mods of conspiratards caught in a vote rigging conspiracy. sweet.

I love how they've inadvertently justified my vote-gaming paranoia about this sub. It got really bad after the Boston bombings.

I hardly think you were alone. I started /r/fringediscussion as a direct response to that. The vote brigading was actually throttling the post frequency and they were trolling the shit out of me.

Welcome to the club.

PM'd, didn't get invite.

I've never seen so much shilling in my life across numerous subreddits. I definitely knew something was up then.

The same pictures pointing out triangles in every day pictures and mocking was really getting hard to even glance at, it belongs on r/cringepics.

/r/cringepics

Oh god, u/linkfixerbot is reproducing.

Wondering where /u/LinkFixerBot went? I am too ):

I think part of the reason it got bad because people from all over reddit flocked and raided this sub.

implying it has stopped and not intensified

No, it definitely died down. Anyone can agree with that.

Forgot about the Olive Garden thread huh?

With all their delicious and endless breads and soups?

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Mmmm, piss. Tastes like the soup.

No soup piss for YOU.

That's cool, I filled up on breadsticks, anyway.

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Not just endless, but never ending bread sticks, with a buttery garlic topping. How does Olive Garden stay in business putting out such delicious food at such reasonable prices!

Also their staff is really friendly and glad to bring you as many of the delicious garlic Olive Garden^© Breadsticks, which are always hot because the servers are so on top of their game. The last time I was there, today, the cute server totally gave me the eye. I'm pretty sure she wants to rustle my jimmies, if ya know what I mean!

She's just leading you on hoping you'll come back for dinner sometime and order an actual meal you cheap fuck. Yeah, they appreciate you enjoying soup and salad lunch all of the time but order and actual entree every now and then. But while your there she is obligated to treat you like family, family she wants to secretly bone.

Order a what? Is it free and courteous? And how'd you know this took place in West Virginia?

What are you talking about? Someone doxed the olive garden OP and shared the findings with the mods. Turned out to be absolutely true. I saw the newspaper article about the house burning down and the OP's FB page.

Sure it's free publicity for OG, but there was nothing false about it. What happened was what the OP said happened, and it happened to him (it was his father's house, they did get their meal comped.)

Link to the Olive Garden thread?

Here is the original thread. Some internet marketer did an AMA saying it was a textbook fake, and /r/HailCorporate led a pitchfork brigade.

That shit was openly insidious. Almost as bad as the Boston fallout.

It's so perfectly meta.

It's not really a conspiracy, it's not even slightly a secret. They link to threads basically vote brigading to the extreme.

implying a bold and open conspiracy isn't still a conspiracy

Not at all my implication, but thanks.

Regardless, to your point, a conspiracy, by definition, is secret. There were no secrets with the way they would vote game, it was very public.

Sorry to be pedantic, but by definition, conspiracy is not necessarily in secret. It often is but is not always.

con·spire [kuhn-spahyuhr] Show IPA verb, con·spired, con·spir·ing. verb (used without object) 1. to agree together, especially secretly, to do something wrong, evil, or illegal: They conspired to kill the king.

note that the first definition of "conspiracy" links to "conspiring", and also that there are multiple definitions, not all of which involve secrecy.

It can be a conspiracy and still be absolutely public.

/Shrug. Thats what I get for being Swedish and using the common definition of a word.

I don't think what /r/conspiratard did is conspiring, it's just childish. Vote gaming is not some evil plot, it's just something immature redditors do to try and make their point seem more meaningful (even when they are totally wrong.)

Vote gaming is not some evil plot, it's just something immature redditors do to try and make their point seem more meaningful (even when they are totally wrong.)

There is some potential evidence that it's not "just" something immature redditors do. You can keep making that assumption, though.

And I wouldn't say the common definition of conspiracy is implicating of secrecy.

And I wouldn't say the common definition of conspiracy is implicating of secrecy.

How so?

There is some potential evidence that it's not "just" something immature redditors do. You can keep making that assumption, though.

What do you mean? As in having paid outside help to influence vote gaming? Where is the potential evidence for this?

If you could please refrain from being so condescending, that would be fantastic.

I'm really interested though how you can say that the common definition of a conspiracy does not imply secrecy. If the definition literally says "especially secretly" would that not immediately imply secrecy?

I think you are under the impression that I'm asking rhetorical questions; I wasn't born in America or speaking English, so these are things I'm actually asking you.

If you could please refrain from being so condescending, that would be fantastic.

Uhh, what? Very confused where you got it from that I was being condescending.

When a definition says "especially" this or that, it's saying in many or most cases, but not all cases. Thus it's not the case that the word 'conspiracy' inherently implies secrecy. Yes, it literally says "especially secretly", which automatically implies that there are times when secrecy is not involved. And, again, it's only a few of the many definitions that even mention secrecy, so this shows even further that it's not inherent in a conspiracy that it be secret. Two people can 'conspire' to make a cake.

Etymologically 'conspire' is from Old French conspirer (14c.), from Latin conspirare "to agree, unite, plot," literally "to breathe together" or perhaps the notion is "to blow together" musical instruments, i.e., "To sound in unison." (www.etymonline.com)

I was not under any impression about your attitude regarding "rhetorical questions" so I have no idea where you got that from.

And finally, the evidence you're asking about is not only in this very topic thread, it's also found in many places around reddit. Encouraging people to do a thing and then having them actually go and execute that action = conspiracy, whether or not it's a "bunch of immature redditors" doing it.

I suspect you divined from my post that I was being 'condescending' because of some inherent insecurity, because I literally said nothing which was condescendingly put to you. In fact I apologized at the very beginning of my post:

Sorry to be pedantic, but by definition, conspiracy is not necessarily in secret. It often is but is not always.

so, yeah

I suspect you divined from my post that I was being 'condescending' because of some inherent insecurity, because I literally said nothing which was condescendingly put to you. In fact I apologized at the very beginning of my post:

It came later on, telling me to keep making an assumption for asking a question is a rather condescending way of answering a question, at least, in my eyes.

When a definition says "especially" this or that, it's saying in many or most cases, but not all cases. Thus it's not the case that the word 'conspiracy' inherently implies secrecy. Yes, it literally says "especially secretly", which automatically implies that there are times when secrecy is not involved. And, again, it's only a few of the many definitions that even mention secrecy, so this shows even further that it's not inherent in a conspiracy that it be secret. Two people can 'conspire' to make a cake.

I understand that, but that's not how the word is commonly used.. If you were to hear the word "conspiracy" do you think about two people conspiring to make a cake? There's a reason when you google the word, /r/conspiracy is one of the first things to come up.

I was not under any impression about your attitude regarding "rhetorical questions" so I have no idea where you got that from.

I didn't mean to say you were, I just felt had to make it more well known when you made a comment that seemed so condescending to me.

so, yeah

This is what I meant ;)

Etymologically 'conspire' is from Old French conspirer (14c.), from Latin conspirare "to agree, unite, plot," literally "to breathe together" or perhaps the notion is "to blow together" musical instruments, i.e., "To sound in unison." (www.etymonline.com)

I understand words have origins, but in today's language, you're telling me that the "common" definition of a conspiracy isn't it being used to imply secrecy, and unlawfulness?

sigh

You said by definition it includes secrecy. It doesn't necessarily imply secrecy in all definitions of the word according to dictionary.com. There are multiple definitions which do not include secrecy. How is this hard to understand?

Yeah, the common usage implies conspiracy. But you appealed to definition originally, not common usage.

In common usage, the phrase "begging the question" is used to say "with this piece of evidence, the question then becomes so and so". But this is not, by definition, what begging the question actually is.

It came later on, telling me to keep making an assumption for asking a question is a rather condescending way of answering a question, at least, in my eyes.

It wasn't for asking a question, it was for making a claim. Feel free to go back and read the exchange.

You said by definition it includes secrecy. It doesn't necessarily imply secrecy in all definitions of the word according to dictionary.com. There are multiple definitions which do not include secrecy. How is this hard to understand?

It's not... I said the common definition. When people hear conspiracy, what do they think?

Yeah, the common usage implies conspiracy. But you appealed to definition originally, not common usage.

Yes, and then when you pointed it out, I immediately apologized for misunderstanding because of my native language.

It wasn't for asking a question, it was for making a claim. Feel free to go back and read the exchange.

I did. I meant just in this case, with that sub, that vote gaming in this instance is just immature redditors trying to mock our sub.

To be emphatically clear; I realize I didn't factor in less commonly used definitions of the word conspiracy. I am just now defending my point that when people use the word conspiracy, it is commonly used in the "secrecy plot" sense.

It's not... I said the common definition. When people hear conspiracy, what do they think?

