Is it just me or are all the conspiracy theories coming true?

345  2013-06-20 by [deleted]

I've trolled on here for a long time (much longer than my current profile name would suggest). And until very recently I've thought most of the posts on here are tin foil hat garbage. But now...

TWA Flight 800 actually was shot down by a missile? Genetically modified foods really do cause infertility and cancer? The government really is giving arms and weapons to Al Qaeda? The NSA and CIA are recording everything and creating a cashless society control grid? The 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th amendments no longer exist? The entire financial system of interest rates is fixed by a handful of elite bankers?

6 weeks ago I would have said all of this is nonsense. But now I cannot help but confront the facts.

Is it just me or all the conspiracy theories coming true?

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They're not "coming true". They're coming to light. Some (most?) have known the truth and have been trying to tell people about it. It's not a fucking game, nor is it a contest. If you're only now starting to realize that this shit is real, you're arriving at the party too late.

Google Project for a New American Century (PNAC), Rebuilding America's Defenses (published in 2000). They said that they needed a 'New Pearl Harbor". Imagine that, a year later they got one. This shit has been written in the wall for a ling time and nobody wanted to see it. Now it's pretty much too late to do anything but watch the police state apparatus close its jaws around us.

Also Startpage

Youtube is Google Inc.

Try to find an alternative video hosting site.

LOL. That's cute. And naive. At this point you might as well smash your cell phone on a rock, take a sledgehammer to your laptop/desktop, burn your house down and go live in the woods.

Or, you could...take a Prism break.

That's a pretty cool site! Thanks so much for posting

Is that like a soma break?

Ted Kaczynski

who conveniently was an MKULTRA test subject.

I love how hardly anyone knows that, when it's public information. ffs, it's literally ON his wikipedia page, and hasn't been removed.

You may or may not like hip hop, regardless this song by Ill Bill is 100% about Ted and outlines the entire ordeal. Exploding Octopus

He was accepted to Harvard at sixteen, Child prodigy, Math with specializing in complex analysis geometry, Earned a PHD in mathematics early, Youngest professor ever hired by U.C and Berkley

Check out /r/HipHopTruth

oh please, what do you think my username is in reference to? :)

I've seen LCN live

Don't you wanna live innawoods with me?

that sounds fun!

I've not used Google since the PRISM story broke and I've had no problems. DuckDuckGo is far better than it was just a few months ago. Most of the other spy-corporations I never used in the first place.

The only thing I need to work on now is learning a Linux setup. :/

Little late to the party? you think?

Find someone who's been doing this longer then you and learn.. and prepare...and then learn some more. Then prepare some more..Whatever you think you know and are prepared for...let me just be the first to say You don't know shit and aren't prepared for shit. Life could get extremely brutal with literally just the flip of the banker's switch. Read about the Chechnyan Revolution or about japanese internment. About how lighter's could afford an entire weeks meal. Learn about what it's like to try and take a simple nap or piss or shit during a revolution. This shit is real and we are going to see it with our very own eyes and probably within a generation.

Like Doctor brain wave said..this isn't a contest or a fucking game..this is real life. These people already know you... they already know all of us more then likely(I can almost guarantee not many here are good enough at computers to cover their tracks). These conspiracies aren't coming true.. They are just becoming known. Yes some conspiracies are happening in the now and its becoming easier to pick them apart. But let's face it..the biggest conspiracy of pretty much the century happened right in front of our faces and half of the population still believes it was those would be terrorists and their box cutters. The propaganda and mind control are STRONG with tptb.

Are conspiracies true? yes. Have they been all along? yes. Will they continue to be? Yes. At least until as a nation we take accountability and responsibility for our inaction and inability to make sure that the people's will was done by our supposed leaders.

Best advice: Learn and prepare..and then...learn and prepare some more.

Don't think I am berating you either. This is a simple communication of me telling you to get out of your own head. Take in as much as you can and realize that conspiracies are tied in to the very existence of our being. They have literally been around since the dawn of man. Our history is shaped by it and our future will be too unless we can know and accept the truth.

Scientia Est Potentia

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I think these things are being 'shut down' on the back end of government, so the media only brings it up once it's been handled, thus handing over the problem unless the white house wants to admit to the american people that they have some rogue factions in control of certain channels of information. The 3 letter agencies (NSA, DHS, CIA, etc.) were probably using the surveillance to spy even within government, but once the whistle was blown, it may be that they were stopped so they hand the story off to the media so the elected folk can take all the blame right on the forehead. It's actually quite smart - use these injustices to your advantage, and when caught, throw the story to the public so they can get enraged and create more distractions.

Veteran's Today (not a great source, but nonetheless) has been saying there has been an internal struggle in the intelligence/military agencies over the last year or so. They claim this is why all of the 'shootings/events' (newtown, batman, boston, etc.) have been so sloppy; there are elements who are trying to make the machine fall apart in the public view. So I think that could be what is happening here (just my opinion, not saying its absolute)...

I actually saw another theory on this idea in that Snowden was put in a position of extreme power when he was made an administrator of the NSA system. I believe that is not a role you just flippantly hand out. Some are arguing that it seems like Snowden was set up to blow the whistle by somebody within; usually a 3rd party contractor would not be put in such a position where they could compromise the entire NSA system very easily, or without great checks & balances. We could be seeing the public angle of an internal struggle.

Personally, I think the White Houses' information channels have all been hijacked a long time ago and that whoever is president is usually working with only a half-deck of cards at any one point. If i'm a person of great power, influence, and potency, and I want to control government, why would I waste my time with the elected officials who may or may not switch out for new people every 4 years? Instead i'd try to control the bureaucracy that doesn't switch over all the time. There has to be structure in washington; politicians have to delegate much of their work and depend greatly on intelligence reports and advisors. If the white house was being given bad information 'by mistake', how would they ever prove/deal with it? Tell the american public there is a shadowy hand they can't control? How quickly would he be impeached/lose all confidence if Obama said that?

I always say that if I were a family that owns the federal reserve and I were in control of selling money to countries, I wouldn't want anybody to know my face or name. That's what we're dealing with here - a faceless monster. Hopefully these things continue to come to light and we can start seeing some change. We'll have to wait and see tho...

Read this too: PDF WARNING: The Turning Of the Tides

This describes why people are blind to it all as well. Social subversion in education for over 100 years.

It should be easy to avoid the Police State.

Expatriate and emigrate before the border is closed.

