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I rather be on the edge of the path than at the heart of it

If you've got the resources to get out of the country (I'm assuming that's what you're implying in your OP), you probably don't need to. All you need to do is get out of cities and large towns, and settle in somewhere with a small population, a decent distance from anywhere else, and become as self-sufficient and friendly with your new neighbours as possible. Those are the communities that will survive if shit goes really bad.

*To give you some context, I just worked it out: if you look at the UK, the population per square mile of the whole country is equivalent to every person in America living inside an area roughly 1.7 times the size of Texas. Trust me, you have enough room. There won't be thousands of people roaming through the countryside and getting to every place you could want to settle.

Leaving the country is actually very simple and there are great places in this wonderful world to live and see. Buy a boat and learn to sail. It's actually the easiest way to become self reliant.

Until Jack Sparrow steals your ship...

I'm inclined to agree, but this kind of preparation is important because, before we can rebel and overthrow the current regime, we have to become independent of it. Right now, people cannot rise up against the machine because they are too reliant on it. Encourage everyone you know to take up gardening and to prepare a survival pack. Organize emergency procedures for you and your family and close friends, and if the internet gets turned off, put that plan into action without even waiting to find out the news by word-of-mouth.

Have you considered China? They will be running things in the world in about 20 years. It is already a gold mine of opportunity and excitement. Probably safer to be there.

Proof?

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Source?

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Proof?

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Instructions not clear. Lost my glasses in your girlfriend's snatch.

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Its in the puddin

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Seriously though three days and not one thing supporting your ideas... so yeah... fuck off.

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Looks like you still cant argue your point like a grown up... great job dingus

Im still waiting for your proof amigo

pack a camping backpack with survival supplies,and a weeks worth of dehydrated food. mine has rope,med supplies, fire starters, a stove, crank powered radio, tools, a water filitration system, and various other supplies. im ready to dissapear at a moments notice.

Can you point me in a direction where I can find out how to get supplies and use them effectively?

go to EMS for camping supplies. i suggest an internal frame back pack, when testing out a backpack in a store,make sure to put at least fifty pounds in it. get a sleeping bag rated to negative twenty. walmart also has decent stuff, but it wont be as good as anything you can get at a camp store. also check out campmore.

Thank you

My pack would allow me to survive indefinitely in the wilderness. It contains:

• tent
• sleeping bag
• ground tarp (cut to match the footprint of my tent)
• water microfilter (for heavy metals)
• water UV pen (for viruses and bacteria)
• water bottle
• cookpot and utensils
• 2 ea of heavy and light socks
• 1 ea of thermal layer, light outter layer, and heavy outter layer (synthetic materials are best because of weight, collapsability, and quick drying)
• rain pants and rain coat
• waterproof boots
• 25 ft of synthetic chord (for suspending my food from a tree away from camp at night)
• machette with saw back
• hatchet with hammer back
• knife/multi-tool (its very useful to include scissors and a wire cutter)
• rimmed hat and netting (for bugs)
• gardening gloves
• collapsible shovel
• GPS as well as a paper map
• phone
• 2 flashlights
• medical supplies (antibiotic, anti-hystemine, various bandages, cortazone cream or something similar for bug bites, iodine tablets, tweezer, aspirin, eyedrops, gauze wrap, tape)
• sewing and patch kit
• waterproof matches
• compass/mirror/binocular/magnifying glass multi-tool
• a few extra ziplocke bags and garbage bags (very handy for lots of things. Keeping things dry is imparative in the wilderness. Nothing short of nuclear holocause will make you more miserable outdoors than getting you and your stuff wet)
• edible and medicinal plants book
• dangerous animals and plants book
• firearm
• fishing pole, line, and tackle
• food (usually dried foods like noodles, oatmeal, dried fruits. Also trailmix, hot chocolate mix, flatbread, and some tuna or jerky). I carry about 7-8 lbs of food, and if necessary I can make it last a full month without any supplimentation from fishing or gathering.
• assorted heirloom seeds, for a garden if I need to survive long-term

My back weighs about 55 lbs with that stuff. I carry a little over 45 of it in my main backpack, and the remainder in a front-mounted pack that is easy to access while walking and helps to offset the weight of the backpack. I'll actually be adding another 10 lbs to it because I want to have a portable solar panel, battery, tablet PC, and external harddrive. But those aren't immediate necessities, just long-term ones, to me. Learning to build a solar panel is quite easy and very handy. They can last more than a decade and solar cells can be bought cheaply on ebay.

