He probably doesn't want his medical records stored on the same system as the plebs.

I don't understand Ocare much but I did hear "$900/month for 80% coverage" somewhere a while back and it shocked the shit out of me.

Healthcare in the US need a real revolution. Profiting off pain, suffering and death is just wrong.

I would do your own research on your own options of your current insurance vs healthcare.gov options. $900 sounds ridiculous for one person, but maybe not for a family. This just sounds like Tea Party sensationalism.

Regardless, I laugh when people think Obamacare is a good solution for solving corporate greed in healthcare. If anything, it is only a thicker application of the current situation. Health insurance companies are going to make even more money, now that you are forced by law under threat of penalty to buy their services. To me, that only encourages more greed and more profit.

Actually even for a family it sounds fucking outrageous. It's a genius way to get even healthy families who aren't even on medications to pay into the system even though they aren't going to the hospital for anything. The whole concept of insurance has been perverted.

A dear friend of mine has a bowel condition and the doc prescribed 30 days of enemas with some sort of anti-biotic in it. Cost without insurance $2,400. Cost with his insurance $30. Does this mean his insurance company footed a bill for $2,370 to cover the difference? No. The $2400 was a fantasy land number to force people into getting overpriced insurance in the first place. The insurance actually paid out $30 to match his $30 for a total of $60, so the original price tag of $2400 is a fake number. So basically he's paying $500 a month to his insurance company, so they can pitch in $30 once a month on his prescriptions. See the scam? Its a fucking outrage. Having mandatory insurance premiums required so you can artificially reduce a fake price tag at the pharmacy to a normal number is a racket. Plain and simple.

this

Couldnt have said it better myself.

insurance used to be what it says: insurance. insurance that incase something happens to you or youre proporty, youve been slowly shelling out money to a company who agrees to pay for any damages or problems.

Today, UNLESS you have insurance, you cant function in society (legally, anyways). you cant drive your car, you cant go to the doctor, you cant buy a home in some cases.

in the 50s, the US had the best healthcare system in the world, as well as the cheapest. EVERYONE was able to receive medical attention, regardless of their spoke on the social ladder. What changed?

Government stuck its finger in the pie

You may be interesting in what Dennis Kucinich had to say about the current law... Well that was before Obama took him on a little plane ride and he flipped his vote.

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its not just a buck though. Look worldwide bro.

If someone is thirsty or out of oxygen, it seems a shame that someone can't make a buck from the inevitable process. Anything else would be socialist.

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I think the point people are trying to make is that the legislature and the admin get subsidized for they're insurance. while the rest of us do not and have to pay out of pocket. why should they get theirs paid for? you and I have to pay out of pocket. and before you go saying they don't make alot. think of the people who don't make a lot and are still going to have to pay huge deductibles and a pretty hefty monthly premium. let alone the ones with pre-existing conditions. do you know anyone that has an extra 6k for the deductible?

Most employers do subsidize their employees. The average subsidy in this country is just below 80% of the cost of the insurance.

If you don't work for an employer that offers subsidized health insurance (as the feds do for their employees) you have two choices. Change jobs to an employer that provides health insurance, or self insure yourself through the new insurance exchanges provided by Obamacare.

Ok most employers are required to subsidize healtg care costs for full time employees. That being said most of these employers are cutting hours keeping everyone at part time status. The little guy looses again. As far as finding a new job in this shit economy. .. good luck.

Employers are not required to any such thing. They began doing it during WWII when wages were frozen as a way to entice workers. Companies are free to offer nothing in the way of healthcare if they choose - but it's become the norm to offer it so most do.

And another myth about Obamacare. Part time workers have NOT been increasing at a higher rate, in fact part-time employment has been steadily going DOWN over the past couple of years.

Source

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What you're seeing are cherry picked stories presented to make it appear like more workers are stuck with only part time options. It is still tough to find a good full time job, no doubt, but Obamacare is not turning us into a nation of part-timers.

yeah sure, let me up and change jobs tomorrow. Thanks for the advice chief!

There was no advice, just some facts.

Rooted in fallacy snd inconsistencies

Can't argue with that logic. I give man!

cool story bro, only they are free to select from 4 different government plans, aswell as the market. and all their plans offered SHIT on anything offered by Oshitcare or anything on the market.

we DONT get the same options, and the only option presented to us is another pyramid scheme that robs the american people.

what a cop-out answer.

If obamacare is as great as it says, then at least 1 elected official should sign up. Its like Steve Jobs trying to sell us his new iphone, and then pulling out his Galaxy s3 to text someone on stage while saying he doesnt have to use the iphone because he already has another one. the idea that they are rejecting any contact with the bill should scare you. the fact youre not and actually defending this scares me; knowing your vote influences my life.

Good ideas dont need force. and theres alot of force for this "good idea"

EDIT: teaparty joke? because everyone who disagrees with the progressive agenda is instantly "tea-party".

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You actually can't keep your current coverage as an individual. And you wouldnt as an employee if that wasn't delayed. Turns out that was as much a lie as the average american family saving $2500/yr.