They're not called the Global Elite for nothing. And, just in case you tripped and bumped your fucking head, their goal is a New World Order in which they kill off 80-95% of humanity and enslave the rest. You're not going to escape it by running. There will come a point where you need to make the decision of living on your knees or dying on your feet and that's not hyperbole. It's the simple fucking truth.

I dont mean to be a dick, I'm just tired of seeing people say this shit.The old adage, "you can run, but you can't hide", is appropriate here.

Then what's coming next?

the fork in the road.

a tyrannical police state or a renaissance of humanity.

Forked tongue of the Snake.

This year is Water Snake.

Good thing water symbolises change.

Yet it may not be a change that is good for you, it may benefit some but water is a very powerful force.

That's right exactly. The whole world is revolting while Americans sit around with their thumbs up their asses. Something's gotta give.

I love how people are so quick to say "Americans" in such a broad, sweeping manner. Americans are no different than any other human on this planet, goddamnit.

Maybe a wee-bit more money and fat on the bones. =)

Its most the western world thats complacent

cough London riots, much?

I don't know about next but I see a movement away from the petrodollar to a global digital currency. Basically they will need our GDP to prop up Europe, but first they will have to collapse our economy in order to make us beg for financial stability. Then everyone will marvel at how fast they provide it. Almost like they had it ready to go. These guys run in patterns. J.P. Morgan collapsed banks all over the country in the early 1900's. When a bill for a central bank was passed, people were ready for some fix to happen.

Why do you think bitcoin was such big news?

Why do you think moving your money to small credit union BEFORE this happens is a smart move? Don't let THEM collapse the banks, we should do it ourselves, on our terms. That'll send a clear message to them.

One world government and currency.
They're basically just waiting for the new Royal baby to come along and fulfill their prophecies, then it's actual-factual GO TIME! Also, not sure if this'll be before or after, but they're DEFINITELY giving us the predictive programming rundown for a Bluebeam scenario...
I'm glad people don't think I'm such a lunatic anymore! :)

That's the best part about all of this, friends don't think you're nuts, they're asking for advice and starting to ask questions.

If you believe in "Bluebeam", you're just gullible in my eyes.

It's just a mish-mash of old Star Trek episodes.

Thanks for that! I never said I believe in "Bluebeam" per se, I said we're being set up for a Bluebeam style situation (faked extra-terrestrial contact or threat scenario).
I'm happy to be called gullible- if people can't see the trend toward space fear and alien interactions being pushed to the max in just about every corner of "reality" at the moment, so be it!

:) "...in our obsession with antagonisms of the moment, we often forget how much unites all the members of humanity. Perhaps we need some outside, universal threat to make us recognize this common bond." President Reagan

One world government won't emerge until the continental trading blocs are set up. They are in the process of merging North and South America into a trading bloc, it's hardly talked about in the news but they have a Parliament of the Americas called ParlAmericas and several other organizations in the same vein, the "north american union" is going to be skipped to just make a giant Western Hemisphere trading bloc. Australia and that region will be in the Asian trading bloc, and of course theres the EU.

Also, you're still a lunatic. j/k

My understanding is that the Americas are the only ones left to consolidate into a trade bloc (could be wrong?). Australia has been part of ASEAN for quite some time now, the EU is functional and the African Union is running as smoothly as anything can in Africa (I'm fairly sure Gadaffi's demise was tied to this). I recall something about the "Amero" being ready to roll out quite a few months back, too.

:) Fringe lunacy FTW!

The end or the beginning

The beginning. We know how this will end.

With chocolate and cuddles and blankets

Or according to Jefferson,

"until their [the people's] children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered"

You guys do realize America doesn't actually have that big a role to play in all of this, right?

Your part is done and dusted. You were created as a sacrificial nation, and it has all panned out according to plan. There are far more ancient forces at work than the UN or US government...

What do you mean America doesn't have that big a role to play? I would say its being used as one of the main catalysts...

And these 'ancient forces' are more akin to 'old tradition', hardly anything supernatural or 'godly' as the phrase slyly suggests.

OP has a point. I was thinking the same thing earlier. It has been an odd landslide of conspiratorial 'discoveries' lately. It's nice that I'm finally being vindicated to some of my peers but I don't trust it. Maybe I'm just paranoid but what if its plan B? Since they couldn't takeover the internet completely/quick enough, they know it's only a matter of time before stuff like this comes out naturally. One way to control the direction of the eventual paradigm shift is to carefully leak the dirt on themselves. We already know they do shit like this as distraction...

Nice analysis. I also thought all this information is coming out too fast. Especially the fact even Fox is getting in on the action (which already de-credits any news delivered) which suggests that all this is part of the plan. If they cannot create fear from enemies abroad, maybe they can incite fear in enemies at home? Fear controls the masses, agitating them in any way is always the starting point. Then it gives them carte blanche to do what they like.

It's obvious to anyone that there is a bait hanging for a revolution to start. Even movies and video games are now all combatting "domestic terrorists" .... attacks on the white house.... etc.

Remember the expansions of power afforded to Martial Law in the past several years? What do you think will happen if they actually ever finally got Americans to revolt...

Didn't mean to "slyly suggest" anything.
America has played it's part and is on the way out (very rapidly!)- what more can it do to "catalyse" current or future world events, exactly? It's a UN game, focussed on the old European favourites and the further development and manipulation of S. America and Africa from here on in.

I don't think "old tradition" does justice to concepts that have been so intrinsically refined and worked through concensus reality for the express purpose of beneficial mass manipulation.

What else can America do? Well, we are funding/arming syrian rebels atm...

You're right though, 'old tradition' doesn't quite scratch the surface of what it all really entails. I'm sure there is a better word for it but the term 'ancient forces', at least for me, implies there is a magical/mystical aspect to it, beyond mortal human capabilities. I'm pretty sure I get what you're saying now anyway. Make no mistake about it, these so called 'ancient forces' are nothing but old ideals and the social devices that serve them.

America (and other global superpowers) have been funding BOTH SIDES all along- the only difference now is that it's being posed as an above-board option. Also, with the rapid economic decline, I'm not sure funding rebels and terrorists is going to continue at its past scale, either. About the magical/mystical aspect- I agree that no supernatural forces are at work, but I do think that many key figures in the "power structure" are practicing occultists/illuminists- hence New Age religion becoming so prolific in the last decade or so. I honestly don't think this "new spirituality" shift is a human response to dogma, fundamentalism and "the failings of the Church, but another manufactured control device.

Yup. I honestly almost fell for the new age shit myself. I'm just now realizing that's what that is. The old theology is crumbling and they need a new one to replace it, lest the majority of us start thinking for ourselves.