I guess I would say that "common definition" is not the same as "common usage".

To be emphatically clear; I realize I didn't factor in less commonly used definitions of the word conspiracy. I am just now defending my point that when people use the word conspiracy, it is commonly used in the "secrecy plot" sense.

And when people use the phrase "begging the question", they are commonly using it incorrectly. So yeah, in common usage it implies secrecy. That doesn't mean secrecy is inherent to the definition. But I see it was just an issue of semantics. Common usage is different from definition/common definition. Begging the question doesn't mean "the next question in light of evidence" yet commonly it is used that way. It's still incorrect.

I guess I would say that "common definition" is not the same as "common usage".

I'm sorry but I really don't understand this. I see why they're not the exact same thing, but how do they not imply the same thing?

So yeah, in common usage it implies secrecy. That doesn't mean secrecy is inherent to the definition. But I see it was just an issue of semantics. Common usage is different from definition/common definition

Yeah, I see that now. I honestly wasn't aware there was another definition of conspiracy that was similar to the main definition, but without using secrecy in the definition.

I know there are plenty of expressions used incorrectly, English is incredibly hard to learn (I still consider myself at about a 3 out of 10 in terms of understanding this language) I just wasn't defending my initial point, once you pointed out the definition thing, I was on board with what you were saying.

the main definition

there is no main definition. that's part of the point. you are perceiving that it's the 'main' definition because of common usage.

You're pretty damn good at English though, gotta say. At least it's rather easy to understand you. Probably easier than most native speakers.

there is no main definition. that's part of the point. you are perceiving that it's the 'main' definition because of common usage.

So in English, the more common usage isn't considered the 'main' definition of the word?

I've been in America for a little bit, and they teach English in primary and secondary, just it's not really a main focus. The language is brutal to learn, so I tend to ask a lot of questions so I can really understand a concept.

I guess some people would say that. I wouldn't say that. I was never taught that there was a "main" definition that I can remember. I'm philosophically minded so I tend to demand definitions because they're generally very elusive unless someone lays it out clearly and distinctly. There's nothing more frustrating than talking to people for hours and seeing that they think we agree about something, but knowing in my heart and mind that we don't agree because we were just speaking nonsense to each other since all our definitions were not aligned.

There is some potential evidence

Show it to us, you enlightened individual.

Look at the fucking thread topic, you dense collection of matter.

Show us evidence.

You asked for potential evidence. Look in the thread topic.

"Potential evidence". Are you for real? Saying there is "potential" evidence is like saying "I guess there could be evidence for that, then again I don't have any and I'm so comfortable with my preformed opinions that neither do I want nor do I search for it."

Show us evidence. Or just admit you don't have any proof already.

I was literally only giving you what you asked for. Please look at your post. I never said there was definite evidence.

There is some potential evidence

Show it to us, you enlightened individual.

It = potential evidence. That's what you asked for. I told you where to find it. Now stop talking to me.

oh, but a quick google lends us this which is more potential, yes potential evidence. I use the word potential because I'm always skeptical. http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread659820/pg1

abovetopsecret.com

Fucking lol.

You still don't have any evidence, yet you somehow feel the need to talk about evidence albeit with a "clever" (clever to people like you that is) disclaimer resulting in a sentence literally devoid of any sense and meaning whatsoever. Almost pathological if you ask me.

? you asked for potential evidence and I gave you multiple instances of it. what the fuck do you want? did you even read the reddit posts linked to on the website, or are you the one who is unable to see beyond your preconceived notions? redditors in those threads on /r/politics and /r/worldnews clearly acknowledge that there's vote gaming going on.

If anybody is pathological here it's you. You ask for potential evidence then get upset when I give it to you multiple times. What do you fucking expect, NBC or ABC to have a report on vote gaming on reddit? dear god you are dense as fuck.

Please learn to read.

probably the most predictable response you could have given me. thanks. enjoy your television set, drone.

You'll be disappointed to know that 2 have been reinstated and are back to shilling for the global reptilian NWO.

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiratard/comments/1frp5b/the_demise_of_the_conspiratard_mod_team_is/

There was no conspiracy! Just the actions of individuals. I mean how could they keep such a thing secret!

I keeed.

But were they really? Is there any real proof of this? Or did they maybe just piss off a reddit admin who happens to like alex jones or ron paul?

they are a hate group bent on harassing us because we question the world around us. they regularly post links to discussions on this sub for the sole purpose of derailing the conversation. Even if there is no proof, they had it coming.

Okay, but a lot people in this sub do the same kind of things. Harassing people who dare to question a conspiracy theory instead of taking it as an undeniable truth... Even if there's no proof, do the mods of /r/conspiracy have a ban coming?

Unlike the banned offenders.

A recent example of blatant vote-gaming/trolling condoned by that group:

• http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiratard/comments/1fn6lv/someone_mentions_dr_pepper_in_the_title_hail/

Follow the link and check out the voting. It's so obvious. That whole subreddit needs to be banned, not just the mods.

As if /r/nolibswatch is any better, the only difference is there's less of you nutters to make an impact.

Keep swinging. No one believes anything you guys say.

They don't need to believe, they can visit your subreddit and see it in action.

I fail to see any evidence of trolling or vote rigging. Unless you want to start accusing all of the non /r/conspiratard members who replied of being sock puppets. /r/HailCorporate gets invoked a ridiculous amount. Hell, I've seen it invoked in /r/gaming which, if I remember deals with products almost entirely made my large corporations!

http://www.reddit.com/r/NolibsWatch/comments/u7t0a/wherein_robotevil_perfectly_demonstrates_the_full/

i haven't seen a link from this sub posted by a mod dedicated to ridiculing a particular member, but i could have easily missed it.

people get whats coming to them. if mods from this sub were engaged in the same activity, i would expect them to get the same consequences. Anyone who blindly believes Alex Jones is just another sheep, not a conspiracy theorist.

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Not a hate group. Not paid.

Ever think its just a group of people that get a laugh out of the wild speculation and anti-science bs posted in this sub?

Think you have science based claims for real? Go over to r/skeptic and see what they think... Or are all skeptics shills too?

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Perhaps. Maybe I just don't take reddit seriously enough? At least we agree its not a hate group. Personally I would rather talk to people that disagree with me. Makes for much more interesting conversation.

Nobody is getting paid to disagree with you. That's a power fantasy of the most immature kind.

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Jesus, how removed from reality must one be to think the person without paranoid fantasies is the mental one?

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You described conspiratard as "paid mercenaries". Sorry if I misunderstood, but that's what it seemed like to me.

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The core members of conspiratard have a long history and many observers have agreed over decades that the core people are paid, ever since they Digg days running brigades to influence the public view. Otherwise, they would have to be insane fanatics to spend so much time over so long running that kind of operation in support of the neocons and Israel. Although the key core people ARE sociopaths.

most rigged sub is still r/science. the moderators are crooked and driven by political agendas, not science.

r/worldnews is pretty off-putting. You can make a comment and return to 20 downvotes and 0 replies. I honestly don't know if it's orchestrated or flocking of shit gulls.

It's mostly the shit gulls, Randy.

Coming straight from the Shitabyss

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They even made an analogous subreddit that they tightly censor and control:

/r/WorldEvents (see the mods)

Actually that sub looks like a good place to get the 'official story'

Exactly.

Worldnews and politics has it's own shill brigades.

Proof?

Well it depends on how radical of a comment you post.

Nah, /r/politics is full of pro-Obama shills. Well, it's not even just Obama, it's pro-propaganda in general.

Especially in the lead up to any big election. The 6 months to a year before any major presidential election that place is heavily patrolled by paid shills which then seem to magically disappear a few days after the election.

Maybe it's just people getting riled up for a new president, and then having him and finding out he's not an archangel? Please apply some Occam's Razor here.

Certainly it's some of both.

How can you say that it's certain? Is there proof I missed, or is the "paid shills" assumption just something you accept as true because you're told it's true?

Well, it is common knowledge that the US Military uses sockpuppets to influence discussions and spread pro-US propaganda on foreign social media sites. I don't think anybody has officially admitted that this technology is used domestically, but it isn't that much of a stretch to think that private organizations would.

The better question is: why do you think political campaigns would admit to gaming social media?

Anyway there are plenty of services out there that specifically game reddit. Head over to /r/hailcorporate for more information.

Shiiiiiiill!!

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You know you're a motherfuckin dope when you think modern political campaigns don't game social media.

Seriously. Like half the shills at a certain "top secret" forum.

"paid shills don't exist...." lol

I had a look through /r/politics when I first joined Reddit, about a year ago. I spent about 20mins there, looking through the propaganda porn.. looking for something associated with Anonymous, until I realized, I must leave this subreddit, fast, before I kill someone.

top lel

Pro-propaganda, eh? Much like this one?

