"If something henious get's widely upvoted than it actually serves to prove our point that conspiracy theories tend to lead to other ridiculous and harmful viewpoints."
I wouldn't be too impressed. Reddit is full of idiots.
Although the users themselves could simply remove the prefix and votegame away, using the prefix would be a goodwill gesture and show that the purpose of the subreddit isn't to screw with the votes in r/conspiracy. They didn't like this idea.
Don't you people go on /r/news and /r/worldnews and spread your message in other subreddits meanwhile downvoting anyone that disagrees with you? YOU DO! I'm sure it's not all of you but it's enough for me to say "WTF?". Too many of you are just butthurt because we get a laugh out of some of the "theories" you talk about or we disagree with you. It's the internet people...what'd you expect? Then again I'm sure I'll be called a government shill and whatever else justifies the crybaby mentality.
You're mother sounds like a piece of work, I can see why you'd need to vent. But can you see the difference between someone that sees conspiracies everywhere and someone that questions "official" narratives. Power does conspire in the interest self preservation, that's been true throughout history.
You'll be screened prior, but it is a better place in there. Just facts without the crap. Differing opinions aren't hated on or downvoted into oblivion.
the negative connotation of the words "conspiracy theory" that you hold is from years of conditioning. case in point: 19 hijackers with box cutter knives slamming planes into buildings is a conspiracy theory. You are merely criticizing others for not trusting the sources of information that you do.
Conspiracy Theorist critics don't hold that conspiracies in the literal sense don't exist. They're criticising people who authoritatively posit grand, implausible conspiracy theories that are either poorly evidenced or at odds with the best available evidence, and use poor arguments to skirt around the issue. Like accusing someone you disagree with of being conditioned rather than addressing their actual points, for example.
No. Building 7 structural steel, hidden behind fireproofing and drywall and insulation in offices was secretly wired with a cats cradle of detcord and explosives. WTC tower was carefully made to fall in a Goldilocks zone where it didn't crush the building and didn't miss the building but instead caused extensive damage and lit a fire. Somehow the fire and damage didn't damage the multiple shaped charges and hundreds of detcord lines to allow the controlled demolition to proceed.
In reality, the inability to see any side, even as a thought exercise can cross all boundaries. I know many pro USA people that hold hard and fast to their ideas as well.
we are all conditioned. All of us. It starts off with our parents and the TV. It is a simple fact that people shy away from. I am merely pointing out that you accept a viewpoint that is in line with what US society has told you. I don't know if it is because you are young, or you have attention issues or you simply have not experienced anything anathema to what is being repeatedly stated. But if you exist in an environment in which the opposite happens despite what officials are trying to convince you of (fyi the more something is repeated the more they want to believe it i.e. tort reform.), then you are going to be a "conspiracy theorist" . only arrogant shallow people assume that everybody thinks the same. and the only reason why you give a shit to argue with a conspiracy theorist is that you fear that your world view is incorrect. so what if someone thinks differently than you? are you that afraid that you have to engage in trying to control someones mind. are you that paranoid? because that is what you are doing. you think you are correct because the group agrees with you the descendants of slaves would like to have a word with you.
anyways, let it run its course. in the end its all an illusion and the conspiracy theorist will realize that long before you do.
Who cares? You get on /r/news and /r/worldnews and spread your theories which sometimes cause what would be a normal discussion turn into some crap about jooz or chemtrails. Practice what you preach and don't dictate how our subreddit should run. We don't dictate how yours should be run. Sounds like there's alot of butthurt here. GO r/conspiratard.
Conspiritard and Conspiracy have the same problem. There's a wide userbase of normal people interested in what's posted, and a minority of dickholes that fuck things up for everyone.
Posted my complaint, doubt anything will happen, I mean they got away with making fun of Rachel Corries death already. As far as I'm concerned the real admins of this website can go blow their brains out for all I care.
I dont see a problem with this, its part of the game. I hate the voting system, but you cant put weird only spoken rules on it. I think no downvote is the answer or if you downvote you have to comment. But thats talking about if it was done throughout reddit or subreddit. This is the first I have heard that there is some kind of acceptable voting vs non acceptable. If something is a problem it has to be dealt with by changing the formula, not by complaining and trying to ban users. I see no problem with someone voting across the board on an issue, isnt that what reddit is meant for. If some big news comes out why shouldnt aa user be able to go across all subreddits and vote up submissions that are on that topic?
