Even more than the companies that gave away information to the NSA, are the companies that did the digging/spying for the NSA: "Narus" and "Verint", two Israeli intelligence companies. I've made a separate thread on it, but was quickly downvoted to oblivion by the onslaught of Democrat/Progressive shills that now lurk this sub.
It sounds as if Narus and Verint may be legitimate skunkworks defense contractors. The problem is Google, Yahoo, Internet backbone
runners, allowing agents with, apparently, weak justification for needing access to private communications see the communications.
If there was a well-protected database somewhere, and I were confident the authorities could and would go into it only because they thought they were pursuing WMD-level terrorists, with serious checks and balances: that's a little creepy, but in a normal Cold War spy novel way.
The problem is that the Snowden disclosures make it sound as if any guy with a Madonna fetish can probably secretly listen to her phone calls, or turn on her cell phone camera and watch her as long as he feels like it, without any serious possibility that a real judge is going to stop that.
Any NSA monitor who's into blackmail or identity theft seems to have unfettered ability to enjoy those hobbies.
Most companies are run by slaves like us, tossed scraps and given a modicum of power over the others, but still beholden to the state. IMHO, while they are indeed a few rungs above us, it's the state, the ones with the guns/whips/mechanisms of law, who are truly at fault.
Why did it take an NSA whistleblower to kick it all off?
Not trying to justify it, but if I was able to work out some kind of living out of the state, I can see that it would be hard to want to risk it. I mean, look at how ambivalent the people around you are toward the NSA spying. If you ran Google/whatever, would it be worth risking it all given how little people seem to care?
you got it wrong, the corporation finance, elect people to the government, the corporations runs the government now, the government is the middle-men, you got it all wrong, yes the defenition say otherwise, but this defenition is wrong. the govt doesnt run the country, corporations do.
Bullshit. The government constantly holds an axe over corp heads. Remember the Microsoft lawsuit? You got the puppet and the puppet master confused... They've been working for years to accomplish that.
When mobs start attacking heads of corporations, the politicians know its time to get out of dodge. That's how they planned it.
I think everyone should just stop to think. Theres always a way to hide. In shadow, in light, in plain view. Never say a wrong doing will always be caught. Because here in reality. They never are.
If the companies don't comply they throw their CEOs in prison or sue them in court. It is "free" for the government to sue you for records (because they take the money from the people) but it costs the companies to fight it.
There are 175,000 pages of Federal Law. You can have 20 different CPAs do your company's taxes and get 20 different answers. Every company is in violation of a large amount of unknowable felonies at any given time, and the justice department isn't big enough to prosecute everyone one so they only prosecute those that don't comply.
The sad thing is, everything I've said isn't even a conspiracy. It is out in the open, but people don't ever think to fight for corporate "rights" because they are too short sighted to see how it will effect them.
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6 R4F1 2013-07-04
Even more than the companies that gave away information to the NSA, are the companies that did the digging/spying for the NSA: "Narus" and "Verint", two Israeli intelligence companies. I've made a separate thread on it, but was quickly downvoted to oblivion by the onslaught of Democrat/Progressive shills that now lurk this sub.
1 podkayne3000 2013-07-04
It sounds as if Narus and Verint may be legitimate skunkworks defense contractors. The problem is Google, Yahoo, Internet backbone runners, allowing agents with, apparently, weak justification for needing access to private communications see the communications.
If there was a well-protected database somewhere, and I were confident the authorities could and would go into it only because they thought they were pursuing WMD-level terrorists, with serious checks and balances: that's a little creepy, but in a normal Cold War spy novel way.
The problem is that the Snowden disclosures make it sound as if any guy with a Madonna fetish can probably secretly listen to her phone calls, or turn on her cell phone camera and watch her as long as he feels like it, without any serious possibility that a real judge is going to stop that.
Any NSA monitor who's into blackmail or identity theft seems to have unfettered ability to enjoy those hobbies.
4 stockholma 2013-07-04
Because even people who are pro-business/capitalism realize there's no saying no to the U.S. gov't. Hate the slavers, not the slaves.
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2 stockholma 2013-07-04
Most companies are run by slaves like us, tossed scraps and given a modicum of power over the others, but still beholden to the state. IMHO, while they are indeed a few rungs above us, it's the state, the ones with the guns/whips/mechanisms of law, who are truly at fault.
Not trying to justify it, but if I was able to work out some kind of living out of the state, I can see that it would be hard to want to risk it. I mean, look at how ambivalent the people around you are toward the NSA spying. If you ran Google/whatever, would it be worth risking it all given how little people seem to care?
0 skywalk819 2013-07-04
you got it wrong, the corporation finance, elect people to the government, the corporations runs the government now, the government is the middle-men, you got it all wrong, yes the defenition say otherwise, but this defenition is wrong. the govt doesnt run the country, corporations do.
1 FuzzyLiftingDrink 2013-07-04
Bullshit. The government constantly holds an axe over corp heads. Remember the Microsoft lawsuit? You got the puppet and the puppet master confused... They've been working for years to accomplish that.
When mobs start attacking heads of corporations, the politicians know its time to get out of dodge. That's how they planned it.
1 HouseSlaughter 2013-07-04
I think everyone should just stop to think. Theres always a way to hide. In shadow, in light, in plain view. Never say a wrong doing will always be caught. Because here in reality. They never are.
1 Weedtastic 2013-07-04
money.
1 CrossSwords 2013-07-04
If the companies don't comply they throw their CEOs in prison or sue them in court. It is "free" for the government to sue you for records (because they take the money from the people) but it costs the companies to fight it.
Here is the guy they threw in jail: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-story-of-joseph-nacchio-and-the-nsa-2013-6
There are 175,000 pages of Federal Law. You can have 20 different CPAs do your company's taxes and get 20 different answers. Every company is in violation of a large amount of unknowable felonies at any given time, and the justice department isn't big enough to prosecute everyone one so they only prosecute those that don't comply.
The sad thing is, everything I've said isn't even a conspiracy. It is out in the open, but people don't ever think to fight for corporate "rights" because they are too short sighted to see how it will effect them.