What country are you from? Do you know the ratio of guns to Amercans? Our guns are the fucking wild card and it's the only thing that they fear at this point. I find it endearing that people think the riots in Greece, Turkey and now Brazil are actually doing something. They're no threat. An unarmed mob is just that, a mob. The next thing on their agenda is disarming the United States. That's the point of no return for these psychopaths. They honestly don't know if it can be done without force and they know that, unlike Nuremberg, there will only be gallows awaiting.

Gun vs. Drone?

We've had two drones shot down in the area where I live already. It can be done.

I am amazed someone could hit one. A duck is hard enough, a drone I would have thought impossible.

It's not impossible, when you take into account they fly essentially just like paper airplanes, many of them are sent up on a parabolic arc to reach their "target" destination, and then do lazy-8s, etc from there to stay within the target area. Others like the military Predator are actually LARGER than many planes that people pilot, but don't have the same maneuverability.

An unarmed mob is just that, a mob.

While I largely agree with your insights, I would point out that an armed mob remains a mob - a chaotic, unfocused force.

Who is the "enemy"? It is undefined and enigmatic by design. Can you identify who or what should be the focus of the energy of resistance?

In order to be effective, the "mob" would need to communicate, organize and work together toward a common goal - that means accepting and recognizing a leadership.

But who to trust with that leadership? The Bolsheviks have a lesson to teach us in "revolution".

The raw energy of the mob is surprisingly predictable. The enigmatic "enemy" has long studied "mob psychology", and is well skilled in manipulating that raw energy.

I'm not saying that there is no hope, but I am saying that we should tread carefully, and be wary of "false messiahs".

The goal is to remain strong with the constitution and NEVER give up a single right to be out-dated or unnecessary. If we can do that, nothing can over power the people.

Agreed.

However we should be mindful that those who seek to increase their power are extremely clever an resourceful, and are fully aware that the best was to convince The People to surrender their rights is to contrive a position under which they will ask - nay - BEG that their rights be abandoned in the name of achieving some short-sighted goal.

False-flags are real, and they are not necessarily easy to recognize.

I would add that, among all of the rights we retain, the single most important is that right which allows us to resist those that would deprive us of our natural rights.

I'm sure you know what I mean.

Well said.

Oh noes. Not an ellipsis at the end!

He must have "secret knowledge". /s

According to Lord Xenu?

Just. No.

A succession of leaders each worse then the last.. You cannot prove me wrong

id argue Herbert Walker was a better president then Reagan.

At least far more qualified for the job.

Given that HW was the VP and most seem to believe Reagan was a puppet...I'd say it's a wash.

one world government and a global currency.

Asteroids > Aliens

This reference is brought to you by Carol Rosin's testimony where she apparently talked to Wernher von Braun on his death bed.

"He said the strategy that was being used to educate the public and decision makers was to use scare tactics… That was how we identify an enemy."

Communists > Terrorists > Rogue Nations > Asteroids > Aliens

You cant police me!

The storm.

reverse causality skynet singularity

More false flag terror possibly nuclear or biological to be blamed on domestic enemies and to solidify the new war footing.

Watch V for Vendetta...

Oh, please! If you are going to mention it, you should have said read V For Vendetta.

(PNAC) seems a little dated when you visit their website, is there a new organization that took over this role?

Check out who the Founding Fathers of the neocon PNAC movement. It was practically Bush's entire inner circle. What a shock. Check it out.... and I FUCKING GOOGLED IT. And it's a fucking non-profit, by the way...

http://www.newamericancentury.org/

We're Snowden. It's all coming down on everyone.

Not sure if intentional pun - but I giggled nonetheless.

He spelled snowed in as Snowden and you're still not sure? Now you're making me giggle.

I feel the same way, I always thought "hell, all that stuff could happen.. But it probably won't.. I don't see the cops marching around and busting into peoples' homes.." Then the Marathon bombings happened (I live in Boston).. And I saw it! Talk about an eye-opener..

Something something and then they came for me.

We ever get any solid proof those two actually did that bombing?

Nope. Have y'all heard anything about them at all in the past month or so?

Just what his mother said he told her on the one phone call he's been allowed so far, that he strongly stated his innocence and that he was angry, incredibly confused and distraught.

the media said they did it. media is the new judge and jury. dont question the media citizen.

I'd suggest "social media" are being pushed as the new judge and jury. "Everyday citizens" are now submitting "evidence", making the disenfranchised slightly more likely to buy the story than they would from directly from the media corporations.

Exactly, when it really happens in real life, we get the long drawn out process of tiny odd facts, miscellaneous court hearings, dirty details, etc. When its a patsy, there's NO notice at all, huge catastrophe, the death toll, perp dies. Police are heroes. Story wrapped in neat little bow. Over in days. Its weird to me how stupid they think people are. Not everyone watching believes in this real life soap opera playing out.

im still waiting for the updates on the old man they arrested with the bomb strapped to his chest. I listened for 2 hours at work while they sent in robots to disarm him, yet he was never mentioned.

Wow, I never ever heard of that!

Exactly, when it really happens in real life, we get the long drawn out process of tiny odd facts, miscellaneous court hearings, dirty details, etc. When its a patsy, there's NO notice at all, huge catastrophe, the death toll, perp dies. Police are heroes. Story wrapped in neat little bow. Over in days. Its weird to me how stupid they think people are. Not everyone watching believes in this real life soap opera playing out.

Yeah we'll those of us who were paying attention in the ’90s knew this shit was coming down, I'm just surprised at how playbook it is. I was expecting something different but it's wholly unimaginative, and literally predicted by a lot of people.

I want to know... what was predicted in the 1990s that has yet to fully appear?

You don't have to believe Ron Paul. Believe Joe Biden:

https://www.google.com/search?q=the+bill+that+john+ashcroft+sent+up+was+my+bill

Martial law

Crap. So FEMA camps are real, too?

I've researched and read that manual pretty extensively, and researched the job that it covers. The manual was never leaked, it's a standard army manual that's been around for years. The PDF is only 3 clicks away from the front page of the Army's primary documentation site (http://www.apd.army.mil/). The sites that make it out to be something sinister typically piece together quotes out of context from different parts of the manual to make it sound like something it's not. All of what's described in the manual seem like something that the army would realistically have to deal with sometimes. If there's something inappropriate or sinister about this manual, it would take quite a bit more research into the job and the history of the document to show it. I suspect that although it may have changed names, this job and manual probably have existed in the army in some form for decades.

