Egypt in a Nutshell
293 2013-08-18 by xmido
I am an Egyptian and here is my take on what is going on in Egypt.
Western Media:
This is the biggest joke I have ever seen in my entire life, its like all the news sources / channel gets their news from the same source. The amount of bias and alteration of truth is laughable. The coverage of Egypt is a joke. Its all about the flow of money. You don't bite the hand that feeds you. (paying your salary)
American Government:
The American government paid billions of dollars to the Muslim brotherhood to have them under their control (an american puppet like Mubarak before) The American government want the best interest of Israel and doesn't care about Egypt or Egyptian people at all. That is why they are upset that the people removed the Muslim brotherhood and call it a military coup to make it sound negative or wrong.
Egyptian Military:
is not interested in power at all. They saw the country getting lost and saved it before it is too late. That is after millions of people went to streets. The Egyptian military didn't take action on its own.
Muslim Brotherhood:
A crime syndicate. Yes they are the equivalent of organized crime, they have nothing to do with Islam or politics. They are the equivalent of New World Order, but in middle-east scale. They have big plans to change the middle east and the world. They use the image of Islam to have favor and control over the simple people, the poor and the weak. They use the image of Islam, so any attacks on them, is an attack in Islam. They deliberately want to create chaos and civil war to get the american and international support so they can remain in power. They sought power for many years. Mubarak was keeping them under control. And for good reason. We can see it now. They are only interested in power and control. Not Islam, not Egypt, not politics. To be honest they ruin the image of Islam and Muslims everywhere. Who shoots in a mosque? who kills police and military? Islam has nothing to do with those people. They are a crime syndicated as I said before who has the word "Muslim" in their name.
Egyptian People:
They saw their country lost. Country divided, economy in ruin, muslim brotherhood buying and taking everything in Egypt for their own gain. They went down to the streets in millions to save the country which was going downhill.
Qatar:
Qatar had business with the Muslim Brotherhood. Billions of dollars. They are upset about their money. They are in bed with U.S. government and Israel. Aljazeera is their channel. They where trying to buy parts of Egypt.
Aljazeera:
Aljazeera is as biased as western media, their coverage of Egypt is a big joke. They don't care about the truth. They show the Muslim brotherhood in a positive light, they deliberately change the truth and make the military and the police look and sound evil. Some of their top news editors quit for their journalistic integrity. Their Egypt branch has been shutdown because of them spreading lies. Completely opposite of all channels. To push Qatar, U.S and Israel agenda.
Gulf Countries:
Are aware of the Muslim Brotherhood plans not only in Egypt but in Gulf Countries as well. One of the few countries that truly support Egypt. (except Qatar)
Turkey:
Erdogan is in relationship with the Muslim Brotherhood and fear for the eradication of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. (also other countries with heavy influence of Muslim Brotherhood and other islamic/politics organizations)
Germany:
Sadly an American puppet also. Repeats what America says. Almost like a parrot.
Mursi:
A puppet of the Muslim Brotherhood which is a puppet of the U.S government. Failed as a president of Egypt. His only goal was to further the Muslim Brotherhood goods. Egypt economy was in free fall and he failed to better the country or stabilize it. I don't really know how he was elected president in the first place. He failed to do his job to fix the country and was pushed aside by the military on request of the people.
Obama:
has been funding Islamic groups both in Syria and Egypt. Threatens to remove U.S. aid to Egypt (sadly how U.S. control the world). By loaning money and threatening to cut it. You either with us or against us. Same thing happened with Venezuela. Because Venezuela was independent financially (not trading oil with the rest of the world because they where self sufficient), U.S. was not happy with that. Same thing happened with Libya. Obama stuck in a crossroad. Does't know whether to cut or not cut the Egyptian military aid because he want Egypt with good favor with him. To maintain safety of Israel and peace treaty. Obama under heavy criticism over this and NSA spying.
Military Coup? Yes or No?:
Yes if you listen to western media and Aljazeera. American government want it to be coup and all of the western countries and Qatar.
