Mad respect for this /u/161719 I hope you don't mind me posting this. It needs more eyes on it.

Totally.

The comment about TV coverage being "Sports scores. Celebrity news." made me think of this image.

Also, this infographic about the P.A.T.R.I.O.T Act reinforces the sentiment of 161719's post.

Ice-T - 1989 - He apparently got it right.

Non-compliance.

They have power because we fund them. We need to think about a new currency.

Even if we stop paying taxes they can simply print more of the money since we all use it.

They can have their own currency. That doesn't mean we have to use it. They can have their own body politic. That doesn't mean we have to give them power over us. They can have their own laws. That doesn't mean we have to obey them. The self-appointed rulers are clearly psychopathic. We don't need them. They're parasites.

What do you do with a parasite? You deny it the ability to feed on you.

Non-compliance.

Non-compliance.

The best book on this I've found/read is "From Dictatorship to Democracy" by Gene Sharp. It's around 100 pages, available for free download via the Einstein Institue, and here is the facebook page with all of this information and more.

This looks promising.

Thank you for the link.

Relevant

I totally agree, I wish it didn't have to get awful before it will get better but sadly this is the way of the universe... Too many sheeple.

The fact that you have a computer and likely buy food at a grocery store means you're behaving and participating identically to a 'sheeple.' I'm not saying you're bad or anything. I'm only saying that we're all in this together. I'm no different. I just now had two beers from freaking Germany. I'm a part of the Globalism just by doing that. So I'm not exactly Neo fighting Agent Smith either.

My only point is that when shit hits the fan - which may yet happen - you're going to end up protecting the sheeple and they'll end up protecting you. Why? Because we're al in this together. They probably won't understand the layers and subtlety that you understand, but they will understand that they're being fucked with by the self-appointed rulers. At which point you're going to have to stop calling them sheeple. Because it comes off a lot like 'ignorant cunt.' Which will not encourage them to help you.

I mean, I agree that most people are ignorant and care about petty things. It's just that you don't need to insult them. They simply don't get it and it's probably not in their life path to understand this stuff. Which means that you have a responsibility to think, act and perform for them. Not because you will benefit. You will not. You are going to have to be a good person for the sake of being a good person. By being better than the self-appointed rulers you become more powerful than them. They're the ones who resort to name-calling and bigotry.

I once called a friend of mine a 'normie' and suddenly understood the impact of my thoughts and words. I'm no saint. I fail at this daily, but I'm a single step ahead of where I was earlier in life. At least I'm aware of this weakness.

I hope you don't think I'm "coming down on you" or whatever. I'm not. This is not an attack. It's just something that I've been thinking about a lot lately and, for whatever reason, this seems like as good a place as any to let it out. I hope you don't think I'm a dick-hole. I'm not. I swear.

Anyway, yeah, it might get worse before it gets better. In fact that seems likely at the moment.

I'm going to study the last year of Malcolm X and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

If shit goes down I want a plan. A non-violent one.

Take this shit to the streets.

http://youtu.be/WaQjLbqdUYY

Your comment gave me chills. I've been over preparing as I know no one around me is prepared for any upset in life. They all think the government will come running and save the day. Not that I think they can, but I don't want them to. I want to be in control of my life.

I don't know where any of this is going to lead but I fear it's going to get a whole lot worse before it gets better.

Take care.

Sometimes, I think most people just try and tune out the rest of the world, the doom and gloom, rather than thinking the government will help them. I think most people know that Government and Law are not in favor of the average citizen anymore.

Remember though, despite those around you not being ready, not being open like you, you still aren't alone. We are everyewhere, and when the time comes, we will all be in the streets.

You cheered me up and have given me some hope.

As alone as I am, it's all I have to do to keep me sane. That and trying to talk to strangers. To reach out and try and drop some knowledge every chance I get.

I'm up in Canada and I don't think anyone I know has heard of the NSA spying. I told my girlfriend and she flipped her lid. She was flabbergasted. She still has no interest in seeking out what other things are going on. Her life is too good. She can't fathom it going away. I can. That's why I try to be informed and prepare. I could lock my doors and be safe in my house for a month, if needed. I think everyone should have that kind of preparation ready. It's not that hard or expensive.