Yes, yes they are. They say our prisons are too impacted and release illegal immigrants instead of deporting them, and release actual criminals...meanwhile these empty prisons DO exist and are all over the country.

yes you should drive by the one closest to you. it is a truly frightening site/sight.

Even if they're not -- Uncle Sugar has a shitton of concertina and army tents.

And Army posts are built on huge tracts of land.

Had an Army intell guy tell me once, that all major highways run through government land purposefully. That way, if a rebellion sprang up, they could effectively cut the country in half or in quarters to isolate the resistance. Never did the research to find out if it was true, but it left an impression of how fucked we might be.

Ever see a football stadium? Those are FEMA camps.

...dang, downvotes for pointing out the obvious! Everyone forget Katrina already?

Idk dude lrn2google

TPP on the fucking front page? Washingtons' Blog none the less. what is going on. Seriously. The mods have deleted shit like this before or it got no attention. I truly want to believe that 'we are finally gaining traction' but I just can't help but think this shit is being allowed to get public attention for whatever reason.

Because they are ready for the fight.

The powers in charge are letting this happen, no question. The real question is - why? And why now?

They've always been true. "Conspiracy theory" is just a phrase used to cast doubt, destroy credibility and keep things in the dark. Not everything is true of course, and there are certainly nut jobs out there, but simply investigating and uncovering truths is not insane. They are aspects of personal responsibility and intelligence.

Well said. It's sad that people view that as a dismissive term. This is one of those cases where you wish you were wrong about it all. I wonder how we are going to react when they shut down all communications...

http://youtu.be/YGAaPjqdbgQ

You were warned. You were warned a long time ago and chose to insult or ignore those speaking to you.

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never underestimate the power of cognitive dissonance.

Haha. This is conspiracy light brother. So I wouldn't say they're all coming true. I mean this is kiddy pool shallow end of the conspiracy ocean.

It gets so much weirder.

Once they've been proven, we can safely drop the extraneous word "theory".

oh no it must be that 52% of the population is nuts, we better put them in these camps that just materialized here...

They use bullshit like "reptilians" and the "moon landing" to shame and belittle you for posting facts and the truth about those subjects. They even hire internet goon-squads to come in here and downvote you or speak against you...Tell you to "go get your tinfoil hat you loser!" etc, etc.

The most blatant conspiracy of all is the one behind everything you mentioned. It's Zionism. Take a look at the Israeli supreme court building.

Actually, I know of at least one person (I won't quote names) in this very thread who believes the Moon landings were faked, so perhaps you should reconsider your claim.

Some other people in this thread also have equally extreme views.

You've forgotten where you are.

They even hire internet goon-squads to come in here and downvote you or speak against you...Tell you to "go get your tinfoil hat you loser!" etc, etc.

Fucking milk drinkers.

If you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention.

I don't think people are giving you enough credit for this quote. +1

I cant help but think it's all just conditioning. This stuff is coming out on purpose I think.

Its not that they are coming true, its that we've had their documents and read them and put 2+2 together and got 4, while everyone else was stuck on the two twos and couldn't put them together.

Its not that they are coming true, its that we've had their documents and read them and put 2+2 together and got 4, while everyone else was stuck on the two twos and couldn't put them together. didn't give a shit about it.

didn't give a shit about it.

Because it was never explained to them why they should, oh... and sports.

I feel like I'm the only one of my generation who cares about the future of my country. Everyone else is preoccupied by the Miami Heat. Sports were created by people with money to pacify people without it. It would explain why everyone always inquires as to why I'm oblivious to almost every sport.

its always hot in miami, why is everyone paying so much attention to the heat now?

Sports were created by people with money to pacify people without it.

I would have to argue the contrary here. Sports have been around since ancient times (the Olympics), and many cultures without a form of currency (such as the Iroquois and lacrosse) participated in sporting events.

Should have specified. The modern day spectacle major sports have become. i.e., NFL, MLB, NBA etc.

Although I agree that sports have (obviously) become a major spectacle and can help pacify the population, I would still have to disagree that they were created for that sole purpose. Maybe that comes from the bias that I hold (former college basketball player, whole family is deeply involved in sports).

I think that the government has taken advantage of the joy and passion that sports bring to the people, and spun it in a way to benefit them. However, there is no denying the government is involved in sports now. Just look at the steroid hearings for MLB a few years ago, senators who knew nothing about the game were conducting the trials.

2+2=5

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The 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th amendments no longer exist?

Nope. Still there. You can still speak freely, and buy guns, no soldiers are commandeering your home for their barracks, law enforcement still needs a warrant to search your home, and you wont be charged for a crime twice or forced to testify against yourself.

Something I've heard from several different 'news' sources more this past week has been "Since 9/11, everything changed." Which really got me thinking about how intentional 9/11 was in order to have the government take over the internet and become a true surveillance state. Something I've heard dozens of times on this subreddit just kinda clicked in my head.

After the Sandy Hook Shooting & Boston false flag bombing many people woke up, including me, It just didn't make sense how many mistakes were covered in the news.

The conspiracies relating to financials are coming to the surface. The Arab spring, wikileaks and the OWS movement have been critical sources of fuel for this fire. The reptilian shape shifters of David Icke will never be proven to exist, IMHO. I have always found it odd that these two pools of very different thought share the same sub.

There is Conspiracy Fact and Conspiracy Fiction. What is shocking is that so many people don't even know what the word Conspiracy means.

Disinfo Trolls will create a mountain of Conspiracy Fiction to discredit Conspiracy Fact.

They were always true you just weren't ready to accept you were being lied to.

When do the people start getting pissed off and we take it to the streets like in Turkey or Brazil. That would be something, oh wait....the NBA finals are on and the new episode of Duck Dynasty is on tonight. :/ Just keep the entertainment coming, fuck our rights. Right?

Lot's more to come out, actually.

The World News subreddit and this subreddit look very similiar the past month.

They should rename this reddit... Conspiracy aka tomorrow's news

I still can't agree with the GMO giving people cancer stuff. That makes absolutely no sense at all. Someone out there, please explain it to me, I will debate if you're not convincing.

There are a few studies showing GMO triggers cancer development...

There are many studies that say it doesn't. Isn't GMO usually just combining the genes of, for example, a strain of wheat that grows tall and a strain of wheat that is resistant to cold weather? Humans have been cross-breading plants for years and years; the modern banana is a sweat version of a fruit that was similar to a plantain developed in the 1800's, and the strawberry is a cross between a flower from the Carolinas area and a cousin of it from the Brazil area. I really don't understand how that causes cancer. Sure, pesticides and other junk like trans fats may be bad, but I really don't understand how GMO could cause cancer.

