The shutdown is a just a front. The real truth is that 'Merkia is broke as fuck. They are setting up bail-out deals with their sponsors who may or may not come to the party.

Front or not that's millions of people who will not be receiving a pay check.

Make that people who are combat hardened, with skill sets, trigger time, motivation, and now add time on their hands.

Was thinking the exact same thing.

After September 30, the following rules apply:

Excepted employees who perform duty during the shutdown will be >entitled to retroactive payments once another CRA or an >appropriations act is signed into law. For furloughed employees, Congress will have to provide authority >for retroactive payments to be made. Employees whose organizations have available resources such as >Defense Working Capital Fund, will be paid as normal until such time >as cash reserves are exhausted. NonAppropriated Fund (NAF) civilian employees: Your pay will be >processed and paid as normal.

If the employee is: furloughed or in a fund such as "Defense Working Capital Fund" or a NonAppropriated Fund or retired then they will still get paid apparently. So long as they keep enough army employed to assert compliance power locally they see it as no genuine problem.

Does that mean people in the military can just leave or quit? If they aren't being paid their contracts are void?

I honestly don't think it would be that simple. In reality it means that some service members will be forced into debt, because they will not have money for their normal monthly payments. An entire new struggle for military members and their families is upon us. I hope that this doesn't last more than a few weeks, because if it does. I feel we may see a revolt.

It would be a shame if there was, you know... a military takeover of government...

Hell you hope it doesn't last more than a few weeks because if it does you feel there may be a revolt? Let me tell you, man: A revolt - especially a military revolt - would NOT be a bad thing at this point. Not the way this country is at this point. Hell I was thinking this current situation might be the very thing the country really needs in order to finally make the military side with the PEOPLE.

I agree. Although the military is awake. Not so much the new guy, but the crowd that has been in for at least one enlistment or more. Hell, today I was in line to get a package from the post office on base. I was with my wife and I was talking with her about this and other current events. When a grey haired gentleman whom I assumed was an officer, although I cannot be sure because he was in civilian attire. Had overheard our conversation and turned around and said " it's about damn time we took our country back". We chatted a bit more and turns out the lack of pay didn't bother him so much, it was the threat against the second amendment he believed would be the turning point. So in conclusion, I believe we have the desire to revolt. But everyone has a different trigger. Revolution is necessary. Yet only time will tell. The information I posted was sent out via email by the base commander. I just removed the contact information.

the military is awake.

Compared to the average citizen, I would say yes. It's because many in the armed forces have seen first hand the chicanery, lies, and deceit of TPTB.

Not so much the new guy, but the crowd that has been in for at least one enlistment or more.

Yes. Agreed.

turns out the lack of pay didn't bother him so much, it was the threat against the second amendment he believed would be the turning point.

I would not disagree with this gentleman.

I believe we have the desire to revolt. But everyone has a different trigger. Revolution is necessary. Yet only time will tell.

I think we're getting REEEAALLY close to that moment where we're going to be needing to act and act soon because if we don't, it might be too late.

Thanks for all the info you put up here.

I am in the marine corps and i know a few different banks have already promised to pay the checks out because as said, once the govt shutdown is over the bank will get its money reimbursed

I'm at work right now and a little too busy to research it, but I'm a contractor for the dod working on a military case right now, will work be shut down for contractors and civilians such as the ROICC, (Resident Officers in Charge of Construction) who work for the govt??

thanks

I honestly do not know exactly. Military, work resumes as normal just without pay. And yes if bills cannot be paid due to no pay then the banks are offering 0% interest loans to keep service members afloat until the shutdown is over. If it ends... As far as civilians contractors go, most have been furloughed to the best of my knowledge. At least where I am at. The housing contractor was just brought back from furlough today in light of this new information in order to contact the hundreds of landlords service members are renting from. To inform them that they may not receive rent payments. The govt. has until the 17th of this month to come out of the shutdown before they will default on their debts.

Not more than fair that the soldiers get into debt, it is they who want war (since they have chosen to be soldiers), don't put the burden on the rest. Seriously though, educate more medical personnel and less soldiers.

you're right. The signing bonus and promise of putting these young people thru school couldn't possibly mean anything. They must all be war mongering asshats.

I don't support anyone for participating in atrocities for pay.

While I can sympathize with you in our current state of affairs, the united states military has been a beacon of honor and hope for a lot longer than the last decade. The majority of our soldiers over seas are not there to murder locals. They would also be our first line of defense if we were attacked at home. They deserve a little more respect than what you are giving them.

Clearly.

