Tin-foil hats should be used to describe those who don't believe in conspiracies. It just doesn't get into their heads no matter how obvious things are.
ha! funny you say that. I recently got into a little back and forth with some MSM jizz swallower on faceB and spun the whole "conspiracy" around him and sent him flying on his head.
After i posted videos of the rebels clearly launching chemical weapons he had the balls to say something along the lines of the legitmacy of the videos is questionable because "god bless syria" was edited at the beginning of the video.
I responded by saying if he is willing to suggest the Assad government made a series of fake videos of "rebels" launching chemical attacks, he better back it up with some proof. otherwise, he needs to take off the tin-foil hat because thats a conspiracy theory no one else agrees with. I think i also threw something about how his proof better be undeniable, and not in the John Kerry sense, just to make sure his coffin was nailed.
I don't think OP said anything about up votes so you don't have to assume that's what he meant. Anything at the top of the page is in plain sight anyway and if it was being controlled people would have a easier time figuring that out. With down voting, most people won't get to see what your controlling because they will never view it.
Well, shit. And there surely is nothing like a reset of downvotes from a specific source if it would be detected to downvote all submissions of a subreddit.
Eglin Airforce Base has over 100k visits to reddit (per day I think).
With a population of 7k......
You'd at least think the fools would have the common decency to hide their propaganda efforts. But I guess it's a message to anyone smart enough to figure it out, they've won.
Also, Oak Brook Illinois is the home of many large corporations (McDonalds and Staples and others). Nothing sinister, but interesting. Wikipedia says it has around 7k residents.
Eglin would need far fewer people to accomplish 7000 visits a day with the persona management software they requested.
Downvotes with that many 'people' would effectively bury any content they wanted to disappear.
edit, Clearer than that. I'll just quote the relevant passage
Added: Jun 22, 2010 1:42 pm0001- Online Persona Management Service. 50 User Licenses, 10 Personas per user.Software will allow 10 personas per user, replete with background , history,supporting details, and cyber presences that are technically, culturally and geographacilly consistent. Individual applications will enable an operator to exercise a number of different online persons from the same workstation and without fear of being discovered by sophisticated adversaries. Personas must be able to appear to originate in nearly any part of the world and can interact through conventional online services and social media platforms. The service includes a user friendly application environment to maximize the user's situational awareness by displaying real-time local information.0002- Secure Virtual Private Network (VPN). 1 each VPN provides the ability for users to daily and automatically obtain randomly selected IP addresses through which they can access the internet. The daily rotation of the user s IP address prevents compromise during observation of likely or targeted web sites or services, while hiding the existence of the operation. In addition, may provide traffic mixing, blending the user s traffic with traffic from multitudes of users from outside the organization. This traffic blending provides excellent cover and powerful deniability. Anonymizer Enterprise Chameleon or equal 0003- Static IP Address Management. 50 each Licence protects the identity of government agencies and enterprise organizations. Enables organizations to manage their persistent online personas by assigning static IP addresses to each persona. Individuals can perform static impersonations, which allow them to look like the same person over time.Also allows organizations that frequent same site/service often to easily switch IP addresses to look like ordinary users as opposed to one organization.Anonymizer IP Mapper License or equal0004- Virtual Private Servers, CONUS. 1 each Provides CONUS or OCONUS points of presence locations that are setup for each customer based on the geographic area of operations the customer is operating within and which allow a customer?s online persona(s) to appear to originate from. Ability to provide virtual private servers that are procured using commercial hosting centers around the world and which are established anonymously. Once procured, the geosite is incorporated into the network and integrated within the customers environment and ready for use by the customer.Unless specifically designated as shared, locations are dedicated for use by each customer and never shared among other customers. Anonymizer Annual Dedicated CONUS Light Geosite or equal0005- Virtual Private Servers, OCONUS. 8 Each Provides CONUS or OCONUS points of presence locations that are setup for each customer based on the geographic area of operations the customer is
This is why they need to show who up/downvotes posts. People are still anonymous through their username, so why not? It would show the utter truth that certain accounts/IP's only purpose is to control what is being read.