Also, do some gardening this year. This is the right time to get seeds into the ground, right now. You'll learn some stuff that you'll be glad to have learned, if you ever really need to survive off the grid. And take some short-term hiking trips with your pack, to work out which things you might want to add, change, or remove. I can't describe how great it feels to have a survival pack prepped, and know that if society crumbled tomorrow, I'd be right as rain.

Dont forget rat traps to catch small animals for food

i've learned to make various gauges of chording with available materials, and to rig traps for animals of various sizes. But good point. Trapping is a much easier way to get food than outright hunting.

if you are talking about unsealed solar cells then it is not easy at all. you should read up more about it, but the short story is: they oxidize quickly if not sealed and free of oxygen.

also, potassium iodide, just in case.

Well yeah, you need to seal any solar panel from moisture (not oxygen) if you want it to last long. But it's not that tough. You just use the same kind of sealant that you use on fish tanks.

I've done more than read up on it, I've done it.

technically you are right, in that it takes oxygen and moisture to really ruin a cell. how are you sealing them? are you using EVA or painting them with something? are you evacuating the cavity (it sounds like you are putting them between glass with some caulking on the edges. almost all sealants breathe and will not keep out the moisture and oxygen for long. how long have your projects lasted? are they decaying faster than a percent per year? i would be very surprised if they are, but if they are please link to something using this method.

When i looked into doing this it quickly became clear that it would be cheaper to just buy panels pre-made, and i try to make everything myself too.

actually, where can i get my hands on thay, i live eye distance away from a nuke plant

amazon or ebay would probably be the best. the dosage is well known. the stuff i got was from life-extensions, i think from walmart. really cheap, and if you need it, well, you need it.

Look up bug out bags. Aka b.o.b.s

dude you own :3

rope is pretty bulky, and is actually quite easy to make from a wide range of materials. Don't bother taking more than you think you might need in an immediate sense. Also, just FYI, if your filtration system ever messes up or gets broken, filtering water through a few layers of regular cloth will remove upwards of 95% of all contaminents.

Good on you for preparing. I've done the same and have been encouraging others to be prepared for shit to hit the fan. I've had enough of our executive branch turning into tyrrants. I'm just trying to raise other people's hackles so we can overthrow them en masse.

only carry enough rope to make a tarp canopy, i use fishing line instead of rope whenever i can.

right on. you know what you're doin' then :-)

outdoorsman :)

Not trying to bash you, but what happens after that weeks worth of food runs out? Where are you headed? If you 'bug out', you need a destination.

ive got books on traps and snares, ive practiced making them. not really a garuntee, but its something. no destination in mind, but i know that im going south.

The southeast from Houston/Dallas over is off limits for me due to perceived heavy military presence in case anything big happens. The farm states and the mountains are my ideal retreat.

Honestly, you'd be better off staying put. If you live in a city, i'd be making plans to relocate to some small rural town/village ASAP, but even then, you'll last longer staying than trying to survive in conditions and environments that are totally new to you. But you are right, it is something if it comes down to that.

its not new to me, ive been doing wilderness survival training and camping. I am not going to await my fate.

You might want to increase your food supply to last longer than 30 days.

its kinda hard to carry that much food on my back in addition to other supplies.

Plan on bugging in. Learn to grow your own veggies and fruits. You'd be amazed how zen a garden can be, and how much you can grow in a small space if you check out vertical gardening or other techniques.