Also if I remember correctly you have to subscribe to this subreddit to vote or comment, could there be some kind of thing were if a user is only downvoteing things they are banned from this subreddit?
Any reasonable person who takes a look at /r/conspiratard can understand that this subreddit is regularly trolled. If that subreddit didn't exist many of its users would simply become more regular participants here. They would not be as easy to detect. On reddit it simply isn't possible to suppress highly motivated trolls. In my opinion it's actually better to have explicit evidence that people actually exist with that mindset and level of dedication.
Possibly. But there's a loooot of censorship and shills on Reddit, and they know about it and they decide to not do anything about it. Sounds shady to me.
How about disabling downvotes and a zerotolerance modding policy? There are posters in here saying things about this sub and the people here that would never be allowed in 99% of other subs. And don't say its a free speech issue... Everyone here knows the official version of everything we discuss, we don't need micro-minded retards coming in here parroting CNN FOX etc and derailing the threads.
Then you are doing good work but where are the rest of the mods? Scumbags are getting away with it for too long. It is quicker to ban than to make a new sock.
It's incredibly easy to weild a heavy banhammer, and as a sub that encourages thinking outside the box I think it's a terrible idea to close up, like we're on the defensive...We're not....The kernel of truth that exists in our multitudes of assumption, question, consideration and contemplation isn't something to circumvent or stop.
I've no idea how to stop people laughing at us, but fuck them. If you are interested in conspiracy stuff, read a little deeper than what pops up on your frontpage, check the 3rd or 5th thing on the list....
Get /u/g0ldfish or whoever to create a bot that monitors when they link. Post a link to /r/conspiracy. Link to another sub i.e /r/theyinterfere (you may notice a pattern in there interference.) Encourage /r/conspiracy users to upvote those submissions and comment and vote in those /r/conspiratard threads. For that matter generally encourage to visit /r/conspiratard to interrupt their echo chamber.
comment and vote in those r/conspiratard threads. For that matter generally encourage to visit r/conspiratard to interrupt their echo chamber.
I completely disagree with that. For one thing, that's exactly what our complaint is about them. For another, giving that sub page hits only increases their visibility. And a third is that it's a sewer and you'll just get that crap all over you.
I've noticed its difficult to discuss fringe topics without sockpuppet accounts derailing the discussion into oblivion with ad hominem and strawman attacks. Especially on topics of geo-engineering/cloud seeding/chemtrails, these conspiracies rarely ever make it to the front page.
I suppose the one good thing about conspiratard is that it's a place where reddit's retarded group-think brain trust can gather and be made known. Kill the sub and they'll be out their lurking and hidden...like a nasty fart.
One of their prominent users has had 18 accounts banned since august 21st of this year, over 50 accounts banned total. This is the kind of trash they they are allowing to grow in /r/conspiratard.
Our opinions here at /r/conspiracy might not be popular, but we don't allow vote brigades to originate from here, I remove them personally.
What else can we do? Appeal to the admins is the only thing left.
I know, man, But do you really think this is a good idea?
Sure we get brigaded, sure this is probably one of the most actively manipulated subs on reddit (that aren't mega-subs) but stickying a complain button will do us no favours. We need, if we are going to cleanse the sub (which is ultimately a bit futile) to provide concrete data of evidence of those folks messing up and brigading.
Offering a button to any reactionary but well-intentioned person who posts here will only serve to make us look like a pain in the arse to the admins.
I think you should rethink this sticky, or at least offer a proxy sub/post where we can actually find concrete evidence of brigading before bringing it to the 'bosses'.
I mean, conspiracy is a broad subject, quite often I see stuff on here and think WTF this guy is either disinfo or deluded, and I'm sure people think the same of me when I post/reply....Admin dont need a hundred posts a day of our bickering....A conscientous effort to isolate and distill the people who are taking the piss is a good idea, but opening the floodgates will not do our collective rep one bit of good. Too much noise, not enough signal.