Whatever happened to the "precautionary principle"?

Isn't GMO usually just combining the genes of, for example, a strain of wheat that grows tall and a strain of wheat that is resistant to cold weather?

It could also be a strawberry spliced with fish genes in order to resist colder temperatures. Delicious when topped with whipped cream from a cow fed with tons of antibiotics...you know that cow lived a healthy life!

Huh, that's intriguing! I had no idea that it was so weird in cases like that!

Yeah the pro GMO shills like to straw man by conflating your typical cross breeding as "genetically modified" when all the major GMO crops are transgenic in nature.

great example! our tech lab teacher said something about this with tomatoes and the fish genes allowed us to have HUGE tomatoes even after a late season frost or something like that

Possibly there could be some faulty GMOs that could cause cancer if they are modified in a way that a carcinogenic gene is created in the final product? A possibility. Perhaps the solution is to just test new GMO strains for at least say 2 years before they reach the market.

They tested that new GMO salmon for 25 years, and people in here still aren't satisfied.

Sone studies some infertility effects that only appear late in the life of the mice they study. We are all laboratory mice and we can't know what contains GMO.

Here we go, this might be confusing but here's the general gist: GMOs are not innately bad; the current GMO strategies are evil-incarnate.

The main GMOs of today are crops that have been modified to be glyphosate resistant. Glyphosates are extremely toxic herbicides and a few ml will kill a person in a matter of minutes.

So what has Monsanto gone and done? They make crops glyphosate resistant so crops can take it up into their system, but the glyphosate will not dry out the plant, it just stays in the plant doing nothing (until you eat it). Then they tell farmers to spray all the glyphosate they want, it won't harm your crops. So the farms do, they spray that shit everywhere, and indeed, it kills the weeds but leaves the crops intact. After a few seasons, the glyphosate concentration in the ground increases, and increases, and increases, and increases. Until eventually we'll have lettuce with enough PPM of glyphosate that it starts outright killing people after you eat it. The cancers and such you start getting before the PPM reaches a lethal dose.

That is why GMOs aren't inherently bad, it's the GMO strategies that we use that are going to kill us.

Don't forget CNN's coverage of the Bilderberg meeting. That was a big one.

Even the one about lizard people?

If that one is true, I really, really, want off this rock.

I doubt it.

I wouldn't doubt it. This world is a weird fuckin' place.

It's good. A lot of people were starting to questionthe status quo during the world-wide recession. And it's happening now with PRISM again

they were always true.

people call us crazies -.-

I have a serious question. How do you guys/or where do you guys get your food to avoid GMO's? HUH?!

Try shopping at your local market, they will have produce from local farmers. There is an app called fooducate you can download for free, you can scan stuff and it will tell you if it could be gmo product or not as well as other neat options. I have also started going to the farmers market on the weekendends (its also cheaper). I hope some of this helps.

Thank you. I've been looking online and I'm just so confused. Some people are saying that it is impossible to get seeds that are non GMO, unless you go way out into the wild, then the next article says "here are two easy ways to avoid GMO's," but then the comments section has people complaining about how difficult it actually is. Arg!

It is very difficult, indeed. Monsanto, Cargill, Bayer, and Dow Chemical essentially control all domestic food production in the United States and a large part of the UK, Canada, Germany, and a few other nations.

Monsanto, for instance, owns the patents on the base genome for 95% of all soybeans produced in the US. Think about that, they control if and when seeds are allowed to be bought, sold, modified, etc. Now consider how much soy is now in the American diet. You can hardly escape it.

Another poster mentioned strawberries. This is a good one, because there are essentially no pure strains of strawberries left anywhere in the the entire world. Even the wild berries have been contaminated by the GMO'd versions and are essentially extinct for all intents and purposes.

Corn? Forget it, even most local farmers use Monsanto, Cargill, Dow, or Bayer corn stock. There's no way you can verify one way or another without having it taken and examined at a lab.

Wheat, barley, rye and oats are a tossup. Large producers are most certainly using the GMO'd versions, leaving you to search out specialty suppliers.

So, what can you do? There are options to purchase organic from specialty producers, but even then you must be careful, as about 3-4 companies up the organic company subsidiary chain, guess who's staring back at you.

God dam. Well I appreciate your response. I just don't know what to believe anymore, but I know one thing. I do not trust any company that wants to manipulate the food supply and dictate what the market produces. May I ask where you get your food from? Do you know specialty buyers, grow it, etc? I've had a few family members and one young friend die of cancer recently, and in no way am I saying GMO's caused it, but it has opened my eyes up and I want to take my health more seriously.

You'd have to check your particular locality. If you live in a large city, more often than not you'd have to search within a 20-30 mile radius outside of the city limits.

We have a few farmers here who do total organic and sell directly to customers and restaurants.

You are welcome. It can be very frustrating, but it gets easier once you learn which markets sell what. Fooducate is very helpful too, takes time but it does help.

wide awakening my friend :]

TWA Flight 800 actually was shot down by a missile?

We haven't seen any evidence yet, just claims that a new documentary will have new evidence. Still, I've always thought that a cover-up here was vastly more plausible than all the 9/11 theories.

Genetically modified foods really do cause infertility and cancer?

No.

The government really is giving arms and weapons to Al Qaeda?

Hmmm.

The NSA and CIA are recording everything

Probably not. There's has been discussion of what the NSA is actually doing in the mainstream media for years.

and creating a cashless society control grid?

What?

The 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th amendments no longer exist?

No. If you just read the headlines on /r/conspiracy, you might think this, but if you're actually familiar with the court cases and history, it's just not true. Yesterday on /r/conspiracy there was a story about how now, due to a new court ruling, your keeping silent could be held against you! But if you actually read the details, this was a gross distortion. The person was trying to create a new right and the argument was rejected by the court. This wasn't the elimination of some previously-recognized right.

A few days ago, there was a story about how the Supreme Court was banning all protest at the Supreme Court. What a rape of the 1st Amendment! Unless you actually read the details, when you find out that this was just a more precise statement of the rules that have been in place since 1947.

The courts are recognizing broader Second Amendment rights now than ever before in history. Since DC v. Heller, the Second Amendment is much stronger.

The Third Amendment, dude? Seriously? Or are you trolling?

Also, all conspiracy theories? Lizard men? The moon is not real? There were no Japanese planes at Pearl Harbor? I could go on and on.

Thanks for being so apologetic. The NWO needs dick riders like you. Pat yourself on the shoulder genius.