You are not alone on this aspect. Many of us are afraid, and worried. But retreat is not an option. You must stay. You must be willing to stand when the time calls for it. When it boils in your blood, and you know, that it's now or never. There will be a time when the people like you and me who fear for OUR future will know we have to stand for that future. We cannot let money and greed rape and poison this planet. Learn as much as you can because an education is the only thing that can never be taken.

Get out of the US if you can now, preferably to a non-NWO country; otherwise, leave any urban (this includes suburbs) area to hunker down and lay in several months of supplies, and develop community ties with like minded people. In an urban area, it won't matter all that much what you do a week after the trucks stop coming. Lots of vids on YouTube on this sort of thing.

which countries would be concidered non-NWO?

north korea

The ones without private central banks; controlling the money supply is the source of NWO tyranny.

that would be Syria, N Korea and Iran. There were 5 countries not long ago, but Iraq and Libya were the other two - and the regime took care of those guys. The fights our military picks begin to make sense when viewed in that light, eh?

Anyone who is not a member of the BIS

I hear the underwater city of Rapture is nice. Costa Rica, Belize, or Chile if you are serious. I do not subscribe to any collapse, tho, we will just start larger wars if we have more economic troubles.

HAHAHAHA; kill your cravings at the circus of values!

You can run, but you can't hide.

Even if you "run for the hills" unless you have food and supplies stockpiled and hidden you will never survive more that a month. There will be no way to store any large animal you might kill for meat and when winter comes, anywhere in the north of the US you will need shelter.

Plus there will be thousands of people like you that will be foraging for food. Some of them will be more experienced and more prepare than you and they will take everything from you, and depending on how long you accidentally might have survived too long, they might even eat you,,lol

This is not like in the early 1900s when animals where plentiful. Nowadays, all the states have their own fisherys which stock all the rivers and lakes in the US every year.. Almost any fish you catch in the US is not a wild fish but one stocked by them.

You will be eating insects and tree bark until you succumb to disease from lack of nutrition.

collecting heirloom seeds right now is a big step toward remedying that problem ( for one's self at least). Setting up a survival pack and an emergency plan for you, your family and close friends is important to. If the internet goes out, put that plan into action. Don't wait for the news from some other source.

LoL. Have yopu ever even spent a full week camping out? "News" is the last thing you have to worry about.

You people crack me up

I think you misunderstood what I meant. I was saying, if the internet goes out (and with 3D printed guns schematics now proliferating like wildfire, it's a real possibility), don't wait to hear about what happened by word of mouth, or on the radio. Grab your provisions, find your people, and be all set to go off the grid. If you stand around waiting to hear what happened, your chances of survival are not as good.

For example, if the internet went down (which would probably coincide with cell phone deactivations, as it did in the regional internet shut down in LA during the 2011 occupy protests. People could not even call 911), people would start milling about in the streets, asking their neighbors what's going on. And without reassurances, people would start looting stores, looting houses, stealing cars, etc. We've seen it happen with less extreme circumstances than lacking internet and phone service. And if that happens, and you're still standing around, the smart people will have already taken the things they need to survive, possibly including your survival gear if you weren't paying attention to it.

That's what I meant.

And yes, I've spent more than a continuous month camping in the wilderness, with nothing more than what I could carry on my back. I know exactly what I'll be doing if shit hits the fan, and so do all my closest people.

When you lose your fear, you will not need to hide. I'll try to make this short.. You are an energy being, your energy is powerful as are all humans. You can manifest and co create realities with your energy. You do not need to run and hide. Think about this..

1. If we all turned our backs on the system which many are now doing, they become powerless.
2. Start growing your own food, start community food co ops, we need food, shelter, water. When we have these things self sufficiently and stop purchasing their products we are free.
3. Look into your spirituality, Buddhism, Christianity, anything from the light and start understanding the power of meditation and prayer.
4. Build the world you are looking for, start today, a small thing like planting a seed, others will follow.

Your energy focused, your mind focused, your physical form focused is what they do NOT want. They want you in fear, they want you dependent.. Ignore them, turn your back and build the dream with the rest of us who have started..

