Flaws in the 9/11 Commission Report

• Much of the 9/11 report was based on people who were tortured

• A central figure of the 9/11 report was literally crazy, having sustained a head injury years prior to 9/11

• Henry Kissinger was originally designated to head the Commission.

• Kissenger stepped down after questions about potential clients from Saudi Arabia and any potential connections to bin Laden himself

• It was revealed in 2006 that Kissinger was advising the Bush administration on the Iraq War the whole time

• "Five of the alleged hijackers have emerged, alive, innocent and astonished to see their names and photographs appearing on satellite television. ... The hijackers were using stolen identities, and investigators are studying the possibility that the entire suicide squad consisted of impostors."- London Times, 2001

• But the 9/11 Commission Report continues to use the identities of the people found to be alive! - see here chapter 7 of the commission, vs article linked above

• Bush waited 441 days before starting the 9/11 commission

• 9/11 commission was $15 mil, Lewinsky scandal was given 60 mil

• Families had to lobby hard to even get a commission.

• The commission repeatedly ignored insider experts such as FBI agent Gilbert Graham and NSA analyst Mark Burton.

• Former Commissioner Max Cleland, who resigned, has called th Bush Administrations stonewalling of the commision a 'national scandal'.

• When Bush and Cheney talked to the commission, they were not under oath and no recording was made

• A vast majority of the commissions investigative records remain sealed

• Over 50 FBI, CIA and other agency veterans have signed off on an open letter regarding the 9/11 commission, criticizing it for massive omissions of information and condemns 'secrecy enforced by oppression'. It is a pretty good read.

• The 9/11 commission refused to follow the money trail, saying "Ultimately the question is of little practical significance"

Geopolitics

• Powerful and influential people claiming the need for a new Pearl Harbor in the year before 9/11

• Much of the Bush Administration came from the Project for the New American Century that made this claim.

• Zbigniew Brzezinski claimed in his book The Grand Chessboard that central asia was the key to maintaining world power

• "If one looks at the map of the big American bases created for the war, one is struck by the fact that they are completely identical to the route of the projected oil pipeline to the Indian Ocean."- Chicago Tribune discussing oil politics and the Afghanistan war, 2002

• Opium production had almost stopped under Taliban, Afghanistan now accounts for 92% of worlds opium supply. Iran/Contra/Cocaine anyone?

• War with Iraq was a top priority of the Bush administration long before 9/11

• Rumsfeld began the Iraq War planning on 9/11

• The evidence of a decade plus old plan to massively expand hegemony in the middle east, supported by a variety of established power structures and people, is massive and mindblowing

• The Department of Defense expressed the need for 'Full Spectrum of Dominance' as the blueprint to follow with a goal of achieving it by 2020, a distinct and radical break from the previous policies of containment. There is an emphasis on 'Information Superiority

• Neoconservatives began pushing hard for the invasion of Iraq as early as January 22, 2000

Whistleblowers

• Whistleblower Michael Springman ordered to give visas to the eventual terrorists

• Whistleblower Indira Singh claiming that the company PTECH had access to all FAA databases for 2 hours on the morning of 9/11

• FBI whistleblower Randy Glass claiming that he was given advanced warning of the attacks

• FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds claims that 9/11 is part of Operation Gladio

• An OVERWHELMING amount, multiple hundreds, of eyewitness reports who heard explosives or other information that contradicts the official story

• Over 250 pilots and aviators question the 9/11 report

• Over 50 senior members of government, military and intelligence have questioned the 9/11 report

• Add 100 professors to that list as well

• FBI officer sent a memo to superior in which he stated "that he has observed large numbers of Middle Eastern males receiving flight training at Oklahoma airports in recent months", no action was taken

• Former FBI John Cole has stated that the CIA worked closely with the Muhajideen in Central Asia leading up to 9/11

• FAA Veteran Bogdan Dzokavic has claimed the FAA repeatedly deceived the public regarding events on 9/11

• Behrooz Sarshar, FBI language specialist has claimed to have been warned about al qaeda suicide attacks in April, 2001

• Former CIA division manager Melvin Goodman has blown the whistle on the heavy internal pressure to conform to the official story, such as threats of ending careers.

• Kevin Ryan, at Underwriters Labs, an independant non-profit safety consulting org, has claimed that the NIST theory of collapse was impossible. He was fired.

• FBI Agent Harry Samit warned his superiors 70 times! that Zacarias Moussaoui was learning to fly 747s and believed in martyrdom. He believes his investigation was deliberately hampered.

Dont forget bill coopers prediction and then subsequent death.

CIA whistleblower Susan Lindauer warned of 9/11 attacks and the falsehoods of the Iraq war; was subsequently imprisoned

thanks added both to the wiki

Whistleblower Deborah Palfrey publicly stated she had witnessed several members of the federal government working with the alleged terrorists and plotting 9/11. She allegedly commit suicide after repeatedly saying she would not commit suicide

The Hijackers

• Did you know that Mohammed Atta liked pork, booze, cocaine and strippers? The official story says he was a fundamentalist Muslim.