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Why are we paying for people's health insurance whom do not give a fuck about us? They're allowing corporations to poison us, driving up our costs.

This system is broken, it has been since the inception of this country. Our health should not be a commodity, our healthcare system is the quintessence Social Darwinism.

People are willing to make a conspiracy of anything

Source?

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2013/10/obama-would-veto-legislation-175145.html

Chain emails, Facebook Posts, Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, Linda in accounting.

You know, the right-wing media.

It's good for the people and bad for him. "It's bad for the people and good for him."

Haha thanks.

patriot act...
NDAA...

They have pre-existing insurance. Though I think they should have to endure the system like the rest of us. But they won't. The 1%ers never do...

My mom has pre-existing insurance and makes less than $50,000 a year. She also gets to keep her pre-existing insurance. Imagine that. There's nothing to "endure", as the entire system is designed to give people who never had insurance in the first place an affordable method of doing so.

Any bill the GOP sends to Obama that would "require Obama and his staff to use Obamacare" would necessarily require they cease using their currently provided insurance plans and go and buy one, which would be a reduction in pay for not only Obama, but all of his staff. Those staff are most certainly not the 1%.

Those staff are most certainly not the 1%.

And neither are the people that couldn't afford healthcare and are now being forced to pay for insurance or being fined.

This is a ridiculous issue, but if the ACA is so great, let Obama and his staff suffer through it with the rest of America.

Why should our public servants not have to endure that which they force on us?

here's nothing to "endure", as the entire system is designed to give people who never had insurance in the first place an affordable method of doing so.

the fact that its done by force negates your point. If people are being forced into this, so much the elite. They are americans and people like us and deserve no special privilege.

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DO Canadians pay a premium for healthcare? Why not just go off their system?

We have a broad health tax that mainly come from alcohol and cigarette sales. Single payer, socialism. You guys hate that

LOL define "you guys". You mean the bought and paid for corporate shitheads on Capital Hill? They represent the wants/needs of corporations, not the American people. I see no reason why we shouldn't use your system, add pot in the mix, legalize and tax it, and get healthy citizens. The corporations don't want that, for whatever reason.

The anti "socialist" rhetoric i hear from south of the border, though i supposed blanketing all citizens with this label isnt all that smart of me

I, for one, believe that labeling a particular social or financial concept is useful for news writing, but not for actual thinking. It compartmentalizes your thinking, we need out of the box ideas.

If most Americans read up on your system, and held a vote on a non-centralized online server with STIFF penalties for trying to manipulate it, I'd venture to say that they'd choose THAT over the current system. Obama is a decent man but a horrible leader, and it seems like he's about filling the pockets of his friends not helping the people. All rhetoric aside, of course.

If you think the Canadian model is compelling, you should look into how they do health care in France, Japan and Scandinavia. Canada and Britain get brought up in the mainstream debate because they are awful advertisements for the single payer system. There are countries out there that provide health care from the cradle to the grave, and do it well.

Even Canada and Britain do it better than USA. Significantly lower costs per capita, and better results. I talk to a fair number of Canadians and Brits regularly, and they all think we in USA are MORONS for not having national healthcare, either single-payer or a full NHS.

Even Canada and Britain do it better than USA. Significantly lower costs per capita, and better results. I talk to a fair number of Canadians and Brits regularly, and they all think we in USA are MORONS for not having national healthcare, either single-payer or a full NHS.

One thing most people dont understand is having a "socialized" healthcare system does not mean a socialist government all around. I think they main benefit to a socialized system is that health insurance is a universal thing that everyone benefits from so why do we allow corporations to profit so much off basic healthcare. Everything about our medical industry is so fcked up its all build to be a money scam and nobody realizes it. It cost me $1500 (well not actually me but my insurance company) to go to the hospital for 20 mins and get my finger glued together from a razor cut.

There's usually a straightforward explanation that people miss for one reason or another. This isn't the first time I've read this here, so I find it interesting how people aren't picking up on it.

Because he's a megalomaniac

What if your not working and you homeless how do they get insurance and pay for it?

Government assistance.

Other people pay for it.

Homeless people and the unemployed don't file tax returns, and so won't have to pay a fee. This is the solution to negating this fascist law.

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Because he already has insurance, and Obamacare isn't insurance. It just makes it so everyone must have insurance and offers subsidized private insurance to those who don't (as well as other regulations).

"subsidized"

"Affordable"

Isn't there something in the constitution about this?

cuz Obamacare sucks?

Now there is a law which requires everyone to buy a product.

The reason I don't own a car is - I don't want to be told it is required to buy other things if I own a car.

I love freedom too much to go along with this, time to make a stand against the fascist policies of the USA. A few minutes of thought reveals the solution to this.

Obamacare already IS "applicable to top executive branch officials". If they don't have insurance already, they will have to get insurance or pay a penalty.

Source?

He doesn't believe that the top executives require assistance.

The anti "socialist" rhetoric i hear from south of the border, though i supposed blanketing all citizens with this label isnt all that smart of me

"Affordable"