Trust me many are awake and the new day is coming... Live in love in the knowing that the Universal Law will always apply, you are a free living being of this planet and no one can take that from you ever..

You can speak out now or gnash your teeth in the camps later like they did in the Gulag Archipelago.

sweat and ice, ice and sweat....see something, say something

Where are you going to go? There was a guy caught in Maine who had been living in the woods for 20 years. He got by by stealing food and stuff from people.....

you have to be able to survive in the wilderness without interracting with other people. It takes time to prepare for that, which is why it's imparative to start planning this kind of stuff now, even if shit doesn't hit the fan. It's better to be over-prepared than to be left with no chair when the music stops.

I do not think most people would be able to survive in the wilderness alone. This is the reason that humans traditionally live in groups. But, if you can do it, you are a better man than I. I would take a wife if I intended to have children though.

Most of the people I know would indeed perish if they were suddenly put in the position of surviving by themselves. Planning and preparation make the difference between being a helpless sheeple and a one-man army.

Oh, and I'll just club me some poor cavewoman over the head if I wants me a brood, lol.

Well, make sure you have a club before you go.

/r/iwantout

Good luck getting out. Unless you are a doctor or have a ton of money most countries don't want you. We tried 7 years ago for various eu countries. I do have a friend that has been doing well in Mexico though.

what are you talking about that is getting "worse"? i love living here and am free to do as i wish, you are also free to do as you wish.why don't you realize that? what's the problem?

If you give up and walk away, they win. It's as simple as that. And it's entirely your choice to make.

You need a vacation from all the drama. Obvious cry of depression. Suck it up man. Everyone wades through shit. Don't let anyone own your soul except yourself.

That's a big judgement call. And no I'm not depressed.

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I would if I knew more people like me, so far there's only two but they haven't really grasped the extent of whats going on yet. I don't know what to do.

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How will I know who to trust and where to go?

Dodge it if you want to be a coward.

Upping sticks and moving to a different country takes a certain amount of balls. The real cowards are the ones who stay home and do nothing to help themselves, like rabbits caught in car headlights.

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But I'd rather fight than flee.

Agreed. Unfortunately it's very difficult to know who the enemy is at this point, and by the time we do, it may be too late.

I would, but ...

Try asking about Galt's Gulch - http://galtsgulchchile.com/ - Who is John Galt?

r/IWantOut

I personally left 10+ years ago and established my life in another country. Saying that, my situation is different. For your situation I have no idea as I don't know your situation and what you're prepared to do. If you can leave do it. Canada, South America some place cheap and less connected to USA might be a good idea which leads me to think about South America. Its a big change perhaps easy to travel by foot, but its not just the physical aspect its the mental due to no family and no friends but you need to speak the language and be qualified to work. This is a long shot and you will likely be able to seek asylum in another country if the USA goes south.

If you can get an Indian citizenship and go on the reservation. Otherwise learn to survive in the country, find food etc. You might find a survival course in your area.

Packing supplied for a few weeks isn't going to help you as you will face other problems like other humans, wild animals, weather. 1-2 weeks of food will go fast so whats the next step?

Australia sounds cool.

rise up...everything that is, had it's moment when it was not....you do not need to physically fight anything, no gun, no knife, stick nor sword. The battle is for your mind and your thoughts is what they seek...will you have the strength to hold on? or will perceptions of that which is false be allowed to bore into your brain? Know thy enemy and thy shall know thine burden, until you find illuminated mind share that will spread light down upon that which has you confused, you will continue to see long shadows cast in the dark, greys on black masked in the far reaches of your mind, figments of imagination not fit to materialize, becoming your everything....do you fear the snake, the fangs or the venom?

http://www.icompositions.com/music/song.php?sid=185850

okay Deepak Oprah, i think you wandered into the lotus flowers again.