No of course, and without sounding poisonous about the folks who run this machine, they don't necessarily give a fuck about what goes into it, as long as it makes it run, right?
That said, I think that /r/conspiracy has a problem. Quite often some of the most enlightening, interesting and downright groundbreaking links/post I have seen, I've found through the new queue, whereas the top (or hot) posts are usually a shitty meme image or some other self-congratulary content that is neither informative, nor particularly interesting.
This frustrates me, but it's not on the mods nor the admins to fix this, it's on the users, to browse new and fill the comments with questions and correctly sourced answers to try and legitimise our ideas which many scoff at.
It's on us to be better than their assumptions of us. We need to be better than sourcing sideline blogs or spurious youtube videos. It's on us to be better than they assume us to be...
I am not advocating the death of those great self-posts with outlandish but plausible theories, or discussions thereof, but I wish all our top posts were full of indisputable, well-sourced, factual investigation. We can do it, and we should strive for it.
Downvote cheap memes, upvote interesting videos, post sources when replying in comments, don't just claim 'shill', prove they are wrong.
I agree with you about our users needing to take responsibility for our content.
But did you know that bipolarbear0 was posting antisemitic nonsense here and linking it to IIRC chats to be up voted. All of which I sent screen shots of to the admins and they did nothing. They didn't even respond to me.
Fair one, I mean, if he's a troublesome user why not employ automoderator for a psuedo-shadowban?
I think this sub is also in an awkward teenage phase, where it's on the 'frontpage' for enough users who rarely actually visit subs to upvote the top stuff whereas the lower content has a dearth of attention. I have no idea how to fix that, especially seeing as, the sorta thing you are alluding to, perhaps some of our members have an agenda which is kinda unhealthy and paints us all a certain way.
I'm not rubbishing your sticky idea btw man, and kudos for actually giving a fuck about this place. It's actually great to have that discourse with ya. And I have no answers, but let me know what I can do to help. :)
I would be happy if the admins told them not to link to /r/conspiracy any more.
They obviously can't control their users, and unlike SRD or SRS this hate group is aimed directly at us. Their hate is distributed across all of the default subs.
Who the fuck is downvoting this guy? Are you kidding me?
Oh.... it is probably the r/conspiritards people.
Let's do what Flytape says... it can't hurt to try. I'm thinking that the people who are arguing against him are trolling or trying to derail a good idea. Fuck them - Flytape is making some good sense.
Do you seriously think a sub that has 100x less people can manipulate r/conspiracy? It's ridiculous. Some people on this sub just think some of the stuff posted is fucking retarded.
R.E: The Admins/default mods: You know shit runs deeper than that.
Why is it that in /r/news every single snowden leak thus far hasn't reached the top from the original guardian link but from a businessinsider meta-report on the piece, obviously someone is getting paid for those pageviews. It's not fucking absurd to assume that it's not coincidence that every time a leak drops the pageviews from this here aggregate site goes via a proxy rather than the original article...
I'm not sure this is an admin thing, I'm not sure it's a paid thing, I'm not sure of anything.
It's a seperate issue from why this sub gets so much hassle.
I assume it's because conspiracies attract polar differences of opinion.
There's nothing that can be done to quell the vitriol of pissed off people, right or wrong. Our job is to teach or guide them to voice their views in a way which we can all appreciate, be they hardcore libertarians, UFOlogists, centrists, left-wingers, folks with a general sense of scepticism, zealots, anti-semitics, zionists or whatever.
Our insurmountable job is to unite all those dudes to face a common enemy, and I'm sure the truth is more complicated than that.
Still, there's ways and means man, I think you are doing most everything right.
First and possibly most important, linking to =/= vote brigading, if that were true you run an entire subreddit whose purpose is to vote brigade people, often by name, so you wouldn't have credibility on this issue.
While it's easy to go to another subreddit and link to it, the purpose of /r/conspiratard hardly seems to be to target /r/conspiracy specifically. I just went there and there are links to other subreddits including /r/trees and /r/whiterights.
And lastly, as a mod, you should know better as to point out 1 poorly behaved person that might be at a sub and use that against an entire sub.
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4 RiddiotsSurroundMe 2013-10-03
"If something henious get's widely upvoted than it actually serves to prove our point that conspiracy theories tend to lead to other ridiculous and harmful viewpoints."
