This! It's so much deeper than just that too. We can't even explain the amount of details involved with everything they've lied about to control us.

So much deeper.

I agree with you OP, however the real elite are not the politicians and administration - those are just puppets. The true ruling party is a shadow government operating in the same way a secret society does, with degrees of separation.

Overthrowing the government would not remove the shadow government, who would infiltrate any revolutionary movement that grew big enough to be a threat anyway, so that they would control any new government that replaced the current one.

Play every side at once, so that no matter who wins, you win. Here is an interesting video on the subject

The true ruling party is a shadow government

I believe this to be true. The Khazarian conspiracy makes sense.

The true puppet masters aren't even human.

I have played with that perception, but just can't get on board. I see it as a small few hold the secrets of thousands of years of scientific advancement in all areas. Once society got to advanced they lost control, so they trigger wars to knock society back to the stone/dark age. Then erase history, keeping themselves super advanced while everyone else is figuring the same stuff out over again from scratch. With guidance they control the advancement. And that is why certain scientific things are off limits if a scientist wants to keep his career. Like curing illness, free energy, antigravity, microwave mind control....

Lizards?

Except for all the billionaires like Steve Jobs, Larry Page, Bill Gates, and Elon Musk among others who generated their wealth through tenacity, ambition, and hard work. In regards to wealthy families, someone had to earn that wealth e.g. Andrew Carnegie was an incredible businessman. But then what excuse would we have for why we are wherever we are in our lives.

Wow thank you brother for starting up a conversation the likes of which should be had daily on this forum.

I don't see why so many brothers posting here are averted to the idea that we are slaves. In fact, knowing that I'm a slave makes me extremely excited, because having realized my chains I'm now in the process of breaking them.

I also don't know how so many brothers posting here consider our possession of ultimately useless toys created by distant techno-gods such as TVs, video games, etc. marks a high standard of free living. To my eyes, that shows more honest contemplation of the human condition must be taken up. Your 'standards' keep you locked in a frame.

The fact is my dear brothers we are all slaves of some sort. Whether it's to debt, to drugs, to TV, to the internet, to whatever, all of us are fallible and can easily be swayed, manipulated, programmed what have you by the slightest pressure point. Why do you think having a voluptuous 2D woman staring at you from a billboard is such a timeless way of getting someone to do something suggested to them? These pressure points stem from realms of unenlightened impulse within our own psyche.

If you become defensive or agitated when someone calls your attention to your slavery, YOU ARE A SLAVE. A real free human is aware of themselves. A real free human would not argue with the man who calls him a slave, because a real free human would take that as a blessed reminder to further understand the nature of freedom, and to have gratitude for that.

See my brothers, we are all locked up in the hull of a sinking ship. The storm of our lives is upon us. If some of you want to debate the finer intellectual qualities of what it means to be a slave while you're locked up naked in the dark of a sinking ship, you have your free will. Nonetheless, I want to work with those brothers who simply hate chains, who can smell the beautiful ocean salt from the cracks in the woods, and who remember they know how to swim.

ITS NOT THE 1%

ITS THE 0.00001%

The 99% works purely for the benefit of the 1%. It has always been that way, and it always will be...unless we we realize this truth. And that's the truth that the 1% so desperately wants us to prevent us from realizing. The 99% is a lot of fucking people, and they can easily overwhelm, through sheer physical force, the tiny elite 1%

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what the hell...

Good post. Also consider, if we are this ignorant about US politics, think how little we really know about the rest of the world.

Yes, the Us and Them mentality has got to go. We're slowly waking up...

yep

Coffee and alcohol tonight right? Just sayin' because I do it too sometimes.

Alan Watt has some interesting things to say about this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8j2uC2N8VI&feature=c4-overview&list=UUU1ROL6umJguuLjXwZQ_zNA

I agree with the sentiment, but I think some things may be exaggerated. The battle is not over, the battle is being fought. There are always issues with entropy, where things break down, different moving parts, people and economies and things are volatile. It's like running a business, but how many business continue to grow and grow for decades and decades? They get stagnant, resources and power shift, etc. Also, there are always different competitors. There are other factions in the world that want total power--there are continual entities, people, and allegiances to be bought and paid for.

