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That's head spinning hypocricy when you contradict yourself in the same sentence - "Nothing gets deleted or censored, shills banned immediately."

I mean it's fine if they want to run a subreddit however they want. They have a right to tailor it however they choose. But to pretend you are doing it as a beacon of openness and truth, while banning anything you don't like is pretty funny.

Says the man who likes talking dolphins whilst sailing in a golden sub..... it's all the same.

Touche, but no ..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKj84YAGUs8&hd=1 loved the movie and the 4 Books of the Hero's of the march "Outlaws of the Marsh".

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He's got a point. You post an anti-ConspiracyX post in the Conspiracy forum. Group A = ConspiracyX users. Group B = Conspiracy users.

That is apparent. These are separate things, however. Your being banned did not inexorably cause this post. You chose to post this. The action and any consequence belongs to you. What you say above is merely self-justification.

I actually think he's trying to show how they don't follow their own rules.. Although I agree that he shouldn't have made the thread "People who celebrate the further fragmentation of discussion on reddit into neatly categorized circle-jerks are no better than paid shills." That could drive a wedge between the groups, but I genuinely don't think that is what OP was going for.. Anyway, they make these claims "TRUTH AND ONLY TRUTH" on their sub, yet they post theories with no sources. The moment you question their theories you get banned for being a "shill."

OP was clearly stating the hypocrisy of their subreddit. I don't think OP should have made that thread in their sub, but instead have just made posts questioning their theories. That is enough to get you banned there. If he had done that instead he wouldn't have looked like he was stirring shit up.

What's even more pathetic is that your sub is a circlejerk of one. You make most of the posts and then answer yourself.

I guess you do it for the lulz?

How is that any different than here? Anyone who has a non-conspiracy explanation for the prevailing view gets shouted down as a shill and people then moan about the brainwashed sheeple who subscribe to the party line...irony much?

Lie, you are the ones here subverting our board with your opinions. You all actively work together to downvote threads or comments in threads and then upvote each other. No one is buying your conspiratard bullshit anymore.

Ronintetsuro may be right about ConspiracyX, but you aren't going to use his thread to grandstand.

Thanks for trying so hard to disprove my point.

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You are either new here or don't pay very much attention to this board.

They say the truth shall set you see, but that depends on which truth you see

Fighting to uphold free speech, by banning those they don't agree with.

The true American way...

THANK YOU! This is all the recognition I needed to know im doing a good job. When they all come together and try and publicly denounce your truth movement, just like mass media does with any truth information, you KNOW you are on the right path. Thanks guys.

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It's not. He's a textbook hypocrite and is posting general comments that mean nothing since he continues to contradict himself. He is what gives conspiracy theorists a bad name. Good riddance

Shut up. You banned me because I asked for sources to your theory that those severely injured in the Boston Bombings were paid actors.. Simply asking for sources got me banned. Yeah, you're doing a good job all right. Stopping all those with common sense from pointing out the gaping holes in all of your theories.

You are a great example of a "me too guy."

Its a great tactic used by shills, the "hey, show me ALL your sources, I want to know the names, addresses, phone numbers of the people you talk about, I want to know what their dentists name is and what they had for breakfast, otherwise, OBIVOUSLY, your conspiracy is fake" gimme gimme, gimme... gimme all proof on a silver platter..

if you agree then come support the discussion with your own digging, and if you don't agree and all you're going to do is cite mass media and try and discredit everything you come upon, then a question needs to be asked of you "why in the heck am I on this sub?"

It's a great tactic, go around and demand proof and sources, or point fingers and blame people, its a tactic used to stray people away from the truth and their own digging.

I hope you feel proud selling your country and the people for a few bucks.

Christ you're delusional.

I just wanted one source... One person who said "hey they weren't letting civilians anywhere near the finish line before the bombings" or "hey my aunt/uncle does movie make-up, and it looked like she was there helping!" yet you can not. You also can't provide ANY other proof they were actors. Not even a shred of evidence tying anyone to it.

I have done some digging, and I haven't found any conclusive evidence to your theory.

"You're going to do is cite mass media and try and discredit everything" You do realize that you have nothing to discredit, right? You never posted sources, only what you believe happened. I went to you sub to see if you guys support open discussions, and you didn't. So, I haven't visited it since then.

my CIA disinfo agent paycheck joke aside, you should seek help man. You're very delusional.. Either schizophrenic or ppd. Regardless you should talk to someone.