• The hijacker of flight 77 could barely fly a cesna yet somehow pulled off one of the most complicated maneuvers in boeing 757 history

• 15 of the 19 hijackers failed to fill out visas properly in Saudi Arabia and should have been denied entry

• Some hijackers trained at secure military facilities

• 15 of 19 hijackers were Saudi Arabian. The House of Saud and the Bush Family are deeply intimate business partners

• "Staff members characterized Mr. Hanjour as polite, meek and very quiet. But most of all, the former employee said, they considered him a very bad pilot. I'm still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon," the former employee said. "He could not fly at all."- NYT

Operation Able Danger

• Operation Able Danger identified Atta and 3 other hijackers in the year 2000

• "The Able Danger intelligence, if confirmed, is undoubtedly the most relevant fact of the entire post-9/11 inquiry. Yet the 9/11 Commission inexplicably concluded that it "was not historically significant." This astounding conclusion--in combination with the failure to investigate Able Danger and incorporate it into its findings--raises serious challenges to the commission's credibility and, if the facts prove out, might just render the commission historically insignificant itself." -- Former FBI Director Louis Freeh in the Wall Street Journal, 11/17/05

• Able Danger Key Facts: The Pentagon "ordered five key witnesses not to testify", according to Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter

• According to statements by Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer and those of four others, Able Danger had identified 2 of 3 Al Qaeda cells active in the 9/11 attacks... including September 11 attacks leader Mohamed Atta [wiki]

• Speaking on behalf of Lt. Col. Shaffer, attorney Mark Zaid testified "The copies that would have been in the possession of the U.S. Army were apparently destroyed by March 2001. The copies within Lt Col Shaffer's files were destroyed by the DIA in approximately Spring 2004." [wiki]

Important Quotes

• Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney in 2005 at a Congressional Hearing: "Mr. Secretary: according to the Comptroller General of the United States, there are serious financial management problems at the Pentagon, to which Mr. Cooper alluded. Fiscal Year 1999: $2.3 trillion missing. Fiscal Year 2000, $1.1 trillion missing. And DoD is the number one reason why the government can't balance its checkbook."

• Airforce General Richard Meyers "The goal has never been to get bin Laden."- Interview with CNN

• "I truly am not that concerned about him."- George Bush in regards to bin Laden, 2002

• "We have not uncovered a single piece of paper that mentioned any aspect of the 9/11 plot. The hijackers had no computers, no laptops, no storage media of any kind."- FBI Director Robert Mueller, LA Times 2002

• "It is an obscene comparison - you know I am not sure I like it - but you know there was a time in South Africa that people would put flaming tyres around people's necks if they dissented. And in some ways the fear is that you will be necklaced here, you will have a flaming tyre of lack of patriotism put around your neck," he said. "Now it is that fear that keeps journalists from asking the toughest of the tough questions."- Dan Rather on the pressure for journalists to conform to the official story on 9/11, The Guardian 2002

• "I have deep concerns that a delicate and subtle shading/skewing of facts by you and others at the highest levels of FBI management has occurred and is occurring."- FBI agent Coleen Rowley in a memo to the Director. The memo linked goes in to lots of details

• "Though he has no vote, (Zelikow) arguably has more sway than any member, including the chairman. Zelikow picks the areas of investigation, the briefing materials, the topics for hearings, the witnesses, and the lines of questioning for witnesses... In effect, he sets the agenda and runs the investigation." - Paul Sperry discussing the 9/11 commision chairman

• “As each day goes by, we learn that this government knew a whole lot more about these terrorists before Sept. 11 than it has ever admitted."- Max Cleland

• "The two questions that the congress will not ask, because republicans wont allow it, is why did 9/11 happen on George Bush's watch when he had clear warnings that it was going to happen? Why did they allow it to happen? And secondly, when they had Osama Bin Laden cornered why didn't they get him? Had there been an independent congress, one that could ask questions these questions would have been asked years ago." - Senator Patrick Leahy

• “You knew they were in the United States. You were warned by the CIA. You knew in July they were inside the United States. You were told again by briefing officers in August that it was a dire threat. And what did you do? Nothing, so far as we could see on the 9/11 Commission." - 9/11 report commissioner Bob Kerrey

• "I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children, and other humans as an appreciable act ... Whoever committed the act of 11 September are not the friends of the American people. I have already said that we are against the American system, not against its people, whereas in these attacks, the common American people have been killed..."- Osama Bin Laden, September 28, 2001 (/u/dosdog)

• “[W]e oftentimes find ourselves operating in some very difficult places. The good Lord didn’t see fit to put oil and gas only where there are democratically elected regimes friendly to the United States. Occasionally we have to operate in places where, all things considered, one would not normally choose to go. But, we go where the business is.” During this speech he also emphasizes the importance of the Caspian Basin. “I can’t think of a time when we’ve had a region emerge as suddenly to become as strategically significant as the Caspian. It’s almost as if the opportunities have arisen overnight,” -Dick Cheney, speaking at Cato Institute conference in 1998, as head of Haliburton

• “I am troubled by what appears to me to be a persistent effort by the FBI to conceal from the American people information concerning possible Saudi support of the Sept. 11 attacks,” Florida’s former governor Bob Graham

• "I saw put-call numbers higher than I've ever seen in 10 years of following the markets, particularly the options markets," John Kinnucan, a principal of Broadband Research, a telecommunications research firm, told the San Francisco Chronicle. "When one sees this type of activity, the first thing one does is ask oneself, 'What is the explanation? What are people worried about?'" (/u/minimesa)

• "This could very well be insider trading at the worst, most horrific, most evil use you've ever seen in your entire life... This would be one of the most extraordinary coincidences in the history of mankind if it was a coincidence."- Bloomberg's Dylan Ratigan speaking on Good Morning America (/u/minimesa)

MISC

• NASA had the capability to remotely controll airplanes, specifically Boeing 757s and 767s.

• "William Rodriguez worked on the basement level of the north tower and was in the building when the first plane struck his building. We heard a loud rumble, then all of a sudden we heard another rumble like someone moving a whole lot of furniture," Rodriguez said. "And then the elevator opened and a man came into our office and all of his skin was off." - CNN

• The war will result in over 4 trillion in profits for industries involved

Quotes regarding insider trading:

Analyst John Kinnucan, quoted by the San Francisco Chronicle, said "I saw put-call numbers higher than I've ever seen in 10 years of following the markets, particularly the options market."

