you mean the same ones who campaigned to ban assault rifles?

They are all shitting themselves talking about how to deal with being a known pedo-bed factory....

Trying to figure out who they can psychophant upto...

Where's Ted Nugent? Arnold Schwarzenegger? Chuck Norris? Mel Gibson?

Nugent's a draft dodger for one, when shit gets real he crawls into a panic room and assumes the fetal position.

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Who likes to go to war? Of course, I would hate it. We're talking about Nugent...he talks tough, he's all God, Guns and Guts. Red white and blue Patriot, they hate 'Murka has freedoms. He uses words like "ragheads". Big NRA total gun FREAK. I have a couple hunting rifles myself...but I can't hold a candle to Nugents "Nationalism".

So what did he do when his "Country" called on him?? That's all I'm saying. There's what he says, but ya know...actions speak a whole lot LOUDER than words.

Screw that. When your country calls you, it should actually be in danger, not the horseshit police duty it has been doing for 7 decades. Why should any American who cares about the prosperity of this country respond when the government calls you up to die to rattle it's saber in business that is not it's own?

And if anyone even tries to bring up 9/11 I'm gonna fall out of my chair laughing.

...what about 9/11, that's a threat, America is in danger! /s

Of drowning in bullshit...

Damn, ever since the end of WW2, we really have been the world police. Maybe that was its purpose, weren't the Nazis allegedly funded by the Rothschild's?

After WW3, the banks will explicitly be our new masters.

Nah. The banks and the government will be fighting for the job. They are the new checks and balances and we are just grease for the wheels.

'MURICA!

Career suicide by people who don't give a flying fuck about the plebes you mean?

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They love the attention. For them, Paparazzi is proof you're still relevant.

how did you read all of that into my comment there angry guy. Rather than put words in my mouth, why don't you shove them up your ass.

John Cusack wrote a piece: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-cusack/why-im-donating-to-fund-t_b_2632389.html

He is also one of the Board Members of the Freedom of the Press Foundation.

Edit: Direct link to the post he wrote about the "Snowden Principle" http://12160.info/forum/topics/the-snowden-principle-john-cusack-s-blog

Would be awesome if he stood at the steps of the capital with a boombox over his head.

Probably 10% of reddit will get the reference.

lol popular culture is engineered by the elite.

celebrities can be equated to the sheep choir from Animal Farm. 2 legs good 4 legs better. The celebrities the OP listed are conducting Obamas zero nukes campaign,let's all hold hands and sing camp fire songs while the Hollywood elite show us a better way.seriously,fuck those people.

Intimidated into self-censorship

Unfortunately, I don't think they care. Many of them are probably in the camp of "I have nothing to hide''

Although, here's Shia Laboeuf talking about firsthand knowledge of spying years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ux1hpLvqMw

Being chased around by dirt bags with cameras all day may have desensitized them or gives them little sympathy for the rest of us.

They don't want to end up like Wesley

Snipes?

No, Willis.

With every headbutt a lie was shattered. Rest in peace sweet prince.

Rock over london, rock on chicago.

Polaroid. See what develops.

Damn I miss that guy.

You would think being in the spotlight all the time, would give them more incentive.

Does it matter? Who gives a fuck what celebrities think.

For people who think for themselves your statement goes without saying. Living in America however, celebrities ARE the brains of millions of people. What they think, so does a large part of the US population.

It's true. Jenny McCarthy pretty much invented the vaccine scare in America. And kids have been dying ever since.

Liar! More kids than ever are dying and developing all kinds of illnesses from vaccine related injuries. Jenny is a mom whose kid got fucked up by a vaccine and she committed career suicide by standing up in front of idiots like you that believe the corporate vaccine ruse. And any negative comments on her former MTV host status and her former playboy lifestyle just demonstrates the superficiality of Americans and their thinking.

Liar! More kids than ever are dying and developing all kinds of illnesses from vaccine related injuries.

Do you have a source you can cite that provides scientific data on this?