I agree. At this point, the average guy has heard stories and news reports of acts of injustice. The average guy knows that there is A LOT of bs going around in politics. However, the average guy puts on the mask that the government wants, a worker and follower.

I believe it's only a matter of time before the average guy becomes the currently publicly expressive guy of truth and then the world will have it's change, for the better.

I think the average person is chained to that mask, to those tasks. They feel that if they don't keep doing the tasks, they won't eat. They won't have a home. They won't have anything.

expect bitcoin to be defamed/ outlawed/ fought outright soon.

Glad to see this is #1 on reddit at this moment. Thanks for posting, I hope it gets still more views.

This "awakening" is small yet refreshing.

If we keep having events like this maybe things will look up.

Fuck no I am not ok with this. In my opinion ever single person knowingly involved with PRISM on the NSA or corporate side are domestic enemies of the constitution and can be killed on sight no questions asked no remorse. The law is suspended until justice is defended and the constitution restored. We are now in a universal state of exception.

Now in a state of exception? Try after 9/11 when we were placed into a state of emergency, and have not yet lifted said state. This granted wide sweeping powers to our government. Kinda like how Adolf and his buddies took over germany.

I am putting the population into a state of exception. I am granting unlimited power to every citizen. The law is suspended until further notice. Do as you please.

Thanks. I was wondering when someone would do that for me. You can't nominate yourself after all.

Kinda like how Adolf and his buddies took over germany.

Funny that...

can be killed on sight no questions asked

No. Nobody will be helped by violence, no wrong vindicated. You'd simply lower yourself to their level. This is a matter of ideology, and breaking the very justice you're trying to defend will invalidate everything you're trying to do. These people should be tracked down, noted, evidence gathered against them, and when a government of the vox populi is restored, given a fair trial. I empathise with your anger, but restraint must nevertheless be exercised.

No. We are anchoring hard on this one. No half measures. These folks need to go. Thou shalt not permit to live one guilty of such moral turpitude.

While at the park today, I noticed a new surveillance camera. Much like OP, I started brainstorming thoughts of how this advancement in technology can hurt the citizens in these modern day situations. The more I thought, the more scary it became.

How we became conditioned to consenting these irrational "security procedures" is a lot more frightening to me.

Ever read Ted Kaczynski's UnaBomber Manifesto? This is PRECISELY THE EXACT THING that he feared was our future. People mocked him and called him crazy at the time, but look at what is happening to our society now? Especially kids, they can not put down their cell phones for more then 10 minutes at a time.

The following are exerts from the Unabomber Manifesto

Imagine a society that subjects people to conditions that make them terribly unhappy, then gives them the drugs to take away their unhappiness. Science fiction? It is already happening to some extent in our own society. It is well known that the rate of clinical depression had been greatly increasing in recent decades. We believe that this is due to disruption of the power process

The entertainment industry serves as an important psychological tool of the system, possibly even when it is dishing out large amounts of sex and violence. Entertainment provides modern man with an essential means of escape. While absorbed in television, videos, etc., he can forget stress, anxiety, frustration, dissatisfaction

Sylvan Learning Centers, for example, have had great success in motivating children to study, and psychological techniques are also used with more or less success in many conventional schools. "Parenting" techniques that are taught to parents are designed to make children accept fundamental values of the system and behave in ways that the system finds desirable

In the last sections of the manifesto, Kaczynski carefully defines what he means by freedom[62] and provides an argument that it would "be hopelessly difficult [...] to reform the industrial system in such a way as to prevent it from progressively narrowing our sphere of freedom

He says that "in spite of all its technical advances relating to human behavior the system to date has not been impressively successful in controlling human beings" and predicts that "[i]f the system succeeds in acquiring sufficient control over human behavior quickly enough, it will probably survive. Otherwise it will break down" and that "the issue will most likely be resolved within the next several decades, say 40 to 100 years

He gives various dystopian possibilities for the type of society which would evolve in the former case.[64] He claims that revolution, unlike reform, is possible, and calls on sympathetic readers to initiate such revolution using two strategies: to "heighten the social stresses within the system so as to increase the likelihood that it will break down" and to "develop and propagate an ideology that opposes technology

He gives various tactical recommendations, including avoiding the assumption of political power, avoiding all collaboration with leftists, and supporting free trade agreements in order to bind the world economy into a more fragile, unified whole.

