It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.

• Aristotle

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WTF? Good catch.

"In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

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Every time someone gives me any shit I remind them that the official explanation for 9/11 is a classic conspiracy theory and that if they believe it that makes them conspiracy theorists too.

Doublespeak.

Not everything posted here is true, nevertheless great content is still posted on this subreddit.

people here in this thread are not afraid to discuss multiple angles of the same story and put together pieces

What truths are here?

That the WTC actually fell because of bombs placed by agents of the global elite? That the Sandy Hook shooting was a hoax to take away the second amendment to create a totalitarian police state? That JFK was killed by the Zionists for opposing their iron fist? That the Boston Bombing was a false flag event? That the Syrian uprising against the noble Assad was because of their resistance to the NWO and a profitable natural gas pipeline? That the sanctions on Iran are because they oppose the Rothschilds banking empire?

I don't see it.

lets phrase this another way. who killed jfk? Was sandy hooke media representation very inaccurate and hazy?-yes bosten bombing genuine-no chance. NWO and international elite exist- yes read about wealth concentration Who owns the fed- rothschilds likely have a share.

Correlation does not equal causation.

You can argue whether or not there was a conspiracy regarding the JFK assassin. What is not arguable is that there was a cover-up. The Warren Commision reports and records were sealed for 50 years. Do you think they did that because everything was straightforward?

Even if there was a cover-up, correlation does not imply causation. Perhaps it was the ineptitude of the government to protect their president from crazed psychos that was covered up... This does not mean that it was the intention of the Global Elites to kill the President because they couldn't control him.

People here claim that their ideas and opinions are facts. I never hear the "I think" or "I wonder if..." It's always "JFK was assasinated by the Rothschilds for executive order 11110 because it would diminish their power." As soon as a plausible story is uncovered, it is treated like the truth. Just because a plausible story is plausible doesn't mean that it's true or that it withstands scrutiny.

All of these conspiracies build up on other conspiracies. If there was no Rothschilds-family controlled central banking empire controlling hundreds of countries, then the premise of that theory is false.

Kennedy could have been assassinated by someone paid by the Republican party for unknown reasons. 9/11 may have been orchestrated by terrorists and could have been stopped because of insider information known to Mossad but someone chose not to. Alternatively, someone may have not listened to Mossad because they were incompetent and the government tried to cover that up. These are simplistic, plausible conspiracy theories. But nobody here talks about them because they are not premised on the foundations of a central, omnipotent yet incompetent Evil Global Power, which conspiracy theorists take for granted.

My point is that it implies heavily there was a conspiracy to cover up the facts, which in turn heavily implies either a) they were hiding the incompetence etc of the Warren Commision itself(not terribly unlikely) or b) the report they gave was at best incomplete and at worst misleading.

Not every conspiracy is tied to others; the most plausible theory about 9-11 I read about was that the Port Uthority had skimped on the construction of the towers(which were, if you'll recall, designed to withstand the force of a plane smashing into them). This also would explain why no one was allowed to examine the rubble and why it was carted away so fast. I should hardly need to mention that the official explanation of the 9-11 attacks is a classic conspiracy theory.

It fits the fact pattern, it explains Building 7, it explains the "why did they collapse if they were designed to endure", it explains the post-cleanup behaviour, and it has no more mystery to it than people covering their asses & human greed.

Sometimes a conspiracy is the simplest, best explanation. And conspiracies abound. Enron was a conspiracy to rig energy prices. The bailout was a conspiracy to build consumer confidence. The shutdown is a conspiracy to stop Obamacare.

TL;DR: You don't need a tinfoil hat with matching underwear to notice that small groups of people with like interests get together to manipulate what they can in the world to their own advantage.

True but i am only fishing probabilities without giving definite conclutions (out of interest who do you think might have responible for some of the events you've described above?)

If I gave you an answer, it would be speculation. If this is a place of speculation, it is not the place to find "truth." Certainly not the "only place."

I seriously cannot find those truths here.

