So, what your saying is... NWO isn't coming it is already here?

I agree with it's primise. I have seen this info elsewhere in a better format but I can't find it. This video was poorly put together and it looks like sections were edited out. Also the "consent" section is in there twice with the same footage/clips.

We are debt slaves for sure...

What steps have you made to free yourself?

What is a sovereign

So how will that help you in court and or life?

Answer - It won't.

Thats what I thought.

I mean in theory it sounds great, but it also sounds like a free anarchy hybrid. It wouldnt really work out. And as a force 100k large, it seems that if they were going to get any legit backing and support for that life style, they would have by now...

The idea is nice to think about, but its fucking stupid to think the government will care you claim sovereignty.

I'm familiar with the movement, but I've never had the chance to talk with one of you.

How do you feel about using public services (roads, parks, DMV, etc.) and how do you feel about ever calling the police?

Why do you put quotations around words like "drive" and "parks?"

Do you think anyone can go on any land at any time? Do you recognize private ownership of land at all?

How do you plan on dealing with police if you drive without a license? Regardless of your opinion, they will police traffic on any road inside their territory, and mandate conditions for driving privileges. Have you been ticketed or arrested?

This is very interesting, thank you.

But the government doesn't recognize any of these concepts you're talking about here. How is it that you've been stopped numerous times driving inside the borders of a state and haven't been ticketed? Like I was saying, regardless of how you see things, they see you as inside their jurisdiction.

How does this work travelling between national borders?

Do you "travel" in a car, though? On paved roads?

How do you feel about paying sales tax when you buy items. Do you file your income taxes?

Well, to be honest, this whole idea seems silly.

A birth certificate isn't a contract. It's just a record of your coming into this earth.

You can't call is (with quotations no less) the "United States of America Inc." because it's not a corporation. That's a weird concept.

The US doesn't need your consent to impose the law upon you. By existing within these borders you follow their rules. And those rules aren't some commercial code, they're the god damn law that we're all subject to.

You don't get to choose whether or not you are subject to the law. You've seen the video of your kin being tased at the courthouse, right? That's what happens when you take your bizarre ideas to court.

Good luck with this, man. I can't wait to see what happens when you get pulled over for driving without a license and try this shit, Please make sure to record it.

And I think you've been brainwashed by this very unusual interpretation of the law.

Glancing through your post history- You're a former Marine who smokes a ton of weed to deal with your paranoia and anxiety. This Soverign thing sounds like a paranoid delusion to me. Get help, man. Stop self-medicating. Talk to a psychiatrist or psychologist. Don't get fucked by the long dick of the law by trying to pull some legal trick on them.

Well, sometimes pills do work. And you don't have to take pills. Just talking to a specialist would probably help a lot in dealing with the paranoia and anxiety.

They aren't sovereign when they leave their reservations. Shit, they aren't even that sovereign on their reservations. You can't legalize murder on an indian reservation for instance. And these reservations are special privileges we've given them to feel better about destroying their societies and occupying land that was previously theirs.

And the justice system is flawed, sure, but that doesn't mean the law doesn't apply to anyone if they don't want it to. There will always be injustice and unfair treatment under the law, but we can strive to to our best to make it work for us. You can't say that because some shitty people weren't prosecuted that you don't have to obey the law.

It doesn't seem to be working, since you've fallen under the sway of a very unusual interpretation of the law, one that doesn't seem to be based on reasonable premises. Most people would be unconvinced by the arguments you've presented here in favor of this concept. It's probably significant in that it's a philosophy where you are constantly under attack by the government, who are trying to force you into debt slavery or some shit. It's a paranoid delusion, dude.

How many lawyers do you think are a part of this movement? Is there any judicial precedent for your interpretation of the law?

Good luck, man.

Well that's a hopeful sign then. I think you should take a closer look at this Sovereign movement, and maybe look at some of the counter-arguments to it. You don't get new info from an echo-chamber.

commenting to watch later.

This is eye opening, thank you.

Wow. Definitely worth watching. Thanks