I wouldn't be too impressed. Reddit is full of idiots.
5 imkharn 2013-10-03
I agree with everything you said save the internet points...these "internet points" determine the quality of content seen in hot and in threads.
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-2 preventDefault 2013-10-03
When I proposed the idea of using the np.* prefix when linking here, they didn't take to it too kindly: http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiratard/comments/1dbb7k/may_i_ask_you_guys_to_use_the_np_prefix_when/
Although the users themselves could simply remove the prefix and votegame away, using the prefix would be a goodwill gesture and show that the purpose of the subreddit isn't to screw with the votes in r/conspiracy. They didn't like this idea.
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-10 chemtrails666 2013-10-03
A r/conspiratard user that's not mature enough to discuss things without name calling. What a surprise.
How about we keep this discussion for the adults?
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-5 OWNtheNWO 2013-10-03
http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiratard/comments/1cxsuk/someone_posted_that_article_about_the_bombing/cbxryvo?context=3
Totally not tard bro.
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14 HoogaChakka 2013-10-03
Don't you people go on /r/news and /r/worldnews and spread your message in other subreddits meanwhile downvoting anyone that disagrees with you? YOU DO! I'm sure it's not all of you but it's enough for me to say "WTF?". Too many of you are just butthurt because we get a laugh out of some of the "theories" you talk about or we disagree with you. It's the internet people...what'd you expect? Then again I'm sure I'll be called a government shill and whatever else justifies the crybaby mentality.
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-1 WingedSandals 2013-10-03
You're mother sounds like a piece of work, I can see why you'd need to vent. But can you see the difference between someone that sees conspiracies everywhere and someone that questions "official" narratives. Power does conspire in the interest self preservation, that's been true throughout history.
-5 CowzGoesMooz 2013-10-03
Wow you have no idea do you?
/r/nolibswatch to find out more about the mods who created /r/conspiratard. That which isn't for "light entertainment".
13 englad 2013-10-03
This is an open subreddit, anyone can vote. If you want it private, make it private? shits not complicated.
12 Dysnomi 2013-10-03
I think we need an alternative to reddit.
-2 yuckypants 2013-10-03
There is a legit sub out there called /r/conspiracyv2.
It's private, troll and shill free. But needs more subscribers.
4 7h3dud3 2013-10-03
How would one subscribe?
1 yuckypants 2013-10-03
Send a message to the sub directly. You will also be screened based on prior activity in other related subs.
3 Dysnomi 2013-10-03
i dunno who the mods are to request an invite.
1 yuckypants 2013-10-03
Send a message directly to the sub. The mods all get that message by default.
They accept based on recommendations and activity on other forums: /r/Bad_Cop_No_Donut, /r/conspiracy, etc.
You'll be screened prior, but it is a better place in there. Just facts without the crap. Differing opinions aren't hated on or downvoted into oblivion.
-3 [deleted] 2013-10-03
agreed. But...
/pol/ is full of racist homophobes
GLP is full of racist homophobic christian fundamentalists
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Maybe so. But I've been a member of this subreddit since it began (4 years?) and I'm just a guy on the internet. I think a lot of us are like that.
2 RiddiotsSurroundMe 2013-10-03
the negative connotation of the words "conspiracy theory" that you hold is from years of conditioning. case in point: 19 hijackers with box cutter knives slamming planes into buildings is a conspiracy theory. You are merely criticizing others for not trusting the sources of information that you do.
2 [deleted] 2013-10-03
Conspiracy Theorist critics don't hold that conspiracies in the literal sense don't exist. They're criticising people who authoritatively posit grand, implausible conspiracy theories that are either poorly evidenced or at odds with the best available evidence, and use poor arguments to skirt around the issue. Like accusing someone you disagree with of being conditioned rather than addressing their actual points, for example.
Edit: Spelling.
1 bunabhucan 2013-10-03
No. Building 7 structural steel, hidden behind fireproofing and drywall and insulation in offices was secretly wired with a cats cradle of detcord and explosives. WTC tower was carefully made to fall in a Goldilocks zone where it didn't crush the building and didn't miss the building but instead caused extensive damage and lit a fire. Somehow the fire and damage didn't damage the multiple shaped charges and hundreds of detcord lines to allow the controlled demolition to proceed.