EDIT: I think I will contact the CIA and try to get compensated for slowing down(so close to making headlines!) your "truth movement" at r/conspiracyX. Once they have a look at your sub they will realize I am a necessary evil to combat your ever growing army of "truthers" from r/conspiracyX. They better recruit me soon before CNN picks you up as a leading source to their journalism. /s

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Yeah, I saw a video that actually used the same webpage to explain how it all went down. There was no proof there were actors and make-up artists on scene, only speculation.

One thing I looked for when debunking the theory was whether or not they were letting certain people near the finish line. That is something that would be mandatory for there to be actors. They would have had to make 100% sure nobody got into the bombing areas. It would only take 1 civilian to blow the whistle on the whole operation.

So, they had to do that not only at 1 location, but at 2. The 2nd location would have been a bit more difficult to keep clear of civilians. It'd be odd to have a "vip" section a couple hundred yards from the finish line, wouldn't it?

It'd be odd to have a "vip" section a couple hundred yards from the finish line, wouldn't it?

I think that'd be the most likely place to have a VIP section. That's where everyone wants to be to see the winner, or just to see their friend/family member cross the finish line.

A couple hundred yards from the finish line? I dunno about you, but I'd prefer to be right beside the finish line to snap pictures of my friend/family who was in the race. Fortunately, there weren't any designated VIP areas where the bombs went off. So if they weren't keeping innocent civilians away from the blast zones it's safe to say the attacks were real.

What kind of evidence would it take to sway you from your present conclusions?

If you're trolling, you're doing a very good job, I just want to shake you like a broken etch-a-sketch and go "No! That's not how critical thinking works!"

That's the great thing about truth, you get to say everyone else is a fucking liar conspiring against you and you and only you are the only hope the world has but fuck the world they don't believe you so you don't give a shit.

"When everyone's telling you're wrong, that AUTOMATICALLY makes you right!"

Anyone see a potential flaw in his logic there?

Duh? I was banned on the first day r/conspiracyX was up for asking about sources.. They were backing the "Crisis actor" theory with no evidence..

I don't understand how 9000Sins is allowed to be a mod here on /r/Conspiracy when he's a mod of /r/ConspiracyX that is closed discussion sub.. We need to have him removed from r/Conspiracy mod list if he's supporting a sub like ConspiracyX.

sources are for shills

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If you go to somebody's house and then tell them how ugly their dog is, how stupid their kitchen table is, how you don't like their drapes, that you don't agree with the time they eat dinner, and put down the way they live, I'm pretty sure you're not going to be invited again. It's quite simple, if you don't like their house, don't visit them.

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My bad, I re-watched the film. I though that movie was trying to disprove that the people have any power of intention or power over their surroundings. It seemed to me that it was trying to say the opposite of what I believe in; that people who come together for the greater good have power to do great things.

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Yes, don't go to peoples homes telling how ugly their wife is, you wont be invited back. Its just simple courtesy. But if the owner of the home misheard you, understood what you were really trying to say, and apologized, then everything is gravy.

Like if you said "Hey, your wife has a fat ass!!" I would be pretty angry and kick you out. Then you would tell me that you meant "PHAT" which is what the cool kids say for good looking and you were only complimenting, then Id say, "sorry brother, I agree with you there" and shake you hand and everything will be alright.

Wow you are NOT fit to be a mod.

Thank you, ill take that as a compliment.

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You didn't like the claims you thought it made so you banned it.

How can you say you support open discussion if no one is allowed to think differently than yourself?

It is just like religion man, this sect of conspiracy theorist judges others that don't believe exactly like them to be heretical and tries to kick them out. Just like in religion, the zealot claims to know "what is really in the heart" of the other guy (calling everyone a "paid shill") does nothing but isolate himself further and reinforce his own nutty views.

When members of that sub and this one call or accuse someone of being a shill, is that used literally? Or simply as a kind of colloquial insult?

Whatever online conspiracy community you go to, it's gonna be full of paranoid nutters with no bearing on reality. You have to see through that for the nuggets of real dangerous shit going on in the world

It doesn't suprise me things went the way they did. These people want to have a little (probably anti semetic) circle jerk. They get mad that people could possibly have a different viewpoint, hence they pull out the shill card and try to censor opinion. The irony is fucking painful.

as they say - during the tine of deceit, truth becomes a revolutionary act

Well, you know you are doing SOMETHING right when the shills come out and publicly try and discredit your movement. Well done truth seekers, we are on the right path! ConspiracyX welcomes anyone tired of shills and BS, only truth. We welcome you:)

Translation: "ConspiracyX welcomes anyone afraid of dissenting opinion, in order to create a more perfect circlejerk."

