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First and foremost I do not believe 9/11 was an inside job, but because I am exceedingly skeptical of government claims, I am open to discussing it. Because research on the topic is difficult due to misinformation from both sides, I have a few questions for this sub.

1.Was the money ever accounted for? 2.Was the pentagon's accounting office actually destroyed on 9/11? 3.Were accountants killed on 9/11? 4.Isn't the timing of Rumsfeld's disclosure somewhat eerie? 5.Was financial gain the motive of 9/11 or was it used as a means to justify war, or both?

How can 2.3 trillion go missing in a year when the DoD budget was 300 billion?

The Pentagon gets money from elsewhere (not just the budget) that we don't find out about, otherwise they wouldn't have all of these $Trillions which they admit they have. We can only guess where they get this money from (e.g. Federal Reserve), but it's clear that they do have it, as they admit in their own documents.

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But do you have a source for any of these claims?

It's what you assume by default given the warmongering nature of the US and the fact that the Fed can create money out of thin-air. It's unlikely they'll admit it, but given how many other people the Feds have done favors for, no doubt the Pentagon does very well from them.

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It's clear that they don't want us to know exactly what these transactions were associated with, most likely things which are at the least unconstitutional, at the worst illegal and against the interests of the United States.

DARPA doesn't have to say how much they've spent.

This is ridiculous splitting hairs.

Oh, that wasn't a WAR in Libya, it was a "kinetic military action"

Those aren't dead children from drone strikes, they're "collateral damage".

The 2.3 trillion wasn't missing the just couldn't "track" it.

Did they ever track it down? NO, so guess what, it's missing.

Semantic arguments are AIDS.

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300 billion that are ON THE BOOKS, you aren't accounting for all the black projects and other giant piles of money they are swimming around in.

I'm not saying you are 100% wrong, but you aren't 100% right either and the argument is largely semantics. They don't know what they did with the money, that's the bottom line; and one day later a cruise missile blew up the side of the Pentagon that stored the data pertaining to the money they couldn't "track".

How can 2.3 trillion go missing in a year when the DoD budget was 300 billion?

There is no way for us to know what the total DoD budget is or ever was. The budgets of the intelligence agencies are classified. It could be $20 trillion and we'd never know it. And considering it's classified it would never show up in the total US government budget either.

Ah, but you say the government investigated/audited itself and found no wrongdoing? No missing money? Just poor accounting? Imagine that.

Here's something I came up with after our earlier discussion.

The Bottom of the Rabbit Hole. Reading all of this might get you on the kill list.

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1k7mhj/the_bottom_of_the_rabbit_hole_reading_all_of_this/

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Well. All those reasons are why she'd be able to speak. The way society is now and how vein it has become it's like a joke to them because people base off her looks instead of the evidence. What do you have to say about the evidence?

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Are you talking about the same Media that works directly with the government?

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Dr. Judy Woods doesn't call it controlled demolition she calls it directed energy weapons. What is your take on the evidence she presents?

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The evidence is the evidence and if you can't go off that you're really not interested in the truth.

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It's been almost 12 years since the 9/11 attacks.

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From when I heard about her and make it to here about 6 months maybe more. There was an interview and don't laugh but I heard it on coast to coast. It's was Hoagland and b wells and hoaglands always full of shot but this time he laid something out that changed b well's tone and that when I say her stuff. Went through it all and thought it might work. Then I saw everyone crying about the planes pancaking theory of the building collapse so I went through that and it only confirmed things for me that she was right. The buildings stopping and starting the pancaking effect is the smoking gun. They had to stop the weapon from disintegrating the entire building and leaving no evidence. Plus the start and stopping shows evidence of anti gravity characteristics which she spoke about too.

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Yes the planes were aloud to hit the buildings to cover the tech used. Let me whip you up some links will quick.

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Did you read the Donald Rumsfeld transcript from September 10, 2001? It's clear as day who did it. The accountants of the DoD who hid 2.3 trillion dollars.