Regarding the spike of unusual stock activity, Dylan Ratigan of Bloomberg says on Sept 20, "This could very well be insider trading at the worst, most horrific, most evil use you've ever seen in your entire life... This would be one of the most extraordinary coincidences in the history of mankind if it was a coincidence."

Germany's Bundesbank chief, Ernst Weltke tells Agence France Presse on Sept 22 that "bizarre" fiscal transactions prior to the attacks could not have been chalked up to coincidence. The stock activity "could not have been planned and carried out without a certain knowledge, particularly heavy trading in oil and gold futures."

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I read the entirety of the Pentagon press release less than an hour ago, the official story is that the accounts are scattered across a bunch of different computers that haven't communicated with each other, I'm under the impression that it was likely funneled to black projects what do you think, does the 1999 auditors report give a different understandng? I will have time to read it myself soon.

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So, 2.3 trillion in account entries / transactions do not equal 2.3 trillion in expenditure ("cash out") the way I understand it. It's a lot of stuff getting moved around that has value and needs to be kept track of.

Ok I understand a lot better. I'll update the bulletpoint soon Edit: I thought that this discussion was referring to the mention of 2.3 trillion in another comment where I state:

The Pentagon chose September 10th as the date to announce that 2.3 trillion was unaccounted for

Do you think that this quote should be removed, and do you think that the above statement accurately reflects the situation?

It's just that the way this has become part of the 9/11 activist canon - it's being framed in a way which invites a quick and effective rebuttal.

good insights

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Thanks for the input, I'm always happy to admit when I'm wrong and this is one of those cases.

Has this been best of'd yet? It blows the shaky explanation given yesterday well out of the water and possibly into space.

Great, don't bring astronauts and aliens into this.

But, but.... It's on the history channel...

Yeah check the /new/ queue its downvoted into oblivion

Regardless, this is a treasure trove of undeniable information. The only way someone couldn't at least see why people have this point of view, is that they wouldn't want to.

1. Keller dumped him after he embarrassed her at a night club by dancing, poorly, atop a speaker ("doing that old 'Roxbury head bob' thing, you know"?)

2. Atta revenged himself later on Keller by returning to the apartment they’d shared and killing her cat and kittens, disemboweling and dismembering them in her apartment for her to find.

WTF

Some thoughts

Leaving all consideration to physical evidence behind, ignoring the ideas that the towers were brought down by bombs or thermite, the faults with official collapse explanations etc, the facts are undeniable: The Bush administration, FBI, CIA and more actively allowed the attacks to happen. I think most people can recognize that even if they don't consider themselves to be conspiracy theorists. Unfortunately, people aren't letting the implications sink in: If they let it happen before, they will let it happen again. And the next round of patriot acts and NDAAs will not be nearly as nice.

I propose that we make this our focus, as the evidence truly is empirical, and the consequences are the exact same as controlled demolition. People are also much more open to the idea.

Themes present in the evidence:

• The Bush administration and intelligence agencies repeatedly ignored warnings, and went as far as to sabotage investigations that might have uncovered the plot.

• Various institutions and powerful people had tremendous motive to start wars and enact controlling legislation, and they have been shamelessly talking about it for decades.

• There is lots of evidence of insider knowledge that the attacks would take place on 9/11

• Evidence, both physical and information, were actively destroyed in the aftermath of the attacks.

• The 9/11 commission was a complete farce

• The narrative of bin Laden and the martyrdom-obsessed hijackers is a fabrication

• There were multiple strong financial motives behind the attacks, as well as it as a convenient means to destroy evidence of corruption.

If you click 'source' at the bottom of the post and each comment (it might require Reddit Enhancement Suite) then the format for copying and pasting is available so everyone can easily use this information across reddit.

If this post isn't put in the sidebar (and it really should) it will at least be put in the sidebar of /r/conspiracybestof, which is brand new and doesn't have many subscribers so please join us. There is already some great info there for people new to conspiracies.

I don't want to be overly dramatic or paranoid or anything, but it won't hurt to put on public record: After my Suspicious Circumstances Surrounding Michael Hastings' Death got 2k upvotes on r/bestof, I received a threat from a random reddit account saying "You have been noticed. You won't like the way your life is headed if you continue." So I want to state for the record that I love life and am in no way depressed, I don't drink and drive, and I don't do anything illegal on the internet, not even torrenting. If you are reading this, NSA/CIA etc, I am a complete pacifist and have no intention of resorting to violence in any circumstances, I am only exercising my right to free speech as enumerated in the bill of rights.

Thanks for everyones input in this thread and the last, and for helping me collect this information. Feel free to add to it at any time.

Please use the information in this thread in any manner you see fit.

If you're a fan of my work, I have a lot of content up at my website thepeopleshistory.net so check it out.

Edit: lastly if anyone wants to share this but isn't stoked on linking to a reddit post I have the info up on my website, this page here with a little concise narrative to go along with it.

Thank you so much for what you have already done and what you are doing. This is exactly what needed to happen.

Michael Hastings talked about his ambition to cultivate an "enemies list" and it seems like you are following in his footsteps. You are showing everyone that investigative work done on and through the internet can make a difference and that is awesome. If anything were to happen to you it would be so obvious to all of us here that I doubt they are willing to risk it. They are terrified of martyrs.