Not quite as bad as the paranoia propaganda here, no. /r/politics is skewed towards Obama mostly because the majority of Americans (see: majority of redditors) are Democrats and think he's an alright president.

They seemed to oppose Bush propaganda back in the day, no? I think it's more pro-Dem or anti-Rep (hard to distinguish) True Believers than pro-propaganda.

Examples? Evidence?

Edit: down-voting something asking for evidence says a lot

You won't ever get evidence in here. The closest you will get is a rude advice to "do the research yourself".

Do you have any examples of how it's rigged, or are you just making things up that fit your agenda. I don't frequent /r/science all that often, as the news is generally fairly old, but I've never seen an example of corrupt moderation.

They delete bullshit which means that people posting about how fluoride is a mind control drug or how the holocaust never happened get their posts deleted.

If you post reliable sources with those comments they won't be removed, I promise you

Really? That's what you're going with, is it?

Well I still haven't seen any evidence, and I'll agree that's the only type of comment that I see removed (and other blatantly unscientific nonsense).

BUT GMO'S ARE GOING TO KILL US ALL!!!!! ಠ_ಠ

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You go first.

Not sure where you're quoting that from so I'm assuming you're trying to discredit me by pulling a quote out of your ass and pretending it was me.

Please, no personal attacks.

Oh my god /r/science deletes bullshit posts, mods are doing their jobs.

How is it bad?

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De-/b/-ification of r/science is a good thing.

/r/science

who gets to judge between 'bullshit' and 'real' science...pretty sure a few hundred years ago 'scientists' scoffed at the idea of 'tiny little animals' that you can't see caused disease...

Peer review and not from sites like thegovernmenthatesu.com

Or maybe it's /r/conspiracy

/r/science is rigged? wow

how do you know?

i would argue r/art is the worst place on reddit...more than just myself have gotten the highbrow bums rush "we only discuss art here" :p

r/conspirtards are labeled as 'tards so they at least have truth in advertising...

/r/art

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/r/science

Sounds about right. Such is the case with science not only in reddit, but on the planet in general.

How about /r/skeptic? Where being a skeptic means agreeing completely with the prevailing opinions.

No, it means not taking any old baseless dissenting opinion as fact. I know those two things can be confusing to some people.

No it doesn't. It means don't bring your argument to court with out actual evidence.

That sub is one of my favorite oxymorons. It should be named r/FaithInAuthority.

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Reported as spam.

He does a lot more for this site than you do, scrub

Not true, mean-name.

That's horrible and shocking. At lest that doesn't ever happen in "real world" science. lol

From your comment, I'm now absolutely certain that you are not in a scientific field nor do you know anything about how the field works.

And from your comment I can say the same.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Short_History_of_Nearly_Everything

Read it.

I don't understand your point or how it's relevant.

They questioned science as something controlled by political agendas, but in science results are published, regardless of agenda, unless your science is unsound and fails peer review processes. Never have I heard of some results being buried for some political reason outside of the conspiracy crowd.

I'm also definitely in science, considering I'm a biologist, but you're free to assume what you'd like about me, just as I'm free to assume whatever I'd like about you.

You should read the book. Bryson is far from the "conspiracy crowd". The scientific community and ever-shifting science orthodoxy is definitely political to a fault.

ever-shifting science orthodoxy

Isn't that a contradiction? You can argue that they're wrong because their claims change or that they're wrong because their claims don't change, but you can hardly say both things at once.

Also, why are you generalizing all scientists as though they had a single coordinated agenda? Even further, suggesting that science is a single body of dogmatic "because I said so" claims is more than a little silly.

Perhaps 'establishment' would be a less bothersome word than 'orthodoxy'.

Again, I highly recommend the book linked above.

And how many of these mods were ejected in the recent mod purge, only to be reintegrated into the mod staff unceremoniously a week later?

Of course we're compromised. But if we let that stop us from asking questions and having discussion, then we're fucked.

At least they weren't involved in banning users from their sub who disagreed with their ideas and asked for proof.. That is something you were quite active in when you and some other users w/out open minds started a conspiracy sub. The number of hypocrites in the conspiracy community is outrageous...

who disagreed with their ideas and asked for proof

Yeh right, they were blatant trolls/shills who posted here to stir up drama. They add nothing of value to this sub

Because asking for proof, or being a skeptic means you are a troll or a shill!

but that's not what they were doing at all and you know it

I havent been keeping up with the all the recent drama here, but in the past I, and other people have been called shills constantly. Ask for proof? Shill. Disagree? Shill.

This is the first time Ive been back to this subreddit since that big disgusting "people vocally disagreeing with me violates my right to free speech" circlejerk. In which, several selfposts got massive amounts of upvotes for arguing that /r/conspiracy should be a no-disagreement hugbox, lest we lose our strong atmosphere of free thinking.

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that sophistry

Surely not another sockpuppet account.

The irony in this comment is unbearable.

going out of your way and trying to bury the truth makes you a shill.

i dance on the grave of /r/conspiratard. plenty of us watched this slow motion car wreck for years. end the lies forever.

Asking for proof of a theory and being skeptical of skepticism is highly irrational behavior.

Asking for proof of a theory is irrational behavior

Really? So, what, I should just believe whatever bullshit conspiracy theorists spew out of their mouths?

being skeptical of skepticism is highly irrational behavior.

Conspiracy theorists are not skeptics.

I should just believe whatever bullshit conspiracy theorists spew out of their mouths

No, you should consider them without reflexively dismissing them by demanding proof.

Conspiracy theorists are not skeptics.

LOL. You mean "Skeptics™".

I'm not sure which is worse.. Having someone ignorant chime in from time to time / downvote ridiculous theories, or MODs who ban users that disagree with the narrative being discussed..

I dunno about you, but I can tolerate a few trolls.. What I can't stand are mods(a few from this sub) create another sub, invite everyone, then ban those who question their theories. In my opinion MODs like that are much doing more damage than the conspiritards.. Sad thing is the MODs I am referring to are still mods here in r/conspiracy. There needs to be a new election process here at r/conspiracy so we can get rid of the MODs who are shills.

How is crossposting gaming the votes? The subreddit specifically links the craziest, least evidence based stuff that you guys post (which applies to almost everything here, now that I think about it). There's no asking people to downvote things, just pointing out some of the more hilariously ignorant and uninformed posts from the subreddit (and around the internet in general).

That people are going to the subreddit and then voting of their own free will? I fail to see how it's vote brigading to link a post to like minded individuals (kind of like how every post on /r/conspiracy is a post for like minded individuals). Sure they might go out and vote negatively because they generally feel the same way about conspiratorial subjects, but that doesn't mean that someone is going out and telling them to downvote.

I use the subreddit and downvote posts whenever the content is incredibly misinformed (I've seen tons of blatantly incorrect biology, for example, which bothers me as a biologist) or is exceptionally racist/anti-semetic (you have to admit, your sub harbors a ton of what basically amounts to Nazis). Those are all of my free will. When someone posts some stupid shit about "911 truth" sure I disagree and think its a load of shit, but I don't downvote that because I don't care about it. Everything I downvote is because I want to downvote it, not because I'm somehow being told to downvote your posts or upvote "friends" (I don't actually use the sub enough to know any usernames anyway).

It sounds to me like you're jumping to conclusions without knowing the evidence (go figure). Maybe some people are brigading, maybe they aren't, but it seems silly and overly authoritarian to ban anyone who makes a crosspost.

If you replaced the word conspiratards with "niggers" you guys would be indistinguishable from /r/niggers.

That quite a stretch. And your persecution complex is showing.

You would rather talk to polite nazi... Than a troll... Wow

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Yeah I'm leaving this sub, I've noticed so much racism, sexism... Just so much low minded crap here that its ruined r/conspiracy for me.

I'm in the same boat as jmalbo35. I don't downvote something here unless it's truly stupid or bigoted. I'm nobody's puppet either. If a mod at /r/conspiratard requested a vote brigade I would ignore them.

If you replaced the word conspiratards with "niggers" you guys would be indistinguishable from /r/niggers

Seriously?

Being a conspiracy theorist is the same as being black? Tell me how oppressed you are.

That's not "vote gaming" -- that's how the internet works.

Also, people who disagree with you are not trolls. Neither are people who ask for proof for claims being made. Neither are those who don't accept flimsy proof.

"fucking nutcases should go die" -- yeah, that's a troll (or just a jerk.)

But you are all nutcases in here, don't get me wrong.

It's evident from context.

Right. I must be a paid shill.

Nah, you've got amateur written all over you. ;)

rude comments like:

obliqueracism 18 points 6 hours ago

So reddit has a few less 16 yr old brains in jars. Who's going to lick the windows now?

