Superman was written by two Jewish guys who were immigrants and they based a lot of Superman's origin on Judaic mythos and their own attitudes as immigrant outsiders in a predominantly white Christian environment.

Hollywood & the comic book industry is predominantly and historically mostly Jewish. Superman isn't an allegory for Jesus. It's only pandering to the Christian base by loosely connecting superstitious dots and letting them think Superman is based on Jesus.

Correct. Let us not forget Superman gets his power from the sun; i.e Sun worship.

Yup. PBS actually had a documentary on the other night with the history of comic books starting with Superman.

Superman is actually based on Samson who was the Hebrew hero. Both Jews & Christians are big on the guy whose hair made him invincible. Samson translated literally means 'man of the sun'. Kryptonite = Samson's hair.

im noticing superman is 33 years old in the movie

That's because Jesus was 33

33 is the highest degree in masonry. I highly doubt Hollywood was giving credit or suggesting anything about Jesus by using that number.

Hollywood is utterly obsessed with Jesus. Every hero in Hollywood is basically just a Jesus analogy these days. On top of that, Superman was originally written as a Jesus analogy.

Superman was originally written as a Moses analogy.

So the bit where he was sent down to earth, by his father, to act as an example to all of us, and that bit where he floated out of the space ship with his arms outstretched in a crucified pose, we're probably masonic things too. Right?

He was sent from another planet, not another dimension, or "heaven". He's essentially an alien, come to save humanity. Does that sound Christian to you? The outstretched pose is basically a blasphemy; an alien imitating Christ. Everything in Satanism is the reverse of Christianity, so this is not surprising he would make a mockery of Jesus. The "S" on his chest lies inside a 5-sided shape, where you could drawn an upside-down pentagram perfectly. He is symbolic of the Anti-christ.

edit: One more observation, in Superman, his father (God) died. The True God lives forever. This movie is saying "God is dead".

If the movie showed God sending his son down from heaven to die for our sins, that wouldn't be symbolising the Jesus story. That would be the Jesus story.

When Superman in Man of Steel, or Marcus Wright in Terminator Salvation, or Randy Robinson in The Wrestler, put their arms out like they're being crucified, or get betrayed, or resurrected, that's symbolising the Jesus story.

Comparing men to Christ is a mockery and an insult, not symbolic. Do any of those men cry out to the Father, or is he strangely absent? The Holy Trinity is Father, Son and Holy Ghost, not just the son.

I can do all things through him [God] who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13

It is only by God that we, or Jesus had strength. God is not brought up once in those movies.

God is not brought up once in those movies.

Remember how we were talking about symbolism?

Terminator Salvation (Salvation, get it). You're expecting it to be a story about a guy called John that has quite a following (not a babtist but remember, SYMBOLISM) then this guy turns up called Marcus Wright (rhymes with...). This Marcus guy gets tied up with his arms outstretched & SACRIFICES himself, giving his heart (his love), for the SALVATION of all mankind.

Maybe you're right. It was probably just a film about shooting bad robots.

Who deals in hidden [occult] symbolism is not mirroring Jesus. Getting back on topic, Superman has a pentagram on his chest and the Sun gives him power, not God. Who else gives such credit to the sun? Masons.

Superman has a pentagon on his chest. You only get a pentagram if you draw one on. I'm not saying everything about Superman symbolises Jesus, the Dean Cain TV show was quite light on biblical references, but the Man of Steel film definitely is. Whether or not it is heresy to do that is beside the point. Man of Steel definitely references Jesus at several point. The crucified pose & his age are no coincidence.

Why does the sun give him power, and not God as is mentioned in the scripture? Superman doesn't even credit his own father, he credits the sun. IN DIRECT CONTRADICTION TO SCRIPTURE.

only get a pentagram if you draw one on

For someone so keen on symbolism, it sure is hard to take you seriously after this gem.

The holy trinity is nothing more than a ploy to push polytheism to a monotheistic people.

The movie was obviously written with Christian subtexts.

No, it wasn't.

Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride in possessions—is not from the Father but is from the world. And the world is passing away along with its desires, but whoever does the will of God abides forever. - 1 John 2:15-17

We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one. - 1 John 5:19

If Hollywood put it out, it's not of God. This movie was never marketed as a Christian movie.

I'm not seeing the bit in that bible quote where it says Man of Steel doesn't reference Jesus. In fact, I don't think the bible mentions any movies at all.

Not being obviously marketed as a Christian film doesn't mean it's not a Jesus allegory.

Are you in denial? I'm using scripture to directly contradict the bullshit you think those movies mean. You're seeing what you want to see. The bible came out first, how is the bible supposed to mention movies? Are you some kind of idiot?

