illegal base, in foreign territory, was inevitably attacked, used the story to perpetuate the belief that the Spanish are evil, and used the story to eliminate them from Texas and gained the wealth of that land.
The USS Maine: sinking in 1898 was told to the public that it was a Spanish sea mine, to this day the true cause is still not understood but we do know it was an internal explosion (so no Sea mine) in the munitions bay.
Gulf of Tonkin: captain told Washington he was shot at, never happened, LBJ committed hundreds of thousands of troops and military tech to Vietnam
Now we get to the present..
9/11: still a touchy subject in the hearts of many, this is a perfect example of what it would have been like back in 1898 (or any of the past examples for that matter) if you were to have claimed the sinking of the USS Maine was a conspiracy. People would have disdain towards you in the same exact manner that people do now if you claim 9/11 was a conspiracy. There will be a day when this is accepted as a False Flag to place a massive military presence in the middle east to protect oil reserves and build a pipeline through Afghanistan.
--- That is the whole construct of false flags; the media puts the story out, controlled by the companies that own them and are gaining from both the coverage and the event, then people accept it because we all believe and are told to believe since kindergarten that we live in a free country, of honest and true patriots, and that our enemies are attacking us. Who would think the greatest government on Earth would attack its own people? Then those conspirators are deemed as lunatics, the pain and suffering being the buffer that the media uses to quiet the conspirators beliefs. (Explained: If you are a conspirator, regardless of how much evidence you actually have obtained, the media and public silences you and condemns you for speaking out because it will "harm the families and people" already affected by the tragedy, a flawless plan to keep doubts in the "crazy and heartless" category.
This will happen again. This will always happen as long as mercantile democracies exist.
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30 b8b 2013-04-23
Just FYI the Alamo was built by Catholic Spanish missionaries in the 1700s. Your statement that "US built an illegal base, in foreign territory, was inevitably attacked, used the story to perpetuate the belief that the Spanish are evil" shows how little you understand Texas history. For example, the Texas revolution wasn't against the Spanish. Mexico had already fought and won their independence from Spain. You have no understanding of the history you are pretending to be an expert on.
2 DisplacedTitan 2013-04-23
Shhhh dont tell him facts... he doesnt like facts, he likes uninformed conjecture.
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1 shinbreaker 2013-04-23
No shit about you not being an expert.
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11 b8b 2013-04-23
The US government or military did not "take" the Alamo. You make it sound like the US conducted a military invasion of Mexico, took the Alamo and then stole Texas.
Your post is the worst bastardization of Texas history I've ever seen. It bears practically no resemblance to the truth.
The US didn't build the Alamo. They did not capture or occupy the Alamo. The Alamo was built by Spanish missionaries. The battle there was part of the Texas revolution against the Mexican government by the people who lived in Texas. Most of the revolutionaries were American settlers in Texas. Some were European. Some were Mexican.
The battle of the Alamo was fought by 100 defenders. From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Alamo
The reason the Alamo became such a rallying cry is because the Mexican commander did not just attack and take over the Alamo but he also killed every person in it. No prisoners were taken. This was seen as unnecessarily cruel.
As for the reason for the revolution that same page says :
After the Texans won the revolution Texas became an independent country. It was not until years later that it became part of the US.
So to sum up the US government did not build a base on foreign lands that was "inevitably attacked", and the story of the Alamo was not a US government propaganda method to create hatred for the Spanish. Basically nothing in your post about the Alamo is true. For a subreddit that is supposedly about exposing "the truth" there's a lot of crap that gets upvoted.
0 Wilwheatonfan87 2013-04-23
They didn't kill civilian non-combatants and slaves, however.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Texan_survivors_of_the_Battle_of_the_Alamo#List_of_survivors
-2 dsprox 2013-04-23
Being that this is /r/conspiracy I have to theorize, there may still be one regarding the Alamo and all that entails.
Perhaps President Antonio López de Santa Anna was "influenced" into making this anti-federalist policy change in order to set this whole thing into motion.
A devious way into securing the land for America.
Let it start of as an independent country, and then unionize the fuck out of it like every other territory they've ever got their greedy hands on.
This is all just theorizing based off of zero evidence though so nobody take any of this seriously, it's just a could be possibility with zero proof.
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9 Stevo182 2013-04-23
Don't forget project MK Ultra, the Tuskegee experiments, and Operation Northwoods( my personal favorite ). Oh, and don't forget that MLK's family won a lawsuit against the U.S. government over his assassination( I'm a little fuzzy on the details though ).
Edit: Oh, and Iran Contra.
9 uppaday 2013-04-23
Re MLK: "In 1998, the King family filed a wrongful death lawsuit against Jowers and "other unknown co-conspirators" for the murder of King. A Memphis jury found Jowers responsible on December 8, 1999, and that the assassination plot contained also "governmental agencies"...