But, I believe you are right in the sense that we have hit critical mass, and enough power and resources have been combined such that the puppets of public perception outnumber the innocents on the stage. At this point, we are probably too far gone without drastic effort and regular people uniting our forces which can outnumber and overwhelm the concentrated elitists.

They may use everything in their arsenal, but not everything is controlled like that: they didn't invent science and technology and the field of psychology--all of that was not their tools of creation. Of course they pervert it and use it against us.

On the point of Microsoft. What you see there, in the behavior of collusion and repressing competitors--that is just a sad side note of something that pretty much all business end up doing--which is a miserable thing to do of course--but it's because they stop innovating. You could say Microsoft died, and the remaining shell of the company simply exists to control their piece of the pie and fight off all competitors at all costs and stranglehold their customers in the process. Sadly every company pretty much switches to this philosophy once they get a piece of the pie.

And finally, the true globalists, elitists, world governors--we really don't know their names. We may know a few, the Bush family and associates, but we don't know most of them by name.

So how do we rebel?

Uhhh...Where have you been?

I feel the sudden urge to watch "A Bugs Life" after reading that.

Nothing Secret Anymore

That last point about workers striking in the factories, they went on strike because they were working 12-13 hour days in dangerous positions, often seeing (on average, if I remember correctly) one co worker die every day.

Nothing new. Study ancient cultures from all over the world. There is always a hierarchy in some shape or form. From the native Americans to the Polynesians and all over Asia. There is always the elite and worker class. SSDD

So, because this is the way it's always been done in the past, this is reason to maintain the status quo?

Offer an alternative...

How about cooperation, rather than exploitation?

Yes. I've always thought that the pioneers were looking to gather into like-minded groups. I mean, I could, I'd build an area for all the "rule makers" to live in, if they would promise not to "make rules" outside their circle/territory.

I know, idealistic rambling...

How? What ways? Explain fully rather then saying "cooperation" Get detailed and refine your argument please.

Go fuck yourself.

And learn proper grammer, you have the entire goddamned internet to help you along. It's "than", not "then", you waste of energy.

Woah, thanks for not answering the question. It seems you have a lot of hate in heart there guy. Thanks for the grammar corrections..

In primitive cultures yes, oh wait...

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They really haven't. Microsoft has hindered the progression of computing more than anything. Bastardizing standards, charging for what should be free, and knowingly releasing buggy/problematic software are just a few of the long list of things they have done to slow progression.

Not to mention suppressing Linux and any Creative Commons movements. You bastards!

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You misspelled "monopolize".

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"The government" did intervene, remember?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Corporation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_Microsoft_competition_case

You can't have a monopoly without government intervention.

I thought once a business is huge, it can force other players out of the market?

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Fair enough. Go ahead and pay for inferior software, I'll keep using superior open-source alternatives.

Bastardizing standards:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Microsoft

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish

http://www.email-standards.org/blog/entry/microsoft-to-ignore-web-standards/

http://www.daniweb.com/web-development/web-design-html-and-css/threads/271726/why-does-ie-ignore-web-standards

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/software-engineer/when-will-microsoft-fully-embrace-web-standards/

http://www.scconsult.com/bill/outrant.html

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P.S. I like how you didn't even try to deny the "knowingly releasing buggy/problematic software" statement.

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Because Apple is MORE expensive and they don't understand there's other options.

Why do people eat McDonald's? It's obviously trash, but they keep doing it. People make uninformed decisions all the time. Microsoft themselves use Solaris internally, why not their own product? I can argue with whatever I'd like.

Oh yeah, and how is that Windows 8 thing going? Market seems to really love that one, doesn't it?

I wish you didn't give your disclaimer. Please delete it so this can be taken seriously because... I'm not arguing.

Maybe you should just ditch your stigma instead.

Anything that starts off "okay guys... i'm pretty high right now...." loses face. I don't care if it's legel where OP is it's just useless info and discredits the idea as the raving on someone hopped up on something. You know what I mean.