Up vote for for the use of the phrase "dick riders".

How bout some sources.

r/conspiracy is where I get my news.

Has anyone considered that Obama actually wanted this shit to come to light? That the administration is pushing the bull shit to the max, hoping the people will revolt and get the courts to change things?

No, people who support Obama are just experiencing cognitive dissonance. Since day one this sub knew that prick was a sell-out. When they first announced his candidacy this sub was littered with numerous posts as to his main campaign financiers, all WallStreet+Oil firms. With the devil himself, Goldman Sachs, at the top of the list. Some little known Senator from the state of Illinois with billions of dollars backing him. Yeah fucking right, give me a break. Wake up, you've been had.

Glad to see youre finally waking up. but theyre not coming true, theve always been true. Theyre just now being seen

Its almost as if these tin-foil hatters are prophetic and can tell the future.

Is it just me or all the conspiracy theories coming true?

They've always been true, but the "mainstream" news is finally reporting on them and starting to ask the question: "Is the government against our best interests?" so to many people it seems like they're now "coming true".

Revelation of the method...

Where is the proof that TWA was shot down?

No. You are just awakening to the idea that there exists more than meets the eye.

Nothing is as it appears, nothing we've been told is wholly true.

I wonder, as you admit to trolling here quite some time, how many people have you claimed were conspiratards?

How many /u/jcm267 are there in here now? Bastards.

An if you have a look over at /r/conspiratard, they're still hard at work denying that any of this is actual truth. They just mock any and all 'revelations' or truth to conspiracies because they dislike Alex Jones or something.

My ghost is whispering to me that this scenario is not a coincidence. Ask yourself this:

What is the meta-picture?

I have to say I agree with a large amount of those conspiracies, however there are some that I don't agree with, however I respect your right to believe as you wish. Should you allow me to speak on one of those conspiracies, GM food products to be exact, I would like to share my opinion on it.

As a student attending University for Biochemistry and Bio technologies in order to one day become a Genetic Engineer myself. I don't believe GM foods when made properly can cause cancer. When you introduce a modified gene into an organisms DNA, it mostly is to produce a new or different amino acid sequence which results in a protein, enzyme, or catalyst for a reaction. There are some proteins that could cause damage to DNA and therefor result in cancer, however, if the Genetic engineers analyze the organism to determine all chemicals of that sample they can find the protein produced by the chance and determine its effects, both beneficial and adverse.

GMO's have a relatively bad name in today's society, I feel it is because of genetics only being in its infancy stage as well as the civilian backlash from using human blastocysts (embryos shortly after fertilization which contains about 100 cells) to produce stem cells for medical treatment (ie, cloning tissues and organs for transplant)

Thank you for taking the time to read my opinion on the GM food's conspiracy and respecting my right to do so as I have respected your right. Please don't take all what I have said as absolute fact as I am going off my memory and there are bound to be faults somewhere in it. Hopefully once I finally become a G.E. I will be able to do right and make sure that all products or techniques I aid in developing are safe and have little to no adverse affects. Anyways enough rambling on my end. Have a wonderful day everyone!

They're conspiracy facts, brother.

Is it mother fucker or brother

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Not always mutually exclusive. :)

First one didn't go through, thought there might be some sort of language filter on the sub. Let's go with MOTHERFUCKERRRRR

Grand Jew has yet to be revealed still,but many "coming true,"they ALWAYS WERE TRUE not COMING TRUE.

Hey Solinvictus! Yeah you've been around way longer, and now all the people in here that have been saying this stuff for years look like Einstein.

Obvious to some, oblivion to others.

They have always been true.

Guns are an obvious flaw in your narrative. Gun rights have greatly expanded in recent years, they are not going away.

They're conspiracy facts, motherfucker.

They're conspiracy facts, motherfucker.

the evidence has always been there, some of it bogus, but a lot of it true. people just don't want to believe unless it comes from the so called "official" sources. when the "official" sources are owned and operated by the people trying to maintain control though you won't get any real information from them.

Can't wait for the big one: 'ET UFOs are real'

and the even bigger: 'All these conspiracies are because the ETs are forcing the government to do it.'

Think about it, why did Obama change completely? Why has he come in-line with the NWO? maybe some knowledge so terrible you can't fathom it is forcing his hand? Either that or he is just the typical power hungry ahole.

This implies that politicians are basically good people. I think everything you examine about politician personal lives makes this the least likely explanation,

Or he was just lying to get elected. You know, just like every other politician.

Yes....It's just you.

All we need now is for them to slip up about 9/11, and we will have what us "crazies" need.

Im still waiting to hear how the moon is hollow and we really are being controlled by lizard people from a secret planet.

Textbook trolling right here.

Dont blame me, this is the stuff that comes out of this subreddit. No trollin necessary.

I blame you.

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Im still waiting to hear how the moon is hollow and we really are being controlled by lizard people from a secret planet.

You are a lying troll. Just go away.

No trollin necessary.

And yet, here you are.

Way to deflect the argument. OP stated that all the conspiracy theories were coming true. I pointed out the ones that havent yet. You call that trolling?

Yes, I do. It's obvious from your comment history that you come here and post irrelevant, inflammatory comments just to get people to respond to you.

OP asking, "is it just me or are all the conspiracies coming true?" is not making the claim that they are coming true, the sentence is obviously intended to express his surprise of recent events.

Yes, I do. It's obvious from your comment history that you come here and post irrelevant, inflammatory comments just to get people to respond to you.

No, I come here to point out flawed logic and leaps to conclusions that are WAY too common among conspiracy theorists. If you want to be respected, provide evidence and facts. If you want to look like just another ignorant tinfoil hat, keep doing what you're doing.

Just you, none are true, just stupid people congregate to this sub reddit because they are pot smoking liberal revolutionists. All of you, stop being fucking retards.

Floruide isn't poison, it is good for your teeth.

The government did cause 9/11, two planes flew into the buildings.

Airplanes are not spewing mind control smoke.

All of you are retarded.

-Ethan Schwartz

You're manifesting these. This is the primary method of control, the conspiracy movements are run by two faced traitors. They understand the law of attraction and they use you to create their view of reality. All it takes to work is thinking about something in detail for a minute with strong emotion. Use it for good now that you know. Visualize what you want, and not what you don't.

"Your imagination is your preview to life's coming attractions." -Albert Einstein

You're right. Nobody really has faith in america anymore and that's leading to a steady decline. Countries collapse often enough, but history reminds us how sudden and disastrous it is when empires fall.

