Good point.. It'll be interesting to see if something happens when they re-open. I bet the re-opening will bring a lot of people to the places that have been closed.. In celebration..

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And then BOOM.

The bombs go off because "domestic terrorists were pissed at the shut down and planted bombs at the parks that were set to detonate after the parks reopening".

Dear God that had better not happen at all. It would be especially retarded and freedom stripping.

USA!USA!USA!USA!USA!USA!

only one "person" (Scott Forbes) has made this claim about a WTC 2 shutdown on 9/8 9/9. It has been in no way corroborated by ANY other person, despite "Forbes" claiming that there were hundreds of IT people called in to shut down systems. Not a single email about shutdowns, not a single individual among these hundreds, have corroborated this claim.

In any event, it would take MONTHS to wire the WTC buildings for demolition; not a weekend.

Recall the israeli art students in the interstitial spaces of wtc for months? there were pics of them with all there gear (pallets of boxes)....

Need to find the pics again.

interesting, but its hard for myself to doubt that they could get away with it

Not if you're using a Hutchison weapon. All you need to install is static field generators.

http://www.drjudywood.com/

Now there's some substantiated nonsense. The DEW crowd are my favorite. Gubmint really pulled out all the stops for that 9/11 thing didn't they?

Blown up cars a mile away from the towers? Hole in the pentagon smaller than a 757 plane? Zero court martials? CIA Whistleblower Susan lindauer arrested and labeled crazy? Michael springman fired after whistleblowing that the hijackers were given visas by the CIA? Bush tying to prevent a 911 commission? Anthrax sent to the congressmen demanding investigation? Bin laden's flown out of the country on 911? Yeah, government had NOTHING to do with 911. Haha. Sure.

you don't do any research at all do you?

Blown up cars a mile away from the towers?

yes. they were towed there. this was just covered on /r/conspiracy a week ago. please keep up.

Hole in the pentagon smaller than a 757 plane?

you mean this hole? seems plenty big enough to me.

Zero court martials?

who would be "court martialed"? For what?

Michael springman fired after whistleblowing that the hijackers were given visas by the CIA?

he was fired in 1989. Do you know what year 9/11/2001 took place?

blah blah blah. you aren't even good at cutting and pasting. waste of time. do your own research. learn to read.

The cars were not moved, nor are their melted wheels accounted for. The hole is not wide enough. Military personnel would be court martialed for failing to do their job. He was fired for whistleblowing, the CIA gave the hijackers passports illegally. It doesn't matter when, they did it. I see half of your posts are dedicated to trying to convince people that the official story is real. Waste of time indeed.

The cars were not moved, nor are their melted wheels accounted for.

why weren't all the cars in the area melted then? why not buildings and mailboxes? why didn't anyone see this? you're an idiot.

The hole is not wide enough.

OK. Is it the correct size for a magic energy weapon? or did the govt use a missile here instead? why not the magic energy weapon?

Military personnel would be court martialed for failing to do their job.

I hope you have no aspirations to be a lawyer. Or a logician.

He was fired for whistleblowing, the CIA gave the hijackers passports illegally. It doesn't matter when, they did it.

Passports? Now the CIA is issuing Saudi passports to terrorists? Do you mean visas? In any case he was fired TWELVE YEARS before the date of the attacks. No visa is valid for that time period. Do you understand this?

I see half of your posts are dedicated to trying to convince people that the official story is real. Waste of time indeed.

No, and I don't expect you to understand this distinction, my posts are dedicated to debunking nonsense such as yours.

Do you know what melts wheels? Fire! Do you know what was on fire? WTC 1/2/3/4 and 7!

Not a mile away they don't.

Please provide evidence that the vehicles weren't moved there as was already discussed in this very sub.

What streets were they found on?

Why were they melted?

Why those vehicles?

All explained here

http://www.drjudywood.com/

ah yes. I looked at the "toasted cars" section of the site. 1) explains nothing. 2) simply shows a bunch of cars (and shockingly cop cars and fire engines) that have clearly been struck by falling debris and in some cases caught fire 3) this is the worst conspiracy web site I've ever seen; completely incoherent.

conclusion: Dr. Judy Woods is a fool.

yawn

facts bore you?

bores bore me

I think what paperzplz is saying is that "facts" and "evidence" bore him, because they disprove the risible conspiracy theories that he so desperately wants to believe.