No, on my second tour I didn't get paid for a month because of a shutdown in 2010. We still ran missions as usual. There was even talk that if we died our life insurance wouldn't pay out. It was happening then and it's worse now. I feel bad for the people still apart of the military industrial complex.

Well I live in Italy off base like hundreds of others that are stationed here. It cost us 1200$ a month for our apartment. If we go one month with out pay, we will not be able to pay our rent. Not to mention the people who have a car payment on top of their rent. Insurance and food. Also their is no base housing here. Only dorms for single airman. It's incredible to me that they cannot pay their employees but that can continue to fly 16's all day long. Hard times ahead.

USAA is offering zero interest loans to military members during the shutdown period. Something to look into.

It's crazy. What they declare "essential" and "non-essential" is ridiculous. What does it cost to run a carrier fleet in the Mediterranean? Oh congress keeps their pay but joe bob in the infantry won't be able to sustain his life and family's life back home.

I would say that this is indeed a violation of contractual agreement and you would have good standing to bring suit. Whether or not you have someone with the balls enough to try it is something else.

I meant it as in "legally". If the other party doesn't hold up their end of the contract, the contract can be considered void, no?

Legally probably. Militarily no. You can't abandon your post until properly relieved in military terms.

If they don't get paid for a period of time a military awakening could happen. Most of the military lives paycheck to paycheck so it would be bad for a lot of families stateside and abroad.

Legally is exactly how militarily works.... You sign a contract, they pay you for services rendered. No pay, no services. If you didn't get paid you have strong footing to walk away from the contract. Whether you have the balls to do that is something else.

When Do We Start Defending The Constitution and American Way Of Life From Domestic Enemies??? I'm Diggin The Idea Of Making Some 777's Sing For Everyone's Freedom, It's Only a Fire Mission Away...

It's funny how even when they aren't getting paid they still keep killing people and risking their lives in wars based on admitted lies that help no one and hurt everyone.

the shutdown didn't really go long enough. So it was a command decision to work through it instead of losing everything we gained up to that point. If we took one day off it would have set us behind. We had yet to see families effected by not having a paycheck.

But yes. These wars are fucking stupid.

Your leaders need you more than you need them. Keep this in mind always, the military might be the only option for real change at this point.

If they would just shut down all the illegal domestic surveillance bs, those people wouldn't be out of a job, or getting $0 paychecks.

That's not how it works-- the Republican House caucus has refused to pass a budget unless and until their demands regarding the ACA are met. So even if the entire NSA ceased to exist, the situation would be exactly the same. And regardless, the bulk of the government's spending is on social security, medicare, and the military, domestic surveillance is significantly cheaper (don't need an F-35 to read an email).

I smell a coup.

The lengths that Congress and administration cronies have gone to piss off those in the Armed Forces bearing the brunt of the empire wars and domestic mistakes is astonishing. Maybe the first skirmish won't be armed forces vs. enraged civilians but armed forces vs. DHS/security contractor paramilitary forces/Academi and such...

Would. Be. Fucking. Glorious.

I certainly hope so.

thats what im thinking. and then i think of the talk here the last couple of months about FEMA and foreign troops on our soil. Eff

All you online shills are going to be replaced with darpabots. We warned you they'd throw you under the bus when they were done using you.

You're nothing to them. I hope you're proud of what you've done.

All you online shills are going to be replaced with darpabots. We warned you they'd throw you under the bus when they were done using you.

I mean, I can't speak for everyone else, but my shill paychecks are still showing up.

Of course, us shills are on the reptilians' payroll after all.

who's to say we're not darpa bots already?

I would hope that darpabots would display a little more intelligence..

Its in our programming, we can't use our full intelligence when dealing with you guys. We're not allowed to reveal our maximum capabilities to something as unimportant as r/conspiracy.

It really speaks to delusions of grandeur when one random on the internet thinks other randoms on the internet are Government/Corporate/NWO shills simply for disagreeing with their ‘alternative’ view on things. Your opinion is simply not that important.

delusions? fuck you. this isn't a personal issue, it's a fact. you don't believe that governments monitor and manufacture consent online? you don't believe these programs exist, when they are ANNOUNCED and DETAILED by your very governments?

you're a complete asshole. how's that for personal?

I am still shilling away, I have no clue what you are talking about.

Well, the good side of this is that FEMA can't shoot Americans until they get paid. So the longer the government is shut down, the safer we are.

So if the White House chefs aren't getting paid, is Obama eating out these days?

Obama continues to get paid. As do congress. And Obama pays out of pocket for meals at the White House. His chef's aren't paid by resolution. They're paid by the president.