If your ideas are so powerful, let them be proven by their own merit, not by staring in the mirror and telling yourself how you are so beautiful and valiant.

you discredit yourself when you ban people for requesting sources to your theories.

You need to see a doctor, and I'm serious.. You really think that you are doing something right with your sub? Do you genuinely think everyone is out to suppress your theories and opinions? You remind me of my friend's father who is a medicated schizophrenic. He too thinks the government is after him, and knows everything about everything. You two would get a long well.

Shill 101 - point fingers and call people "delusional" and "schizophrenic."

The proof is in the pudding. Those interested come out to ConspiracyX and see for yourselves what we are all about.

my goodness.. I wish I could live a day with your brain.. I really do.

And then when you are backed into a corner make negative remarks in the direction of your opponent that tries to make him look stupid, dumb, incompetent or other negative qualities.

This is perfect studying ground for everyone interested in learning how shills work. Thanks AdviCeSC2 for the lesson!

No, you didn't back me into a corner. I'm literally flabbergasted.. Are you just fucking with everyone, or do you really believe what you're saying? Like, I read your comments and I can't help but think "this guy is totally trolling me," but then again there are people out there who genuinely act the way you do. So it's hard to decipher sometimes..

Some of your comments are totally "wtf" worthy.. You make statements like "trying to denounce my truth movement" as if the conspiracy community is on your shoulders. Like you've been the chosen one to expose governments/world elites for the atrocities seen world-wide.

Why is it that the moment someone disagrees with you, you label them a "shill or troll?" If you ask me, that's not what someone leading a "truth movement" would do.. It reminds me of how the Government/World's Elite treat whistle blowers.. But you're the chosen one, so those who question your theory are clearly out to discredit you, right?

You believing I'm a "CIA Disinfo Agent," goes to show that you believe anything you read on the internet. That probably explains why you support the "crisis actor" theory people are throwing around on the net with no evidence.

Anyway, I'm sure some of you will get this.. "Bon jour"

Wow you seem quite angry. I definitely wouldn't invite an angry person like you to my house.

yeah, I'm so angry. lol

edit: how could I be angry? Look at who is being upvoted, and who's being downvoted.. Lol, I already know your response.. "great work having your shill CIA buddies downvote me" -TruthIsPowerful

lol

nothing will be done by anyone.

Except post more truth, and keep banning the shills, disruptors, and those hired to discredit the truth movement. Come visit us, we have a lot of great information!

Come visit us, we have a lot of great unsourced information that we refuse to defend with debate or discussion!

I had the same experience, posted links disproving his " truth" , in a very nice conversational tone pointing out that his theory was food for thought, but patently false. Banned. The comment below mine, in fact, was deleted. So...it's not what it appears to be, don't waste your time is my advice.

And ban people who request sources, or question your posted theories!

nothing will be done by anyone.

It's refreshing to be able to read a discussion without all the noise.

Not where I would go to critically examine an issue, but I think it complements this sub.

I really like the sub image that takes up half the fucking page.

How do you know you are doing something right? When the shills come out and publicly try to denounce your truth movement!

What a wonderful false-reality they've created, one where they are never wrong.

is this like a conspiracy about conspiracies?

since when is there logic in this sub

r/ConspiracySatire is exactly what it claims AND has 7 readers!

The shills are busy on /r/conspiracyX just check out the "new" stream!

I always say we must not tolerate hypocrisy, but it's ok, I never really mean it.

Same guys who are on /r/conspiracy and the ones I booted. Sorry my anarchic personality got the best of me and maybe my one fell swoop of status quo displacement was not the best method.... but yeah fuck those kids.

Didn't know about this subreddit, thanks.. subscribed. With reddits like this (and ours), I always go to 'New' & see how many downvotes the newest submissions have. I think it's a little suspicious how many downvotes some submissions will get, in a relatively short amount of time. If you pay attention, you can see campaigns of downvotes, hopefully to push things under before enough people even see it. The new submissions page for r/ConspiracyX is flooded with downvotes, as well as any commenting.

That tells me I need to spend more time there ;-). Thanks for the heads-up.

Im sure it's too late for this comment to get much attention, but i feel the need to interject.

So, by your logic, that any private forum is a circle jerk, you must also believe that any discussion which is not open to the public, including but not limited to class rooms, business meetings, or scientific councils, is a circle jerk perpetuating a stagnant mentality.