Thats ok, if you want you're definition of 'Truth' this isn't the right place for you to be. Your certainly not going to get it through mainstream media.

if you want your definition of 'Truth' this isn't the right place for you to be

I only defined truth as a contrast to speculation. How do you think I defined truth?

Your certainly not going to get it through mainstream media.

Not 100% of the time, but why not 95+% of the time? You already have several assumptions before you got to the conclusion that you will never get truth from the mainstream media...

If I can't get truth from the mainstream media, why would I find it here? I think the speculation here is advertised as fact, which betrays a lack of self-insight. Why should I trust people who lack insight into their own cognitive processes? It's not more true just because you thought it or someone underground posited it...

If you believe the mainstream media representations of the events you posted I pity your cognitive thought processes, This conversation is over, I can't be bothered engaging in rational debate with some diddydums.

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Average joe here, OP tells the truth.

Average joe here. OP certainly is in a world of hurt if he is using this subreddit as a primary source of news.

John Doe here, if you get your news from CNN or any other cable news source, you are secretly pitied by the rest of us.

Well thankfully it's a very, very tiny percentage of you ;)

yeah I want to change it from r/conspiracy and all the negative views that go with that name to r/controversialnews.

with a system that terminally, congenitally lies to you, telling the truth becomes a conspiracy.

So true lies

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The "news" is both controversial AND a conspiracy!...

You are technically and otherwise totally correct.

They are just trying to consensus crack the sub again right now.

If the mods don't ban it first.

If I was a moderator, I'd allow any post.

The Reddit upvote/downvote system allows the bullshit to quickly sink to the bottom.

P.S. OK, I know. Shit usually floats. Deal with it as it's only a metaphor.

It doesn't float if it gets flushed down the toilet.

Yup same here! My everyday news

What can be trusted as being real in a world which rewards deception?

So, you listen to me. Listen to me: Television is not the truth! Television is a God-damned amusement park! Television is a circus, a carnival, a traveling troupe of acrobats, storytellers, dancers, singers, jugglers, side-show freaks, lion tamers, and football players. We're in the boredom-killing business! So if you want the truth... Go to God! Go to your gurus! Go to yourselves! Because that's the only place you're ever going to find any real truth.

But, man, you're never going to get any truth from us. We'll tell you anything you want to hear; we lie like hell. We'll tell you that, uh, Kojak always gets the killer, or that nobody ever gets cancer at Archie Bunker's house, and no matter how much trouble the hero is in, don't worry, just look at your watch; at the end of the hour he's going to win. We'll tell you any shit you want to hear. We deal in illusions, man! None of it is true!

-- "Network", 1976

Just because it's not in MSM, doesn't make it true. Conspiritards are just as capable of lying as the rest.

I think you mean "theory". And it's not.

I'm fine with the name. The word "conspiracy" seems to be evolving in to "esoteric information"

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Language evolves. They demonize conspiracy so it becomes "tinfoil hat" while the internet sits around and is proven correct time and time again. Tinfoil hats are in style this season.

Drink the bong-water of truth!

And we laugh at our ministry of truth.... The MSM

Certain kinds of truth you will get here only until the mods get around to banning those who speak it. Even on this subreddit, truth is selectively filtered. But it is still more open than most subreddits.

in the world of lies, truth is treason. or r/conspiracy

That's because much of the actual truth on this planet is obscured by forces conspiring to keep it hidden.

Contrary to what Mulder said, there is no truth anywhere

I love that show! Upvote for the reference. I also agree with you about "truth". Thanks for pointing it out.

I read multiple sources on a daily basis. There are multiple perspectives. Of course most of us don't have time to consider them all, but for those that do, it is nice to have an aggregate and this is not the ultimate source of that!

So the Jews would like you to believe. Don't believe it. There is truth. They can't kill it, they can only bury it. But it's still there, waiting to be discovered.

Very true ! If I want to find out if something is true or isn't i come on this subreddit and read what the conspiracy loving crazies are claiming then I basically know that the opposite is true.

It doesn't float if it gets flushed down the toilet.