Are fine though right? Don't act like your shit doesn't stink when this cesspool of a subreddit caters to some of the most offensive stuff I've heard people say, not in the least the snarky 'enlightened' attitude.

For the record, I've been subscribed to /conspiritard for a while now. I've never been urged nor inclined to downvote something other than my own free will and when I have joined the discourse here, I've been met with downvotes due to holding a contrarian viewpoint and have been called a shill multiple times. Let's not forget the whole downvote bot rigamarole - that shit hit me too.

Edit: Alright, bit too ragey but my points stand, albeit a little crassly. I lied about the never been urged to downvote anything too - see

Hey darrel, long time no see. Like the edit, upvoted.

Now then, hope all's well.

I've never once posted in r/conspiratard. So, please don't put me in the same boat with them.

edit: When you started that joke of a sub called /r/conspiracyV2 (before you made it private) you made a thread saying you had "PROOF" that the Boston Bombings were staged. That there were actors, and make-up artists setting up the scene. I posted saying if that were the case, both bomb areas would have had to been blocked off to civilians.. Thus making each person have credentials to be in the "blast zone" to do the make-up/act. Your proof was a montage of military drills using amputee actors.. Mind you shows ZERO proof of the Boston Bombing being staged.

SO, I proceed to ask you for a source to what you were proposing. You didn't provide the source, but you did ban me from the sub. I honestly wasn't surprised. The best part is on the right your sub said some thing like "A place for open discussion" which was clearly bullshit. A place for open discussion as long as they are agreeing with what you believe, lol.

You were actually inviting people to come over to the sub, so one could only assume you were apart of it's conception. You also had "r/conspiracyV2" in your flair for a short period after it's birth. Anyway, you were the author of the thread I am referring to.. Maybe you were just posting whatever you could to start discussions, but you were the author. I was also banned after I asked for the source.. Maybe you didn't ban me, but I only assume it was you cause we were having the discussion on one of the 8+ threads you had posted.

You are mistaking /u/Flytape for /u/OWNTheNWO.

No, no, no. You're the same as the last flock of people calling for a mod change again which isn't needed. We don't want any people infiltrating the modship here like what's happened on several other subs on Reddit. The mods removed people from /r/conspiritard posting bullshit here not for discussion but to undermine this place. A few well placed calls for mod change followed those posts but you could smell it from a mile away.

I don't think you understands the mindset of some of the more extreme conspiritards do you?

I may not understand the extreme conspiritards, but having MODs like 9000sins and Flytape is just as bad as the trolls that visit from r/conspiritard.

I've honestly only visited conspiritard sub once or twice and that was because someone linked it in a thread here in r/conspiracy. I don't know how extreme they can be, but I honestly just ignore trolls.

I do think there are some GREAT mods here at r/conspiracy, but a couple of them have rubbed me the wrong way just for challenging their theory..

Having someone ignorant chime in from time to time / downvote ridiculous theories

And this is how I not only know your post is bullshit, but you are butthurt about having your precious game halted.

Get outside, put your feet up, and vigorously go fuck yourself. You've earned it.

What game are you talking about? If you're trying to say I am from conspiratard, then I'm afraid you're mistaken. I've maybe been there twice in my entire reddit career. One of those few visits came from seeing this thread in r/conspiracy. Check my post history and you will see. Good job looking ill-informed.

At least they weren't involved in banning users from their sub who disagreed with their ideas and asked for proof..

On the contrary, they've done exactly this countless times.

Your flair is apt.

I did misread. Apologies.

But I see jcm267 got cleared. Just like 9000sins was reinstated with all his buddies after shitting around the sub and bitching about getting spanked for trying to rule like a dictator. I think it's a valid point about how mods who get fingered for wrong doing still end up in the system. Sounds the same as government, don't it?

Like everyone's least favorite gimmick poster always(only) says: "Nothing will be done by anyone."

But you've provided actual evidence that they link to this sub.

That alone should mean you don't believe it.

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I really did not expect illuminatedwax to put those asshats back in power after what they were okay with 9000sins doing.

All of that nonsense was fucked up. And they're right back running things again.

I think they're doing a fine job. The disruption troll problem has abated. What's the problem exactly?

They are conspiratard trolls?

If you look around the internet in regards to conspiracy forums or sites there is always some fucking mod fuckign something up. /r/conspiracy was great and worked great for a long time and would continue to be great because of THE VOTING SYSTEM! I know its bullshit and can be gamed like everything but in reality it made this little corner of internet IMHO just a little different and therefore better. Now just like every fucking other site we have a few dumbass kids who have enough time to stick their nose in everything and fuck it up. Just let it be. NO need for forgiveness I did not apologize. /rant

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yea reddit is gettin old anyways, the new digg with even more suppression

But we vote on the few preselected options just like in a real democracy!

its was good for a while but it sounds like that its for the lifespan of this, back to popurls

Never heard of popurls... Just checked it out and it seems pretty cool. Is there a mobile app? A store search returned no results

Seems like there's just a mobile version of the site. I'll play with it but, while we're in /r/conspiracy, I'm not really sure how I feel about the sources it's aggregating. Like the Reddit one, where is it pulling those posts from? Or the NY Times which is straight up garbage. I dunno, I think we just need a refreshed Reddit style situation that hasn't been corrupted or bought by Conde Nast.

A Reddit clone possibly?

Though from what I've read, there is allot of complicated things going on behind the scenes on the Reddit servers....

Eternal September is a side-effect of success. Mob rule is governed by the lowest-common denominator.

/U/TheReturnsofNoLibs

you would be correct sir, it appears he has been re-banned already too!

Also /u/GranpaNL. Banned.

Does this sub have the 1 month time requirement on accounts?

We tried that and talked about it - but the backlash was big...

I personally am in favor of it.

Me too. The pros and cons weigh heavily in the favor of trolls, especially those trying to circumvent bans.

Me three I say reimplement this, tell the butt devestated trolls to piss off.

Should be a 3 month to comment. Able to view immediately.

I'm not concerned wit hthe opinions of real 16 year olds - what I am interested in is the sockpuppets from Eglin.

What a bunch of scumbags. That seems like such a waste of their time. What's their objective?

It's hard to tell what percentage of them are losers and what percentage are paid shills.

Well, if you were a Digg user you'll remember some of the names. They seem to have made a career out of it.

http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/internet_digg_bury_the_bury_brigade.htm

This is from 2007 and some of the usernames are still active here on Reddit.

Exactly.

These fuckers RUINED Digg. I am seething with hate just thinking about how Digg political discussion tanked after these social media whores showed up and gamed the system with their bullshit.

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definitely self-obsessed pride

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yeah, pathetic like thinking they could take over and destroy Occupy Wall Street:

http://i.imgur.com/f10tQ.jpeg

http://www.reddit.com/r/NolibsWatch/comments/ujok9/the_person_who_modded_the_neocons_in/

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/qo4la/look_who_just_became_moderators_for_ows/

and this trope:

http://www.reddit.com/r/YouShouldKnow/comments/pkorn/ysk_rworldofpancakes_is_a_sick_inside_joke_about/

that is a real certain kind of "pathetic"...you could probably go insane staring at this moral black hole for too long.

I think their reasoning is that they were brand names and could use that to establish authority. I.e. using it to help crush newbie opposition. Plus some of them have narcissistic personality disorder together with their antisocial personality disorder, these often run in parallel. The shell becomes a symbol of their power. Which is why Josh crows his longevity so much.

I have absolutely no idea on that.

Is it a conicidence they run /r/AlexJones and put lipstick on in the dark over Infowars which they rabidly downvote here and have reported Infowars links so much for spam, that Reddit is now autoflagging their links as spam.

At least a few were from the Israeli disinfo project, based on their interest patterns.

JIDF

I've never seen anything at that subreddit that was even mildly funny or interesting. I just don't get it.

Their goal appears to have been to disinform, dissuade, and deflect.

No, the point is to laugh about the downright absurd "conspiracy" "theories" that get posted here and elsewhere on the internet.

The same way places like /r/badphilosophy, /r/badlinguistics or /r/cringe work.

So you are a spokesman for this group of shills are you?

We wish we got paid for debunking silly conspiracy theories. But we don't, sadly. Our only satisfaction is chuckles.

You guys sound like a bunch of teenage chicks.

I fail to see how that's a bad thing. Do you hate women?

lol

Thanks for making it easy.

They're working to make the world a better place by volunteering for the CIA.

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Also to promote wars against Israel's neighbors.

LOL, or... Ya know... Laugh at stupid shit similar to what YOU just said. Have you been to that subreddit?

O B S E S S I O N

You're obviously not a 16 year old hipster.