No if you care about the truth. If you ask any Egyptian in the street, muslim or christian who is not of the Muslim Brotherhood.
Democracy in the middle east?:
To be honest, the problem with democracy in middle east is that it wont work properly. 40% of Egypt is illiterate/ uneducated. About 50% is poor or under the poverty line. Having democracy in a country like this wont work. Democracy should be based on a country where most people are educated. I know this sound extreme. But the only reason muslim brotherhood reached power is that people tried to avoid military rule, so they voted for muslim brotherhood. Also the poor and illiterate voted for the Muslim Brotherhood. They won by 0.5%. (If you have an island of 10% scientist and 90% clowns. Democracy would be a cruel joke.)
Just follow the money trail to see who benefit and who lose from the chaos in Egypt.
60 comments
47 bookwyrm88 2013-08-18
Thank you for your perspective, this paints a vastly different picture than what the average joe american is being told. My heart goes out to you and all the others caught in this shit storm. All I can say is make noise. Contact alternative news sources, take to social media just make noise and let the world know!
1 wrath_of_grunge 2013-08-18
if you replace 'unarmed protesters' with 'Muslim Brotherhood supporters' you won't have that trouble.
2 raz009 2013-08-18
Muslim Brotherhood is basically a crime syndicate benefiting from the chaos. The way I have seen videos depicting a member of the Muslim Brotherhood being shot in the street and then reading this, it appears the western media is trying to pull on our heart strings to think the military is bad.
-1 wrath_of_grunge 2013-08-18
bingo.
18 Orangutan 2013-08-18
Thank You. I needed this.
15 YelirLLieno 2013-08-18
But the US government didn't call it a coup. They did everything but call it a coup.
6 IndependentSession 2013-08-18
Yeah I feel like OP described the MSM message while implying that wasn't their message...
3 therealkittenparade 2013-08-18
Exactly. I've listened to mostly NPR on this and I've heard them on many occasions explicitly state that it's not quite a coup.
1 D0wn_FaLL 2013-08-18
That's because they don't even know what a coup is.
12 [deleted] 2013-08-18
Actually the American government has deliberately stayed clear of labelling/treating what went down in Egypt as a coup in order to keep the flow of military and economic aid going. The Muslim Brotherhood probably isn't favored by them any more than Mubarak was, they just happened to be on top for awhile. Regardless, I can just about guarantee that whoever comes out of this current mess with political control will be just as willing to get cozy with the Americans as his predecessors.
11 d8_thc 2013-08-18
Thanks for doing your part and getting info out there!
11 [deleted] 2013-08-18
French/european, The way i got western medias :
The first sentence is half true. The US are primarily concerned about Israel (edit : and keeping the suez channel open too). Doesn't mean they need to screw you over anyway (the only thing they really don't want is a war between israel and Egypt or channel closed, everything else is bargainable). They'll just try to bargain and deal with whoever is in power. They have also been very careful not to call it a coup when morsi was pushed off; and most people abroad aren't sure what to believe, so we just watch from afar.
On the other hand a lot of people where saddened to see the military answer so heavy handedly by fireing back on the brotherhood (yes i know the brotherhood armed civilians with AK and told them to fire first, but higher power means higher responsabilities blablabla cops and military being held to a higher standard etc, the should have arrested them not fire back without looking and causing that much dead :/).
Oh and btw Western media are showing both side on a grey-and-grey light. Military being heavy handed but not evil; brotherhood being power hungry and ready to sacrifice people for their rush for power but democratically elected and at least partially supported by a large swath of the country :/
French here, i believe the european pov i got is mostly the one i just quoted. We're mainly pissed the military fired with live ammo because it makes us look bad by showing support to the military then having then turning hardass, nothing else.
Here's the kicker, the last part of your sentance : there's a lot of egyptians supporting the brotherhood out of town. Last i heard it was like 30% of the country. It wouldn't be very clever on our side to just spit on a very large number of egyptians either. That and the crack down with live ammo is the main reason why the west is so unconclusive over that story.