I gave you an upvote because it's actually a good question. My comment was because this is such a common discussion on the /r/conspiracy. However very few people suspect much about the military specifically, but definitely members of elite forces, intelligence agencies, corporations etc.
The truth is, everyone is trying to control the message as much as possible, especially on this sub.
Well, whether or not you should feel stupid depends on your age. If you are 56 years old and thought Obama was going to make things better, you were stupid. If you're only 20, you get a pass.
So, your name is Jeff Barrett and that's your picture? And you delete old posts because you're paranoid? My paranoia bullshit meter is off the ducking charts. I need my MOPP 4 tinfoil suit.
It's weird that you deleted your two most successful posts. What's even weirder, is that you have failed to explain why you also have so much comment karma with only a dozen comments, none of which have that much karma.
Let me guess you got drunk and deleted the past two years of your comments? I may be crazy here, but this doesn't make any sense.
I guess it does make sense. You were right, paranoia. It's ridiculous these days. I feel like a very large portion of reddit is someone with a hidden agenda, especially /news /worldnews /conspiracy and /politics. I guess that's life in the electronic Panopticon.
Reddit has means to prevent someone upvoting themselves to the high heavens with 20 alt-accounts.
Try it yourself, make a few accounts and upvote your own comments - Make sure to refresh the page a few times and you'll see your overall karma is unchanged.
there was a 'how to be a sockpuppet' guide floating around awhile back, and i kinda like it here so i'd rather not link to it or share details... but if you are getting paid to sockpuppet, and sitting in a room with a dozen others doing the same- you can play 'tag' all day long, bud.
It's more likely that they are social media management contractors working on behalf of the government. I've noticed the same thing on certain threads.
Every post, every sub is scanned by government or military for certain words, phrases, etc... and then its one computer's job to record it while another downvotes it. On some subs the moderators are most likely involved as well.
Why not? Its not like the mods have to go through a screening process to ensure their ability to be neutral. Modding is a volunteer job. Some mods are good and take this seriously and really do try hard. Others are paid by the government, military, and/or corporations to censor or delete offending posts.
All I do when asking a question like this is think...if I was in power would I do it? (if I was in power and a part of the current group of narcissistic psychopaths who run the country!)
I had found a closed subreddit that they used but I can't for the life of me remember the exact name. But, you know they're here downvoting everything they can.
I don't know if you know this, but though I am in the military I'm not spying and I don't know where your getting your ideas, but they are kind of....out there.
To give you a straight answer yes I do. With a government so eager to keep it's population dumbed down and uninformed, I have no doubts that there are spooks around these parts.
Most of the time the fear of censorship is way overblown in this subbreddit. It is the wild age of the internet censorship doesn't work if the consumer wants information he/she will find it. Or the 5 threads on RP he where got "cut off" after a 7 minute segment that was probably about to end. Fucking pointless
But that being said, yes it is more than possible it's likely reddit is being manipulated by all sorts of goverment institutions manipulating these forums. Reddit is now a massive site and we know there are contracts for "shills" who go around fucking with popular media sources. In reddit they have all sorts of things to manipulate and you will hear some crazy conspiracies. Just don't rely 100% on reddit for your world events
Highly likely - not sure if military or military contractors.
There was an article about Facebook and how they use an application that can control a hundred 'users' with one log in. Think that doesn't go for the rest of ANY social networking site, reddit included?
Where did all your posts and comments go? You have some karma but your profile doesn't show more than one day of stuff. Let me guess: sometimes when you get drunk you erase all of your old posts.
Do you really think that the military/industrial/political complex does not invest a huge amount of time, money and effort to manipulate public opinion?
You mean how like every day reddit users downvote links they don't like? The horror! Conspiracy!!!! There's way more regular people users than members of the military. Esp considering the anti-war circle jerk community that this site consists of.