Since I have no comment history for perusal, I offer a brief introduction of myself as a prelude to my comment.

I was an active participant in this subreddit (r/conspiracy) for the better part of 3 years before I finally broke my reddit addiction. I maintain a couple of my old usernames (you only have one? you're an exception to the rule, then), but only on a periodic basis to prevent forfeiture of a subreddit I [don't] moderate. Under previous usernames, I have been very critical of some of the mods here, but have also been very aware of the NoLibs, r/conspiratard, and r/SRD invasions of this subreddit - in fact, I've made top of the front page of BOTH r/conspiratard and r/SRD at least once if not more than once.

But I'm here, now, posting this comment as my tribute to members of this community who befriended me in my early days (some of whom are now inactive as well) and allowed me to get my "sea legs" (so to speak) on reddit. You, friends, will recognize my voice and hear the clarity of my perspective (untarnished by any of the immediacy of the current drama).

We've known about these people for a long time. Prior to the revamp(s) of the moderation of this subreddit which began a little over a year and a half ago, we dealt with them ... all of them... on a per comment basis. This was an unregulated, unmoderated battleground for truth - it was THE battleground. And, as much as we battled "those guys", we also battled our own inner demons (anyone remember the infamous Johnny_Cash?)... again, on a per comment basis.

After the moderator selections last spring, this subreddit changed, due in large part to one particular moderator's participation in r/conspiratard - yes, I'm talking about 9000sins. He goes there and establishes mildly taunting dialogue with those cretins, which has the direct result of drawing more of their attention to this subreddit. And, it has been a very vicious, repetitive cycle of inter-subreddit drama ever since.

While I appreciate the fact that the admins are seriously looking into this issue (gaming the vote), I also hold one moderator of THIS subreddit accountable for the current state of affairs in this inter-subreddit relationship. 9000sins fed the trolls on a very regular basis. And, not only did he feed them here in r/conspiracy, he actually went to their home turf (thus out of sight of most of the members of this sub) to keep them well-fed... to keep the drama ("waaa. they're downvoting me!") flowing. ("let's make rules based on the behavior I'm eliciting from r/conspratard! a whole long list of them!")

tl;dr: While you may want to revel in the demise (or at least intense scrutiny) of the r/conspiratard-ians, take care that you don't overlook the big picture of what's been going on in BOTH of these subreddits, by members of BOTH moderation teams.

peace

Weird shit goes on in here.

Should be the new subreddit motto. hehe

Flytape I think you may need to go outside for a while. Go for a walk or something, get some sunshine :-)

am half convinced that there are people who argue with themselves under multiple accounts

That could explain how I see comments posted in response to other comments in less than 30 secs. See that in /r/politics all the time.

You know, before I was a mod, I didn't pay too much attention to subjects I wasn't personally interested in. So I honestly didn't read 95% of the shit here. After I becamea mod i started to read a lot of shit here that I don't personally think holds any water. And I started keeping up with certain [...]

It wasn't until after I quit participating that I was finally able to see, with clarity, that which had been "all up in my grill" for 3 years. And while my opinions and perspectives haven't changed all that much, my disposition certainly has -- and, now, in order to retain that healthier disposition, I'll make my return to lurker mode.

Ding ding ding

It's called manufacturing consent.

I think it is pretty interesting as well. Despite having almost 150k subscribers, I really feel like I am talking to the same 20 or 30 people in most of the comment threads. Especially when you start to lean towards the more unrealistic side of the kind of stuff that gets posted here.

I can't help but ask, but did you have a hand in the banning of those mods at all? If you're able to talk about it, anyways.

tl;dr: Get 9000Sins. He is bad and should not be moderator.

I personally totally disagree with these ceaseless tries to discredit 9000Sins and take away his moderator rights.

His actions were transparent and democratic. He opened a number of self posts asking for advice on how to handle the downvote brigades from /r/conspiratard.

But of course there will be always people with the motive, to bring 9000Sins down. But it's on everyone to decide for himself, what game you really are playing.

Fair enough. I've seen 9000 make some great posts about making sure people kept their internet browsing private and great security posts.

It's good to know the history behind the conspiratard rage. I doubt it's something as simple as a friendly "forum war" though. Personally I think some of those shills are paid very, very well by corporate and political interests.

I'm not sure you can pin blame on a single person. The simple fact is reddit grew and so did conspiracy.

Conspiracy was "pure" years ago, a hidden gem with some of the most intelligent discussion held here. This fact alone, is what caused the "crash". A forum cannot exist in a pure state without attracting the attention of some 'gate keepers'. The method to destroy knowledge is always the same.

• Divide - find gray areas in rules and exploit them. Force people to chose a 'side'.
• Taint the well - add meaningless discussion, crazy theories to tarnish the legitimate ones.
• Antagonize - incite & encourage violence, create enemies among friends.
• Derogate - lower the moral by associating the group with as many negative affiliated 'pre-packaged names'. (truther, etc)
• Get Inside - Once the target site is in shambles, a white knight will appear with all the solutions and make a plea for 'modship/leadership'

This sub-reddit had met these milestones quite a while back. Watch /r/hailcorporate to see it in action now.

Let me get this straight: You're saying that the only way a forum can decline in quality is an organized conspiracy to destroy it?

Not the only way, but you are an active conspiratard which is exactly that.

You explicitly suggested that there are false flag posts making up extreme theories in order to make the subreddit look bad. Have you considered that it may actually just be people who believe those insane things (9/11 inside job, reptiles, global Zionist conspiracy, anything Alex Jones says)?

Ironic that you brought your sock puppet out to upvote yourself in a dead thread about conspiratards getting caught doing that. Try a bit harder next time.

Adorable. You seem to be under the impression that I have alts? I don't.

/r/conspiracy

/r/conspiratard

/r/SRD

/r/conspratard [404]

/r/conspiratard-ians [404]

Waste of reddit bandwidth.

Agreed!

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It's a sub dedicated to pointing out and laughing about ridiculous conspiracy theories. Which is why the people in this sub react with such pathological rage whenever it's mentioned.

By the way, two of the mods have been reinstated.

People that worship government and corporations. Zombies.

A reddit-based bigoted slur against people who are in any way distrustful of authority.

Many of them are JIDF shills who spread disinformation and lies to hide crimes done by Jewish people and the Israeli government in particular.

Can I get paid to do that?

How many shekels do you want?

/r/conspiratard

News about all things conspiracy, only from an honest perspective! 9/11, Ron Paul, Zionism, secret societies, globalist agendas! Discuss it all here!

Special Note:

Conspiratards hate free speech and religiously down-mod good submissions here, so be sure to check out the "controversial" submissions that they don't want you to see! Remember, we have the truth on our side. There is no need to resort to the same silly tactics conspiratards use. Please do not use /r/conspiratard for any call to action that would influence the vote counts for any user/subreddit. Thanks!

Orwellian doublespeak

FTFY

Yeah, the mods in /r/conspiracy would NEVER do anything like that. Right?

Are the other half alts?

Thus proving that conspiracies are everywhere..and they are the actual 'tards...

This sounds like a conspiracy!

Or how about you folks actually follow your own tropes and "Do your own research"

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiratard/comments/1fpccg/rant_so_i_was_just_banned_from_reddit/

Regular /r/conspiratard member here. I don't know what the mods do in their spare time but I've never heard of any attempt or even desire on their part to manipulate votes on any post. If anything, we prefer to see a genuine voting result because it helps prove our point that much of /r/conspiracy is willing to upvote some heinous shit.

I'm sure they'll be back and it will be interesting to see what their side of the story is.

Yeah, it seems you have no clue about your mods. Otherwise you might not want to visit that sub-Reddit anymore.

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/yquwu/you_should_know_the_moderator_gang_behind/

Why would the moderation change my opinion of the user submitted content on the subreddit?

Because all of the user-submitted content on that subreddit is curated by the moderators.

I haven't noticed it, and I'm subscribed. And why would I care if they curate it? Perhaps it makes it better fit my taste.

That's like telling me that I shouldn't use /r/funny (I don't, it isn't funny) if the mods censored things they didn't find funny and only let the funny stuff through. Sure I wouldn't get the whole picture, but maybe I subscribed because the censoring mods share my sense of humor (just as the mods of /r/conspiratard apparently share my opinion that a large amount of what is posted here is ignorant and uninformed nonsense).

I've often wondered, why would anyone subscribe to and support a community that includes a bigoted, hateful slur in its name? So stupid.

You remember when this sub had a picture basically indicating that Obama and the govt are Satan? Or how about the oodles of racism against Jewish people here? OR the wonton arguments that result to petty name calling and out right insults (from the conspiracy arguer)?