It's time for all of us - the entire country - to simply stand up and demonstrate AGAINST the current government of the United States.

Period.

We need to figure out how to do this like...NOW. This might be literally the last chance we have to do this before the scenario /u/161719 described happens and resistance becomes all the more difficult.

I remember apartheid. I know what its like to live in a police state. Have to carry ID and permission cards to be in certain areas. Restricted movements and more.

Enjoy what little freedom you have left, I can see where your countries are going.

I wholeheartedly agree. I actually saved this on my computer to show it around a bit. This has the potential to change people's opinions (for those who will bother to read all of it).

I did as well! Reading it to my parents for sure!

Viral it. Every single person in America if not the world needs to see this.

The car is on fire, and there's no driver at the wheel

And the sewers are all muddied with a thousand lonely suicides

And a dark wind blows

The government is corrupt

And we're on so many drugs

With the radio on and the curtains drawn

We're trapped in the belly of this horrible machine

And the machine is bleeding to death

The sun has fallen down

And the billboards are all leering

And the flags are all dead at the top of their poles

It went like this:

The buildings tumbled in on themselves

Mothers clutching babies

Picked through the rubble

And pulled out their hair

The skyline was beautiful on fire

All twisted metal stretching upwards

Everything washed in a thin orange haze

I said, "Kiss me, you're beautiful -

These are truly the last days"

You grabbed my hand

And we fell into it

Like a daydream

Or a fever

We woke up one morning and fell a little further down

For sure it's the valley of death

I open up my wallet

And it's full of blood

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVekJTmtwqM

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It's honestly even more scary reading responses like that.

Please read my e-mails!

Read: enema me, bitch!

A lot of talk, but we really are not getting any closer to the freedom everyone is talking about. So what that we know all this? Most people, even believers of this information will continue to go to work the next day, use their banks, their school systems, buy their products and watch their propaganda.

So this begs the question, what the hell is the point in knowing this information if we are not doing the IMPORTANT things like not using the banks which fund everything they do, not going to their education systems which create the people who go along with their plans, not watching their propaganda machine which brainwashes us, not eating their food which makes us sick and lazy etc?

One day we go out and protest and the next day we go and support them with our own time and money. Seems really foolish to me.

The only way to stop the machine is to stop moving it with our own hands!

Want to be really free? Get a few like minded families together, buy a piece of land far away from the city near clean running water, build a nice cozy little home, buy a solar panel system, stock up on guns and provisions, and you are TOTALLY free. Never in history were people truly free in big cities. Its impossible to become free in a society built on lies by people who spread lies. No revolution will ever help unless people throw out their TVs, grow their own food, and use another system of money other than that created by the people who enslave us.

www.reddit.com/r/conspiracyx

buy a piece of land far away from the city near clean running water, build a nice cozy little home, buy a solar panel system, stock up on guns and provisions, and you are TOTALLY free.

But how does one even begin to obtain these things without a lot of money...:(

All of this can be done under 30k, if really frugal. Around 50-70 and you are going to live in full comfort. Check out land prices far away from cities, you can even find some that are close to free. House costs if you build yourself can be also very low, the only real expenses are solar panels, and food stores.

This guy is on to it.

"They" can't see everywhere. "They" are not omnipotent or omniscient. Get out of their festering slums and into the wilderness. Get a nice plot of land, and be self-sufficient. Solar and wind power can keep you running the basics, and learning to grow your own vegetables takes no time at all. Livestock is easy enough to care for once you get the hang of it.

Sure, you won't have the modern conveniences like Reddit, air conditioning or TV, but seriously, who gives a fuck about that?

Every single one of you is capable of this. The fattest, laziest, most clumsy and awkward of us is capable of living off the land. We have been doing it as a species for thousands upon thousands of years. That voice inside your head, that terrible, tiny voice which says "I can't do that, it's too hard"? Ask yourself where that voice came from. Is it your voice? Or is it a voice that has been put there, shaped by years of dependance?

