I've watched every single one of Charles Manson's interviews, and it's pretty mind blowing....
2 2013-09-21 by Okmanl
Manson claims that the swastika on his forehead represents his fathers dying in WW2 for his rights, which were denied to him in the courtroom. During his trial, Manson could not call one witness, and when it came time to defend himself, the judge dismissed the entire jury so that they couldn't hear his testimony (which turns out to be true).
Furthermore he denies the entire Helter Skelter theory. According to him, the media perpetuated this myth to make him appear insane. He claims that his cause has always been for the environment and against corporations taking over America and in all of his interviews, he never claims that he was trying to start a race war.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxUw1jp1EZI
This is the interview that convinced me that Manson isn't as insane as he's made out to be. Although during this period he has been locked up in solitary for 10+ years and was forced medication, he still seems pretty coherent and mentally stable. Finally he says he never ordered the killings and that his cause has always been for the environment and against wall-street.
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51 munkr2 2013-09-21
Manson worked collecting children for a pedo ring and was involved Ilin satanic rituals as well as being well know in Hollywood circles. He was a piece of shit.
35 JuicyStalin 2013-09-21
Ironically /r/conspiracy blasts politicians and "the elite" for being pedophiles, murderers, and psychopath satanists but embraces people that are admitted pedophiles, murderers, and psychopath satanists.
0 joe123456 2013-09-21
That's a mighty big brush ya got there.
-6 ronintetsuro 2013-09-21
Seems to be made of purchased upvotes too.
1 tehreal 2013-09-21
You are stupid. Work on it.
-1 ronintetsuro 2013-09-21
Ahhh, I remember the first time I had an opinion about someone I didn't know at all...
7 JuicyStalin 2013-09-21
Was it this time?
-1 [deleted] 2013-09-21
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2 JuicyStalin 2013-09-21
When you're at the point when in defense of your sub you have to say 'Who are you talking about besides Charles Manson' in regards to heroes, maybe you need to step back and reevaluate the steps you took to get there.
-2 Jeffreyrock 2013-09-21
Dunno...George H.W Bush maybe.
-2 yellowsnow2 2013-09-21
An anti r/conspiracy post by someone who frequents r/conspiratard gets all these upvotes?? Weird..... I for one do not embrace admitted pedophiles, murderers, and psychopath satanists.
6 JuicyStalin 2013-09-21
First of all I subscribe to this sub as well, and in general try to reasonably debate the people on here, but come on, even you have to admit this thread is laughably ludicrous.
1 yellowsnow2 2013-09-21
All I see is you trying to create a false stereotype about the community of r/conspiracy. Yes we always question the official narrative, but how does that mean we embrace anything. With understanding you will find that most of r/conspiracy does not "embrace" any one perspective out of habit. Once you can analyze all the spectrum of perspectives on a subject, then you can find the real truth from the full picture. The ability to entertain a perspective without committing to it is a vital part of critical thinking.
3 JuicyStalin 2013-09-21
“Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.”
-2 yellowsnow2 2013-09-21
"The illusion is only surface deep"
5 JuicyStalin 2013-09-21
"I have to return some video tapes"
1 Valimar77 2013-09-21
Hegelian dialectic
-3 petedacook 2013-09-21
The thread does not represent the collective hivemind of /r/conspiracy as you have proposed. I sub here as well and I am a conspiracy theorist and this is the first post I have seen about manson in 4 years.
You are being a troll and a jackass. Go back to conspiratard and stop looking for material to post for karma.
4 JuicyStalin 2013-09-21
http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/search?q=charles+manson&restrict_sr=on
You're a fucking liar.
edit: Notice how in all those threads the consensus seems to be that Charles Manson was either a victim, a patsy, or a genius to be admired.
In fact, this is the only thread where he is loudly denounced and people are ridiculing the poster and you are saying we are all /r/conspiratard trolls, so yes, the collective hivemind of /r/conspiracy seems to swing towards the positive for manson.
2 petedacook 2013-09-21
And you are a fucking dumb ass. You linked your search for Manson to 10 results representing the entire history of /r/conspiracy regarding Manson.
10 Manson posts in the history of /r/conspiracy with
And despite the evidence you posted, you take a giant leap in logic to conclude R/conspiracy loves charles Manson and proclaim "this is the only thread where he is loudly denounced?"
Go back to R/conspiratard. You're stupid.