Do you like hypocrisy?

Most of that antisemitism and bigotry is probably you guys and your ceaseless black-propaganda trolling operations.

• http://www.reddit.com/r/NolibsWatch/comments/x7fd0/reps_member_criticizes_rpaul_for_having_a_top/

It takes willful ignorance to disregard the racism of this subreddit.

Well since you never saw them talk about group down voting, obviously they were banned for other reasons.

More to the point, why would they? What would they gain by making /r/conspiracy look less crazy? That's kinda our entertainment.

They group downvote (and upvote) all over reddit, not just here. They've done the same thing since they arrived here and they have a clear agenda.

why isn't there an r/ msnbc-itard? oh wait it's called r/politics, too bad it's not a joke.

Zing!

Their side of the story? Really? The mods of conspiratard are nothing more than trolls and haters. They disagree with other people's perspectives so they make a point to invade places like this with their self-rightgeous bullshit. I've dealt with a few of those guys before and they are as aggressive as they are narrow-minded. They are all that is wrong with reddit.

Oh dear lord the irony is painful.

Never said this sub was free of self-rightgeous and narrow-minded bullshit-spitters. But at least it's kept in house.

They disagree with conspiratorial thinking. They do not "invade," they show up. You are on a public forum and they are also using that forum to point of very real flaws in what's being posted/discussed. They might be crass, or even mean at times, but welcome to Reddit. That doesn't make them guilty of vote rigging.

And in a forum that is host to literal Nazis, if you think the conspiratard mods are what's wrong with reddit I can see why they'd be "aggressive."

Alright son, "invade" or "show up" it makes no difference. I'm no stranger to conspiratard. It is a sub that is a dedicated counterpoint circlejerk to r/conspiracy. they don't point out real flaws when they do post here, they just post the same tiresome refrain of "ermahgerd j00 guys are teh retards because dat shit didnt hap3n, j00 biteches are st00pid tr00ther asses bring on teh d0wnv0tes!". They rarely bring up valid counterpoints, they never post sources. They just ride up in here cry bullshit, downvote with their sockpuppet accounts, then ride back to their home subreddit to slap each other on the back and tell each other how right they are.

Now, I'm not saying they can't do that, they are clearly within their rights, but that doesn't make their actions defensible. They are not martyrs to the cause of truth, they are socially retarded fucking children. As far as the vote rigging thing goes: I can't say for sure, but as I said before, they are children and I wouldn't put it past them. Especially considering on how a few of them were allegedly apart of the problem that caused the downfall of Digg (like that ghost of nolibs faghat).

As far as there being a nazi or two here. Well, I don't like that jew hater either but to be honest you're gonna attract people like that with a sub like this (which has also gone way downhill over the last year or so).

And while I respect your defense of those dick tips, your energy is misplaced.

In all fairness there's a good amount of stuff that gets posted here that doesn't deserve a serious response. Yes, recent things about Monsanto, GMO's, or other grey-ish areas should be backed up with evidence on both sides but anti-Judaism (opps, I mean "anti-zionism"), Alex Jones parroting, and endless accusations of false-flags really don't deserve more than the most base dismissal. Once one has swollowed thoes lines, it becomes a trial to even get them to acknowledge the existence of evidence proving them wrong. Sometimes it's best just to call them stupid and move along.

Indeed, and I agree with you on most every point. Like I said before, this subreddit has lost its moxy and a lot of the shit posted here is just that. But just because one believes Mormon doctrine is full on hogwash doesn't mean one should march to the Tabernacle and and jeer at everyone there. It serves no purpose except maybe to inflate an already bloated sense of self-worth.

And that's exactly what the folks at conspiratard do. See my above comment.

One more thing, there is a clear distinction between anti-zionism and anti-judaism just as there is a difference between zionism and judaism. The whole "lol if you hate israel you hate jews therefore youre a nazi" argument is so fucking played out. Sorry, that's just a pet peeve.

Actually they aren't within their rights they are breaking Reddits global rules.

They do not "invade,"

• http://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/qren5/rows_brouhaha_recap/

• http://www.reddit.com/r/NolibsWatch/top/?sort=top&t=all

They do "invade" and it's well documented. You shouldn't lie so assertively like that. It makes your situation worse.

• Warmongering

• Extremism

• Racism

• Homophobia

The list goes on. I think there's around 700 posts now.

Umm... the fact that you are so obsessed with them as to keep track of every off-color thing they say is kinda creepy to say the least. And now that I've remembered that at least one of our mods has a subreddit dedicated to stalking them I can't help but wonder where these accusations of "vote rigging" might have come from. How's that for a conspiracy theory?

You must also think other watchdog groups are "creepy", like the ADL for example? You think they are "stalking" antisemites? Or are you just being biased? Something tells me it's the latter.

While I don't agree with all of their positions, I do think they are at least attempt to stop groups of people who have histories of genuine and real violence driven by bigotry. /r/conspiratard is not violent and does not endorse violence. We are here to mock you, not harm you.

So yes, there is a big difference between speaking out against blatant racism and stalking someone who called you mean names on the interwebs.

You can imagine that your dear subreddit is harmless all you want, doesn't change the well documented fact that the people who created and run it are heartless bigots and warmongers. They are openly trying to harm people psychologically, and in some cases they do appear to make threats of violence.

They used to (still via PM?) doxx and threaten people with violence and death regularly. It's one of the main reasons /r/NolibsWatch was created as well as why reddit.com adopted a zero-tolerance on discussing "personal information" stance.

that level of playing dumb

So what proof of this, exactly, do you have? There was ONE mod there who said that he got banned for upvoting his friends' posts, but that's it. The other user profiles that don't exist anymore have given no such indication that this has happened, nor is there any other evidence to suggest as much, from what I've seen. Even if they did, they aren't getting banned for doing anything that actually is related to this sub.

The fact that this can get so many upvotes with little evidence, and none actually in the self post, is why /r/conspiratard makes fun of this sub. Most of the time, the people here pick which parts they want to read into and end up with a very narrow picture of the real thing because they want everything to support the narrative they've chosen to believe, as is the case here with the supposed "vote gaming."

The common misconception with this subreddit, and i think one of the major driving forced behind the existence of /r/conspiratard, is that people think upvotes, or regurgitation of the information, means we believe it. Which isnt true--at least if we do believe certain things its after extensive research, not one-off articles or posts.

We upvote or regurgitate to get more information and spread the discussion. No one here denies that many of the things here are obscure, understudied, and sometimes blatantly wrong. Because of this we upvote and circulate to get the truth, to encourage discussion, To get people into the threads to debunk or support the claims. Most everyone here takes everything they read—whether its here or anywhere, whether it supports or refutes their beliefs—with a grain of salt, and most abhor that someone would just believe something because someone said it. If that wasn't the case—that we take in everything and draw our on conclusions—we'd all be out there parroting the official stories. Those who dont encourage critical thinking or think critically themselves are not helping any kind of truth movement—trusting /r/conspiracy or any 'alternative' news network or forum is just as detrimental as trusting CNN, The FDA, or a religious doctrine without question. If you think we believe everything we read here, based solely on the individual articles, i can assure you that that is not the case, at least with the overwhelming majority.

Now of course, that's not to say everyone who has seen some evidence of one or more "conspiracies" and has become convinced—often on far too little evidence—thinks this way. And that's not the say that the majority of people who beieve in one or more conspiracies think this way—I honestly couldn't tell you what the ratio is, however it'd probably be safe to assume that, like the rest of America, the majority just regurgiate what they hear as fact; it's simply a change of source from the mainstream to the alternative. But those of us who study these things, and are constantly on a quest for knowledge, almost exclusively go about things in this way. Also it's important to note, just because 'stupid' people believe something doesn't make it untrue and just because smarter people believe somethings doesn't make it true (something rarely considered by much of the scientifically literate community).

I'm not saying you should believe anything here to be truth. I have my own convictions about certain content here but I would never want you to just believe them because I said so, or because anyone said so. in fact I am specifically advocating that you remain skeptical and questioning, but please do it evenly and back it up with research—questioning the motives of both those in power and those without, not simply being skeptical of things which frighten the stability of your world view (easier said than done of course)— and not just googling "[conspiracy theory] debunked" and believing that it's false just because there is a page "debunking" it. As is the case for anyone who has actually looked at both sides of JFK or 9/11 or other thoroughly-documented-but-still not-ackowledged-as-fact 'conspiracies', you will see not only the often times flaws in logic of these 'debunking' sites but an ubiquitous lack of the whole story.