Loses face with you maybe. Others, not so much. I don't care how he comes to realize the truth. And it's spelled "legal", not legel. Have you ever had an epiphany while drinking? And no, I don't know what you mean.

Typos hapen. ;)

Drinking and high are different terms, though "i'm drunk" really isn't any more credible.

That's fair to say.

Actually I would say that most of my realisations about life, the universe and everything else have been when I was high. Then I take those ideas and run them over/ research sober to see if I was right. I find that cannabis in my personal experience (and I have smoked for about 12 years on and off) is a very good bullshit detector and its only the stigma that alters your view. We need to rid the stigma in my opinion... but thats just my experience

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Because people who do not realize they are slaves, are far more productive than those who do.

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Simply because you will be a victim of violence if you refuse to follow the rules. Don't pay rent? Eventually someome will come remove you.with violence. Want to build a house in the woods? Same thing. Take crops growing in the ground to avoid starving? Same thing. The whole system from top to bottom is built on violence and the only way to oppose it in any meaningful way is to send it back up the heirarchy.

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Yes, but essentially. If you decide you're a slave (which you are) and you don't want to live as a slave any longer, it is nearly impossible to eventually not find yourself in a position to be a victim of violence. That was my point. We are all slaves. And we are all kept in line by the looming threat of violence.

The evidence is out there if you are willing to look, sadly most slaves would rather remain slaves and cling to the little wealth and freedom they have.

This is what I don't get. While you could label us as wage slaves. What else would you do if you didn't have to work?

I'm sure you would still want to work towards something in you life.

I'm sure you would still want to work towards something in you life.

Yes, for yourself and your community, not for a corrupt government, and for the benefit of multinational corporations.

People used to spend much time on providing food, clothing, shelter, heat for themselves. Enter the IRS and all that shit changed...

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they get wealth is exchange for labour. That's not slavery.

Except it is when the vast majority of people only get enough wealth from their labour to ensure they are able to continue to work for the one percents benefit - They are only given enough wealth for food, shelter, transport and some mindless entertainment.

This really isn't very different to ancient slavery. A slave was still provided food and shelter and the tools to carry out his work, the only difference is that today we have to buy all this ourselves with worthless monopoly money that the banks can print at will. It's an illusion to make us think we aren't slaves.

I suppose you would have made the same arguments back then to justify your own slavery as you are now - "but the boss gives me food! And shelter! It's mutually beneficial!"

Almost every single country, and government in the world is in debt to elite banking families. This debt is incurring interest at a far higher rate than it is being repaid. - Do you understand what this means? IT CAN NEVER BE REPAID.

Democracy is a sham. We are debt-slaves to a system we cannot change.

We're not free. We're free range. When you hit the invisible fence, then the farmhands come out to keep you in line- up to pre-emptive move to the slaughterhouse.

Because you say so? Ha...

Gap in U.S. unemployment rates between rich and poor continues to widen http://www.nj.com/business/index.ssf/2013/09/gaps_in_us_unemployment_rates.html

Rich-Poor Gap Widens to Most Since 1967 as Income Falls http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-12/u-s-poverty-rate-stays-at-almost-two-decade-high-income-falls.html

Income Gap Widens: Census Finds Record Gap Between Rich And Poor http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/28/income-gap-widens-census-_n_741386.html

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the gap between the rich and poor has come closer together

False

People's standards of living have risen dramatically in the past 100 years

True

not think that the Free-Market caused this

Hadn't suggested it did

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You're correct that this is not the cause of the free market. That's due to there not being a free market; it doesn't exist, never has and never will. Due to the incredible advantage that comes from being a gangster over the alternative, as soon as a market is established it is fettered for the advantage of one gangster over any other interest (fair or foul)- and this is how and why the State is inevitable, as it is merely gangsterism with the illusion of legitimacy.

Pay has remained the same since the 60's....

They really haven't. Microsoft has hindered the progression of computing more than anything. Bastardizing standards, charging for what should be free, and knowingly releasing buggy/problematic software are just a few of the long list of things they have done to slow progression.

How about cooperation, rather than exploitation?

You misspelled "monopolize".

Typos hapen. ;)

Drinking and high are different terms, though "i'm drunk" really isn't any more credible.