I suspect not.

You talk of revolution. There is a reason they are called "revolutions". They always come around again. What we need is a diaspora. Flee the cities and the suburbs, flee like rats off a sinking ship. Flee their corrupt, broken, rotten, uncaring system.

flee, and find yourselves.

Exactly. I have a feeling even 90% of the conspiracy crowd will be caught in the mess just like everyone else. Revolution is useless, going protesting is useless because it does not stop the machine which is fuelled by all of us. The best revolution is to just unplug from the city (you can still have internet and all the creature comforts in the wild).

What would happen if everyone just stopped using the banks? All their power disappears within one day, ONE DAY. No need for violence, no need for revolutions or protests...

All these protests and revolutions create a feeling that everything is moving in the right direction, that somehow things will change.. they wont, they never have, and never will. The only time they will change is if you get up and leave and make a better life for yourself.

Historically, you cant say revolution is useless. Wasn't useless for America , wasn't useless for the Cubans , wasn't useless for the bolsheviks. . .. I could continue.

And where are we now? Has anything changed?

The only way people will be free is if they live on the land, grow their own food, make their own electricity, and become completely independent from any outside "government."

In America things have certainly changed for the worse over time. You'll get no argument from me when it comes to that.

What you're talking about is a pipe dream; The same pipe dream that the hippies in the 60's indulged themselves in. They were 'sick of the government mannn" And they were going to move to Uraguay or something and "live off the land". Never happened.

Its just an escapist indulgence. That sort of talk is nothing more than talk. The truth is , if you're escaping real oppression from your country of origin: Where you gonna go? : America.

If you wanted to create your own electricity and live off the land : you can do that right now. Whats stopping you?

Me? I dont want "independence from Government". I want to take the power and give it back to the people. Real power, not the illusion of choice. To me , that sort of run away/escape talk is defeatist. Start thinking about 'why' protesting and civil disobedience doesn't work and what you can do better. Dont just throw in the towell. Theres a reason why Occupy failed. And it has more to do with the disconnection between organizing and community that people are willing to accept.

I'm not trying to tell you what to think or how to think , just to think a little bit harder.

I'm not going anywhere.

When I hear Lindsey Graham say something like he thinks its a good idea to exchange privacy for safety - He's the one that needs to leave. Plenty of oppressive regimes to choose from Lindsey , maybe America just isnt your speed, and Iran would be more to your liking

The pipe dream is how we are living now which only came to be in the last few hundred years. How were people living for millenia? In small villages and small towns. Large cities were very rare and far and between. It is as real a life as it gets. I actually am doing it right now and have never felt happier.

We have our own Uruguay right here, there is thousands of acres for dirt cheap (you can find 5-20 acres of land for around 5 thousand).

You want to live in the city and be free? That's absolutely fine. But you cant expect to be free while at the same time doing ALL the things they use to enslave us. A city can only be a truly free city if we stop using the banks, stop watching their propaganda (throw out theTV and boycott the movies), stop attending their brainwash/schooling system, or go shopping which are all the things they use to control us. And how many people are going to do all this?

So tell me, how in the heck are city folk expecting to "fight" for freedom with their left hand and with the right hand turn the wheel of oppression?

I'd argue it was pretty useless for the bolsheviks.

Agreed. The citizens of Rome once left to build a new city when the nobles would not give them the human rights they deserved. The root of all evil is our fiat money system. To overcome it we must remove ourselves entirely from it. A 'semi-autonomous zone' (Hakim Bey) is the only hope. Small pockets of freedom can and will grow, but the whole system cannot collapse without first reaching a tipping point of say 10-20% of the populace. Einstein once said if only 2% of the military would refuse to obey orders all wars would end.

It didn't work out so well for David Koresh (just one example that immediately came to mind). I bet there are a lot of start-ups like what you've described that got shut down and the ones we know about get slandered to sway people to demonize them. Sex cult, crazy satanic religion or militia group are common ways to discredit such groups.