I'm just trying to find the distinction between a group of people who supposedly target subreddits and down vote them (the military in this sense) and people who come up one here and down vote someone because they have an unpopular opinion(circle-jerk crew.) Which do you think actually happens more often?
Eh, that's actually a good point. For what it's worth, if you had made it clear that you were referring to that kind of posters rather than just normal users who downvote stuff they don't like, I wouldn't have taken issue with it. In hindsight I think I may have been the one to respond prematurely.
I think the distinction is first in the aim: what the OP theorizes is the idea of people downvoting comments in an organised manner, so as to promote a certain political point of view. I think circle jerks mostly act out of hubris.
Second, i think the distinction is in the intention. A circle jerk feels angered or annoyed and wants to get back at the person who made the comment. The organisation OP speaks of isn't really personal; rather it seeks to eradicate resistance on a scale greater than interpersonality.
There's probably more to it, but I guess the end result ends up being the same - posts getting downvoted for the wrong reasons. So again, I think your point is valid. I removed my earlier post.
You presented a good argument. Most of my initial reactions to stuff like this are off the cuff. I should have been a bit more clear. While I'm not saying that it's impossible for the military to do something like that, I think it's not as likely.
You're right. That's bullshit, and I was fucking with you because I'm a jaded asshole who is fully aware of the idea you're trying to get across, but with no idea of how to combat it. I see logical comments downvoted, and boilerplate FOX newscaster responses mass-upvoted. It almost makes more sense to read the lowest rated comments first if the idea is to rate them on truthiness. For now I'm grateful that the comments are shown at all.
par·a·noi·a
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noun
1.
a mental condition characterized by delusions of persecution, unwarranted jealousy, or exaggerated self-importance, typically elaborated into an organized system. It may be an aspect of chronic personality disorder, of drug abuse, or of a serious condition such as schizophrenia in which the person loses touch with reality.
You're right. That's bullshit, and I was fucking with you because I'm a jaded asshole who is fully aware of the idea you're trying to get across, but with no idea of how to combat it. I see logical comments downvoted, and boilerplate FOX newscaster responses mass-upvoted. It almost makes more sense to read the lowest rated comments first if the idea is to rate them on truthiness. For now I'm grateful that the comments are shown at all.
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38 -Lowbrow- 2013-09-04
No way, that could never happen and no one in power would ever do anything that in any way could ever be called "conspiratorial".
16 [deleted] 2013-09-04
Yes, you'd have to be crazy to think this!!! And here is a reference to some type of wacky hat.
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19 NineteenEightyTwo 2013-09-04
Tin-foil hats should be used to describe those who don't believe in conspiracies. It just doesn't get into their heads no matter how obvious things are.
5 fredman555 2013-09-04
ha! funny you say that. I recently got into a little back and forth with some MSM jizz swallower on faceB and spun the whole "conspiracy" around him and sent him flying on his head.
After i posted videos of the rebels clearly launching chemical weapons he had the balls to say something along the lines of the legitmacy of the videos is questionable because "god bless syria" was edited at the beginning of the video.
I responded by saying if he is willing to suggest the Assad government made a series of fake videos of "rebels" launching chemical attacks, he better back it up with some proof. otherwise, he needs to take off the tin-foil hat because thats a conspiracy theory no one else agrees with. I think i also threw something about how his proof better be undeniable, and not in the John Kerry sense, just to make sure his coffin was nailed.
8 [deleted] 2013-09-04
It permits me to not respond to information and to not think critically about the doings of my government and the military industrial complex.
-6 Rockran 2013-09-04
Which means all the things that remain heavily upvoted are supported by the military, right?
So every single top post on this sub is therefore supported by the military, according to this logic.
3 JD87 2013-09-04
I don't think OP said anything about up votes so you don't have to assume that's what he meant. Anything at the top of the page is in plain sight anyway and if it was being controlled people would have a easier time figuring that out. With down voting, most people won't get to see what your controlling because they will never view it.