Oh, and the BBC knew but got the timing wrong.
How can you call that grand or implausible?
/poe
-1 psinet 2013-10-03
Source or STFU
1 RiddiotsSurroundMe 2013-10-03
In reality, the inability to see any side, even as a thought exercise can cross all boundaries. I know many pro USA people that hold hard and fast to their ideas as well.
we are all conditioned. All of us. It starts off with our parents and the TV. It is a simple fact that people shy away from. I am merely pointing out that you accept a viewpoint that is in line with what US society has told you. I don't know if it is because you are young, or you have attention issues or you simply have not experienced anything anathema to what is being repeatedly stated. But if you exist in an environment in which the opposite happens despite what officials are trying to convince you of (fyi the more something is repeated the more they want to believe it i.e. tort reform.), then you are going to be a "conspiracy theorist" . only arrogant shallow people assume that everybody thinks the same. and the only reason why you give a shit to argue with a conspiracy theorist is that you fear that your world view is incorrect. so what if someone thinks differently than you? are you that afraid that you have to engage in trying to control someones mind. are you that paranoid? because that is what you are doing. you think you are correct because the group agrees with you the descendants of slaves would like to have a word with you.
anyways, let it run its course. in the end its all an illusion and the conspiracy theorist will realize that long before you do.
-5 TheWiredWorld 2013-10-03
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/r/howtonotgiveafuck
recommended reading
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9 Reptilian_Jesus 2013-10-03
Who cares? You get on /r/news and /r/worldnews and spread your theories which sometimes cause what would be a normal discussion turn into some crap about jooz or chemtrails. Practice what you preach and don't dictate how our subreddit should run. We don't dictate how yours should be run. Sounds like there's alot of butthurt here. GO r/conspiratard.
5 ronintetsuro 2013-10-03
Conspiritard and Conspiracy have the same problem. There's a wide userbase of normal people interested in what's posted, and a minority of dickholes that fuck things up for everyone.
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Wow. My Comcast Internet sent that so fast that I had time to run out and buy bread sticks from my local Olive Garden.
Sent from my Verizon Galaxy S4 powered by Mossad
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2 psinet 2013-10-03
This. This. This is fucking hilarious. Tardtastic
1 remove_bagel 2013-10-03
Why do they still exist?
6 The_Cops 2013-10-03
Why not?
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because its pretty funny to look at the crazies of the crazies in /r/conspiracy
-14 redditeditard 2013-10-03
Because of small, unused penises.
11 subcarrier 2013-10-03
It's true. I mostly rub mine on objects around my house to mark my territory like some kind of weird hairless lemur.
1 dancesontrains 2013-10-03
Mine's so small it doesn't even exist :o
1 cancerbotX 2013-10-03
Posted my complaint, doubt anything will happen, I mean they got away with making fun of Rachel Corries death already. As far as I'm concerned the real admins of this website can go blow their brains out for all I care.
1 IhateourLives 2013-10-03
I dont see a problem with this, its part of the game. I hate the voting system, but you cant put weird only spoken rules on it. I think no downvote is the answer or if you downvote you have to comment. But thats talking about if it was done throughout reddit or subreddit. This is the first I have heard that there is some kind of acceptable voting vs non acceptable. If something is a problem it has to be dealt with by changing the formula, not by complaining and trying to ban users. I see no problem with someone voting across the board on an issue, isnt that what reddit is meant for. If some big news comes out why shouldnt aa user be able to go across all subreddits and vote up submissions that are on that topic?
Also if I remember correctly you have to subscribe to this subreddit to vote or comment, could there be some kind of thing were if a user is only downvoteing things they are banned from this subreddit?
1 yahoo_bot 2013-10-03
Banning them does work. You'd think they would create new accounts, but that is not the case.
I can assure you that by banning /r/conspiratard members, /r/EnoughPaulSpam and /r/EnoughLibertarianSpam you will get a lot more healthy and open discussions.
4 Synergythepariah 2013-10-03
Those don't go together.