Jenny is a mom whose kid got fucked up by a vaccine and she committed career suicide by standing up in front of idiots like you that believe the corporate vaccine ruse.

Has her kid's autism been medically linked to the vaccine by a trained medical professional? I would like another source containing scientific data please.

And any negative comments on her former MTV host status and her former playboy lifestyle just demonstrates the superficiality of Americans and their thinking.

I never made such comments. So why did you write this?

Look, I like a good troll as much the next person. To be honest, I probably like them better than most. So good work. :-D

Any "scientific data" I can post about these issues can immediately be countered by a host of big-pharma propaganda...oh sorry..."official studies" done by the same corporations that profit on the drug "safety" so I don't play "scientific data" ping pong" on reddit. Read the inserts that the vaccine manufacturer's provide and you will see the side effects clearly listed. http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/vaccines/ApprovedProducts/ucm093830.htm

And practically all vaccine related injuries are dismissed by the doctors or even worse, they put parents in jail for battery! Because some babies have such bad reactions to the vaccine that they look like they have been beaten with a bag of doorknobs, so police just charge them because they don't know better.

http://weinbergsorganicmeats.com/police-prosecute-parents-to-hide-vaccine-injuries http://vactruth.com/2012/08/20/vaccine-injuries-destroys-families/ http://www.whale.to/vaccines/sbs.html

I'm not sure weinbergsorganicmeats.com is a real trustworthy source of news

Any "scientific data" I can post about these issues can immediately be countered by a host of big-pharma propaganda...oh sorry..."official studies" done by the same corporations that profit on the drug "safety" so I don't play "scientific data" ping pong" on reddit. Read the inserts that the vaccine manufacturer's provide and you will see the side effects clearly listed. http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/vaccines/ApprovedProducts/ucm093830.htm

So i did what you said and checked the inserts of six random vaccines. Not a single one contained autism as a side effect. I'm not willing to go through more than half a dozen. It's not a great sample, but it's enough to convince me.

And practically all vaccine related injuries are dismissed by the doctors or even worse, they put parents in jail for battery! Because some babies have such bad reactions to the vaccine that they look like they have been beaten with a bag of doorknobs, so police just charge them because they don't know better. http://weinbergsorganicmeats.com/police-prosecute-parents-to-hide-vaccine-injuries http://vactruth.com/2012/08/20/vaccine-injuries-destroys-families/ http://www.whale.to/vaccines/sbs.html

I'm not going to bother even looking at either of these. They're from sources that are biased towards your particular view. If you can find some that are closer to non-biased, I would be more than willing to look at them. Sorry yo, but if you don't trust scientific testing, I don't trust biased media. Seems like a fair deal to me.

It' s not even about the "science" it is about who is making the money and who has the control. If Jenny Mcarthy, or Andrew Wakefield, made more money by being skeptical to vaccine science and speaking out I would think the same thing about them that I do about the giant pharmaceutical companies. But they did not and do not and are being crucified in the media and in the public eye. Both of them would have made far more money and be far more "valuable" if they shut the fuck up and went on with their life. In fact most people don't even speak up for fear of having to enter into a civilized discussion of this issue...never mind put it out to the brainwashed American public that every one of their children may have injected a poisonous toxic stew! That's bravery not stupidity. But as we see by the Obama administration's stance on whistleblowers that they are NOT well liked and are either slandered in the media or outright murdered. (http://liberatingmemes.wordpress.com/2013/02/14/philip-marshall-and-his-two-children-and-dog-murdered/)

And not looking at so called "biased" information is like refusing to hear or receive evidence. These "biased" viewpoints are extremely valid, if not more valid, than any scientific study that was paid for by big-pharma and most of them, Like Dr. Wakefield, simply questioned the science and asked for bigger and better studies to be done...which they have not nor do they intend to do. This includes the double blind placebo tests as well as tests for cancer and interaction with other drugs. None of this has been done and these drugs have been raced to the production lines because there is trillions of dollars at stake in worldwide vaccine distribution. Science is being used to control the population and vaccines are the ultimate tool for that purpose as we WILLINGLY go into the doctor's office and ask them to inject a completely unknown substance past our natural immune systems affecting our health in ways still unknown to modern science...but they will never admit to that!