Private forums are private for various reasons, and in this case and many others, it is to keep out people who are uneducated on the matters of discussion and are unopen to becoming educated. The fact that you immediately criticized the forum's carefully designed and clearly laid out guidelines upon entering, knowing full well that it would most likely get you banned, is not at fault of the moderators or the rules. If you had any sufficient education in "conspiracy theory" or had even any significant time on conspiracy forums, you would know that there are a number of topics which could never get enough attention here to warrant significant discussion (such as theories of the occult or who controls the elite), primarily due to the members of this forum trying to remain credible (by keeping discussion down to the facts as much as possible; something i fully respect and find necessary but we do need a place where we can theorize on limited facts, unfortunately this is impossible in a completely public forum) along with the overwhelming number of trolls or skeptics who, at best, need to be dragged through the basics against their will. Allowing these kind of people in the forum is like allowing a 12 year old into a business meetings, whereby he is convinced that the business must stop making what they make and start making plastic dinosaurs. Im sure you understand how this might be disruptive to coherent discussion.

We all grew up, to some extent at least, with the official narrative and deemed it to be flawed. Coming to a conspiracy forum and parroting the official story to people who have spent years of their lives studying the alternative and even longer engrossed by the official narrative, without anything more than a basic education in the official narrative and no understanding at all of the alt, and being anything more than respectfully open minded is not going to be greeted with much appreciation. I dont claim to know your position or education but i can tell you that the way you presented yourself to that forum gave the impression that you were not only undereducated on why a private forum is necessary but also critical of conspiracy theorizing in general. The whole point of a private forum is for us to be able to openly discuss ideas where only the evidence is criticized, not the people discussing them, while also not being attacked for simply hypothesizing based on limited evidence.

Of course, r/conspiracy tries to be as unregulated as possible, but anyone whose been here for even a little knows that seriously hinders discussion amongst those who have spent significant time educating ourselves on conspiracy. That is why /r/conspiracyX exists, it is not a public forum, for users of any level of education or open mindedness to enter. It is for a specific subset of people to maximize the coherent discussion while also allowing the more taboo topics to be discussed. If you are not open to the words there, or able to be respectful, you dont belong there. Period.

r/conspiracyX isn't a private sub. Anyone can go, comment, and post links. That is until you disagree with their theories, or request sources that back their theories. If you want to have an open discussion that isn't in favor of their ideologies, you get banned.

All the answers to any question a skeptic may have are available elsewhere on the internet, including r/conspiracy. Conspiracy X is not a place for convincing skeptics (honestly, no area is going to convince a skeptic who isn't looking for the evidence for himself). It is a place for those already convinced by the widely available facts to theorize and discuss without having to be attacked or trolled or spend 2 hours writing essays to someone who is committed to an opposing viewpoint.

You do have a point. The thing is not all their theories have supporting evidence. Maybe that is what upsets people.. It bothers me because what if someone who never read about conspiracy theories were to come across r/conspiracyX? They see some of the threads and one finally intrigues them enough to click the link. They get in there, and there is no evidence to back said theory. The user asks for some information, and they are either rewarded with a good ol ban, or someone calling them a "shill." So, these people who may have never met a conspiracy theorist now have a bogus idea that we're all opposed to discussion, and believe things with no evidence..

You see how some can be opposed to their sub now?

Well i would say that by no means is conspiracyX for those who are new to conspiracy. It is for those of us who have been studying these things for years to be able to have intelligent discussion with out being mass downvoted for simply questioning beyond the accepted realm of inquiry. In a way, Conspiracy X is to conspiracy as english 150 is to english 100; it is a pre requisite that you have some basic understanding before you can be much use to or able to understand the consequent arena. However i do not believe in any sense that a respectful inquiry by someone new to conspiracy, would be met with bans or name calling. Im sure though that they would be encouraged to do some research though.

In regards to anyone who is so indoctrinated to the extent of being immediately hostile to alternative theories, the kind of people who get banned: they would never be convinced by a conspiracy forum anyway, so really nothing is lost. And even if it is possible to do so, the vast majority of us are far too busy with other matters, or far too exhausted by failed attempts to educate people, that we just dont even bother anymore. I believe the fact that in r/conspiracy a post can get hundreds of upvotes, but within the comments there are only trolls or new comers, is a result of this. R/conspiracy is no longer a place for intelligent debate because there too many here convinced that we are idiots that most of us dont even care to comment anymore.

Well you are right. I honestly don't know why I even care anymore.. Most people aren't willing to have open discussions, let alone have someone prove them wrong. I honestly don't understand why people come here when they aren't interested in having open discussions.