The line about how the next round of NDAAs and Patriot acts wont be so nice really hit home with me

History of Bin Laden/Al Qaeda

• US Security officials rejected key information on bin laden by Sudan (theres a theme here with investigating bin laden before 9/11 isnt there)

• "Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians. Inexplicably, and with disastrous consequences, it never appears to have occurred to Washington that once Russia was out of the way, Bin Laden's organisation would turn its attention to the west." - Robin Cook, former UK Foreign Secretary

• The CIA created and armed the Mujahideen with 7.5 billion in 1979 and the Saudis matched them dollar for dollar

• Bin Ladens MAK, precursor to Al Qaeda, received funding from the ISI (which received funding from the CIA)

• Bin Ladens tunnel complex, which he would later use after 9/11, was financed by the CIA

• "The Sudanese security services, he said, would happily keep close watch on bin Laden for the United States. But if that would not suffice, the government was prepared to place him in custody and hand him over, though to whom was ambiguous. In one formulation, Erwa said Sudan would consider any legitimate proffer of criminal charges against the accused terrorist." Their negotiations concluded as such: ""We said he will go to Afghanistan, and they [US officials!] said, 'Let him.'"- Washington Post 2001

• Clinton declined to charge bin laden with a crime in 94 even though he had been clearly linked to the WTC bombings.

• MI6 paid large sums to al qaeda in Libya to assassinate gadhaffi in 96. Gadaffi issued an INTERPOL arrest warrant for bin Laden in 98, US and UK downplayed it, likely because they had recently funded the libya cell. 5 months later, al qaeda bombed US embassies in Tanzania and Kenya

• Al Qaeda and the US fought on the same side of the war in Kosovo and Bosnia. They recently repeated the process with Libya and Syria

• According to the official story, bin Laden turned against the US after they occupied military bases in Saudi Arabia. This doesnt make sense, because: Scott Armstrong, at the time the top investigative reporter for the Washington Post, stated that the United States and Saudi Arabia had jointly conspired to covertly build $200 billion worth of military installations between the years 1979 and 1992. Steve Coll, eminent Bin Laden biographer, states that the Binladen group received a multitude of these contracts, with the knowing intent to support to house US military personal during wars that may threaten Saudi territory. This was occuring at the same time that Osama was tight with his family and using Binladen group assets to build bases in Afghanistan. Of course he was aware of the business dealings between the company.

• Prince Bandar bin Sultan of Saudi Arabia, on Larry King Live: "In the mid-'80s, if you remember, we and the United - Saudi Arabia and the United States were supporting the Mujahideen to liberate Afghanistan from the Soviets. He [Osama bin Laden] came to thank me for my efforts to bring the Americans, our friends, to help us against the atheists, he said the communists. Isn't it ironic?"

• And then there is the fascinating story of Egyptian Ali Muhammed, only tangentially related but thoroughly interesting nonetheless. He was a part of the fundamentalist military unit that assassinated Egyptian President Anwar Sadat in 1981. In 1984, he was hired by the CIA, though they claim that their relationship was short-lived. He would soon join the military and become a member of the Green Berets, and serve as a drill sergeant at Fort Bragg while providing clandestine training to jihadists such as Mahmud Abaouhalima, convicted perpetrator of the 1993 World Trade Center bombings.

• He would take a short leave from his military duties and travel to Afghanistan in 1988 to assist the Mujahideen, returning just months later.

• In the early 1990's he would return to Afghanistan and began training jihadists with the skills he had learned at Fort Bragg. According to former FBI special agent Jack Cloonan, in an interview with PBS, his first training session included Osama bin Laden, as well as Ayman al-Zawahiri, the current leader of Al Qaeda.

• Former Directors of Counter-terrorism at the National Security Council have alleged that Muhammed took maps and training materials from Fort Bragg and used them to write the Al Qaeda terrorist training manual.

• His superior at Fort Bragg, Lt. Col. Robert Anderson, has stated that “I think you or I would have a better chance of winning the Powerball lottery, than an Egyptian major in the unit that assassinated Sadat would have getting a visa, getting to California, getting into the Army and getting assigned to a Special Forces unit. That just doesn’t happen.”

• Elsewhere he stated that "It was unthinkable that an ordinary American GI would go unpunished after fighting in a foreign war," and that he assumed that Muhammed was sponsored by the CIA.

Suspicious Circumstances

• Suspicious money transfers in domestic banks

• The US received a dozen high profile warnings about a specific attack to hijack aircraft and fly them into buildings leading up to 9/11

• Plans to invade Afghanistan were made before the attacks

• Transcripts from NORAD's Northeast Air Defense Sector show shows the statement "Lets get rid of this goddamn sim", implying that NORAD was receiving false blips on their radar from the multiple war games taking place that morning.

• The tapes also reveal an unprecedented amount of real-world traffic in the hijacked planes airspace: “I’ve never seen so much real-world activity during an exercise.”

• The ISI, who is funded by the CIA, funneled 100,000 to Atta before the attacks

• The owner of Atta et al's flight school had been linked to cocaine smuggling. Iran/Contra anyone?

• Suspicious insider trader occurred before 9/11. Of course, the SEC says its alright so nothing to worry about.

• Intelligence agencies were told to 'back off' investigating bin laden by the bush administration after election

• French Intelligence has reported that the CIA met Bin Laden in July 2001 while he was at a Hospital on dialysis

• The security of WTC was heavily tied to intelligence agencies

• Total Information Awareness was already established in the Pentagon before 9/11

• Nearly 2 dozen suspicious deaths of people speaking out about 9/11

• A study found nano-thermite particles in WTC dust

• A tape made by FAA officials who dealt with hijacked aircraft describing the event was destroyed by a supervisor without a transcript being made

• Regarding suspicious financial transactions, from Reuters: Convar has recovered information from 32 computers that support assumptions of dirty doomsday dealings.