but you do understand that not a single other person (out of "hundreds" according to Scott Forbes himself) has come forward to say they were part of this power down, don't you? you get that? Most likely didn't happen. But you don't care because those realities bore you. They aren't crisis actors and bullshit illumanti plots.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPD9kAJT98o

your full of shit

Isn't it a coincidence that George W. Bush brother and cousin was head of the World Trade Center Security and some of the airports that got hijacked on 9/11 Also isnt it coincidence that same world trade center security director sold airplanes to the National Civil Aviation Training Organization (NCATO) in Egypt where the hijackers trained their flying

in 1993 Marvin Bush (George W Bush's brother) becomes director of the Stratesec, which was formerly called Securacom,A security contract company hired by the World Trade Center which maintained security for the World Trade Center Towers up until September 11, 2001. Stratesec also ran Airport Security between 1995 and 1998, tan ran security at the Metropolitan Washington Airport Authority, providing electronic security for Reagan National Airport and Dulles International Airport. Their security work included maintaining the airfield access systems, the CCTV (closed circuit television) systems, and the electronic badging systems. American Airlines Flight 77,one of the planes hijacked on 9/11 took off from Dulles. The Same Airport.

Mishal Yousef Saud Al Sabah, who is a member of the Kuwaiti royal family. Al Sabah is also chairman of an investment company called the Kuwait-American Corporation (KuwAm), and was business partners,co director with Marvin Bush at Stratesec, which was formerly called Securacom through 2001, was found selling airplanes to the National Civil Aviation Training Organization (NCATO) of Giza, Egypt, to "the sole civilian pilot training organization in Egypt." Al Sabah was chairman of KuwAm and board member of the Commander Aircraft Company.” NCATO also has contractual partnerships with several US flight schools, including Embry-Riddle University in Florida

in 1999 Wirt D. Walker III (George W. Bush Cousin)Becomes CEO of Stratesec, which was formerly called Securacom. The Same Contract Security that Marvin Bush, George W Bush brother, was director of and was maintaining security at the World Trade Center and at the Airports some of the Highjacked airliners took off from

You're.

and how does that in any way shape or form add any credence to the story of "Scott Forbes"?

It doesn't.

You are irrelevant.

facts are irrlevent when your practicing pseudoscience.

hilarious. so let's get this straight; a person that cannot be verified to even have been an employee anywhere at WTC2, and has provided not a single piece of evidence claims that WTC2 was powered down for 2 days prior to 9/11 and because it fits with the narrative that you want to believe, I'm practicing pseudoscience? you are seriously deluded.

and it is "you're"

FALSE. They were also closed during the 95-96 shutdown

http://journalistsresource.org/studies/government/politics/shutdown-federal-government/

Important points in the report relating to the shutdowns in 1995-1996 include

...

The closure of 368 Nation Park sites resulted in the loss of some 7 million visitors.

Also, don't forget that the statue of liberty was closed for a stretch until just a few months ago. I was actually just thinking about this earlier, its especially worrisome that they are kicking out private property owners.

it was closed due to storm damage from sandy. The water basically washed over the island during the storm and wrecked the docs.

It was also closed while they installed state of the art security. They can ID you from 20 feet using surveillance cameras.

and I own an android phone so if anyone wanted they would know where I am at every moment of the day.

you see the post here a week or so ago about that android app NetStat that tells you who or what is monitoring your phone? Install that shit (if you want), I did it, luckily no DoD IP, but OP and a couple of others reported IPs originating from the DoD.....

its like they want certain people to know they're watching.

I work in mobile advertising, i work on algorithms for programmatic ad buying, the NSA doesn't have squat on what the private sector is collecting and learning about you. they simply sell it to the gov or anyone else for that matter that has the money.

You collect private encryption keys from secure email vendors and SSL cert vendors to secretly read all communications sent by online shoppers? I think not.

don't need to, take a look at the terms being agreed to when you install an app\game on your ios\android phone. Most people never look at it, once that permission has been given the app allows whoever to view all that stuff. Txt msg, contact list, phone calls, gps cords.

I'm with you now. I guess I was thinking in terms of the shadiness or underhandedness of the collection, and not necessarily the data itself. I apologize for adding a layer of assumption that was not there.

it's all good.

Well I'm under the impression that the NSA has backdoors in almost all of our technology.

I know about the private sector, I know how much google knows about me, and how they use all that to advertise.

But I'm pretty sure the NSA has all my phone shit plus everything else. If not, fucking cut the funding

Such an obedient citizen.

what can i say, i couldn't afford the iphone at the time.

Siri is a bitch, anyway.

You don't own a cell phone?

I own a gun.

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Admitted spy shit?

the security cameras. real top end stuff with facial recognition and all that. I'm sure every person who went out to the statue was scanned and it was run against a database. not exactly spy shit because they have signs up telling you that you are under surveillance and the fed gov fully admitted what they were installing at the time. but that's not the only spot around the city that has a system like that.

Statue of "Liberty"

no, it was open a bunch, but it had been closed for a bit prior like a week or so. the majority of the surveillance and security stuff (electronic bomb sniffers, facial recognition and the sort) had been there for years and installed shortly after 9/11

no, not true. it was closed for a year, then it reopened for 1 day and was then closed because of Sandy.