I personally come here for the information and to see what people have to say mostly. debate is and had never been my desire (although i always find myself in one). It is by no means a discussion forum anymore, as it seems you realize. However, conspiracy is far more complex than the debate over say religion vs atheism, and that debate rarely ever has a winner. I have come to realize that debate alone, in regards to convincing skeptics, is almost absolutely useless. And most others realize this as well. The only thing that will ever convince a skeptic or a troll is his own research, something most refuse to do. Hence private or heavily moderated conspiracy forums so that debate can be had without having to deal with those thoroughly committed to the idea that we are all wrong and stupid.

Thank you, I couldn't have said it better myself. This is exactly what conspiracyX is about.

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I sense there's a message here... if you read between the lines. /s

If someone doesn't like /cx, you are free not to post in /conspiracyX. If you have conspiracy-related things to discuss, you can certainly do them in /conspiracy. So why the attack on /cx? Isn't how people run their subs their business? Because if all subs are open to this criticism, then we need to also address how /conspiratard operates as a malicious sub undermining its victim subs, and how it censors all opposition by banning them to silence them

I see some /ctard shills here attacking /cx, one calling it anti-semitic for its actions of cutting shills out of discussion. I guess they're not satisfied with attacking /conspiracy (which they boast about doing in their sub, which bans anyone protesting their actions.)

I actually don't have a bone to pick with you and am sorry they acted as they did in your case. I can see why you feel as you do about it.

When you begin your criticism by insulting the group you are criticizing, don't expect hospitality.

Come out to conspiracyX and decide for yourselves what we are all about. Lots of steam, but the proof is in the pudding.

Looks like you're about silencing dissent, not seeking truth.

Come to conspiracyX, toe the line or be banned!

Someone needs to ban this whore from this sub.

Is name calling and swearing accepted in this sub? Mods?

Well, it's actually neither. It's a statement of fact...plus, there's no pudding.

EDIT: because:pudding

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So you think our government isn't involved in the drug trade?

So you think they ARE involved in the drug trade. Got it.

That's not what this is about in any way. Did you misread the post?

We don't have to think, we already know.

WHOOSH!

You antagonize people and expect what exactly? They are pretty clear they don't want people trolling.

expecting a sub to be about what it claims to be about is being antagonistic

Until you create your own sub and manage it by your own rules, you have should absolutely no expectation it's run the way you like. If you don't like it, unsubscribe.

So, that brings me to my next question: If you are not there to contribute material, what is your purpose?

So it sounds like you don't agree with the sub, or perceive hypocrisy?

So explain to me again why I was banned?

You answered your own question:

my entire point is that the premise of /r/ConspiracyX is total horseshit

That's why. Plenty of subs I don't agree with, and I don't charge into them calling them out, I'd probably get banned.

If you are a 'white knight' why don't you take your efforts into a sub like /r/politics which is clear hypocrisy? I think the guys of /r/ConspiracyX probably have a low tolerance for drama, so feel free to start /r/ConspiracyY .

The true American way...

THANK YOU! This is all the recognition I needed to know im doing a good job. When they all come together and try and publicly denounce your truth movement, just like mass media does with any truth information, you KNOW you are on the right path. Thanks guys.

My bad, I re-watched the film. I though that movie was trying to disprove that the people have any power of intention or power over their surroundings. It seemed to me that it was trying to say the opposite of what I believe in; that people who come together for the greater good have power to do great things.

yeah, I'm so angry. lol

edit: how could I be angry? Look at who is being upvoted, and who's being downvoted.. Lol, I already know your response.. "great work having your shill CIA buddies downvote me" -TruthIsPowerful

lol

I had the same experience, posted links disproving his " truth" , in a very nice conversational tone pointing out that his theory was food for thought, but patently false. Banned. The comment below mine, in fact, was deleted. So...it's not what it appears to be, don't waste your time is my advice.

It'd be odd to have a "vip" section a couple hundred yards from the finish line, wouldn't it?

I think that'd be the most likely place to have a VIP section. That's where everyone wants to be to see the winner, or just to see their friend/family member cross the finish line.

You do have a point. The thing is not all their theories have supporting evidence. Maybe that is what upsets people.. It bothers me because what if someone who never read about conspiracy theories were to come across r/conspiracyX? They see some of the threads and one finally intrigues them enough to click the link. They get in there, and there is no evidence to back said theory. The user asks for some information, and they are either rewarded with a good ol ban, or someone calling them a "shill." So, these people who may have never met a conspiracy theorist now have a bogus idea that we're all opposed to discussion, and believe things with no evidence..

You see how some can be opposed to their sub now?