3 Rockran 2013-09-04
That's not what I meant.
Anything allowed to remain heavily upvoted by the Reddit community has been allowed to stay - Anything allowed to stay is supported by the military.
The military doesn't have to upvote anything, merely downvote. Everything else is approved.
0 mrOsteel 2013-09-04
What if they're upvoting things they disapprove of to confuse us? Hiding in plane sight.
1 Rockran 2013-09-04
That would defeat the purpose.
2 Mosethyoth 2013-09-04
Well, shit. And there surely is nothing like a reset of downvotes from a specific source if it would be detected to downvote all submissions of a subreddit.
2 -Lowbrow- 2013-09-04
Or, inconsequential to the military's agenda and therefore ignored.
1 Rockran 2013-09-04
The top post of /r/conspiracy is an image encouraging Americans to take their country back.
How is that inconsequential to the military's agenda?
28 AssuredlyAThrowAway 2013-09-04
Yep, Eglin Air Force Base is no doubt wher they;re running the M.I.S.O shit out of.
Reddit's quite compromised.
If it were just regular users we'd probably be okay, but I'm pretty sure some mod spots have dod connections and contracts.
Anyway, trying to think of ways out of this at r-timetostartanew and anyone is welcome to help.
14 electricblues42 2013-09-04
Eglin Airforce Base has over 100k visits to reddit (per day I think).
With a population of 7k......
You'd at least think the fools would have the common decency to hide their propaganda efforts. But I guess it's a message to anyone smart enough to figure it out, they've won.
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9 electricblues42 2013-09-04
http://blog.reddit.com/2013/05/get-ready-for-global-reddit-meetup-day.html
Also, Oak Brook Illinois is the home of many large corporations (McDonalds and Staples and others). Nothing sinister, but interesting. Wikipedia says it has around 7k residents.
4 Superconducter 2013-09-04
http://www.scribd.com/doc/51066167/Online-Persona-Management
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11 Superconducter 2013-09-04
Air force requests online persona management software.
If the page isn't there or isn't readable here's a screenshot.
http://imgur.com/QuNwHwJ
Eglin would need far fewer people to accomplish 7000 visits a day with the persona management software they requested.
Downvotes with that many 'people' would effectively bury any content they wanted to disappear.
edit, Clearer than that. I'll just quote the relevant passage
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5 Superconducter 2013-09-04
I saw that the 7000 mentioned wasn't the number of hits from them per day.. I decided it didn't matter much what statistic was touted.
I was paying more attention to getting the info out which was problematic for various reasons, than in the statistics of it all.
As to the info not being in the cache I originally got it before the cache but the original isn't still online.
The software I'm referring to is easily scaled up to be any amount of traffic.
I'm sure the successful provider would like to sell more units and the Air Force would like to buy more too if it was successful.
2 Superconducter 2013-09-04
http://forums.officer.com/t160914/
edit, It won't be anywhere long. That only makes the information more valid.
Bottom of the linked page,
1 colaturka 2013-09-04
Maybe they're just got are really bored and have alot of free time?
0 Uraeus 2013-09-04
This is why they need to show who up/downvotes posts. People are still anonymous through their username, so why not? It would show the utter truth that certain accounts/IP's only purpose is to control what is being read.
0 loki1887 2013-09-04
Nice try NSA.
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7 [deleted] 2013-09-04
I gave you an upvote because it's actually a good question. My comment was because this is such a common discussion on the /r/conspiracy. However very few people suspect much about the military specifically, but definitely members of elite forces, intelligence agencies, corporations etc.
The truth is, everyone is trying to control the message as much as possible, especially on this sub.
8 [deleted] 2013-09-04
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8 [deleted] 2013-09-04
Well, whether or not you should feel stupid depends on your age. If you are 56 years old and thought Obama was going to make things better, you were stupid. If you're only 20, you get a pass.
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2 Lowlypeon 2013-09-04
That's what happens when you don't do any research on a candidate before voting.