Just to give a little example of one piece of one theory, 9/11, the 'conspiracy theory' I am most well versed in: the "debunking" sites, at least the ones I've read, don't even address 10% of the 'evidence' for the 'theory', and not to mention most of 'our' evidence is 'mainstream accepted'—yet little known to most of the public. All we did was connect the dots that are already considered by to be fact. Of course, there is far more information about 9/11 in both directions, but for something which has so much concrete evidence, reading one article from a mega corporation whose main motive is profits and whose logic on the matter has serious evidence of being fundamentally flawed, or believing a government funded report which you never read and was never even peer reviewed, and just saying STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORISTS is all sorts of detrimental to you, and our nation. If we're wrong, we're wrong, but is there really so much wrong with being a check and balance to the government that no longer exists as a result of corporate control and media censorship? As a community, just like the rest of society, we're not perfect; we have our idiots, our racists, our fear-mongers, etc but that doesn't mean what we do here is useless. (see: Whats So Bad About Conspiracy Theory)

Of course, those who most need to read this, are too hopped up on how great it makes them feel to be smarter than those stupid conspiratards, they'll believe anything fucking tin foil hat wearing nut bags! but my job is to inform, not convince.

edit: spelling; made more clear

edit 2: Wall of Text initiated

edit 3: Now a thread

As a frequenter of /r/conspiratard, I must admit I've never looked at it that way. Good point.

Please note, It has doubled (tripled?) in length since your response. Hopefully it is still as thought provoking as it was in it's shorter form.

I certainly agreed with the post a lot more pre-edit. Thanks for letting me know.

You should try making a discussion post about this over there.

They blatantly "vote game" reddit on a micro (by being a voting clique) and a macro (by using the multiple hate groups they've created) level. They are beyond obsessed with it. "Nolibs" has been banned for it over 25 times (as of right now.)

edit: 26 times

You can ask the admins what happened just like everyone else. Good luck with that.

Don't expect coolaid drinkers to do one second of their own investigation.

Do you have a source for this OP?

trolls gonna troll

Flytape banned me from their conspiracy sub because I opposed one of their theories.. It's obvious most of the "other" conspiracy subs have these sort of problems w/ mods..

It is the reddit system itself. Notice how you can't talk about reddit in /r/theoryofreddit anymore? Reddit, Inc. makes a lot of money for Advance Publications now and they don't want that to change. If we are actually allowed free reign of the place we would quickly turn it into a cooperatively owned site, which is exactly what we were discussing a year and a half ago when Advance Publications took reddit.com away from Condé Nast Digital and formed Reddit, Inc. Because we were self-organizing.

I only know some of what you speak. Sounds interesting, though. Wish there was a place where I could learn more about this, fill in some details and such...

Reddit destroys history, I don't have the links anymore. I should spend a day google-fooing and find some of the threads. They are linked to from other places, but reddit's publicly searchable history is now archived from that far back.

For reference, I believe it was between December 2010 and March 2011 that Reddit, Inc. was founded.

Everybody is somebody and nobody is as it seems.

No honor among thieves.

Good riddance

So someone posted this tread to /r/conspiratard and it's on the front page now... Quoting our comments and shit

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Looking at the all the down votes on this thread, you are absolutely right. .

I smell a conspiracy....

Hypocrisy!

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They have that, it's called 4chan.

You've never been to the /pol/itically incorrect board on 4chan?

Some of the same interests try and fuck up discussion there, but they do it by shitposting propaganda and sliding the board.

I prefer not to go to 4chan as I am over the age of 14.

or have they?

could not happen to a nicer more mean spirited and closed minded group of people lemmings?...

reddit is pretty stupid in that respect. what's the point of submitting and voting when some mods are blatant shills?

I've only been here a month and its been quite obvious there are vote brigades and cliques why would any other sub be different?

Because r/conspiracy challenges many notions of reality that everyday people cling to in order to keep their world a "safe" place.

In the macrocosm of internet culture, it's probably just a very small pebble hitting a stream. The ripple effects are not very far reaching.

Their notion that they must cheat so that their ideas are seen as superior, as if votes mean anything, exposes these people as the next generation of psychopaths. They should all apply to work at the banks where they will fit right in.

You conspiracy retards are all the same. Your mental dysfunction tells you that there's some kind of conspiracy here, but there isn't. It's entirely possible that it's just a coincidence that the same people who run a subreddit for trolling conspiracy theorists got caught trying to game the system via a conspiracy. Not everything is connected, you fucking idiots.

said the Conspiritard brigade assigned to damage control.

It is funny when you mention credibility, for those who are still Reddit, wake the fuck up, it is dead.

The voting system in Reddit and Reddit Inc. itself encourage karma whoring and votes gaming. i.e. It doesn't work as a forum, this is a goddamn market of opinions or ads.

Recall the new Reddit slogan, "your votes shape the world", it is fucking told already.

Obligitory /r/karmaconspiracy

At least we have 5 times of subscribers than conspiratard

At least we have 5 times of subscribers than conspiratard

That's because we don't continually create sockpuppets to invade Conspiratard. Seriously. A huge percentage of the subscription base here has been created just for the purpose of disruption.

Prove it.

Disprove it. Your stats themselves are evidence for my case. Two active subreddits, Conspiracy and Conspiratard? Aren't you the joker. Smells like dirty sockpuppets in here.

How is that evidence and for what exactly is it evidence?

And even if I were a suckpoppet account, how is that evidence for the claim that people "continually (!) create sockpuppets" and that they make up "a huge (!) percentage of the subscription base" here? And where is your evidence on the intentionality you presuppose, i.e. "the purpose of disruption"?

And why does the principle "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" not apply to you? Are you some sort of special case?

Whatever. Disagree with me. I really don't give a fuck. I presented an idea that will never be going to court, so I don't need to prove it. Not to you, not to anyone. Those that have been paying attention can clearly see the truth in what I say. They are the ones I am addressing. The slow folk can figure shit out on their own. ;) It's not my job to educate you.

P.S. How did your comment add anything to the discussion? All it did was focus on a couple of words in my comment, which i knew would happen. Why? Predictable as fuck behavior from the Conspiratards.

Whatever. Disagree with me. I really don't give a fuck.

Nice admission that you don't have a clue. This is exactly why people are laughing at (many) members of this community.

I presented an idea that will never be going to court, so I don't need to prove it.

This is almost too good to be true. A+

Those that have been paying attention can clearly see the truth in what I say.

You mean those that accept claims at face value and never ask for substantial evidence? Yeah, I guess you're right.

The slow folk can figure shit out on their own. ;) It's not my job to educate you.

No, but maybe it's in your interest to not look like a complete moron when getting asked for proof on bizarre claims.

How did your comment add anything to the discussion?

Are you serious?

How did your comment add anything to the discussion? All

It was literally the entirety of your comment that I was adressing.

Do you have evidence or not?

Which part of no was confusing for you? Believe what you like. Makes no difference to me.

So you admit that you believe in things on which you have no evidence whatsoever? Seriously?

I admitted none of the words you tried to ascribe to me. Give it up, dude. I admitted you don't have a clue what i am talking about OR you are willfully ignorant of the relevant details, such as your very stats themselves, which you ignored. Go try to bait someone else. Your games are old and boring for me. I now have other things to move on to this day and you aren't any of them.

May I sum up? I asked you (multiple times) for evidence on the claim that a "huge percentage" of the accounts subscribed to this subreddit are sockpuppet accounts "created for the purpose of disruption."

You didn't provide any evidence for that claim. You said you don't "need to prove it" because we aren't in court (fucking lol). Again, I asked whether you have evidence or not. Your response: "Which part of no was confusing to you?". I wouldn't know what else this could be adressing other than the question I asked you. Yet you still seem to believe in your original claim.

If this isn't admitting that you believe in things you can't provide evidence for, what else could it possibly be? Do you seriously not understand how ridiculous this sounds?

I can ask you again, just to clear things up: do you have evidence for your original claim or not?

So, just to be clear here, let me sum this up. I point to sockpuppets and their shenanigans, one comes in and challenges this assertion, asks for 'proof'. I point to the sockpuppet's account for ONE piece of evidence, the sockpuppet tries to derail by getting personal and putting words in my mouth (fingers). I tell the sockpuppet that I have no interest in this discourse, but the sockpuppet cares not for this assertion either, continues to repeat itself ad infinitum.

I can ask you again, just to clear things up: which part of no was confusing to you?

Do you have evidence or not? Just answer it mate, it can't be that hard, even for you.

I don't see how my account is proof for "sockpuppet" accounts. Yes, I have more than one account, for various reasons. Does that mean anything? No. Does it mean something to paranoid lunatics? Apparently yes. And does it mean your original assertion is correct? Most definitely not, even if this was a "sockpuppet" account.

See? You just called me a paranoid lunatic, but you expect discourse. This pattern is old and boring to me. You are not the first, you won't be the last.