1 JuicyStalin 2013-09-21
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
I believe I said this: yes, the collective hivemind of /r/conspiracy seems to swing towards the positive for manson.
All the available evidence shows that when the topic is brought up people tend to respond positively, and if they do feel negatively don't feel strongly enough to post about it, so the consensus on Charles Manson in this subreddit is positive unless you can provide evidence to the contrary?
Pretty much your rebuttal which you had to sleep on to come up with was "NO BUT YOU'RE STUPID!!! FUCK YOU!!!" Come on now.
2 petedacook 2013-09-21
NO, dip shit. Your own evidence shows that in over 4 years, there has been 10 posts about Manson with 70% of those receiving less than 20 votes.
You're stupid.
0 Jeffreyrock 2013-09-21
Maybe it's no coincidence that most of the mods at r/conspiratard have been booted or suspended from reddit for vote rigging at one point or another.
-4 Jeffreyrock 2013-09-21
Actually what one user posts should not be taken as the representative view of the whole sub. This place is not a hive of groupthink like r/conspiratard.
12 Mabans 2013-09-21
Oooh where's my ice for this burn. The irony.
-3 Jeffreyrock 2013-09-21
It's not irony-- there is a great diversity of opinion here, but there if you question the orthodoxy they fling poo at you.
6 Mabans 2013-09-21
Sure that's the way. We just throw poo at you, their called facts, reality and evidence friend but it's ok.
-3 Jeffreyrock 2013-09-21
On the few occasions I've been there I've yet to see anything resembling an open-minded intelligent discussion involving facts or evidence-- it's mostly small minded clowns who jeer at people who dare present facts or evidence that contradict accepted ideas or accounts of events. The real irony is that the people there think that they're the ones who are able to think clearly and independently. Here you find intelligent discussion and varying opinions of different events, there you get mocked for not falling in line with the group.
4 JuicyStalin 2013-09-21
I imagine you as the kind of guy who went to school in a "You laugh at me because I'm different, I laugh at you because you're all the same" t-shirt from Hot Topic.
-1 Jeffreyrock 2013-09-21
I've never been that dramatic.
4 varukasalt 2013-09-21
You're fucking hilarious. Ever think of taking that act on the road?
0 Jeffreyrock 2013-09-21
The fact that you think what I said there is hilarious is far more hilarious than what I said...so maybe you should be the one on the road.
6 varukasalt 2013-09-21
Really? Rubber/glue is the best you got? Sigh. This shit just isn't entertaining anymore. :(
-2 Jeffreyrock 2013-09-21
I'm not trying to be entertaining-- I'm just making observations.
3 explicittv 2013-09-21
Source? I have read around 6 books about Manson and never heard about satanic rituals. I concur that he was a p.o.s
-4 munkr2 2013-09-21
He belonged to The Ordo Tempi Orientis which gets its tenets from one Mr. Crowley. He also worked at the infamous boys town where the Franklin cover up took place. But maybe that was just a coincidence. Just Google them. Connect the dots brother.
5 explicittv 2013-09-21
Is there any evidence of collecting children? I knew about the groups, he was involved with scientology at one point but collecting children seems like a stretch.
1 [deleted] 2013-09-21
he did indeed.. wasn't recognized for a long time and was used as a pr stunt.. people cringed.
-7 no1113 2013-09-21
So basically he was doing exactly what the top .001% of the elite on this planet do. Yet he's the piece of shit? Okay.
Not excusing anything he's done, but perhaps people should really understand who and what they in fact should really be looking at.
2 munkr2 2013-09-21
Just because I recognize the shittyness of one person doesn't mean I overlook the shittyness of others. This thread is about Manson. And by the way who do you think he worked for delivering children? The 99%?
-3 no1113 2013-09-21
Your initial statement gives no indication that you are to any extent aware of that influencing element that exists outside of people like Manson and that have been shown to be as manipulative of others as they are immensely powerful.
And, as a result, also about those influences that he was also a part of - influences that, as I said above, have shown themselves to be ubiquitous in their power and manipulation.
You obviously have no understanding of things related to those realities detailed in docs like "The Franklin Scandal".
32 snugglebandit 2013-09-21
I wouldn't base your opinion on Charlie from a few interviews. He clearly has the ability to charm. If he didn't then he never would have been so successful at getting together the group he did. Like many psychopaths he is very good at manipulation and even in prison has a sense of what might appeal to a certain listener. Do more "research" if you want to know what the real Manson was like. He was a predator and a psychopath, cunning, shrewd and talented but extremely dangerous.