• FBI finding the highjackers passports several blocks away from the WTC, surviving the impact of the plane crash. (/u/weedtastic)

• Al Qaeda Leader Dined at the Pentagon Just Months After 9/11

• "$43 million to the Taliban rulers of Afghanistan, the most virulent anti-American violators of human rights in the world today. The gift, announced last Thursday by Secretary of State Colin Powell, in addition to other recent aid, makes the U.S. the main sponsor of the Taliban and rewards that "rogue regime" for declaring that opium growing is against the will of God." - Los Angeles Times

• 4 war games were in process during the attacks

• The National Reconaissance Office " was planning an exercise last Sept. 11 in which an errant aircraft would crash into one of its buildings." [(Published in 2002)]

• Larry Silverstein finalizes WTC lease less than 2 months before the attacks.. He collected 3.5 billion 4.577 billion (/u/dosdog) and has sued for more including airline companies for responsibility

• The Phoenix Memo: a letter sent to FBI headquarters on July 10, 2001 by FBI special agent Kenneth Williams recommending the assembling of a worldwide listing of civil aviation schools. Williams, then stationed in Phoenix, Arizona, was at the time investigating students at some of these schools for possible terrorist links.

• “Pilots for 9/11 Truth has reported that the data stream from the flight data recorder (FDR) for American Airlines flight 77, which allegedly struck the Pentagon on 9/11, shows that the cockpit door never opened during the entire 90 minute flight. The data was provided by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), which has refused to comment.” -Pilots for 9/11 truth

• the world trade center buildings were designed to withstand attacks from airplanes

• FBI says it has “No hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11”

• ‘USS Liberty’, ‘Gulf of Tonkin’, ‘Operation Northwoods’, 'Operation Gladio'

• Ron Paul and other insiders have claimed the Patriot Act was drafted before 9/11. Regardless, Joe Biden claims his 1995 bill was the basis of the Patriot Act and it was passed less than 2 months after 9/11

• Conspiracists (can I coin a new term conspiratorian?) Alex Jones and William Cooper both predicted 9/11 (Cooper would go on to predict his own death at the hands of local police as well)

• Over 1000 bodies are unaccounted for

• Cheney ran the government from an underground control room on 9/11 because the executive order by the President four months earlier had permitted Cheney to bypass the previous protocol. (Meanwhile Bush was reading to kids at a school)

• 13 renowned microbiologists die in under 5 months, 12 due to suspicious circumstances- Globe and Mail 2002. All have expertise relating to bioterrorism. Maybe connected to the Anthrax revelations.

• "Ivins [alleged anthrax maker and sender], no matter how weird he may have been, had neither the set of skills nor the means to attach silicon to anthrax spores. If Ivins had neither the equipment or skills to weaponize anthrax with silicon, then some other party with access to the anthrax must have done it."- Wall Street Journal

• On 8/2/2006, the Washington Post reported that "the Pentagon's initial story of how it reacted to the 2001 terrorist attacks may have been part of a deliberate effort to mislead the commission and the public" and that "the 10-member commission, in a secret meeting at the end of its tenure in summer 2004, debated referring the matter to the Justice Department for criminal investigation." Later, it was reported that NORAD's mistakes were due to "inadequate forensic capabilities" and "poor record-keeping."-WP

• The CIA has destroyed 92 tapes of harsh interrogations of 9/11 suspects

• Not 1 person has been held acountable for mistakes made leading up to and on September 11th.

• Cheney and Bush asked John Daschle not to investigate 9/11 at all

• [NORAD repeatedly lowered the number of fighters on alert the decades preceding 9/11- Commision Report

• Marvin Bush, W's younger brother, was a key figure in the company that provided security for the WTC complex

• Not one high level official was killed in the Pentagon

• The SEC invoked emergency powers allowing the DoD to clear 240 billion in securities without the proper regulations.

• BBC has lost its archives of reporting on 9/11 despite requirements to keep three copies. Therefore they claim they cannot comment on faulty reporting that day.

• The FBI withheld information from Congress regarding the hijackers time in Sarasota, Florida

• Verizon records show that Todd Beamers Cellphone remained on a call for 15 minutes after Flight 93 reportedly crashed. The records also show 19 calls made on later dates. Wall Street Journal

Suspicious Circumstances Continued

• Within hours of the attacks, the mainstream media was pointing fingers at bin Laden

• Documents have linked Saudi Arabia to funding extremists, but the Justice Department has blocked any chnce of legal recourse

• Former National Security Advisor Samuel Berger removed classified material from the National Archives and had them destroyed

• Watch this CSPAN of FBI whistleblower Robert Wright's press conference. It is fascinating. He had been writing a manuscript of a book detailing how the FBI had been exposing US citizens to terrorist attacks through incompetence and coverups 'derilection of duty', but when 9/11 happened they put a gag order put on him. He breaks down when he is detailing how he can not go into the details of what he knows of the connections between the Bush administration and the Bin Ladens and other information.

• He would later tell ABC: "September 11th is a direct result of the incompetence of the FBI's International Terrorism Unit"

• An MI5 torture victim has claimed that agents threatened to rape his wife and burn his house down with his family inside if he did not confess to the 7/7 attacks

• A group of 5 Israeli men set up video cameras pointing at the twin towers before the attacks happened- FBI Report. They were reportedly jumping for joy when the attacks hit. (/u/DAE_CATS, also linked to this essay of further possible Israel forknowledge)

• Multiple. Sources. Claiming. Bin Laden is or is likely dead long before Obama's announcement (/u/dosdog)

Not 1 person has been held acountable for mistakes made leading up to and on September 11th.

Most of the people openly involved were subsequently actually promoted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_fp5kaVYhk has some details there is a site out there, couldn't find it.

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He paid millions for the lease, not billions.

