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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fUT7XgLiTY

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i also have an opinion to your irrelevant shit.. here is some more of mine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_urHxAmUW8

The "proven conspiracies" weren't always proven. They were proven because people kept on looking into them.

This subreddit exists for the purpose of wild speculation, nobody believes everything is a conspiracy. Most of us however, enjoy speculating as if everything were.

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Some people do ignore stuff that doesn't fit their narrative. But ALL conspiracy theorist? Seriously?

Even within your own thread here I've seen several people openly profess that they do NOT believe in certain theories.

Yet here you are ignoring facts that don't fit YOUR narrative. The circle is complete.

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Well this is /r/conspiracy, I wouldn't expect to find recipes for cedar plank salmon.

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If 290 people are convinced that Boston was a false flag, that is less than 1% of the subscribers here.

People like to speculate about these things man, the reason they do is because of our government's history of top secret bullshit.

How many governments does the CIA need to overthrow for american corperations before the general public starts to distrust everything that happens?

The government has brought this distrust upon themselves. Same with terrorism they have created conspiracy theorist. You'll have to excuse me if I'm not apologetic about it.

Ah well here we have broad generalizations. You are evaluating a group based on a vocal minority, IMO. The stereotype for somebody with an interest in conspiracies (often referred to as a conspiracy theorist) does not necessarily reflect the reality.

It's like someone said in another thread (I'm paraphrasing here:) There's a lot of crazy stuff here, but there's still good content if you filter out the other stuff.

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It's definitely an issue that deserves some attention, though I'm not certain what the solution is. I've taken to viewing /r/conspiracy quite differently than i view other news and discussion subreddits, sorting mostly by /new/ and learning to identify the garbage posts, the titles that include meaningless hyperbole "Is there something they aren't telling us?!?", the things from sites i know are pathos-filled and often have little or no sources (e.g. infowars). It requires a little more investment of time, but there is still good content here.

But I'm not a casual visitor. I'm not a non-subscriber coming in to get an impression of the subreddit and community. Those folks get a different image, more like what you're describing. I think we can figure out a solution there, I'm just not yet certain what it will be. It could be more restrictive posting rules, it could be tags and filtered searches, it could be separate subreddits like /r/credibleconspiracy. I believe you make some good points, and I promise this discussion won't die just because your submission was downvoted.

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Proven conspiracies were often only proven after investigation and action by people who shared and discovered information about those conspiracies before they were proven. Look at MKULTRA for example. Loads of speculation about it, a few leaks here and there. But it wasn't proven until the people who had discussed and hypothesized about it ad nauseum were able to get documents on it through some persistent FOI requests. Yes there's a lot of BS here, and there are accounts that appear naive and extremist. It's a diverse community using this subreddit, and a few minutes sifting through the /new/ page will show a diverse variety of content with some being garbage and others being fairly valuable and interesting. If we were to focus solely on conspiracies that have been proven true, we'd be better branded as something like r/conspiracyhistory or r/historyofconspiracy. Not that that wouldn't be a valuable and interesting subreddit to participate in and observe, but it wouldn't fulfil some of the functions this one does which are still valuable.

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I'm not sure I understand. :/ Can you elaborate?

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I didn't mention 9/11.

But you see, this kind of discussion could produce valuable insights for both participants. If we only were discussing proven conspiracies on this subreddit, well we'd just be sitting here saying "yep, that was a derned conspiracy."

Though if you do want to talk about how people keep conspiracies secret, we can talk about compartmentalization of information, which works exceptionally well for intelligence agencies across the planet, and worked quite nicely for the Manhattan Project just as an example.

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But did the general populace know that it was going on, even though the spies did?

red means go
red means go
red means go
eventually red means go.

Every event that happens is immediately a conspiracy.

Totally reasonable way of thinking if one believes 9/11 was a conspiracy.

It's fairly obvious now that it wasn't staged and isn't a false flag but people seem to desperately be clinging onto the fiction that is was staged. Not that staging it would make any sense because it would be easier to drop 2 real bombs.

What is so obvious that it wasn't a false flag? And no I don't think it was staged using actors. Bombs really went off and hurt people. However, it is possible that Craft international, or someone else, was responsible for dropping the bombs. It is also likely this was another FBI sting gone wrong.

The rest of your post just generalizes millions of people into a single group with one line of thinking, which is an outlandish lie.

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I don't think I can help you.

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I can't help you because your mind is made up. Your post was a vent to the public. Personally, I don't know what happened in Boston. I know there have been multiple FBI stings in the past where the FBI created terrorists. Here But this is just speculation, as is anything at our level of investigation. You ask for evidence, and I have none. I simply distrust those with power because history tells us too.

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I can't help you because your mind is made up and mine isn't. Don't you understand????????? I DON'T KNOW

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You are obviously illiterate. What evidence do you have that the Tsarnaev brothers were the sole perpetrators? Did you watch the short video I asked you to? Google "Fake FBI Terror Plots." I said it is all speculation and my mind isn't made up. I do not have evidence. My investigation is still on going. You have already closed yours and are ready to attack those still working.