If nothing else, our own past taught us to be careful about people deciding our own life for our own good beyond our close friends and family :( Because people abused it time and time again in our own history. Even if the current military leaders aren't bad guys, who'se to say what happen when they get to old to really lead and you end up with another corrupt state like mubarak's in the end ?
So why should we take a direct side here instead of watching the sense wind will blow before doing anything too rash ? We did act in Syria and end up with a civil war destroying half the country when they weren't muslim extremists at start. Lots of deads and a destroyed country is bad business for everyone.
Edit : BTW I think you're angry at occident for what's going on in your country and see us as responsable. Maybe, because we backed the first military coup then the elections. But then we're not your ennemy, and won't try to be. Sometime we're not sure what to believe either. Just because we do not hand you immediate ressources when asked does not mean we're just (muhahah) ploting the "fall of egypt" or something. No matter what we do or don't do somebody will blame us. :/
Edit 2 : Said post summarize quite nicely part of the issue : www.reddit.com/r/Egypt/comments/1kk1dy/here_are_the_top_10_american_corporations/cbpz8eo . For the lazy, that quote summarize it even further (think of it as a tl;dr) :
1 [deleted] 2013-08-18
The American Government IS ISRAEL!
0 [deleted] 2013-08-18
Also drugs and alcohol public intoxication are bad :P
-6 colaturka 2013-08-18
420 blaze it faggot
6 liquefied 2013-08-18
Why would Israel be happier with an Islamist government in Egypt and in Syria? It makes no sense to me.
3 [deleted] 2013-08-18
I guess they'd be happy with a stable gov they can deal with.
3 Thesithxv 2013-08-18
Because as OP said they're only puppets who cover their real agenda's under the cloak of islam.
1 Fir3start3r 2013-08-18
I don't understand this either...hopefully we'll get some clarification on this...
6 godiebiel 2013-08-18
Could I add that Israel is pro-coup, Saudi-Israeli realtions have never been this strong
Israel Keeps a Wary Eye on Turmoil in Egypt - nytimes.com
The Arab Springs were hijacked by Saudi-American agenda to continue the expansion of the War on Terror and overthrow Iran through political isolation (Libya and Sirya).
Apparently Saudi Arabia and Israel became warry when Mubarak was replaced by the Muslim Brotherhood. Even while Saudi may have enjoyed greater reach through the expansion of the salafists governments in Libya and Tunisia, ultimately the Arab Springs were becoming too unstable.
Qatar's Emir just resigned, a sign that his support of the Muslim Brotherhood obviously back-fired.
5 Antiochus88 2013-08-18
Great to see a Egyptian perspective here, God bless you.
5 liquefied 2013-08-18
If you were running the world's larges crime syndicate it would make more sense to support MB. good point.
4 ufku 2013-08-18
Why does Turkish PM Erdogan support Morsi and the Ikhwan al-Muslimin (Muslim Brotherhood) so strongly? What is your opinion about that?
14 xmido 2013-08-18
He has business relationship with The Muslim Brotherhood. Money. It had influence in the Turkish government. He removed people from the military. The Turkish people noticed how his Islamic influences started to affect Turkey which is a liberal state. (Egypt also was always a liberal state) Look at the countries mad at Egypt now. They are mad for a reason. If the Muslim Brotherhood fail in Egypt. They will never succeed in any other country. (also other political Islam organizations will fail)
4 anonpurpose 2013-08-18
sounds like the muslim brotherhood are the zionists of egypt.
3 [deleted] 2013-08-18
I don't see how that analogy is useful or meaningful.
4 NeoPlatonist 2013-08-18
Yes. Pretty awesome how America coerces other nations into economic entanglements, then simply has its banks turn on the printing press. Each dollar printed steals minutes of someone's life.
4 TondaleoBreckinridge 2013-08-18
Awesome read. Thanks. About what I thought was going on.