Stupid question here so forgive me. But I would think if the military is not being paid with no end in sight?

Would that not invite a Military Coup?

I think this was cleared up by the pentagon comptroller.

"The Pentagon comptroller highlighted two categories of DOD civilians that, under POMA, the Defense Department will recall, and he noted the act ensures the military will be paid on a timely basis “next payday, Oct. 15, and future ones.”'

http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=120906

This article you mention was posted on the 6th of October. I received this information via email from the base commander on October 7th. I simply removed the contact information, while maintaining the integrity of the message. The military, active duty, reserves and national guard will not be paid on a timely basis. Because there is no warrant from the treasury to authorize said payments. However if the military member cannot make their payments for their rent or their vehicle or any other payments they are legally bound to uphold. Military banks such as USAA are offering a 0% interest loan. However one must still call and apply for said loan/ pay check advance. They will not be paying people, but if you cannot survive without putting your self into unnecessary debt you can apply for the loan. Seems to me that this in itself will cause some unforeseen problems to occur. Every military member applying for a loan is sure to cause some technical issues. Keep in mind too that if the shutdown is still active after the 17th of October the US will default on it's debt, devaluing the currency more than it is already.

http://www.letsmove.gov

still up. surprised no one has ddos'd it yet

maybe the senate should pass a CR. The House CR funded everything except the ACA, so a CR for this could be passed.

so a couple months from now when we need to pass another CR they can defund the ACA even more? we can't let this be the standard everytime we pass a budget it sets a dangerous precedent.

we cant let this (members of the elected majority party doing the will of their voters) happen again?

tell me more about your vision of representative democracy.

they're doing the bidding of the billionaire koch brothers.

hardly representative. the few actual supporters of the tea party are a tiny brainwashed section of the population.

Billionaires or not ACA is a fucking nightmare, authoritarian, psychopathic piece of legislation.

Please just read some of it.

oh im not saying im pro ACA. i know its a manipulative frankenstein created for big pharma more than anything. however, govt shutdown is only affecting the poorest while the rich play their games.

for example, my girlfriend just had her vehicle stolen last night. apparently arizona is the only state to cut off welfare checks, and some 5,200 poor families didnt receive their checks last week (about $200). cops took over an hour to show up, etc. but i knew its just some poor desperate sap who cant feed his family. never had a problem living here til now. this shutdown will have major economic repercussions we are barely getting a glimpse of now.

you must be very sheltered in a big city or have some serious blinders on to so grossly underestimate the hatred of the deoendency creating policies and fiscal bankruptcy being pushed in dc.

If you are accurate, that means you are living on a pig farm with no access to news other than the AM radio's Limpballs.

please tell me more about your enlightened hick friends/family.

they're sick of paying for your obamaphone. get a job.

seriously?

you are a bigoted old man. get your head out of your ass and grow up.

Majority...LoL they are a minority within the three branches of Government and as ignorant as you.

the level of ignorance among the "jon stewart is a journalist" reddit crowd is staggering.

so, tell me, how many seat majority do the democrats have in the House of Representatives?

Ignorance must be your strong suit. The Teathuglicans are a minority in the AMERICAN Government. They hold one branch out of three and indeed they are indeed controlled by Senator Ted Cruz and not John Boner.

You do know that across America Democrats got millions more votes in 2012 for their candidates but for Gerrymandering they got more seats. Boner keeps using the phrase "the American People", well in 2012 the American People voted overwhelmingly for Democrats for all three branches.

As for staggering, I suggest less drinking and you might be able to stop.

i see. so in your system there is no bicameral legislature or checks and balances. just majority party as defined in your mind gets to dictate.

well, since we dont live in your reality, i dont care to discuss the particulars of it.

im content to live in the actual world where the majority party in the US House has defunded the ACA and the majority party in the US Senate has defunded (by inaction on CR) the rest of the 17% of government that is discretionary in response.

You are retarded

How so?

dont worry I think he is just talking to him self

they're doing the bidding of the billionaire koch brothers.

hardly representative. the few actual supporters of the tea party are a tiny brainwashed section of the population.

Majority...LoL they are a minority within the three branches of Government and as ignorant as you.

That's not how it works-- the Republican House caucus has refused to pass a budget unless and until their demands regarding the ACA are met. So even if the entire NSA ceased to exist, the situation would be exactly the same. And regardless, the bulk of the government's spending is on social security, medicare, and the military, domestic surveillance is significantly cheaper (don't need an F-35 to read an email).

How so?