1 Schlomodude 2013-10-03
Why is this an issue?
1 Jackski 2013-10-03
Surely the 160,000 more people that visit /r/conspiracy could counter-act this "downvote brigading"?
-1 treebright 2013-10-03
Any reasonable person who takes a look at /r/conspiratard can understand that this subreddit is regularly trolled. If that subreddit didn't exist many of its users would simply become more regular participants here. They would not be as easy to detect. On reddit it simply isn't possible to suppress highly motivated trolls. In my opinion it's actually better to have explicit evidence that people actually exist with that mindset and level of dedication.
1 Ryan2468 2013-10-03
Yep you don't want things to become an echochamber.
-2 minimis 2013-10-03
24 downvotes...looks like they already found this.
-12 Flytape 2013-10-03
Yes they've found this but the down votes haven't started as of yet.
Reddit automatically adds down votes as part of the fuzzing algorithm.
75% likes this is pretty normal.
1 Wilwheatonfan87 2013-10-03
This is true and needs to be pointed out more.
But I do find that "feature" to be a bit annoying.
-5 SovereignMan 2013-10-03
They've certainly brought in the downvote brigade for the comments.
10 eooxx 2013-10-03
You gotta admit...getting called out in a stickied post like this kinda makes it an open invitation.
-2 Aikawa_Kizuna 2013-10-03
With the level of corruption in the mods and possibly the admins, I highly doubt anything will be done about it.
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-1 Aikawa_Kizuna 2013-10-03
Possibly. But there's a loooot of censorship and shills on Reddit, and they know about it and they decide to not do anything about it. Sounds shady to me.
-4 [deleted] 2013-10-03
How about disabling downvotes and a zerotolerance modding policy? There are posters in here saying things about this sub and the people here that would never be allowed in 99% of other subs. And don't say its a free speech issue... Everyone here knows the official version of everything we discuss, we don't need micro-minded retards coming in here parroting CNN FOX etc and derailing the threads.
0 Flytape 2013-10-03
They already actively circumvent our CSS.
You can only disable down votes via CSS.
I ban about half a dozen loud mouthed name callers every day. They have an endless supply of puppets.
2 [deleted] 2013-10-03
Then you are doing good work but where are the rest of the mods? Scumbags are getting away with it for too long. It is quicker to ban than to make a new sock.
0 Letterbocks 2013-10-03
It's incredibly easy to weild a heavy banhammer, and as a sub that encourages thinking outside the box I think it's a terrible idea to close up, like we're on the defensive...We're not....The kernel of truth that exists in our multitudes of assumption, question, consideration and contemplation isn't something to circumvent or stop.
I've no idea how to stop people laughing at us, but fuck them. If you are interested in conspiracy stuff, read a little deeper than what pops up on your frontpage, check the 3rd or 5th thing on the list....
First they laugh at you etc.
-4 [deleted] 2013-10-03
Get /u/g0ldfish or whoever to create a bot that monitors when they link. Post a link to /r/conspiracy. Link to another sub i.e /r/theyinterfere (you may notice a pattern in there interference.) Encourage /r/conspiracy users to upvote those submissions and comment and vote in those /r/conspiratard threads. For that matter generally encourage to visit /r/conspiratard to interrupt their echo chamber.
Meta
2 SovereignMan 2013-10-03
I completely disagree with that. For one thing, that's exactly what our complaint is about them. For another, giving that sub page hits only increases their visibility. And a third is that it's a sewer and you'll just get that crap all over you.
1 Letterbocks 2013-10-03
Cunning plan, but also...
Be healthy about this shit man, "don't let the bastards grind you down", as my old dad would say.
-7 Geodisingenuity 2013-10-03
I've noticed its difficult to discuss fringe topics without sockpuppet accounts derailing the discussion into oblivion with ad hominem and strawman attacks. Especially on topics of geo-engineering/cloud seeding/chemtrails, these conspiracies rarely ever make it to the front page.
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3 _FallacyBot_ 2013-10-03
Strawman: Misrepresenting someones argument to make it easier to attack
Created at /r/RequestABot
If you dont like me, simply reply leave me alone fallacybot , youll never see me again
-2 Geodisingenuity 2013-10-03
Thank you Fallacybot , this is exactly what I'm talking about.