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3 [deleted] 2013-09-04
Everyone hoped obama would, dont feel stupid, you should feel smarter having learned.
2 KingBasten 2013-09-04
You can research all you want - the problem is not the candidate, it's the system that he's part of.
2 [deleted] 2013-09-04
How is that you have so much karma with barely any comments or posts?
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2 HeLMeT_Ne 2013-09-04
Nope. Not gonna click it.
3 [deleted] 2013-09-04
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2 HeLMeT_Ne 2013-09-04
Which is? Your pic or my move?
2 Herxheim 2013-09-04
he looks like he is bartering a didg song for a cup of joe. good on him, fuck the system.
-1 Doctor_Brain-Wave 2013-09-04
So, your name is Jeff Barrett and that's your picture? And you delete old posts because you're paranoid? My paranoia bullshit meter is off the ducking charts. I need my MOPP 4 tinfoil suit.
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2 [deleted] 2013-09-04
Where are those posts?
2 [deleted] 2013-09-04
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1 [deleted] 2013-09-04
It's weird that you deleted your two most successful posts. What's even weirder, is that you have failed to explain why you also have so much comment karma with only a dozen comments, none of which have that much karma.
Let me guess you got drunk and deleted the past two years of your comments? I may be crazy here, but this doesn't make any sense.
When I get paranoid, I create a new identity.
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3 [deleted] 2013-09-04
I guess it does make sense. You were right, paranoia. It's ridiculous these days. I feel like a very large portion of reddit is someone with a hidden agenda, especially /news /worldnews /conspiracy and /politics. I guess that's life in the electronic Panopticon.
2 colaturka 2013-09-04
Thanks, I'm going to try that. Which subreddit would you advise to post it in?
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2 colaturka 2013-09-04
I was thinking exactly that.
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13 gearhead454 2013-09-04
All day, Every day.
7 Rockran 2013-09-04
Your comment remains with high karma, therefore your comment is supported by the military?
0 icollectdubstep 2013-09-04
Each person can juggle 5-20 sockpuppets dude.
1 Rockran 2013-09-04
It doesn't work like that.
Reddit has means to prevent someone upvoting themselves to the high heavens with 20 alt-accounts.
Try it yourself, make a few accounts and upvote your own comments - Make sure to refresh the page a few times and you'll see your overall karma is unchanged.
2 Uraeus 2013-09-04
No matter the amount of accounts ~ you only get one vote per IP.
2 [deleted] 2013-09-04
It is super hard to use a different ip.
1 icollectdubstep 2013-09-04
there was a 'how to be a sockpuppet' guide floating around awhile back, and i kinda like it here so i'd rather not link to it or share details... but if you are getting paid to sockpuppet, and sitting in a room with a dozen others doing the same- you can play 'tag' all day long, bud.
9 HS_00 2013-09-04
It's more likely that they are social media management contractors working on behalf of the government. I've noticed the same thing on certain threads.
9 HeLMeT_Ne 2013-09-04
Every post, every sub is scanned by government or military for certain words, phrases, etc... and then its one computer's job to record it while another downvotes it. On some subs the moderators are most likely involved as well.
2 electricblues42 2013-09-04
/r/NolibsWatch is a good sub to read about the abuses of pro-war and extremely pro-israeli moderators and users.
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8 HeLMeT_Ne 2013-09-04
Why not? Its not like the mods have to go through a screening process to ensure their ability to be neutral. Modding is a volunteer job. Some mods are good and take this seriously and really do try hard. Others are paid by the government, military, and/or corporations to censor or delete offending posts.
2 Rockran 2013-09-04
There's no inbetween?
Why can't there be asshole mods, lazy mods, mods with an agenda - Yet whom have no ties with any agencies?
1 HeLMeT_Ne 2013-09-04
This was not a statement about all mods. Never meant to be all or nothing proposition. They can definitely not fall into either category.
6 theworldisfuckd 2013-09-04
All I do when asking a question like this is think...if I was in power would I do it? (if I was in power and a part of the current group of narcissistic psychopaths who run the country!)