Whether or not those movies align perfectly with every interpretation of every part of the Bible is immaterial. They're telling their own story & may have many different sub-texts. But they all reference the story of Jesus whether Jesus likes it or not.

"I'll see connections where none exist regardless of proof contrary to suite my own ignorance about these subjects" is all I read.

"I'll see connections where none exist regardless of proof contrary to suite my own ignorance about these subjects" is all I read.

NO U!

‘I think the relationship between Jesus and Superman is not a thing we invented in this film, it is a thing that has been talked about since the creation of Superman'

• Zack Snyder, Director, Man of Steel

This movie was never marketed as a Christian movie.

Apart from when it was.

http://manofsteelresources.com

You still haven't refuted the contradictions stating the exact opposite.

I haven't seen any evidence to refute. If you're on about the bits of Bible you quoted, you covered that yourself when you said the bible was written earlier than Man if Steel therefor couldn't possibly have mentioned anything about Man of Steel.

You don't need written permission from God to symbolise Jesus in a movie.

You're.... really, really ignorant. You obviously know nothing about the Bible, Free Masonry or the occult, or you would know these movies have nothing to do with Jesus, but the Anti-Christ. Get your head out of your ass.

These movies could be written, directed & produced by the antichrist & filmed in occult-o-scope. It wouldn't change that fact that they're riddled with Christian imagery & symbolism.

Anti-Christian imagery & symbolism.

FTFY

Edit:

Masonic sun worship - "In the mythology of the primitive world, the serpent is universally the symbol of the sun...The serpent was universally represented by the sun symbol, the circle or disk. - Bishop Alexander Hislop"

Superman Wiki: "Living Solar Battery – Superman's powers rely on his cells' ability to absorb and metabolize solar energy from local stars like Earth's sun."

He then brought me into the inner court of the house of the LORD, and there at the entrance to the temple, between the portico and the altar, were about twenty-five men. With their backs toward the temple of the LORD and their faces toward the east, they were bowing down to the sun in the east. - Ezekiel 8:16

Just one more:

He did away with the pagan priests appointed by the kings of Judah to burn incense on the high places of the towns of Judah and on those around Jerusalem--those who burned incense to Baal, to the sun and moon, to the constellations and to all the starry hosts. - 2 Kings 23:5

Yeah, totally Christian.

You seem to be confusing the idea of symbolising the story of Jesus & making an accurate cinematic representation of the entire bible. Man of Steel is not an accurate cinematic representation of the entire bible, it's a film about a super hero, from the comics, that references Jesus in many ways.

I'm pretty sure Lois Lane wears mixed cloth but the fact that she is not called out on it doesn't mean Man of Steel doesn't reference Jesus.

No sun, no powers, no Superman, no Jesus allegory. You can safely assume the sun is the God of Superman.

that references Jesus in many ways.

It references the mystery religions more accurately, but you insist on giving credit to the Bible? I have yet to see you confirm anything you say using the Bible itself. For someone claiming to know Christian symbolism, you'd think that the Bible would be useful to you, but all I see is conjecture and misguided opinion. Brush up on your theological knowledge before trying to engage in the subject, else you may end up looking like an even bigger fool.

"I think the relationship between Jesus and Superman is not a thing we invented in this film..."

You tried using that quote to prove a point? Just amazing.

I would've thought you were familiar enough with the bullet points of the Jesus story.

-Miracle birth

-Raised by a woman with an 'M' name & a man with a 'J' name

-Did good

-Betrayed

-Crucified (aged 33)

-Resurrected

I'm not going to look for passages that back this up.

What I have done is pointed out the times when Man of Steel does similar things to the Jesus story & provided a quote from the creator of the film saying that there is a Jesus connection & that connection has been there for a long time before this film was made.

The mythos of Superman was created by Jews. Jews do not recognize Jesus. FFS dude...

It's flattering that you think Superman is preaching the gospel. I guess when the anti-christ arrives you will eat it up just the same. I pity you.

I'm not going to look for passages that back this up.

Because you know nothing about the Bible.

I don't think Superman is preaching the gospel.

Not too up on early Superman but IIRC it was written created by a couple of US Jewish immigrants that used bits of the old testament & bits of their story as outsiders in a new land.

Since Jesus was Jewish, I don't think this precludes Man of Steel from symbolising the life of Jesus. Especially since the maker if the film has specifically said that it symbolises the life of Jesus.

Why would Jews make a movie about someone they don't believe in? Do you know how the Judaic religion works....at all? I already know you know jack shit about the bible, also pagan religions, and now Judaism? What's next? Superman is actually Allah?

the maker if the film has specifically said that it symbolises the life of Jesus.