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Silverstein Properties invested only $15 million toward a total purchase-price of $3.2 billion for a 99-year lease on holdings worth an estimated $8 billion.

http://www.911review.com/attack/wtc/

Confusion solved.

Ive always thought 9/11 conspiracy stuff was bullshit but this stuff is scary

Of the 1.5 years ive spent lurking for hours a day in this sub...I think this is my favorite comment ever.

Great to know haha

why did you think that?

Reading government misinformation

12 years to reach this conclusion?

Hehe im 18 so im kind of just now waking up

Welcome....? Anyways, get ready to be severely disappointed by your elected officials. Don't get discouraged, the rabbit hole is very, very deep.

I know.

The only thing i dont get is... why are so many of these people who talk about this shit not mysteriously dead

Most of the people who could actually do something about are.

Better late than never.

About time...

You're an American right? That's what I taught...

There's no reason to be snide about it.

Holy shit, posting in an epic thread.

I'd like to add my post which hopefully can be incorporated.

The official 500 page FBI report including East Rutherford Police Department report on the dancing Israelis arrested under suspicion of involvement and of pre knowledge of the attacks on 9/11, obtained in 2011 under a FOIA request.

Running commentary on the FBI and Police report with some opinions and theories.

Christopher Ketchum's report for Counter Punch detailing the circumstances around the suspects with addition information of 100's of Israeli agents suspected of trying to penetrate US law enforcement and agencies across the US (PDF.)

The Ketchum report details how close these Israelis lived to many of the hijackers and shows the addresses of both the hijackers and the Israelis. It's too coincidental that MOSSAD agents were living in some cases a few hundred metres away from the hijackers at the same time.

Thanks for the post and saved for posterity.

Ok, I'm convinced. What is the main reason for U.S. to attack itself? I think OIL / Minerals is just too naive to attack Iraq.

Briefly, to further the Global Plan. As will Syria and Iran after that and...

Tonight there's a roaring storm

I think OIL / Minerals is just too naive to attack Iraq.

That's absurd. It is crystal clear that wars are fought over resources, and the evidence of oil being a key for attacking Iraq is overwhelming. Didn't our politicians openly talk about using Iraq's oil to pay for the war?

Isn't the denial of petroleum by then the world's largest oil producer (the US) one of the critical reasons that Japan attacked the US at Pearl Harbor -- because the Japanese had to seize the oil in the-then "Dutch East Indies" (now Indonesia) and US forces in the Philippines/Guam and British forces in Asia would stop or hinder any such Japanese offensive? Japan was faced with economic decline or wage war; they chose war.

First, consider the US geo-political position in the world.

If you research the "Silk Road Strategy" bill that was debated in the US Congress in the 1990s, the US intended on replacing the centuries of Russian influence/hegemony in the energy-rich central Asia/Caspian Sea area with US hegemony. The US also wanted to establish complete hegemony over the Middle East.

The world peak oil production concept is important in this. Today everyone from the UN energy agency to Germany's gov't says the world has hit peak petroleum production. We're presently on a plateau where new types of oil production (e.g. tar/oil sands, shale, etc.) are only replacing old dying wells -- total worldwide production is not increasing by any significant amount and is nowhere near keeping up with demand, doubly so if the economy was growing.

By controlling the Middle East and Caspian basin, those two critical areas of petroleum production, the US de facto would have its hands around the throats of both Europe and China. US gov't nat'l security guru Zbigniew Brzezinski focused on this in his famous book "The Grand Chessboard".

Okay, so how could the US gov't do this? Such moves would require fighting a war or two. When Bush came to power, many of the people he appointed were previously involved in the Project for a New American Century which famously said such a military offensive could not be undertaken with support of the American people without some sort of "new Pearl Harbor".

9/11 provided the "new Pearl Harbor" and the month-plus-long series of anthrax attacks generated the fear of "terrorism" that allowed the people who run the US gov't to enact their strategy and to wage their wars.

30-50 years from now Oil will be a thing of the past. We will be using solar power to power all our energy needs. I'm sure that the current Oil resource will be enough until we master the Solar power.

If this is the reasoning behind the attacks, then US is really not thinking very hard.

I think there's more to this than oil. Instead of focusing on Oil, lets try to think another reason why US want to claim the lands of Iraq.

For the first time in a long time (maybe ever?), there is a single global superpower - the United States. We effectively set up puppet leaders in South and Central America, our European allies do what we tell them to, and we successfully bought out Russia. What's left? China and the Middle East. By maintaining a strong military presence in the Middle East, we prevent collusion of those Eurasian states. By keeping control of oil and keeping it priced on the dollar, we keep China below us. 9/11 was the catalyst that allowed us to invade where we needed to invade.

Also, a side note, fossil fuels are required for much more than energy. Solar panels can produce electricity, but essentially every other piece of infrastructure to transport and utilize that energy is currently dependent on fossil fuels. From tires to toothbrushes, it is in everything!

Ok, I understand. What about NSA spying? Why US wants to spy all the world?

For the reasons above, so they can control everything. If they know what your thinking before you have taken action, they can put a gameplan in place in time

Ok.

I've been thinking this a lot. I watched Minority Report and was scared if our future becomes like that.

If there will be a technology similar to Minority Report where they can just read all your mind without even typing or saying it out loud. We are all fucked. We will become puppets. We are already puppets in this world but we still have artificial freedom. But if a technology like Minority report came to light, you can't even think. You'll work for the ones in power.

If we allow this NSA to happen. Then I don't know what will happen in the future of mankind.

Yeah it is a possibility and it is not good.

But by in large we are an awesome species and I have hope we won't let that happen

Afghanistan has opiates aplenty for the gigantic American pharmaceutical industry.

Don't underestimate the power of crazy people.