5 iamanopinion 2013-09-04
The NSA runs the bots.
5 joe123456 2013-09-04
Persona Management is what they're called. Yes they're here. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1ec_1300387846
I had found a closed subreddit that they used but I can't for the life of me remember the exact name. But, you know they're here downvoting everything they can.
2 joe123456 2013-09-04
also, there's this, when you search for "persona management": http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/02/22/exclusive-militarys-persona-software-cost-millions-used-for-classified-social-media-activities/
4 joe123456 2013-09-04
There's also this article by Barrett Brown about them (the Military, the government) crossing the line as they did with cointelpro back in the '60's. http://jhaines6.wordpress.com/2011/10/10/the-military-industrial-complex-2-0/
5 jablome 2013-09-04
Let's see . .you have a 2 year old account with only 2 submissions and hardly any comments but lots of karma points on each.
Why do you delete everything you post?
I checked your cached account history and it seems like the only things you've ever posted were just questions to reddit.
Are you hired to conduct surveys?
2 [deleted] 2013-09-04
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2 FromFarFarAway 2013-09-04
Since the gov't monitors every citizen in the US and many, many things on the Internet, it is not "paranoia".
It's simply caution and/or self-preservation.
4 danxmason 2013-09-04
Proven.
http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1fam9n/in_case_you_have_forgotten_the_us_government_uses/
edit: what a coincidence, down votes!
3 [deleted] 2013-09-04
Lol, you must be new.
3 [deleted] 2013-09-04
Of course they are, just like the Israel lobby, Chinese and others.
Oh, and the NSA...
3 deaner88 2013-09-04
Yes I'm in the Navy and I'm watching all of you. Post carefully....
0 [deleted] 2013-09-04
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-4 deaner88 2013-09-04
I don't know if you know this, but though I am in the military I'm not spying and I don't know where your getting your ideas, but they are kind of....out there.
3 [deleted] 2013-09-04
yes
3 [deleted] 2013-09-04
I think the military is the most "awake" demographic
2 [deleted] 2013-09-04
Constantly!
2 DigitalKing713 2013-09-04
Yes and it's worse than that.
2 Pocketanarchist 2013-09-04
It's not only possible
2 Superconducter 2013-09-04
Here's an Air force request for software that will tell you exactly what you need to know.
For those who haven't seen it.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/51066167/Online-Persona-Management
2 DrkVenom 2013-09-04
Not only is it possible, but probable. Of course, we already knew that because of where we are.
2 verminform 2013-09-04
Yes. Sockpuppets and astroturfing.
2 Demosthenes117 2013-09-04
To give you a straight answer yes I do. With a government so eager to keep it's population dumbed down and uninformed, I have no doubts that there are spooks around these parts.
2 Mookind 2013-09-04
Most of the time the fear of censorship is way overblown in this subbreddit. It is the wild age of the internet censorship doesn't work if the consumer wants information he/she will find it. Or the 5 threads on RP he where got "cut off" after a 7 minute segment that was probably about to end. Fucking pointless
But that being said, yes it is more than possible it's likely reddit is being manipulated by all sorts of goverment institutions manipulating these forums. Reddit is now a massive site and we know there are contracts for "shills" who go around fucking with popular media sources. In reddit they have all sorts of things to manipulate and you will hear some crazy conspiracies. Just don't rely 100% on reddit for your world events
2 un1ty 2013-09-04
Highly likely - not sure if military or military contractors.
There was an article about Facebook and how they use an application that can control a hundred 'users' with one log in. Think that doesn't go for the rest of ANY social networking site, reddit included?
2 ImTomBrady 2013-09-04
I had it happen to me..
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3 HeLMeT_Ne 2013-09-04
Where did all your posts and comments go? You have some karma but your profile doesn't show more than one day of stuff. Let me guess: sometimes when you get drunk you erase all of your old posts.
