Psych is imperfect because of morals. If we could do experiments with someone's life, then psych would be far more advanced. But, yeah, we aint nazis.

Oh man. Violence IS a part of human nature. Denying that makes for a lot of stupid people, stupid decisions and stupid handwringing over how to "fix" it.

"Fixing" it requires severe indoctrination, high levels of contol of individuals and groupthink. Not very appealing. I'll take the violence thank you.

Men OR Women IN power or DESIRING Power. You have to finish the thought. Define power. I would use violence on a deer so I can Over-Power it and eat it. Do those in power control people by other means?

Is violence Always bad? Are other forms of force, coercion, exertion of power harmful? Are those other forms as bad as violence or are they ok somehow?

While we are taught from a relatively young age that violence is part of the human condition, I want you to know that it clearly is not.

I would say that this is in all likelihood more correct than not.

If you are struggling with mental illness, or violent thoughts, in any way then I strongly urge you to seek private, professional help.

I would say that this is not entirely necessary at all for many. The professional establishment in this society is controlled by powers not interested in bettering the society in the first place. They are, after all, the same powers that have convinced you and all of us that the human condition is one bourn of violence - a perspective you yourself understand is exceedingly flawed. Sometimes professional help is not a bad thing. Sometimes it's more of a detriment than anything, however.

I'm pretty sure you'd be forcibly medicated just for saying that ;)

I'd likely get that kind of reaction to a lot of things I've said and felt if anybody were really paying attention to anything I said. Since nobody really is, however, I don't think I have much to worry about. Regardless, however, even if people were paying attention and they were interested in "medicating" me for saying certain things, it wouldn't stop me from saying what I feel, and they'd have a REAL hard time accomplishing their goal.

The first step is to make you do it yourself. Then they do it themselves. Plus the latest DSM pretty much classifies any thought or emotion as a medicateable infraction so there's pretty much no point in going to a shrink anymore.

The first step is to make you do it yourself.

Well, aside from whatever Monsanto chemicals might be/are swimming around in the food I eat I don't do any of that stuff myself.

Then they do it themselves.

Yeah. Again, I try to watch what I put in my body. I understand tptb make it such that we might take in a lot of stuff that we might not be aware of, but I otherwise try to remain focused and clean.

Then they do it themselves. Plus the latest DSM pretty much classifies any thought or emotion as a medicateable infraction so there's pretty much no point in going to a shrink anymore.

What is DSM? Either way, I wouldn't disagree that going to a shrink is more detriment than benefit...at least going to a Western shrink anyway.

first step: You voluntary do it, or else.

Second step: You do it involuntarily, by force. Think straps and needles. <------ELSE^Edit

Google DSM V, I think is what they're on. It's the psyche handbook of what is what and maybe also the "treatment." I'll have to look it up myself on the second part.

Happy hunting.

Edit: I don't know why I went with a Battlestar Galactica reference.

first step: You voluntary do it, or else.

1) Voluntarily do what?

2) Or else what?

Google DSM V, I think is what they're on.

Not at my own computer right now. Will Google when I get in. You can't give me a quick definition of what it is?

1 and 2: Forced medicating. End of it.

DSM: Already did. Done with that, too.

Anymore hypothetical worst-case scenarios and understanding of the psychiatric and psychological standards and practices can heretofore be researched and understood on your own or with anyone else who would like to pick up the subjects.

At the end of the day, all this was a response to your saying this:

I'm pretty sure you'd be forcibly medicated just for saying that

"that" being my saying this:

The professional establishment in this society is controlled by powers not interested in bettering the society in the first place. They are, after all, the same powers that have convinced you and all of us that the human condition is one bourn of violence - a perspective you yourself understand is exceedingly flawed. Sometimes professional help is not a bad thing. Sometimes it's more of a detriment than anything, however.

End of the day, I stand behind that statement 100% regardless of who thinks what about it.

I'm done with that as well.

Peace to you. No harm, no foul.

Peeeeeeace

I guess the main reason I recommended it is because most of these professionals are very good at talking people off of the perspective ledge.

Unfortunately, Western medicine and techniques tend to talk you from one ledge (psychological)...and onto another (medicated) one that's just as bad if not worse.

I would certainly not take any meds they prescribed as someone else pointed out, unless you have an issue verified without disclosure by multiple doctors.

Medication is not a bad or horrible thing in itself. Not at all. However - and again - the manner in which much of the West seems to prescribe it seems to do more harm than good by virtue of its focusing more on the effect than the cause of various ailments. As a result, it often legitimately cures very, very little.

If you are struggling with mental illness, or violent thoughts, in any way then I strongly urge you to seek private, professional help.

I would advise seeing people who won't put you on psychiatric medication.

What has violence ever accomplished? What has it ever created? No martyr's cause has ever been stilled by an assassin's bullet. ... No wrongs have ever been righted by riots and civil disorders. A sniper is only a coward, not a hero; and an uncontrolled, uncontrollable mob is only the voice of madness, not the voice of reason. ... Whenever any American's life is taken by another American unnecessarily - whether it is done in the name of the law or in the defiance of the law, by one man or a gang, in cold blood or in passion, in an attack of violence or in response to violence - whenever we tear at the fabric of the life which another man has painfully and clumsily woven for himself and his children, the whole nation is degraded. -- Robert F. Kennedy

Quoting Icke (quoting someone else) is what's going to kill this for you.

Next time just quote Einstein.

the words stand true nonetheless in my opinion, big bird could have said it for all I care

OMG that'd be awesome. The Count says One victim! Ah ah ah! TWOOOOO victims! Ah ah ah! And Snuffleufugus has a graduation cap and a wood pointer in his trunk breaking it down on a white board that's pushed in by Elmo! YAAAAAAAAY!!!!!

I don't think using tools, such as quotes, in order to deliver a message necessarily results in failure. The message is the same regardless of the source. If it bothers you just use your imagination to replace the speaker with Bart Simpson or whoever shivers your shanty.

Who said it was a failure? I'm just talking about in this subreddit. I've watched a bit of Icke with a mountain salt. I've also watched an awesome video debunking him as a person. It's whatever.

Comments about David Icke are unwelcome in /r/conspiracy.

Do not feed the trolls

I guess the main reason I recommended it is because most of these professionals are very good at talking people off of the perspective ledge.

Unfortunately, Western medicine and techniques tend to talk you from one ledge (psychological)...and onto another (medicated) one that's just as bad if not worse.

I would certainly not take any meds they prescribed as someone else pointed out, unless you have an issue verified without disclosure by multiple doctors.

Medication is not a bad or horrible thing in itself. Not at all. However - and again - the manner in which much of the West seems to prescribe it seems to do more harm than good by virtue of its focusing more on the effect than the cause of various ailments. As a result, it often legitimately cures very, very little.