On Sept. 9th 2001 the leader of the Northern Alliance was assassinated in Afghanistan.

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Thanks.

Posting in an epic thread. /r/bestof Material. This is exactly why this information won't go away. Too Many Questions Remain.

Nice stuff; wrong format.

It needs to go here, or somewhere like it:

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/wiki/911

Can the mods enable editing on that page?

we already have planned adding this to the wiki.

When did you plan adding this? Are you going to enable editing?

tomorow probably.

we might let some users have edit rights but not everybody will be able to do so.

Hey guys, since everyone is sharing I thought I'd share a little fact that someone told me yesterday. I brought up a question to one of my coworkers who worked private security at WTC2. He said that there were 2 floors that were off limits to his security crew. He said the FBI and CIA were known to occupy these floors. Can anyone find any reports to back this up?

Great work, brother

Good Videos To Share

• 9/11: A Conspiracy Theory 5 mins

• Solving the Mystery Of WTC Building 7 15 mins

• 9/11: Press For Truth

• Loose Change 9/11: An American Coup

• 9/11: Experts Speak Out

lol conspiracy nuts

Scott Forbes worked in the South Tower shortly before 9/11. Here is his testimony regarding a mysterious 'power down' that occurred in the weeks leading up to the attack.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUip4-Ibzk0

Gish Gallop-

In written form, a Gish Gallop is most commonly observed as a long list of supposed facts or reasons, as a pamphlet or green ink web page, with a title that proudly boasts the number of reasons involved. The individual points must also be fairly terse, often to the point where each point individually is easy to refute because it simply proves nothing. But combined, a Gish Gallop might run into the same length as a multi-page essay running into thousands of words. This provides insight into the motives of the Galloper, as there seems to be some conflict between the scale of the Gallop and the shortness of the individual points. If brevity and ease of understanding were the aim (as suggested by short, easy-to-digest points) then they would be better off with a smaller number of points, like "the best five reasons" or "the top ten arguments." These not only stick in the mind of a reader, but also form a core argument that can be expanded on. If, on the other hand, the aim was a coherent and thorough argument (as suggested by the word count), then the purpose would be best served by using the thousands of words expended in the Gallop to make a full essay, with points expanded and elaborated on to ensure they were thoroughly argued. By taking a curious middle ground, a Gish Gallop tries to create the illusion of authority and weight of evidence by sheer quantity alone, without any quality to back it up. To supporters, the illusion works, but those who disagree with the Galloper's points often find the repetitive assertions and non-explanations tedious to deal with.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop

There are no assertions or non-explanations here, only documented facts. Its alright if you don't think the towers were brought down by controlled demolition but the evidence of complicity, foreknowledge, coverup and suppression are undeniable.

They are deniable. That's the point.

Payne Stewert plane took an hour and twenty minutes to intercept. I'll take time zones for 200 Alex.

"According to a USAF timeline, a series of military planes provided an emergency escort to the stricken Lear, beginning with an F-16 from Eglin Air Force Base, about an hour and twenty minutes (9:33 EDT to 9:52 CDT – see NTSB report on the crash) after ground controllers lost contact." source source2

Thanks for the info. The source for the 20 minutes was from the Dallas morning news but it does indeed look like they are wrong. I will remove it from the list.

I'm curious, what do you think about the Continuity of Government?

Well that is the reason for this whole post being a Gish Gallop. That was a factual error, so it is easy. But how about something that is an error that takes some explaining?

Your post is nothing but an echo chamber for the believers.

If you want to push an agenda, this is a great post, but if you actually do care if something is true or not, this post is a tremendous disservice.

I don't care one iota about the continuity of government.

I think we need a lot more science and critical thinking in government.

Add this one : The owner of the WTC ( Larry Silverstein) , his daughter, his son, and his closest advisers/employees all happened to NOT be in the buildings on 9/11 for various reasons.

Thermite cutting through steel beams - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNOM_U5UM6Q

I guess you've never seen this: http://www.debunking911.com/thermite.htm

that site is a government disinfo site, its been proven. you need a better source

Assuming that was true... OK... here's several dozen more in only 3 links:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZbMfTtHkYM

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/akrna/i_am_a_debunker_of_911_conspiracy_theories_ama/

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLD53B1326B705253D

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/akrna/i_am_a_debunker_of_911_conspiracy_theories_ama

Unless you saw something specific this IAmA doesn't explain the presence of thermite.
The paper they are citing Progress Report on the Analysis of Red/Gray Chips in WTC Dust was written by James R. Millette, Ph.D. of MVA Scientific Consultants and Funds for the study were raised with help from members of the James Randi Educational Foundation.

Compare the papers. Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe. Maybe you'll notice some spheres missing in one of them?

In 2002 Millette also helped the EPA with this paper CHARACTERIZATION OF THE DUST/SMOKE AEROSOL THAT SETTLED EAST OF THE WORLD TRADE CENTER (WTC) IN LOWER MANHATTAN AFTER THE COLLAPSE OF THE WTC 11 SEPTEMBER 2001

We should inquire why a peer reviewed paper published in 2009 that found unreacted thermite in the dust of the WTC would only be investigated (three years later) by the The James Randi Educational Fund? Shouldn't the entire scientific community be interested or involved? What's keeping people from scrutinizing what Niels H. Harrit, Jeffrey Farrer, Steven E. Jones Kevin R. Ryan, Frank M. Legge, Daniel Farnsworth, Gregg Roberts, James R. Gourley and Bradley R. Larsen found?

LOL, I just play advocate. . . Theres some truth to this site, yes, but its not absolute.