Source?

I don't know what you're finding so hard to grasp. Jews not believing in Jesus doesn't mean a character created by a couple of Jewish guys can't be used to symbolise Jesus.

Here's a couple of sources.

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/06/14/showbiz/zack-snyder-man-of-steel/?c=&page=1

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/religion/christianity/superman-director-zack-snyder-compares-man-steel-jesus-video

That's the director of that particular movie, not the creator of Superman. Was Superman originally made to be about Jesus?

It's the movie we've been talking about. Superman was not created as an allegory for Jesus, it was a mix of Moses & Samson by the looks of things. But this film, the film we've been talking about this whole time, the film in the title of this thread, is an allegory for Jesus.

"So rather than be snarky and say that doesn't exist, we thought it would be fun to allow that mythology to be woven through."

That sounds like "well, since there's already a preconceived notion, we'll roll with it."

"What is personal to you or to someone who sees a Christ story or someone who doesn’t, it might affect the way they see the movie in a different way,"

And that sounds like, "if you see Jesus, good for you. but many people won't"

He never mentions the Jesus parallel as intentional.

Let's compare:

Jesus' birth was announced to Mary and Joseph beforehand | Superman's parent never got anything

Jesus was sent by his father from heaven | Superman was sent by both his parents who died

Jesus was born of a virgin | Superman landed on a space ship and was adopted

Jesus was betrayed by one of his twelve apostles | Superman... had no posse and gave up on life?

Jesus was tried and prosecuted | Superman.... got pouty and ran away?

Jesus was tortured and crucified | Superman... flailed around in space?

Jesus died and was buried | Superman still chilling in space

Jesus resurrected after the third day | Superman... still being useless

Jesus later ascended back into heaven | Superman never left Earth

Oh yeah, Superman is definitely Jesus. Nevermind that the Jesus story is older than Jesus himself.

I know the Jesus story is easy older than Jesus. Man of Steel isn't a blow by blow recreation of the life of Jesus, I never said it was, I put great effort into making you understand that is not what I was saying. It references Jesus in several places, along with a few other things, while telling its own story.

Mere similarities in out of context situations while not maintaining the narrative counts as a reference now? That's called "reaching".

That's what a reference is. If it was all in the context of the Jesus story, it wouldn't be a reference, it would be a film of the new testament.

I think it's incredible that you've maintained your view despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

I'm going to stop talking about this now because any sensible person can see what I'm saying is correct. Either you're not sensible or you don't know what some of the words mean.

Evidence? Where? I've cited the bible itself, other esoteric documents AND a side by side comparison of the two stories, directly contradicting your nonsense. Based on what you said, any movie where some guy gets crucified or makes the pose of a cross is insinuating the story of Jesus. Absolute nonsense. Try harder, son.

Here are a few other stories that predate Jesus.

Horus 25th Dec Born of virgin. 3 Kings, Star in East. 12 disciples Healed sick, walked on water. Betrayed, Crucified & Resurrected

Attis 25th Dec. Born of virgin. Star in East. 12 disciples. Heaed sick, walked on water. Betrayed, Crucified & Resurrected.

Mithra 25th Dec. Born of virgin. Star in East. 12 disciples Healed sick, walked on water. Betrayed, Crucified & Resurrected.

Krishna 25th Dec. Born of virgin. 3 Kings. Star in East. 12 disciples Healed sick, walked on water. Betrayed, Crucified & Resurrected.

Zarathustra 25th Dec. Born of virgin. Star in East. 12 disciples Healed sick, walked on water. Slain & Resurrected.

These are some of the reasons I find it difficult to take the story of Jesus seriously as a historical document.

And that's why I find it difficult to believe Superman has anything to do with Jesus, Superman being the story with the least amount of similarities.

Hollywood is utterly obsessed with Jesus. Every hero in Hollywood is basically just a Jesus analogy these days. On top of that, Superman was originally written as a Jesus analogy.

So the bit where he was sent down to earth, by his father, to act as an example to all of us, and that bit where he floated out of the space ship with his arms outstretched in a crucified pose, we're probably masonic things too. Right?

No, it wasn't.

Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride in possessions—is not from the Father but is from the world. And the world is passing away along with its desires, but whoever does the will of God abides forever. - 1 John 2:15-17

We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one. - 1 John 5:19

If Hollywood put it out, it's not of God. This movie was never marketed as a Christian movie.

Mere similarities in out of context situations while not maintaining the narrative counts as a reference now? That's called "reaching".