We could maybe all prevent this if we just started having faith in each other and healing ourselves of fear and greed. That may sound corny but it's a much better alternative to where we're currently headed.

Yeah, he's right. The government doesn't want you to know your true powers. Did you know if you close your eyes and use mental positive energy you can actually levitate? Try it on a scale where you weigh yourself. There's a few techniques but basically you can get the weight to slowly go down. You may never lift up, but you will have proven it correct. I highly recommend tinfoil as a form of quantum mechanical catalyst as mentioned in the videos that /u/Illustrio linked. It is quite effective at keeping out the gravity rays from the sun beams. Just make sure you put on some music to get the good energy flowing. I recommend Lady Gaga.

You put all that effort into being snide? Look, human beings may not be able to lift rocks with our minds, but we've emptied quarries with nothing more than our backs. Now people can even lift themselves out of ignorance, trauma, and subservience if they so choose. That truly is a powerful thing. The only obstacles preventing that are their own fears and cynical adversaries who would discourage them.

I think you're further down the rabbit hole than I am. (And I mean that in a completely neutral manner.)

Had to check if I was in /r/batshitinsane again.

no, that's your life.

HURRRRRR. IM A COMEDIEUN.

You make people laugh, that's for sure. Probably not intentionally.

Check out a movie called "The Secret" its a bit new-age but the principle of us creating or having influence our own, individual realities is well established in the dark arts. And since we are all one, it also works on a group level. Don't forget "they" want Chaos, they want revolution, without it they cannot offer us the Order that will be our salvation.

Might as well skip that and look into hermeticism and esoteric symbolism.

"The Secret" seems to be The Kybalion repackaged and tries to use the words science uses to explain it. Which only serves to agitate the science hive-mind.

I am so pleased to see a comment of this nature here, especially with it being upvoted. There's a lot of layers and levels to 'waking-up', but they all lead here, to the fundamental layers of reality. We are in a War on Beliefs. Arm yourselves, folks. ;)

Also, fractals. Everywhere. As above, so below....

The truth is like an onion...so many different layers of false truths

The onion is a favorite for me, too. A fractal onion, even. ;)

I completely agree. The Federation Reserve is printing and inflating money away from our power as a species and the truth and justice of mankind. We'll end up in FEMA camps before its too late!

Arm yourself with your fractal power and energize up the universe into energy everywhere!

Next time you see a cancer patient, slap them because they deserve it because of their negative thoughts!

It's more complicated than that. Save it for someone else, dude. Slap people with cancer? Wtf? You are babbling. Fractal power?!? Saying stupid shit won't make you any smarter.

Dude, keep your negative thoughts directed away from me. You're hurting me with your mind power. I'm trying to be positive and be in agreement with your comments about fractals for the sake for the human species and you're violating rule #10.

A shitty sockpuppet says whut?

Well you create your own reality so the problem must be in your head.

It's fractals, basically.

Saying stupid shit won't make you any smarter.

What are you like a scientist now! I don't need the education system to judge me, I can judge myself and i give myself an A for effort and good intentions.

You have a problem with open-mindedness or something?

All you are doing is showing that I went over your head, into areas you can't actually keep up with, discuss intelligently. You don't have the perspectives or knowledge necessary. Sort of like if you were talking bathtub hooch and I bothered to argue it, having no brewin' experience of my own.

A jcm by any other name is still a shitty sockpuppet.

Oh, you believe everything the government tells you? Well all the things we've been saying are coming true now. The evidence is clear: The NSA, Bilderberg, Big Oil, Pharma, The Fed, Obamacare, FEMA camps, it's all happening and you can't stop it. There will be no skeptics in the end.

Well, this has been real fun and all, but it's a gorgeous morning and I need to spend it working. I accept that you have nothing better to do than try to engage me, but I also accept that this pattern was deemed useless years ago, so on I move.

Enjoy that hooch!

Definitely have thought this recently. The conspiracy movement is obviously run by agents of the same people who control us (Alex Jones, David Icke, Mark Dice, Adam Kokesh). What is the answer? I think it is important to be aware of this stuff, but not to be fully consumed by it. Think positive, stay positive :)

You suffer the same level of deep seated paranoia as the 'conspiretards' that give fringe theory researchers a bad name. You decide randomly that your archetypal heros are now secret government / reptillian alien shills and foam at the mouth calling for them to be burnt at the stake.

It's a contemporary witch hunt, and instead of paranoid crazy little girls telling tall tales we have ... oh wait. Paranoid crazy little girly boys telling tall tales. Put the bong down, it's taken it's toll on you bro.

I think it is important to be aware of this stuff, but not to be fully consumed by it.

Right on! Have some upvotes.

My biggest concern with it is, once you know that you have the power (quantum) to change reality with your mind, how do you resist doing certain things? Like even for humor reasons. Like if I wanted to blow up a girl's skirt or something how would you stop the urge to do something like that. This is a serious question. I may have a problem.

If you're reading this and haven't watched "The Secret" yet, I'd say proceed with caution. Something your "wants" can be interpreted incorrectly by the Universe. It's not much better than Microsoft voice recognition.

Can you explain how manifestation works? Did I manifest your comment before I read it? (Totally serious.)

There is a full chain of manifestation and since we are all one, we all co-create the reality we share with God. As we are made in God's image, we have the same good and bad spirits in us in miniature and we interact with these spirits every day of our lives with our thoughts and emotions. This is the best explanation of how the law of attraction works that I've seen, but it is not perfect.

So the "elite" are basically just powerhouses of willful negativity? Are demons pockets of negative energy that they channel?

See them as powerhouses of negative energy, not negativity. Everything works from a zero point, neutrality, and then we create our surroundings with our energy. We all do this together. Have you heard stories of how passing kindness to one person makes that person pass it to someone else, and so on and on? Well, it works exactly like that except it's being manipulated. It isn't a conspiracy, but if we shine light on this truth we can create a better world together.

Look at how the hierarchal system works. When the person at the top becomes corrupt, it leaks down through out the whole. It also permeates our surroundings, everything in our existence. I could give an example if you're interested in hearing my 'crazy', but if not I'll understand.

Btw, sorry for butting in!

I am interested.

Sweet! I'll give this another go. Last night I was so tired, the reply was a huge word-jumble mess.

When you wake up every day, you have a choice of making it a good day or bad day. Especially if you didn't have any dreams, the moment you open your eyes you are in neutrality. Nothing is influencing your thoughts negatively or positively, until you start to choose what you think about and how you perceive it.