It' s not even about the "science" it is about who is making the money and who has the control. If Jenny Mcarthy, or Andrew Wakefield, made more money by being skeptical to vaccine science and speaking out I would think the same thing about them that I do about the giant pharmaceutical companies. But they did not and do not and are being crucified in the media and in the public eye. Both of them would have made far more money and be far more "valuable" if they shut the fuck up and went on with their life.

So the fact that Jenny McCarthy's minimum speaking fee is $50,000 isn't a way to make money? I sure see a financial incentive in that stance for her. Considering that she was all but gone before she started her rabid anti-vaccine crusade.

And not looking at so called "biased" information is like refusing to hear or receive evidence. These "biased" viewpoints are extremely valid, if not more valid, than any scientific study that was paid for by big-pharma and most of them, Like Dr. Wakefield, simply questioned the science and asked for bigger and better studies to be done...which they have not nor do they intend to do.

Didn't Wakefiled's initial study only have a trial sample of 12 autistic children? It was studying how MMR causes bowel problems for kids with autism. 12 is a ridiculously small sample size. Nothing conclusive can come from a study that small. At best you have anecdotal evidence.

I'm all for bigger and better studies, but at what point is the study big enough or better enough to suit your needs? What does science need to do to cut through your confirmation bias?

Think about it this way... Smallpox was the leading cause of death in the 18th Century, and was eradicated by the 20th. Polio cases have been reduced by a factor of 100. And both of those things were accomplished by vaccines.

Do we need some more research? Sure, I can agree with that.

But a choice between kids have a 76% chance of dying from a disease we can vaccinate against, or a muuuuuuuuch lower chance of literally anything else happening... I'll take the latter.

I'm tellin you, I really applaud your trolling skills. You're good. :D

OK...you called me a troll twice. (shill tactic) You brought up polio and smallpox as examples of "successful eradication" of a disease by vaccination (a lie as both of those diseases were all ready declining by the time the vaccines were intorduced and yet another shill tactic). You reversed what I said about Wakefield (shill tactic) as he was specifically saying that his own research was not enough and that they should do more! You dismissed the idea of bigger and better studies because "none of them would satisfy me". (shill tactic)

And as for science that is good enough for me...there needs to be honest independent testing by third party researchers who DO NOT PROFIT from the answer that they find. And that is not being done nor does any group have the money needed to perform that task outside of governments or multi-nationals...which are all either corrupt (our governments) or occupied by the industry capture (regulatory capture) executives.

So I also applaud your shilling skills. You're good. ;D

Dude, calling someone a shill really has no merit unless you can back it up. You're essentially saying, "You disagree with me so you must be in bed with Big Pharma". Grow the fuck up.

Also, as a scientist, most of us do not get paid very well at all and if we could actually point to a veritable environmental cause for autism, it would increase our bank exponentially. That's really my biggest issue with vaccination conspiritards, its that you look at all scientists as these menacing eugenicists who are going to destroy the worlds population for .... something nefarious. Seriously, if I could pinpoint an external factor causing autism, i would be so rich right now even if it came at the temporary expense of my credibility. (Which is essnetially what a lot of these vaccine conspiracists are doing)

note I do think its a really dumb idea to give a kid under 2 eleven vaccines.

I do not think that all scientists are nefarious...not at all..I just know that one scientist can barely scratch the surface of the big ugly machine...even when they are successful whistleblowers.

my example...http://shivchopra.com/

I will end my so called "trolling" now. Even though I was not emotional nor was I trying to be controversial nor was i trying to disrupt the conversation and I provided extremely interesting links...especially to r/conspiracy!

that source, shivchopra.com is ridiculous. The fifth sentence is completely false. Both heat and irradiation kills e. coli.