Pay attention: NO, I have no evidence to convince you. You can stop asking. The original comment was aimed at those that know wtf I am talking about, not dumbasses that have nothing better to do than repeat themselves at me in little boxes on the internet.

Did you catch it that time, socky? I hope so, cuz I really have to get busy now and it involves closing my browser. Enjoy your day.

NO, I have no evidence

You could have given this answer the first time that I asked you and it would have spared you a lot of butthurt.

Believing in things without any evidence. You must have supernatural powers.

Believing in things without any evidence.

The evidence is in my extensive online experience. I can't link that for you. It's anecdotal, at best. There, I saved you the trouble of giving me those tired words.

I am in full belief that you are one of several wonderful humans that have been berating me in the same exact ways for years now, since way back on Digg. I even know who I believe you are. Can I prove this? Hell no, and you know it. What I can do, though, is keep pointing to your behavior here as evidence for my original point. Keep it up. It's precious.

it would have spared you a lot of butthurt

Don't flatter yourself. Please. You aren't that important to me. Not today, not tomorrow. You do inspire me to be my best, though. Thanks. :D I just did 4 hours work in less than 2.

This. It had only 200 active users for over a year it's now roughly doubled.

I suppose if I'm subscribed to /r/conspiracy, I should expect a conspiracy. Right?

I'm joking, thanks for sharing. I will take this post with a the same skeptics (<wording?) I take everything in the world.

Thanks!

I think that is really what conspiracy theorists are, skeptics.

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Wait, I thought conspiratard was an affectionate nickname for this subreddit. Is it something different?

jcm267....too bad he cleared. He loves making fun of how Rachel Corrie died. Loves to make the "pancake" jokes and call her all sorts of names. He loves all things police state, Israel, NeoCon, anti-Islam/ Muslim...totally pro war in the Middle East because it's Americas "obligation" to fight for Isreal.

jcm267 is a scumbag. And I mean that sincerely. He's a Zionist piece of shit that I remember well from my time on digg.

He led the down vote brigades at digg. He is involved with it here. No doubt in my mind.

That is why what is surprising is the amount of tolerance that reddit has for their scummy behaviour. These mods were the original bury brigade on digg. They have been gaming voting for years. Literally for years. They created conspiritard and eps to get help from the useful idiots with their vote-gaming enterprise on reddit because the algorithm was not as easy to manipulate as it was on digg. They have all been banned for it before and they continue to make new accounts and come back and keep doing it.

This was Digg's legacy. Crap overflows to here.

Still waiting on a SRS ban....

I knew they had the system gamed. The crap was especially transparent when they trolled anti-monsanto posts.

Can we have some further info? Who were the four usernames that were banned?

Also at least 5 accounts of their ex-mod pal "Nolibs" were banned:

• http://www.reddit.com/r/NolibsWatch/comments/1fp0g2/multiple_nolibs_accounts_banned_again_the_guy_is/

• GrampaNo

• TheReturnsOfNoLibs

• GrampaNL

• GhostsOfNoLibs

• Mrs-Ron-Paul

UPDATE: make that 6

• TheRevengeOfNoLibs

I replied to Mrs-Ron-Paul the other day. It seems they are promoting themselves now.

http://i.imgur.com/FFa9IaX.jpg

You should have seen them when they were trying to grow their hate-groups to effective gaming levels. They bought reddit ads.

Haha. Why do they hate Libertarians and Ron Paul so much? Is it because either isn't cosy towards Israel?

It's because they are anti-war. They also hate Kucinich, Gravel, McKinney, Johnson, etc. etc.

They must profit personally from the lie-wars. Evil.

http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/internet_digg_bury_the_bury_brigade.htm

You mean I can get paid to do this? Fuck yeah!

No way! I can't believe this travesty.

I think 9000sins is probably out doing an Irish jig right now.

how the fuck do those people live with themselves doing that shit?

You have people preaching shit about science and being skeptical then they rig and alter voting and label people conspiritards for bringing similar shit happening

Reminds me of Anti-Gay Politicians who are found at a gay bar or cheating on their wives with a guy.

I got banned from their sub for saying "good riddance"

It was a setup!

I unsubscribed to that sub-reddit last year. Those people are far too ignorant for my liking. They think that every conspiracy is a bullshit one, and when they're faced with the facts, you still end up getting downvoted to oblivion anyways. Good riddance to them.

I'm glad, I saw some fucking shady doings on here. Seemed like all the highest commenters were fucking debunkers.

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A percentage of debunkers are protecting a self held world view, where there entire modus operandi is to shoot down in flames, anything that they come across that conflicts with that. If this was done with purely academic methods and debate then that is fine and furthers the cause of finding facts by filtering out extraneous information. But THE VERY POINT OF THIS POST, is that individuals with an agenda have been manipulating the reddit system to give more exposure to their point of view and trying to create a dominant consensus along the line of their thinking.

So that method of putting your comments to the top by vote rigging, is completely dishonest! It's not debate or opposing viewpoints I have issue with. It's the completely fucking underhanded way of carrying it out. I come to a conspiracy forum, and the most upvoted comments on a lot of threads are from people poring scorn on ops original post. That was a red flag for me, and with good reason it seems. There is a lot of stuff on r/consp that I think is total bullshit. There is a lot of information on other subs i think is bullshit also.

I do not go to those subs posting thousands of times my opposition to their ideas. I've got shit to do. The very fact that others come here to do this indicates a very motivated opposition to the ideas in here. NOT an honest appraisal of the facts at hand.

True believers of any stripe whether a hardcore conspiracy head, or a hardcore skeptic, usually shape the facts at hand to fit their pre-conceived notion of the world. Which is fine, as long as they don't game the system to try and give their particular point of view the most exposure, and make it the dominant consensus.

let's face it, we have the media for that

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Think about someone who lost a loved one, in a war or in 911. Perhaps in a recent bombing incident. Would you want to embrace a theory that showed that they died for nothing? For money or oil interests? Maybe simply for a political struggle like gun control?

It's a scary thought and no wonder so many people vehemently fight against it.

That being said. I believe some of those shills are paid.

That's a valid point. And people in that situation I wouldn't argue with. Just sympathize with their plight, and think, fuck it, I can see why they feel that way, I'm not going to try and dissuade them.

I don't think that's the majority of people who come here to debunk though. I may be wrong, who knows. I don't mind a bit of trolling either, but when it's a planned action by a group of people united in oppostion to a certain point of view, it's just another SRS.

People trying to tell other people what to think.

Concerning the 9/11 thing. I remember watching either dylan avery or one of his guys telling a woman who had lost her guy on 9/11, how it was all a conspiracy and he died for an inside job.

Pretty much disgusted me, to watch him do that to her, it was a shitbag move of the highest order.

Now I may be new at this, but I'm pretty sure this is just a game of shuffling chairs and like most governing bodies, this is just an illusion of a power shift. Things got a little hot, something was "done about it", and the cycle continues. What was the ultimate reasoning behind their actions? There's a thought.

so the real conspiracy is that people are using conspiracy theory platforms to spread misinformation and propaganda

And where did you hear that? On a conspiracy site? No place is safe, we'll have to start thinking for ourselves from now on.

You better tell me how to do that.

That has always been the case. Anyone savvy enough to do their own research here knows it. There are plenty of interests in this sub pushing their own agendas.

You have to use your own discernment and judgement to pick out which posts actually matter and which ones are disinfo and misdirection.

eyerolled so hard I am now blind. Thanks, reddit

And yet they are still managing to shit on this sub.

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At least they weren't involved in banning users from their sub who disagreed with their ideas and asked for proof.. That is something you were quite active in when you and some other users w/out open minds started a conspiracy sub. The number of hypocrites in the conspiracy community is outrageous...

Seriously. Like half the shills at a certain "top secret" forum.

"paid shills don't exist...." lol

http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/internet_digg_bury_the_bury_brigade.htm

Well I still haven't seen any evidence, and I'll agree that's the only type of comment that I see removed (and other blatantly unscientific nonsense).

But you've provided actual evidence that they link to this sub.

That alone should mean you don't believe it.

I really did not expect illuminatedwax to put those asshats back in power after what they were okay with 9000sins doing.

I did misread. Apologies.

But I see jcm267 got cleared. Just like 9000sins was reinstated with all his buddies after shitting around the sub and bitching about getting spanked for trying to rule like a dictator. I think it's a valid point about how mods who get fingered for wrong doing still end up in the system. Sounds the same as government, don't it?

Like everyone's least favorite gimmick poster always(only) says: "Nothing will be done by anyone."

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Zing!

You won't ever get evidence in here. The closest you will get is a rude advice to "do the research yourself".