3 lalalagirl90 2013-08-18
I really hope you are a troll, I don't want to believe any Egyptian with access to the internet can be so ignorant. I lost it when you said this:
The truth is Mubarak was a general! He was the military. That's how he took power. The military was in power for the last couple decades with Mubarak as their figurehead. The military is the most powerful economic force in Egypt (owning lots of factories and services.)
Nobody is more deeply invested in controlling Egypt's future than the military. They are greatly interested in power, particularly to maintain the status quo.
The American government doesn't care about the Egyptian people? The entire reason they supported the Muslim Brotherhood is because the Western World wanted Egyptians to have democracy. It was a stupid and short sighted plan to think the Egyptian people were ready for it, and it was even stupider to trust the Muslim Brotherhood's promises, but it's not our fault 75% of you Egyptians voted for Islamist political parties in the first free elections you had! You're like those people that shoot themselves in the foot and claim they were mugged to prevent further embarrassment.
3 DjKnivez 2013-08-18
many of us on this sub-reddit already know the machinations of the propaganda wing known as the main stream media. To be Honest the only time i watch cnn or msnbc is when i see them get thoroughly whipped by likes of ron paul, russel brand etc etc. Still I appreciate the angle that you bring. Hopefully it convinces some of the other people who are sitting on the fence peaking at this sub reddit, because deep down inside they know what they are hearing is so skewed that they need to seek out more info
3 ClosetedClaustrophob 2013-08-18
It was remarkable how Morsi's election was hailed by western media as evidence of Islamists usurping the democratic process, and how the Egyptians elected "terrorists". Basically a "sky is falling" attitude. Then, on his ouster, they bemoaned the failure of democracy in Egypt. Perhaps they should try to stick with a single narrative.
2 kit58 2013-08-18
I just wanted to add that Obama is not interested in cutting the financial support to the Egyptian military because all the money goes back to the States. So if he will cut this billion it will mean loss of revenue, loss of taxes, loss of jobs etc.
2 Fir3start3r 2013-08-18
Interesting. Pardon my ignorance, but can you explain the US <--> Muslim Brotherhood link? My understanding is that they were mortal enemies...
0 [deleted] 2013-08-18
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3 Fir3start3r 2013-08-18
Citation? The US has never had any love for the Muslim Brotherhood for decades. Why should it be different here?
2 Viva_la_Cascadia 2013-08-18
You're Egyptian? Have you forgotten that "your" country was ruled by the military since the coup in 1952? And they're perfectly comfortable suddenly giving it up?
And pray tell, after several decades of giving aid to the Egyptian military, making them the wealthiest and most powerful group in the country, the US government has suddenly decided to back the other horse? (don't be fooled by US aid to Egypt, it's all just discounts on American weapons and ammo)
"the only reason muslim brotherhood reached power is that people tried to avoid military rule." Well done! You've successfully contradicted your earlier statement that the military "don't want power at all." Bonus points for the condescending tone describing anyone who doesn't like military rule as uneducated.
I'm not saying Islamic politics has all the answers (I'm rather opposed to any religion or overarching ideology in politics), but I will say that it's been the most effective avenue in the Middle East for critics of western-controlled/allied countries like Iran, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, etc. The roots of the conflict and current chaos are the same as the rest of the Arab Spring; The Arab world has been treated like neo-colonial possessions, a situation maintained by corrupt leaders who were propped up by the western democracies.
"That is why their upset that the people removed the Muslim brotherhood and call it a military coup to make it sound negative or wrong." - wow, firstly, it's they're, not their. Secondly, "the people" is a very ubiquitous term, such a broad term in fact that one might get confused when you use it because I was under the impression the military removed the muslim brotherhood. Thridly, the US government went through great pains to avoid calling it a coup so they could continue sending aid to their allies; the Egyptian military.
Never thought I'd say this but I really hope you're a troll.
2 count907 2013-08-18
Also.. Sisi = New Nasser. Nasserism reborn!