The celebrities are in Israel for Shimon Peres birthday party.

http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1girl9/one_of_my_friends_was_walking_in_tel_aviv_with/cakos32

http://www.israelandstuff.com/robert-de-niro-to-attend-peres-birthday-party-in-june

Why would they? They are among the people who don't really give a shit since all the horrible policies don't affect them.

They have the money to be above the law.

No one told them to be outraged about it.

I would figure Spicoli would be all over this

He's a tool. Would hurt the cause.

Not just the celebrity outrage, but wheres the protest? The only reports I've seen about people protesting prism have been in hong kong. Hwere are all the people that were drawing hitler mustaches on obama couple of years ago?

They are all puppets also. Sucks =/

Because when the man that you sat there and spent years extolling his virtues just shit on your face. You have no where to go but hide and be quiet.

If all you have is vapid celebrities to try and change a peoples ideology then it is already to late when they should be interested in what the intellectuals have to say like Norman Finkelstein, Chris Hedges and Steve Pieczenik for example, instead they are all wilfully ignorant and living their lives the way the t.v tells them while saying to them selves this will all blow over.

Celebrities don't care, NSA is like average Joe Paparazzi

No, no, no... you only get celebrity outrage against Republicans. If a Democrat is in power they make the assumption that there's a good reason for the invasion of their privacy. It's sad that they don't see these clowns in DC as two sides of the same coin, but they don't.

it seems hacking some celebrity voice mails is a big deal but recording and storing the entire worlds electronic communications is a-ok....?

Look for it in next summer's blockbuster campaign.

Too busy picketing fracking in communities where it has been proven that fracking doesn't effect the water.

Most actors are hired by the government to entertain us while they secretly carry out their own plans.

Hollywood actors? wtf, they're all in on it. Hollywood is simply the propaganda arm of the government.

Hollywood has to keep their mouth shut, they are a part of the evil that is ruining this world... Plus most of these actors and actresses are rich and WILL NOT be affected by the spying and whatnot the same way the general public will.

Most of Hollywood/media is under corporatist and zionist control. You think theyre gonna rally against their own establishment?? Why don't you see who owns the major studios, and who do u think the celebrities work for?

Being chased around by dirt bags with cameras all day may have desensitized them or gives them little sympathy for the rest of us.

'MURICA!

Nah. The banks and the government will be fighting for the job. They are the new checks and balances and we are just grease for the wheels.

It' s not even about the "science" it is about who is making the money and who has the control. If Jenny Mcarthy, or Andrew Wakefield, made more money by being skeptical to vaccine science and speaking out I would think the same thing about them that I do about the giant pharmaceutical companies. But they did not and do not and are being crucified in the media and in the public eye. Both of them would have made far more money and be far more "valuable" if they shut the fuck up and went on with their life.

So the fact that Jenny McCarthy's minimum speaking fee is $50,000 isn't a way to make money? I sure see a financial incentive in that stance for her. Considering that she was all but gone before she started her rabid anti-vaccine crusade.

And not looking at so called "biased" information is like refusing to hear or receive evidence. These "biased" viewpoints are extremely valid, if not more valid, than any scientific study that was paid for by big-pharma and most of them, Like Dr. Wakefield, simply questioned the science and asked for bigger and better studies to be done...which they have not nor do they intend to do.

Didn't Wakefiled's initial study only have a trial sample of 12 autistic children? It was studying how MMR causes bowel problems for kids with autism. 12 is a ridiculously small sample size. Nothing conclusive can come from a study that small. At best you have anecdotal evidence.

I'm all for bigger and better studies, but at what point is the study big enough or better enough to suit your needs? What does science need to do to cut through your confirmation bias?

Think about it this way... Smallpox was the leading cause of death in the 18th Century, and was eradicated by the 20th. Polio cases have been reduced by a factor of 100. And both of those things were accomplished by vaccines.

Do we need some more research? Sure, I can agree with that.

But a choice between kids have a 76% chance of dying from a disease we can vaccinate against, or a muuuuuuuuch lower chance of literally anything else happening... I'll take the latter.

I'm tellin you, I really applaud your trolling skills. You're good. :D