IMO the best thing to do beyond learning and practicing survival skills and combat training/good PT, is to move to a place where you can effectively stand and fight. Find a militia, join; just make sure you have something to contribute. Learn basic skills to the best of your ability like blacksmithing, carpentry, mechanics, etc. Learn how to live without electricity, read maps.. .most of you know this but not everyone realizes what they will have to learn to go without.... there is no where that will be untouched by this man made catastrophe when it all ends.

Good luck leaving earth.

Kind of reminds me of the cowardly Mexicans running away from their country instead of staying and fighting to make things better.

If I knew that people should actually do something I would stay. But all we do is talk, no action.

Best you can do is think it through. Think of everything you'll be leaving behind. Think of your friends, family, whatever pets you may have. Personal items too. Think about how prepared you can be, prepared to live on your own and alone for the majority of your life without very little, if any, luxury.

You won't be able to take anything but the most necessary supplies with you. Think it thoroughly and through first before you decide to actually do this. Because once you start giving everything away and cut off all ties, there's very little chance you'll ever get it all back aside from potential, understanding people.

Just think. Because this is a major life event you're trying to bring on to yourself and you just have to know: Is it worth it?

nothing will be done by anyone.

Troll.

Why'd you do it?

Sandy Hook I mean

What?

Well somebody is being a troll. Going from I'm thinking about leaving to to stash bags and living rough on raw meat and fish in the woods? To there from an original transnational view of things?

Cancel your infowars.com subscription. You'll feel better immediately

Info wars?

dont read it, its garbage

meh, it's sometimes sensationalist, sometimes hyperbolic, but sometimes it has good information that other news sources haven't taken the time to dig up.

I find it's best to have a diverse panoply of news sources, including the ones you think are a bit out there. Sometimes, they aren't completely full of shit, and will hit on a gem that you're glad to know about.

never seen a good article from them, ever

I have. A doozy of a good one. TIt was the site where I first learned about executive order 13603, in which the executive branch grants itself the authority to seize any resources deemed necessary for the continuity of government, including forced human labor, even during peacetime, without congressional aproval, and not subjectable to judicial review.

And there is zero hyperbole in that assessment. There are actually even further reaching implications that are just as disturbing, but I don't want to get all long-winded about it right now. The full document is quite short, maybe 4 pages, and I highly recommend reading it (search: whitehouse.gov national defense resource preparedness), as it dismantles much of the bill of rights, and is effectively a secession of the executive branch from the checks and balances of the other two branches. It kinda makes worrying about the NDAA and the Patriot Act seem a bit laughable really.

Um, thats like known stuff. But I am sure the article spun it to make it sound like this is happening "in the next few months"

I've encountered very few people who are aware of the executive order. And it was already signed in March of 2012. The article was not hyperbolic about it, either. I read the full document myself and I was far more disturbed after reading it than I was reading the summary of it on Info Wars.

You've fallen into the dogmatic practice of generally condemning everything that comes from a source you dislike. Be cautious with that. Don't become one of those people whose so sure he's right and so sure others are wrong that you are unable to listen to reason.

Like I said, Info Wars does tend to be sensationalist and hyperbolic, but they have a few occassional gems that are worth noting, as with many news sources.

I rather be on the edge of the path than at the heart of it

Have you considered China? They will be running things in the world in about 20 years. It is already a gold mine of opportunity and excitement. Probably safer to be there.

I'm inclined to agree, but this kind of preparation is important because, before we can rebel and overthrow the current regime, we have to become independent of it. Right now, people cannot rise up against the machine because they are too reliant on it. Encourage everyone you know to take up gardening and to prepare a survival pack. Organize emergency procedures for you and your family and close friends, and if the internet gets turned off, put that plan into action without even waiting to find out the news by word-of-mouth.

Honestly, you'd be better off staying put. If you live in a city, i'd be making plans to relocate to some small rural town/village ASAP, but even then, you'll last longer staying than trying to survive in conditions and environments that are totally new to you. But you are right, it is something if it comes down to that.

Proof?

The southeast from Houston/Dallas over is off limits for me due to perceived heavy military presence in case anything big happens. The farm states and the mountains are my ideal retreat.