2 principle 2013-08-18
I will make it simple. The goal in Egypt is the same as in Iraq, Libya, and Syria - destruction of infrastructure and reallocation of wealth. In Egypt that could not have been accomplished in one step as was done in Iraq and Libya, and currently going on in Syria. So step one was to give power to a religious extremist group that would demolish the economy. Step two, help to depose this religious group. Step three, help to arm the religious extremists and encourage them to fight back for their "legitimate rights". In the end, Arab Spring for all...
1 who_i 2013-08-18
It's like there is a canonical truth in life. I think they call it "fact".
1 TheWiredWorld 2013-08-18
Got a question for you OP. You seemed kind of apologetic of the Egyptian military - how do you explain both the military killing unarmed protesters with their hands up, and the fact that the military benefits from billions of U.S. tax money?
1 driveling 2013-08-18
The sad part in all of this is all the Americans who based upon a few articles they have read from some biased media sources are convinced that they know exactly what is happening in Egypt and know what type of solution they want to have imposed on Egyptians.
1 colaturka 2013-08-18
The egypt military is linked with the US.
1 AssuredlyAThrowAway 2013-08-18
Is there any media to be trusted on the situation in Egypt and elsewhere in the region?
Also, thanks for sharing your perspective OP.
1 brxn 2013-08-18
Democracy might not work.. Why not a republic?
1 raz009 2013-08-18
Wow, thank you for schooling me so succinctly. I often times grow tired reading about and give up hope for the Middle East, so thank you for summarizing. I especially enjoyed your take on Western government involvements and the media biases.
0 backphlip 2013-08-18
On the German side: that is huge bullshit. The proper German news provide a very very good sight of the situation in general. We do know about the brotherhood and know that the military doesn't want any power whatsoever.
Before making wrong accusations, do your homework OP.
1 [deleted] 2013-08-18
US owns Germany after ww2, there is no doubt about that.
0 backphlip 2013-08-18
I doubt that. You must mistake us with England.
0 [deleted] 2013-08-18
All the loans that were played out by Rotschild banks to post ww2 germany attached the germany with usa forever.
1 backphlip 2013-08-18
No man, that debt is long gone but since this is /r/conspiracy... Believe what you like. Your knowledge about Germany is more than 30 years old.
0 [deleted] 2013-08-18
Im going to believe this when u.s. will return Germanys gold.
-1 [deleted] 2013-08-18
So not the USA, let me explain why I think so.
People here are educated, but ignorant. Some believe they know what is going on, because Fox News told them. Others don't even watch TV and have zero idea about what goes on in the rest of the world.
Democracy is a good idea on a small scale, in small countries. But in large countries, the needs of the people in Detroit are far different than the needs of people in Washington.
And big issues like 'gay marriage', 'seperation of religion and state', 'Legalization of Weed', etc should not be voted on by the general public, but by people who have studied the issues and submitted their findings to lawmakers. If the reseachers ever find new material, then the laws need to be updated to reflect the studies. All studies need to be made public. All laws need to be posted in an easily accessible way.
If anyone disagrees with the result, it could be submitted for review, after they have read all the studies on a topic.
Democracy as it is, is not a good system anywhere.
EDIT: Do not vote this to the top, as it has nothing to do with egypt. @OP, thanks for the post.
-2 Digitalcartel713 2013-08-18
What is happening must be done because Revelations 11 says so and it has started.
2 Fir3start3r 2013-08-18
wut.
-1 Digitalcartel713 2013-08-18
Yes
0 redditeditard 2013-08-18
Revelation 11 is about two prophets in sack cloth?
1 Digitalcartel713 2013-08-18
That's an easy one. What is sack cloth? There is all types of clothing styles now.
-4 hockeywino 2013-08-18
you're a moron with a heavily biased opinion masquerading as an expert. Some of what you write may be true, but your a moron taking guesses and feeding into conspiracy theories.
4 Lord_NShYH 2013-08-18
Nice ad hominem, bro. Will you please qualify your statements to add to the discussion?