4 _FallacyBot_ 2013-10-03
Strawman: Misrepresenting someones argument to make it easier to attack
Created at /r/RequestABot
If you dont like me, simply reply leave me alone fallacybot , youll never see me again
-8 Jeffreyrock 2013-10-03
I suppose the one good thing about conspiratard is that it's a place where reddit's retarded group-think brain trust can gather and be made known. Kill the sub and they'll be out their lurking and hidden...like a nasty fart.
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-6 GrammerNazi_ 2013-10-03
You have horrible grammer and aren't as intelligent as you think you are. FTFY
1 Jackski 2013-10-03
Grammar*
-11 Flytape 2013-10-03
http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiratard/search?q=%2Fr%2Fconspiracy&sort=new&restrict_sr=on
Every day they obsess over our subreddit. I've seen as many as 14 links to our content in one day.
Why are they allowed to manipulate the vote here? Because it says not to in their sidebar? We all know that they do it anyway.
It also says not to troll in their sidebar, or to get involved in personal spats. But they do this daily and their mods seem to encourage it.
Why should "destructive" subreddits be allowed to exist?
/r/niggers was rightfully banned for raiding /r/blackladies, but that disgusting subreddit was allowed to exist until they crossed that line.
/r/conspiratard crosses that line every day, but the admins ignore it.
http://www.reddit.com/r/NolibsWatch/comments/1lvcnf/the_nolibs_banfest_of_2013/
One of their prominent users has had 18 accounts banned since august 21st of this year, over 50 accounts banned total. This is the kind of trash they they are allowing to grow in /r/conspiratard.
Our opinions here at /r/conspiracy might not be popular, but we don't allow vote brigades to originate from here, I remove them personally.
What else can we do? Appeal to the admins is the only thing left.
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-8 CowzGoesMooz 2013-10-03
Wow using sarcasm with racism. Why am I not surprise coming from people like you?
9 Letterbocks 2013-10-03
I know, man, But do you really think this is a good idea?
Sure we get brigaded, sure this is probably one of the most actively manipulated subs on reddit (that aren't mega-subs) but stickying a complain button will do us no favours. We need, if we are going to cleanse the sub (which is ultimately a bit futile) to provide concrete data of evidence of those folks messing up and brigading.
Offering a button to any reactionary but well-intentioned person who posts here will only serve to make us look like a pain in the arse to the admins.
I think you should rethink this sticky, or at least offer a proxy sub/post where we can actually find concrete evidence of brigading before bringing it to the 'bosses'.
I mean, conspiracy is a broad subject, quite often I see stuff on here and think WTF this guy is either disinfo or deluded, and I'm sure people think the same of me when I post/reply....Admin dont need a hundred posts a day of our bickering....A conscientous effort to isolate and distill the people who are taking the piss is a good idea, but opening the floodgates will not do our collective rep one bit of good. Too much noise, not enough signal.
just my 2p.
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11 Letterbocks 2013-10-03
No of course, and without sounding poisonous about the folks who run this machine, they don't necessarily give a fuck about what goes into it, as long as it makes it run, right?
That said, I think that /r/conspiracy has a problem. Quite often some of the most enlightening, interesting and downright groundbreaking links/post I have seen, I've found through the new queue, whereas the top (or hot) posts are usually a shitty meme image or some other self-congratulary content that is neither informative, nor particularly interesting.
This frustrates me, but it's not on the mods nor the admins to fix this, it's on the users, to browse new and fill the comments with questions and correctly sourced answers to try and legitimise our ideas which many scoff at.
It's on us to be better than their assumptions of us. We need to be better than sourcing sideline blogs or spurious youtube videos. It's on us to be better than they assume us to be...
I am not advocating the death of those great self-posts with outlandish but plausible theories, or discussions thereof, but I wish all our top posts were full of indisputable, well-sourced, factual investigation. We can do it, and we should strive for it.
Downvote cheap memes, upvote interesting videos, post sources when replying in comments, don't just claim 'shill', prove they are wrong.
It's on us to do better.
That's my request, take from it what you will. :)
All the best.
2 Flytape 2013-10-03
I agree with you about our users needing to take responsibility for our content.