...At a 1999 press conference following the verdict, Coretta Scott King stated that, "there is abundant evidence of a major high level conspiracy in the assassination of my husband, Martin Luther King, Jr... the conspiracy of the Mafia, local, state and federal government agencies, were deeply involved in the assassination of my husband". The jury also affirmed overwhelming evidence that identified someone else, not James Earl Ray, as the shooter, and that Mr. Ray was set up to take the blame..."
0 Stevo182 2013-04-23
Thank you, that's what I was looking for.
1 Scruffy_the_Janitor2 2013-04-23
Operation Northwood was a plan that got rejected
0 bingbong77 2013-04-23
Exactly. When you look behind the curtain, there is no difference between the Civil War, Kent State, and 9/11.
Too bad they didn't have youtube during the Civil War. I bet that would have taken "Honest Abe" down a few pegs.
14 kahirsch 2013-04-23
No, 999 times out of 1000, conspiracy theories are wrong. Get serious.
6 Wilwheatonfan87 2013-04-23
None of those three events are considered the definition of "false flag". Plus you even got your history wrong of The Alamo.
See here: http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1cxu1v/its_simply_the_course_of_history_false_flags/c9l2sn7
3 Thevents 2013-04-23
America has been overthrowing legitimate democracies using covert operations and terrorism for over a century (think Guatemala, Iran). Now it is just happening to America itself. There is nothing remarkable or astonishing about the hypothesis to anyone even remotely familiar with historical facts.
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1 Thevents 2013-04-23
What're you talking about dude? My post is discussion - its not even disagreeing with yours.
3 OrangeBananaFish 2013-04-23
The only thing is, the USS Maine, in my opinion, was such a big deal because of yellow journalism. Definitely bullshit though
3 shinbreaker 2013-04-23
As a San Antonio resident who has grown up with the Alamo only a mile away, I would kindly say "go fuck yourself" for calling it a "false flag."
2 TastyBathwater 2013-04-23
Gotta love the mob mentality
1 jackhalfaprayer 2013-04-23
I think you're attacking the symptom and ignoring the disease. It's far more difficult to attack the root cause. Blaming the government for these woes and pointing fingers at false flag operations, real or hypothetical, is not a winner script. It's blaming higher powers from a low vantage and begging to overthrow them. This is folly because it leads to the same thing, it's step one of the same cycle. The root cause that allows people to think they are above the law isn't government, it's power. And right now, power goes to those with money. It seems to me that one either has to fundamentally debase the notion that any one man can have power over another (unlikely, as government is a necessary evil in some sense) or one must find an alternative to money. Because right now, money runs government, and money decides what the laws will be. If you want sea change, you're going to have to redefine the economy, and make it so that the people with power aren't the ones who are rewarded for malignant, cutthroat, greedy behavior.
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0 jackhalfaprayer 2013-04-23
Understood. And yes, that's a good call out. Law shouldn't be power, law should be judicial extension of ethics. In practice. Unfortunately this becomes something else. Personally I don't distrust the government as a rule or as some choice. I think mostly government works, especially when it's just regular people doing their jobs.
0 yrugay 2013-04-23
would you like to know more?
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120430/02112518698/nytimes-realizes-that-fbi-keeps-celebrating-breaking-up-its-own-terrorist-plots.shtml
http://www.salon.com/2011/09/29/fbi_terror/
http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/dgnmf/9202010_fbi_stings_terrorist_with_fake_bomb_in/
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/09/20/federal-authorities-arrest-chicago-man-alleged-bomb-plot/
http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/dgvgb/good_news_fbi_apparently_has_so_much_free_time/
http://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/9nvm6/fbi_arrests_man_accused_in_dallas_skyscraper_bomb/
http://www.reddit.com/r/Cryptogon/comments/ectf7/fbi_apparently_set_up_us_teen_blamed_for_fake_car/
http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/eilw8/thank_goodness_the_fbi_is_there_to_provide_these/
http://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/pudyk/so_the_fbi_gives_this_guy_a_fake_gun_and_a_bomb/
http://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/11r2rg/til_the_fbi_hired_an_informer_to_supply/
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/fbi-paid-informant-bronx-synagogue-bomb-plot-97k-terror-suspects-fake-bombs-article-1.202970
http://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/138jez/til_that_the_fbi_helped_frame_four_men_for_a_1965/
-1 mistsofparoketh 2013-04-23
Afghanistan is about the heroin, plain and simple.....http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/10/14066.html . . . . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CyuBuT_7I4 . . . .
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2 crazystrawman 2013-04-23
No, but if you look hard enough and believe, that's really the key, you have to know it's there before you ever even find it, you will. Just study it out!
-1 _SNUGS_ 2013-04-23
http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1cznkx/possible_next_false_flagpolitical_theatre_staged/