Did you even read what I wrote? How the heck does David Koresh and his religious sect have anything to do with living on the land and growing your own food? Your comment is right out of left field.

I read exactly what you wrote and fully understand your intent. Reread what I wrote without David Koresh as an example. Put in "Joe Schmoe" instead and instead of religion put in Vegans. It doesn't matter what set of variables you use. Big government doesn't look kindly on anyone breaking away from it's preset and containable way of living. Your idea is great but in practice the government will find a way to shut it down while making the public feel that you are villains and God bless America for ridding us from your evil ways.

wait...this happened in /u/161719 's country but grew up saying the Pledge of Allegiance? did he grow up in America and is just speaking of the country of his heritage?

He obviously lived in both countries.

Not obvious or it wouldn't be questioned. Lots of countries have American schools for embassy kids, expatriate kids or rich families in the host country that feel they will get a better education through an American system. Very similar to how other countries have schools in the USA that are designed after their home country - ISA (Islamic Saudi Academy) for example.

Possibly his heritage, he may have moved here at a young age. I believe the references he is telling about the infected leg may be an example of how uncontrollable it can actually get just by losing privacy of emails, or maybe it actually happened to someone he knew.. Not sure, just my insight on it.

r/conspiracy has been getting front paged more and more every day. It's great to know more people are becoming illuminated because of this community and sub.

Resistance is futile. I'm just going to report to the feds for work in a labor camp.

Good plan, seeing that they'll be the only place with work left available.

This post honestly reminded me of two books I recently read: Escape from Camp 14 and Nothing to Envy: Ordinary Lives in North Korea. While North Korea is clearly the most extreme example, these books offer insiders' perspectives into the nature of total government control.

that is a well argued coherent point of view and I agree, the future is nothing but bleak unless we all take a stand that this is not fucking okay. Unless we learn from history and the mistakes we make we are destined to repeat them. Turn off the TV and read a book, and do what they don't want, THINK!!!

Land of the Free, Home of the Brave.

Land of the NSA, Home of the Drone.

Could you imagine Nixon in this situation?

The problem is we weren't all raised in this shit, at least not directly. So, it's unfamiliar, and it puts us on edge. We risk what was once the promise of a regular life, where we work, raise families and think about our future and our children's future. No longer. Now, for no reason other than the possibility of "terrorism" we live in fear of our own flailing economy, a government that wants to shackle whistleblowers and protestors alike but lets Tea Baggers run free like rightwing street thugs. We lie in a perpetual state of low-grade fear that it might all get taken away for no identifiable reason, just, you know, terrorists and national security.

I'm not saying everyone has this experience, or that people have never had it rougher, but to have the promise of this great country where we could all get together and make something so magnificent, and then have it taken away is just too much sometimes. To make matters worse, you don't want to protest, or upset what little of value you have left, because you may end up in worse shape and never get back to the promise that motivates us all to do and be better.

This is one of those comments I save. Thanks for this.

Who remembers the scene in V for Vendetta at the beginning where she gets attacked...cameras in every crevice, terrifying.

Incredible. Thank you for your voice in this fight. We need more people like you.

I'm sorry to say but there is no fucking chance in hell that the people are going to be waking up while a new disasterous bubble is being inflated. I say save your energy for when the thing pops. Then you will have unlimited opportunity for waking people up.

Its small steps but I just installed Linux on my older friends new notebook this week and he loved it. I didn't even lecture him about the freedom advantages. That lecture will come this next week or the week after that. I'm just chipping away at it.

I'm tired of being frantic. I won't be in the streets ever. I have more value behind the scenes. Likely in later times I will be able to do more good for America by not being in America. I think that we should all support each other doing our part and that means that some people are going to be super into guns and others will be holding signs and making a presence downtown and others will be timidly blogging all day. We need a hell of a lot of things done and people to do them. I support anyone who is searching or even thinking about how to become more autonomous. Personally I'm an educator and a concensus builder. I'm glad that I'm not the knows how to shoot and repair twenty different types of guns guy and he certainly has a role to play and will need will need our support, even if it is only ideological or consesus based.

For someone technologically challenged, what does Linux do and how does it work?