And how much we're supposed to hate the French...

This ^ comment is in jest, but in just the last few days I've been contemplating non-revisionist history, and the fact that technically the French should be our closest ally, seeing as they were our first and best ally in our war to leave the English. We'd still be called The Colonies were it not for men like Lafayette willing to take a chance on us (and donate vast sums of personal cash to us). From the perspective of today, our Revolution was technically a proxy war between the French and English, and, similar to us supplying/funding the Mujahedin in Afghanistan to undermine our then-enemy Russia, the French saw a chance to really fuck over their then-enemies England by backing us, so they took it. And I for one am glad they did. If this view makes people see me as unpatriotic because 'MURCA, well, fuck them because they're ignorant of history.

If "they" blow up the Statue of Liberty.... will that piss off Americans? Or just lead to a bunch of really bad Charlton Heston impressions?...

But, seriously, I'd fuckin riot!

This is a great catch; but I hope to God that you are wrong.

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Don't be connecting things to the Dept. of Transportation, dude!

Empty national parks make for good DHS and foreign troop rally points.

The problem I have with that is that every major park I have been to has been a narrow, windy, two-lane road in and out...

Good luck getting convoys through something like that without being noticed.

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Ha! - if you haven't noticed, Helicopters related to any conspiracy have a survival rate of about 1 in 10. So... If that were the means of conveyance - we have nothing to worry about! :)

foreign troop

Elaborate?

Large numbers of people assembled where they have the least prospect of being seen. Or simply large staging areas for people, equipment.

Why would they be foreign troops?

http://freepatriot.org/2013/09/18/watch-fema-dhs-386000-foreign-troops-now-on-u-s-soil-obama-issuing-martial-law-in-october/

I thought this was found to be made up bullshit.

I never said foreign. There are precedents, but not on the scale some people are making out. Regional stuff like Mexican troops assisting Katrina relief or School of the Americas' international training at Ft Benning. I've heard about Chinese troops out on the west Texas border overwatching the oilfield buys their government made, but I've been along that border and haven't seen anything personally.

There has been a lot of rumor about Russian troops training in the US.

Like the Russian troops that have been here since the summer? Like the access they are enjoying in our airspace?...

ah the foreign troop thing! thought I was going crazy, the news of the past few days about the military not receiving pay kinda befuddled me, wondering how the hell they would keep us under control without the military on their side. but then I remembered that foreign troop thing. any more news on that?

Is it your assumption that the absence of people gave "them" the ability to prep the wtc for sept eleventh?

I'm just stating purported facts.

Facts?

http://www.911review.com/errors/wtc/forbes.html

Without providing a valid source?

It's called begging the question and it's what wackjobs do best.

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I'm not arguing with you. I think it is interesting. It will be really interesting if something does happen at an area that people have been herded away from.

I have also heard that there was a lot of construction going up shortly before 9/11. Specifically, the installation of 'fireproof insulation in the elevator shafts' and so forth.

Do you have any sources?

I was there

Too bad they aren't facts

Do civilians have access to any trained bomb-sniffing dogs?

I'm starting to think I want a few....

Who cares? There were bomb sniffing dogs at the boston marathon! so good luck friend

Good luck. I think the pri es are artificially inflated.

http://www.securityprousa.com/bodesc.html

I would say this is the best explanation for the insanity going on right now. Average Americans would be against any group who supposedly blows up a monument or two. Martial law, baby, just like World War Z. That movie made it seem necessary and cool to be under martial law, so it's coming and not many people are going to give a shit.

"Daddy, what's martial law?"

"Martial law is like house rules, but for everybody."

must have missed that scene in the movie.

And the fact that no scene in the movie could be called "cool" if you actually had to live through it.

sometimes a zombie movie is just a zombie movie.

"Daddy, what's martial law?"

"Martial law is like house rules, but for everybody."

Did you even watch the movie?

yeah, but I also realize that zombies are not real and movies are just sometimes movies. You need to lay off the alex jones webcasts.

It was the part where the UN saved the world

Why would they be foreign troops?

I have also heard that there was a lot of construction going up shortly before 9/11. Specifically, the installation of 'fireproof insulation in the elevator shafts' and so forth.

I own a gun.

you don't do any research at all do you?

Blown up cars a mile away from the towers?

yes. they were towed there. this was just covered on /r/conspiracy a week ago. please keep up.

Hole in the pentagon smaller than a 757 plane?

you mean this hole? seems plenty big enough to me.

Zero court martials?

who would be "court martialed"? For what?

Michael springman fired after whistleblowing that the hijackers were given visas by the CIA?

he was fired in 1989. Do you know what year 9/11/2001 took place?

blah blah blah. you aren't even good at cutting and pasting. waste of time. do your own research. learn to read.