Let's say you just went grocery shopping yesterday and bought a ton of food. You woke up and remembered you purchased pancakes yesterday and are super excited about it! Pancakes are freaking awesome, especially with fruit on top... A week later, you wake up and realize that you forgot to go grocery shopping and all you have are pancakes and fruit. Meh. They aren't so exciting this time around because it's all that you have. The only thing that changed about this scenario is the perception chosen. Instead of appreciating the greatness of these delicious cakes (I just started liking them recently, so good!) you no longer desire them because it's all you have. It's like you perceive that you have no choice in that moment, when actually the choices you had made up to that point have created that scenario, so why be down about it?

I really hope you like pancakes, otherwise I don't think it will make too much sense, lol.

With companies, when CEOs start worrying more about money than employees, morale goes down through out the whole structure. They set an example of how it should function. Along with feeling unappreciated, employees are more than likely working a lot of hours and getting underpaid. While they're getting underpaid, they need things they can buy to live; other countries are getting underpaid so their government can receive money from OUR government to keep policies low so our companies can use their people to meet the lifestyle of our people.

Our country is the most overworked population in the world currently, and instead of building personal relationships to grow from, we buy things. They're like little additions to who we are. We buy all of this crap and where is it all going to go? The Earth can't break down landfills fast enough for us to use that as a proper way of disposal. I think it's because we're trying to complete ourselves with THINGS versus growing from a true relationship; we haven't reached a balance yet between our intelligence and lifestyles to make it possible. We grow from our personal relationships, and with growth comes wisdom. Growth doesn't come from buying things, working all of the time and pretending to be happy about being there, and drowning our sorrows of the empty lives we lead in alcohol or medications.

The average American doesn't really have time for their family- what are we here for then? Our born right of developing and maintaining relationships with the people we care for is now a rare reward? We're social to the core, we're meant to socialize with one another; not work all of the time like useless slaves.

If we stand up for ourselves and not work jobs that take away from our value of life, then we'll create something different. Humanity won't come to a standstill and never function again, we would rebuild something else. The initiative has to be there though, otherwise it won't happen. We can't expect a leader to make a different way of life a smooth transition for us, we have to use our individual energy to contribute to the whole.

The universe is in constant motion and change, and we're apart of it. Another way to think of neutrality is think of the Earth with out us humans on it. How peaceful and beautiful it would be. Then add us. Why does that beauty and harmony have to be destroyed just because we're here?

Ahh, this is long as well, I'm terribly sorry! :( What do you think? Does it make sense?*

It looks like you have it figured out from your epic matrix post. Here is a good and short video proving how it works scientifically: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeFuc-qFKoA

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Holy shit, this comment is amazing.

What a well thought out comment! Kudos.

Regardless of whether the law of attraction is real or not, your post is terrible and that video is terrible

Shoddy work.

quantum physics really is proof that your thoughts effect the outcome of any given situation. watch a video expaining the double slit expiriment, that should explain it a little better. why are you even on r/conspiracy if your just going to try to disprove the biggest secret ever kept from humanity?

EDIT: if you want even more proof, just try it yourself.

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but what the double slit expiriment clearly shows is that either a) atoms know when you are looking at them or b) the atoms are in your head. if you can come up with another way to interperate it, then you will have an argument.

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what do you mean "the way you observe something can change which behavior you see"? you either observe something or you don't, and the behavior is dicided by weither you observe it or not. anyway, you can say "no, thats not what it shows" to anything you want, what i'm interested in is how you still did not explain why observation effects the outcome. give me a different explination than the one i gave, please.

EDIT: speaking of relativity, it says that time is relative to the observer. but wait, as any physicist will tell you, space-time is one fabric, so if the time you percieve is relative to each individual, then the space you percieve must also be relative to the observer, and thats exactly what i am trying to say to you, that what you physically see is relative to the observer. thanks for bringing that up.

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you're throwing around simplifications and concepts you don't understand.

"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." - Albert Einstein

I have given you an explination and all you can do is say "no, it's not true" without giving me a different explination as to why they behave the way they do. If you can, then you will gain some credibility. I am not saying atoms know if you are watching them, I gave the only 2 explinations I could think of and that was one of them, I personally believe the other one. Give me a third explination, please, because if you can't then you really don't have any solid ground to stand on. You didn't even give any kind of argument whatsoever to my explination of relativity, again, all you could say was "it's wrong" without saying why.

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I just mentioned the ones that I had read in the past 5 minutes. Of course I left out... doctored chemical weapons "analysis" against Syria, secret trans-pacific trade deal now in Congress, Monsanto "Nobel" food award, bizarre 4am fiery crash of NSA/FBI/DOD reporter, study showing 70 percent of Americans are on prescription drugs, G8 protests, Chiptole admitting it's impossible to serve GMO-free food, massive protests in Brazil and Turkey...

AND THAT IS JUST WHAT I READ TODAY.

Shit... Well I guess I gotta stop eating Chipotle.

/r/conspiracy as a whole likes to parade the 'hits' and ignore the 'misses'. The London Olympics and the last Super Bowl are great examples of a bajillion misses being ditched for the next so-called false flag flavor of the month.

Also Startpage

LOL. That's cute. And naive. At this point you might as well smash your cell phone on a rock, take a sledgehammer to your laptop/desktop, burn your house down and go live in the woods.

but what the double slit expiriment clearly shows is that either a) atoms know when you are looking at them or b) the atoms are in your head. if you can come up with another way to interperate it, then you will have an argument.

It's more complicated than that. Save it for someone else, dude. Slap people with cancer? Wtf? You are babbling. Fractal power?!? Saying stupid shit won't make you any smarter.

Thanks for that! I never said I believe in "Bluebeam" per se, I said we're being set up for a Bluebeam style situation (faked extra-terrestrial contact or threat scenario).
I'm happy to be called gullible- if people can't see the trend toward space fear and alien interactions being pushed to the max in just about every corner of "reality" at the moment, so be it!

:) "...in our obsession with antagonisms of the moment, we often forget how much unites all the members of humanity. Perhaps we need some outside, universal threat to make us recognize this common bond." President Reagan

America (and other global superpowers) have been funding BOTH SIDES all along- the only difference now is that it's being posed as an above-board option. Also, with the rapid economic decline, I'm not sure funding rebels and terrorists is going to continue at its past scale, either. About the magical/mystical aspect- I agree that no supernatural forces are at work, but I do think that many key figures in the "power structure" are practicing occultists/illuminists- hence New Age religion becoming so prolific in the last decade or so. I honestly don't think this "new spirituality" shift is a human response to dogma, fundamentalism and "the failings of the Church, but another manufactured control device.