But did you know that bipolarbear0 was posting antisemitic nonsense here and linking it to IIRC chats to be up voted. All of which I sent screen shots of to the admins and they did nothing. They didn't even respond to me.
Bipolarbear0 still exists and still games reddit.
Wonder why stupid shit hits our front page?
5 Letterbocks 2013-10-03
Fair one, I mean, if he's a troublesome user why not employ automoderator for a psuedo-shadowban?
I think this sub is also in an awkward teenage phase, where it's on the 'frontpage' for enough users who rarely actually visit subs to upvote the top stuff whereas the lower content has a dearth of attention. I have no idea how to fix that, especially seeing as, the sorta thing you are alluding to, perhaps some of our members have an agenda which is kinda unhealthy and paints us all a certain way.
I'm not rubbishing your sticky idea btw man, and kudos for actually giving a fuck about this place. It's actually great to have that discourse with ya. And I have no answers, but let me know what I can do to help. :)
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6 TheWiredWorld 2013-10-03
No, he's not. He has backers.
-5 Flytape 2013-10-03
I would be happy if the admins told them not to link to /r/conspiracy any more.
They obviously can't control their users, and unlike SRD or SRS this hate group is aimed directly at us. Their hate is distributed across all of the default subs.
-4 [deleted] 2013-10-03
Who the fuck is downvoting this guy? Are you kidding me?
Oh.... it is probably the r/conspiritards people.
Let's do what Flytape says... it can't hurt to try. I'm thinking that the people who are arguing against him are trolling or trying to derail a good idea. Fuck them - Flytape is making some good sense.
1 Jackski 2013-10-03
Do you seriously think a sub that has 100x less people can manipulate r/conspiracy? It's ridiculous. Some people on this sub just think some of the stuff posted is fucking retarded.
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Perhaps more people go onto it than subscribe to it.
-5 Letterbocks 2013-10-03
R.E: The Admins/default mods: You know shit runs deeper than that.
Why is it that in /r/news every single snowden leak thus far hasn't reached the top from the original guardian link but from a businessinsider meta-report on the piece, obviously someone is getting paid for those pageviews. It's not fucking absurd to assume that it's not coincidence that every time a leak drops the pageviews from this here aggregate site goes via a proxy rather than the original article...
I'm not sure this is an admin thing, I'm not sure it's a paid thing, I'm not sure of anything.
It's a seperate issue from why this sub gets so much hassle.
I assume it's because conspiracies attract polar differences of opinion.
There's nothing that can be done to quell the vitriol of pissed off people, right or wrong. Our job is to teach or guide them to voice their views in a way which we can all appreciate, be they hardcore libertarians, UFOlogists, centrists, left-wingers, folks with a general sense of scepticism, zealots, anti-semitics, zionists or whatever.
Our insurmountable job is to unite all those dudes to face a common enemy, and I'm sure the truth is more complicated than that.
Still, there's ways and means man, I think you are doing most everything right.
2 letsownthenwo 2013-10-03
regardless, this post is a good attempt
4 NYPD28 2013-10-03
There's a number of issues with this.
First and possibly most important, linking to =/= vote brigading, if that were true you run an entire subreddit whose purpose is to vote brigade people, often by name, so you wouldn't have credibility on this issue.
While it's easy to go to another subreddit and link to it, the purpose of /r/conspiratard hardly seems to be to target /r/conspiracy specifically. I just went there and there are links to other subreddits including /r/trees and /r/whiterights.
And lastly, as a mod, you should know better as to point out 1 poorly behaved person that might be at a sub and use that against an entire sub.
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-10 4too 2013-10-03
All the "tards" are in /r/conspiratard, where they belong. And yes, they all should be banned from this subreddit.
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3 eooxx 2013-10-03
a line jerk?
5 TheFrogOfWar 2013-10-03
A möbius jerk.
2 SaxonWitch 2013-10-03
Wow, the downvotes are directly proportional to those you have just insulted!
-14 redditeditard 2013-10-03
Because of small, unused penises.
6 The_Cops 2013-10-03
Why not?
2 [deleted] 2013-10-03
because its pretty funny to look at the crazies of the crazies in /r/conspiracy