Its another computer system like Windows or Macintosh. The programming code that is used to create it is available to the world so people can improve it and make sure that that it does not contain back doors that hackers or governments could use to take over your system. I feel that Linux can be better than Windows for a beginner who only uses a web browser and creates basic word documents and listens to a few mp3 files.

It is currently on just over 1% of all desktop and notebook computers and it is quickly gaining support from video game publishers. Linux is actually the most common OS (operating system) on the planet now if you consider all of the Internet servers that run it and the Android phones which run it.

It is comprised of thousands of individual pieces of free software and these are compiled into what are called distributions. There are numerous distributions but the Ubuntu Linux distribution has risen to become the dominant goto 'distro' for beginners and for software developers trying to get their software working on Linux.

To start with you have Firefox and Chrome and you have flashplayer as well for watching youtube. Its very easy to setup if you know any techies out there.

One of the key benefits to using Linux is that every piece of software that you use can be updated all at once so you never have to deal with all of the software reminders. Also Linux actually has overall better driver support than Windows now [when you consider older hardware and the Windows XP to Windows 7-8 change] so right off of the install you currently have about a double better chance that everything will just work. Many people remember Linux driver support being pretty bad from over six or seven years ago.

Its free and it starts you off in a very nice and simple manner and underneath it all is the same technology that powers super computers so you can grow infinitly with it.

You can also "dual boot" meaning that you can install Linux on the same computer that Windows is running on. When you boot the computer you choose from a menu which to load.

Microsoft is trying to lock down all of the new computers so that they are like an iPhone in that you can't do anything with them. It would be like getting a Chevelle with the hood welded shut. See what Microsoft is doing with the Xbox One and Kinect 2.0 to see where they want to take us. Apple is no better. Their hip hacker image is false.

Using Linux is like shopping at the really nice organic grociery store but instead expensive prices it is free.

Try subscribing to /r/linux.

May I ask you what brought you to /r/conspiracy?

"Unfortunately, you've grown up hearing voices that incessantly warn of government as nothing more than some separate, sinister entity that's at the root of all our problems. Some of these same voices also do their best to gum up the works. They'll warn that tyranny always lurking just around the corner. You should reject these voices. Because what they suggest is that our brave, and creative, and unique experiment in self-rule is somehow just a sham with which we can't be trusted." -Obama

This is a fine example of our president wanting us have blind faith in our government.

Facebook will not allow me to post this comment to my timeline. It may be due to too many characters, but I suspect it is being censored.

How did he go from an infected leg in prison to walking around with it?

Uhm...hey buddy, got two questions for you. 1) how did you transform from someone living in the Middle East during the Arab spring into a pledge of allegiance swearing American? And 2) how did you just walk out of prison with an infection in your leg with no word from the guards or anyone waiting at your parents for you?

I think he was using examples of other individuals in no discernable order. I didn't write this.

He grew up in America and lives somewhere else now? Dual citizenship.

No comment on the more obvious inconsistency?

I think he was using examples of other individuals in no discernable order.

Wow. I never thought of it like that before.

Reddit is lucky to have a user like you.

Is this sarcasm?

Iv seen him post this same comment to others here.

Person is a troll account. Saw them in another thread on here being a smartass calling someone out for no reason, adds nothing to the discussion but insults.

It looks like some dumb ass bot. I researched it a little after that comment.

Look at his name, and his responses.

NLP at its finest. Fear-mongering spider.

NLP?

Neuro- linguistic programming boyoiiii. Look it up, and the weird inconsistencies I pointed out.

Cool, Will do.

Curious as to what you spotted/what tipped you off. I am trying to amp up my ability to see thru NLP...idk...Feel free to PM me if youd like.

This "awakening" is small yet refreshing.

Is this sarcasm?

Totally.

The comment about TV coverage being "Sports scores. Celebrity news." made me think of this image.

Also, this infographic about the P.A.T.R.I.O.T Act reinforces the sentiment of 161719's post.

Did you even read what I wrote? How the heck does David Koresh and his religious sect have anything to do with living on the land and growing your own food? Your comment is right out of left field.