We get used to it. Anything, and I mean anything, that is not the prevailing opinion on here is downvoted to hell. They don't want reasonable discussion, they want an echo chamber.

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I think there's a lot of people here that don't necessarily know how to do research beyond watching youtube videos and reading blogs and just following the links from there. I'm including myself here, because honestly, I wouldn't know where to find half of the information and it's not something I care to dedicate a lot of my time to. I enjoy reading and watching a bit about the subject, but I have other things I need to devote more time to.

Those blogs and videos just tend to tell variations of the same story, and that's the majority of the information that gets passed around.

If you want to have these better discussions, I'd appreciate hearing more of what you know, beyond the typical 9/11 parroting.

Why get anal about it and post it here? The influx of idiots has jumped in the past 2-3 weeks don't beat yourself up over it.

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The way you reacted with a new post is like a burger for those 12 yearolds. I feels you though, some of my posts get downvoted for no reason

I think the way some converse here can be stupid too, not just the people who try to be funny, but also those people who try to throw 3-4 paragraphs of bullshit at you can be pretty annoying. I swear its like some people are like "Hey I agree with you....(Copy+paste: bigass paragraph about joos and the system here)"

I got a virtual raping for bringing up 9/11 last night.

how can anyone defend the bush admin? seriously you guys look like paid government officials. sickening

DARPA black project budget doesn't that doesn't have to be disclosed and why would it? Its secret. Why would the admit anything? Because its secret.

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http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/02/pentagons-black-budget/

The first two paragraphs say it all.

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My point is the DoD hides money under classified and to get to 2.3 trillion isn't hard to reach at let's say 300 billion a year.

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Well 1999 was a good year for them. Maybe they made a run because of the y2k scare.

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Lets go back and explain it like I'm five please? I'm pretty baked right now. Also how do we get on the gravy train.

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How how do they get the cash in? How do we get some cash out? So the 2.3 trillion got paid out and our accounts can't find it?

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Ok. So I just read the speech again and this guy gave us a warning about that the pentagon bureaucracy is the biggest treat in the world. The dod is cuts checks to itself and is in the red a fuck load. We're gonna need new weapons to fight them. All coming from the secretary of defense the day before the 9/11 attacks. Am I following that correctly?

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Well if people are standing to lose billions and have the access to the most advanced weapons the world has ever seen and are gonna use it to keep everyone in line. How could it not be an inside cover up?

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Well the way I see it after reading the speech again he said the pentagon cuts its own checks even though they had a budget of 300 billion the could easily go way above it because the policy allows them to do so and still does apparently.

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Why is DOD one of the last organizations around that still cuts its own checks? When an entire industry exists to run warehouses efficiently, why do we own and operate so many of our own? At bases around the world, why do we pick up our own garbage and mop our own floors, rather than contracting services out, as many businesses do? And surely we can outsource more computer systems support.

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You sourced it. It's in the speech you linked. Like paragraph 33.

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I'm reading the speech for the 6th time because I'm in so much disbelief. It's exactly how I'm interpreting it. Thanks for showing me the link. I never read it and makes my theories on why 9/11 happened and how it was done even more possible.

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Don't get mad. I don't think you comprehended the speech in its entirety. You didn't even remember a whole paragraph. I'm glad we are helping each other seriously.

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It's all good man. I'm just saying that the speech is way more fucked up then I thought it was going into it. I already had the dial on max of how fucked up i thought it was.

Your post reminds me of this post.

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Meter?

300 billion that are ON THE BOOKS, you aren't accounting for all the black projects and other giant piles of money they are swimming around in.

I'm not saying you are 100% wrong, but you aren't 100% right either and the argument is largely semantics. They don't know what they did with the money, that's the bottom line; and one day later a cruise missile blew up the side of the Pentagon that stored the data pertaining to the money they couldn't "track".