2 Okmanl 2013-09-21
Agreed, here is the earliest Charles Manson interview where he was most sane and at his prime charismatically. He made such a fool out of his interviewer that he lost his job at the Tomorrow Show
www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0BFZiKe4i0
4 wharpudding 2013-09-21
The interview was in 1981, the show ended in 1982 when they changed formats.
"When not grilling guests, Snyder would often joke around with offstage crewmen, often breaking out in the distinctively hearty laugh that was the basis of Dan Aykroyd's impersonation of Snyder on Saturday Night Live (12 occasions, 1976–1979 and 1995).[5] Following a disastrous experiment with turning Tomorrow into a more typical talk show—renaming it Tomorrow Coast to Coast and adding a live audience and co-host Rona Barrett (all of which Snyder resented)—the show was canceled in 1982 to make way for the up-and-coming young comedian David Letterman."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Snyder
2 Giggidy420 2013-09-21
See that's what I don't get. What's he trying to influence here? Dont get me wrong, the mans fucked up, but what he's talking about seems based on a different scale of reality than what we see it as. It's throwing himself under the bus but through that he seems completely fine with it
2 snugglebandit 2013-09-21
Yowza, holy 2 month old comment Batman!
I don't think that normal people can properly understand the motives of a psychopath. What gives them a thrill seems to be the act of manipulation or control of another person. If he can get one person to buy into his bullshit, in his mind anyhow, he's winning.
1 Giggidy420 2013-09-21
Haha, sorry about the timing. I just feel like he's not trying to manipulate or pull anything here. He seems like he's truly talking from his mind and it doesn't really serve a purpose of manipulation anymore than he's just ranting.
-3 reputable_opinion 2013-09-21
by research do you mean read the book or watch the movie? /s
4 destraht 2013-09-21
Whatever you do certainly don't base your understanding of the man based upon his actual interaction.
-1 reputable_opinion 2013-09-21
I base some of my understanding of him on his recorded music.
2 destraht 2013-09-21
That is also out of bounds. You can only base your understandings on the slow motion face shots of Manson on a bad day.
21 CompactusDiskus 2013-09-21
Considering he was arrested for it, and fled the country for decades to avoid prosecution, all of which was highly publicized, I'd say the media did a shitty job of covering this up. You added "which also turns out to be true" as though people were seriously doubting this happened, and as though it wasn't enormous news at the time.
Has it occurred to you that when your only source is what Manson claims, perhaps it's best to take what he says with an enormous pillar of salt? I mean, the guy has plenty of reason to lie through his teeth.
12 JuicyStalin 2013-09-21
sshhhhh the poor submitter probably doesn't even know who Roman Polanski is.
12 varukasalt 2013-09-21
Apparently, he doesn't understand who Charles Manson is either.
16 Trax123 2013-09-21
Helter Skelter was made up? Are you serious? Have you never watched an interview with any other Manson Family members? Linda Kasabian, Squeaky Fromme, Susan Atkins, Tex Watson, Patricia Krenwinkle. Look them up and listen to what they have to say.
Charlie was a goddamn maniac. He attacked the judge in open court during his trial.
15 rockpainter 2013-09-21
One born every day...
12 archonemis 2013-09-21
Manson was a psychotic psychopath.
He's incapable of believing in things.
Listening to him is a total waste of time outside of study as a subject.
12 varukasalt 2013-09-21
Ever been conned by a con man? Well, you have now.
11 6F6A9O9 2013-09-21
You should watch them again.
9 [deleted] 2013-09-21
Classic Charlie
9 Hanginon 2013-09-21
It's called "Jailhouse bullshit".
8 Maxwyfe 2013-09-21
Polanski's arrest was in 1977. Long after Helter Skelter.
5 HoogaChakka 2013-09-21
Um this is utter bullshit. I've seen plenty of interview video and parole hearing video where he admits doing all of this and then some. But hey you believe whatever you want. He is fun to listen to though.
3 Toolosba 2013-09-21
I think the swatsika first represented an X for him being an outcast....then upon being jailed he was forced by the nazis to make it into a swastika.
-6 toneii 2013-09-21
He's a hobo and a jug of wine
-18 productionx 2013-09-21
You nailed it
12 varukasalt 2013-09-21
Apparently, he doesn't understand who Charles Manson is either.
7 JuicyStalin 2013-09-21
Was it this time?