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What is wrong with you?

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I don't even know how to respond to this. Jut refer to my previous statements.

you flat out that the towers reacted exactly as expected. If you think otherwise you have 0 understanding of engineering.

Lol, "They blowed up real good!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHkvD7-u7y8

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You have never worked with heavy steel or equipment a moment of your life have you?

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9/11 is the "Big Lie" and most of us know who is behind it and who defends it every fucking single day in the media. Those buildings could have taken multiple airliner impacts and never have fallen in the manner they did.

Those were Controlled Explosive Demolitions beyond any reasonable doubt. 9/11 was the greatest False Flag of all time. I am so sick of this tribe of con artists that have taken over the USA.

What a sad, sick, sadistic tribe of money and media manipulators.

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Once the structure collapsed the amount of force it had assited by gravity would be about the same as 500 747's crashing down at 500mph.

Ummmm.... "once"? So at the moment of collapse, the amount of gravity exerted on the building increased? wtf man...

Please show me your exact mathematical calculations showing that it's ~500 747's worth of energy going at 500mph!

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First, just to note, 5 vs 500 isn't a little mistake... that's a massive mistake. The kinetic energy of five 747's is RADICALLY less than with five hundred 747s.

There's such a significant amount of flaws in your posts here today I'm honestly having a hard time knowing where to even start...

The building had no chance.

Yea well, planes of similar size have hit smaller buildings than the WTC towers and didn't fall down. The twin towers were literally specifically engineered to not fall down if a plane hit it in the worst possible spot. MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS of dollars were spent just for this particular engineering task. Do you not find it odd that in all of history, there's never been a sky scraper to just crumble and fall from a fucking fire... and there's been fires MUCH more massive than the 9/11 fires in buildings far weaker than the twin towers and those buildings didn't crumble. Sure you can say that just because other buildings didn't fall from epic fires and explosions doesn't mean that the twin towers couldn't have fallen due to those reasons... but dude... I'm not really sure how to put this so I'll try an example... If I drop a ball from my hand and it falls straight to the ground every damn time (say 99/100), then one time someone runs up and smacks the ball away before it hits the ground and there is lots of evidence of this happening, would you then assume that somehow for some reason a massive super wind gust strong enough to blow the ball away did so just because the person who supposedly smacked the ball says that's what happened? Is anything starting to sink in yet?

Making a mistake of 5 vs 500 demonstrates that while you may grasp some of the underlying concepts, you aren't able to accurately visualize or process all the dynamics/physics/math of the WTC building's destruction.

Nice effort on the math though, I'll give you an A for effort.

what happened to WTC 3? We all talk about 7. If it was controlled demo, then pieces of the two towers shouldn't have fallen on WTC 3.

Only 1, 2, and 7 were controlled demo. http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/attack/wtc3.html

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so what happened to WTC 3? wouldn't controlled demolitions not have rained debris on the other buildings?

Sure, right. http://www.bing.com/search?q=israel+did+9%2F11+all+the+proof+in+the+world&qs=AS&form=QBLH&pq=israel+did+&sc=8-11&sp=2&sk=AS1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNOM_U5UM6Q

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Umm... check your facts dude. Enough Thermite to take down a WTC tower is EASILY obtainable by any government or other entity with a bit of money and common connections in that sort of market.

Anyways, it's seeming to me (correct me if I'm wrong) but you don't seem to have a basic fundamental grasp of math and physics as applied to the real world. I mean... you were talking about 500 747's worth of energy above in another post (ridiculousness) and now you fail to grasp that with the proper calculations and correct placement Thermite and explosive combos could take down basically any building in the world.

Go ask someone who's reputably trained in demolition.

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So you can work out the kinetic force of two objects with vastly different masses and traveling different speeds at the top of your head?

No not quite, but I also wouldn't try to do so and then make a post about it as if the results are accurate before even checking like you did...

Well I honestly figured the towers weighed more but even still the amount of force the tower falling is just staggering, more than enough to take out the bulding.

more than enough

Except for math...

How about you go ask a structural engineer.

I have... oh and also physicists, and mathmeticians, and demolitionists, and chemists and even biologists (though they weren't very helpful).

Anyways... you didn't make any comments about what I said in regards to obtaining Thermite. Did you realize you were wrong about this one? I mean, I just did some google searches and figured out what I'd have to do if I desired to obtain a lot of Thermite... also, you can buy it on the deep web successfully lulz (not huge amounts of course, but still...)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn-MCCZ3O1M

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how do you explain. boom
boom
boom
boom
boom
boom

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Personal attacks aren't welcome here.

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Seriously, that is no reason to insult someone.

Keep calm, check the rules on the sidebar ------>

And carry on.

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no i cant explain boom boom boom because thats the noise explosions normally make.
or better.. thats what it sounds like when floors pancake onto each other.

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again its all in here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNOM_U5UM6Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uor8NhUr_90