If you are an American and still think that Ossama and friends did it, wow... I can't imagine someone living in this delusion.

pity

so much more in this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blSifMddGf8

if you can get past the crappy production quality

How has this film only gotten 40K views? This needs to be seen by EVERYONE.

Many versions, many takedown attempts.

Larry Silverstein AND two of his children (Roger and Lisa) that worked in the buildings were absent during the attack.

WTC7 was empty of workers at 8:45am on a workday, very strange.

how many stories of people escaping that building have been reported, one I believe, the maintenance guy and his colleague.

Source?

Since this thread is profusely well-documented with links, many/most of them pointing to "mainstream" sources (as opposed to some blog), it would seem like a link to some source would be required for such a claim.

WTC7 was empty of workers at 8:45am on a workday, very strange.

Source?

The building was evacuated when it was seen that there was a danger, but it wasn't that early.

fuck man

We should post this in r/bestof.

The second plane that was shown on video appears to enter the WTC building without slowing down or deforming as expected

There was no wake vortex as expected in the smoke from the other building.

E4B's were identified in NY and Washington immediately after the attacks.

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My favorite things are conspiracy theorists calling each other conspiracy theorists.

I don't see why one is more valued than the other.

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Except E48 (Venus 77) wasn't in the sky until after the Pentagon was hit. That is pretty easy to see because you know... radar and such.

Realistically, Judy Wood has more academic credibility than Stephen Jones. She's still employed too. While Stephen Jones was kicked out because he was an embarrassment.

also the speeds indicated near ground level preclude passenger jets. air becomes too thick near sea level for those speeds, especially with any kind of control these were targeted attacks,

hence the E4B's and the IR guiding laser inadvertently caught on video.

holograms aren't needed. just a missile/drone that might be mistaken for a plane. this is consistent with Northwoods.

As for the videos, Evan Fairbanks comments on his own video are ...'interesting' and TV is easy to manipulate, there are indications it was.

Regardless, none of the supposed airplane crashes behaved like what airplane crashes should. None of them.

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yes, the observation of plane trajectories, speeds and impacts being inconsistent with what is possible in reality is as esoteric as discussing gravitational acceleration for WTC7. as I said, Northwoods gives a good precedent for this, and E4B's and IR lasers complicate things.

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here's a 3nour video that discusses the sources, I don't have inclination to annotate the video, but point you in the right direction.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-a4B4aNStQ#t=1h22m55s

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there are too many sources. pilots for 9/11 truth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEQtxTnDusk

lloyde england, taxi driver with lamppost admission

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crvWTg-Lb6U

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They were military versions of the 757 with different flights charateristics, higher speed for one, which has been proven the 2nd hit the plane was going too fast to be a civilian 757.

no, the lamppost stuff isn't related to anything other than the fact that the cabbie seems to admit the scene was staged and others are saying there were two planes - at least two different paths.

the official 'video' 5 frames is inconclusive, but certainly doesn't appear to be a passenger jet either. 85 videos and that's all we get?

my feeling after watching the first link, the 3 hour video - watch a bit at a time it's not so bad.. is that two objects were involved. One impacted to the left and in front of the hole that we see. the hole is made by a bunker buster.. really it was kevlar reinforced to withstand such attacks.. only a bunker buster would do for the most important military building in USA

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so what. these objections can be handled one at a time.

first, TV overlay was already in use in games.
second, there are only 3 or 4 shots from helicopters for all networks to consider
third, videos and photos were confiscated and returned in some cases altered (Evan Fairbanks) some photos were taken from video stills and passed off.
fourth. many witnesses describe something different than passenger jet
fifth.. the media that day can be heard correcting witnesses that they did see a passenger plane when they maintain otherwise.

I'd rather suffer through every question and inconsistency than believe lies I'm fed mindlessly.

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there are only a few videos and photos of the plane impact that survived, some of those photos are actually stills from the videos.

for example, I already mentioned one, another is Michael Hezarkhani

here you go. these are ALL of them. have a nice read:

http://killtown.911review.org/2nd-hit.html

true there is one video that I found that wasn't confiscated or altered, so not all of them were. the one video I found is from very far away, recorded on a phone or something and shows a strange feature that could be an IR targeting laser.

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every available photo and video has been scrutinized.

http://killtown.911review.org/2nd-hit.html

it was not a passenger plane.

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not live, but delayed by some seconds. and yes I think it's possible that 4 feeds could have been altered in those seconds.

look at all the available footage and decide for yourself. there's no way for me to get other evidence for you.

was it a missile? even a plane can be considered a missile. it was certainly a projectile of some sort. one that easily penetrated the steel frames of the building and reinforced walls of pentagon and exploded inside. much like a global hawk or JASSM might behave.

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pointless? it's more pointless to ignore the overwhelming case that passenger jet hijacking and being used to penetrate buildings story is plain impossible on many many accounts.

meanwhile all the footage and videos showing planes is suspect. dismiss it if you want.

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You may not have noticed that very few of these points are regarding the physical aspects of 9/11.

Instead, the focus is on complicity, motivation and coverup.

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lol, you're going to have to try a little harder than that

You'll need to stop using derogatory terms to describe the people in this forum.

Its okay to not like things. Just don't be a dick about the things you don't like.

Thanks.

How has this film only gotten 40K views? This needs to be seen by EVERYONE.

lol, you're going to have to try a little harder than that

Ok.

I've been thinking this a lot. I watched Minority Report and was scared if our future becomes like that.

If there will be a technology similar to Minority Report where they can just read all your mind without even typing or saying it out loud. We are all fucked. We will become puppets. We are already puppets in this world but we still have artificial freedom. But if a technology like Minority report came to light, you can't even think. You'll work for the ones in power.

If we allow this NSA to happen. Then I don't know what will happen in the future of mankind.