2 [deleted] 2013-09-04
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2 HeLMeT_Ne 2013-09-04
It made a lot more sense before the comment above was deleted.
1 [deleted] 2013-09-04
You act like any of this matters. We don't have any effect on our government like AIPAC does. Recent news
1 icollectdubstep 2013-09-04
We're here but some of us are upvoting the sh*t outta this sub
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3 poppajay 2013-09-04
I imagine that up until Snowden's revelations, you would also have 'safely said that the GCHQ is not spying on it's own people'.
The OP clearly doesn't mean the rank and file but a more coordinated insidious operation.
-2 slynchdawg 2013-09-04
That goes around down voting topics on Reddit? Please.
3 poppajay 2013-09-04
Do you really think that the military/industrial/political complex does not invest a huge amount of time, money and effort to manipulate public opinion?
0 slynchdawg 2013-09-04
Yeah I do. But I don't think they down vote Reddit posts to achieve that.
1 softjeans 2013-09-04
haha now thats a conspiracy.
1 MarcoAcheron 2013-09-04
You mean how like every day reddit users downvote links they don't like? The horror! Conspiracy!!!! There's way more regular people users than members of the military. Esp considering the anti-war circle jerk community that this site consists of.
1 KingBasten 2013-09-04
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2 MarcoAcheron 2013-09-04
I'm just trying to find the distinction between a group of people who supposedly target subreddits and down vote them (the military in this sense) and people who come up one here and down vote someone because they have an unpopular opinion(circle-jerk crew.) Which do you think actually happens more often?
3 KingBasten 2013-09-04
Eh, that's actually a good point. For what it's worth, if you had made it clear that you were referring to that kind of posters rather than just normal users who downvote stuff they don't like, I wouldn't have taken issue with it. In hindsight I think I may have been the one to respond prematurely.
I think the distinction is first in the aim: what the OP theorizes is the idea of people downvoting comments in an organised manner, so as to promote a certain political point of view. I think circle jerks mostly act out of hubris. Second, i think the distinction is in the intention. A circle jerk feels angered or annoyed and wants to get back at the person who made the comment. The organisation OP speaks of isn't really personal; rather it seeks to eradicate resistance on a scale greater than interpersonality.
There's probably more to it, but I guess the end result ends up being the same - posts getting downvoted for the wrong reasons. So again, I think your point is valid. I removed my earlier post.
1 MarcoAcheron 2013-09-04
You presented a good argument. Most of my initial reactions to stuff like this are off the cuff. I should have been a bit more clear. While I'm not saying that it's impossible for the military to do something like that, I think it's not as likely.
0 cccpcharm 2013-09-04
ya rusty, I remember my first beer
-1 Xoth_Bnug 2013-09-04
That's kind of how reddit works, you downvote ideas you don't like.
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2 Xoth_Bnug 2013-09-04
You're right. That's bullshit, and I was fucking with you because I'm a jaded asshole who is fully aware of the idea you're trying to get across, but with no idea of how to combat it. I see logical comments downvoted, and boilerplate FOX newscaster responses mass-upvoted. It almost makes more sense to read the lowest rated comments first if the idea is to rate them on truthiness. For now I'm grateful that the comments are shown at all.
-2 [deleted] 2013-09-04
par·a·noi·a ˌparəˈnoiə/ noun 1. a mental condition characterized by delusions of persecution, unwarranted jealousy, or exaggerated self-importance, typically elaborated into an organized system. It may be an aspect of chronic personality disorder, of drug abuse, or of a serious condition such as schizophrenia in which the person loses touch with reality.
2 Xoth_Bnug 2013-09-04
You're right. That's bullshit, and I was fucking with you because I'm a jaded asshole who is fully aware of the idea you're trying to get across, but with no idea of how to combat it. I see logical comments downvoted, and boilerplate FOX newscaster responses mass-upvoted. It almost makes more sense to read the lowest rated comments first if the idea is to rate them on truthiness. For now I'm grateful that the comments are shown at all.