We need to help share this information we have all stumbled across over the years.

Those old guys have lived through it all, the assassinations, Vietnam War, Watergate, Iran/Contra, 9/11 and the Iraq War.

I was surprised how few knew of the USS Liberty incident

Almost no one seems to know about the U.S.S. Liberty Attack.

Well, of course not! It was covered up at the highest levels in one of the biggest criminal moves a president (LBJ) has EVER made. Sickening.

The only people to tell the truth about it, two Israeli pilots, were jailed for 18 years...just because they were silly enough to think that Israel was the US' ally. Hahaha, yeah RIGHT.

Even fewer know about the "Bromberg Massacre"--the event that took place from July to September 1940 in which 58,000 ethnic Germans who lived in the Danzig corridor were slaughtered by Jewish Polish partisans. It was the "real" reason for the invasion of Poland. Once the invasion was announced 5,800 Germans alone were killed that weekend.

Didn't read about THAT one in school I'd bet, hmmm?

That incident gets a lot more mention than the attack on the Marine Barracks in Lebanon, 1983.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombing

I was in a mostly white women's day spa / hair salon and you should hear how many older women think the govt is behind 9/11. The younger women were kind of listening real hard & positively chiming in, but It is awesome to see it start to pour out.

That is some good news, at least people are talking, in public!

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You have my sympathies, madame.

Don't confuse 911 truth with the government. It was carried out by a few traitors like Bush, Cheney, rumsfeld, and Tenet, using Mossad to carry it out. They didn't and couldn't trust the US government to do it. Too likely someone, or many someones would tell. Few Americans would participate in the murder of thousands of innocent Americans. That is why they used Mossad.

Key words here are Compartmentalized Black-Op. Most likely executed by private organizations under Mossad/NSA/CIA contract.

A good pop-culture example of just such a Compartmentalized Black-op in an otherwise bad movie was the cyberattack from Live Free or Die Hard.

All the hard parts of the multi-faceted attack were farmed out to hackers around the world who, for all they knew, were working on a programming puzzle, but they were just building the pieces without ever seeing or even being aware the bigger puzzle existed...and once those were finished and collected, they killed those hackers to erase the traces.

I believe the only "contract" was a verbal one between Bush and Sharon. The NSA does electronic spying, not ops, so they weren't involved. Even the CIA had only a few people at the very top who knew.

If you think W. sat in on the planning, I'm afraid you have a ways to go still in your research. If the attacks had not been planned from within (or at the very least in conjuction with) the NSA they would have intercepted the communications & sounded the alarms. I assure you they are involved in much more than we are lead to believe. The fact of the matter is information control is their game. Intelligence gathering is just step one. I imagine it going something like this: Mossad - Instigation & Financing; NSA - Planning & Oversight; CIA - Operations

Yes. Bush knew though he was incapable of planning himself.

No. You forget that Americans have some loyalty. Why do you think we know the names Manning and Snowden. If more than a few people at the top had known they would have told.

And in 2001 NSA was not the traitor organization it is today. It was focused out, not in. Still it does not do ops.

in 2001 NSA was not the traitor organization it is today.

Yeah...Ok.

For me, that is so strange to hear as I can't recall being around any group of people that were not mostly anti-gov or at least cynical of it. This includes Feds and military, young and old, dems and reps.

One of my peeves with this sub is the idea that being anti-gov is unique rather than the vast majority (since America's foundation). But perhaps just by the chance of the people I am around.

California?

Unfortunately, it is my generation (20-30) that swallow the pill far to easily.

As an old person let me advise you not to be surprised by old people who have accepted the truth. And once we do we remember so many other lies than younger people do. Also old people are usually retired so we don't need to keep our mouths shut to keep a job. We can become very radical.

No, old people have seen more shit so they know for a fact that you cannot believe what the government says is true.

Excellent news.

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You got my upvote but just wanted to say that I'm old by just about any standard you want to use and I spent 2002 to 2010 talking to anyone I could about how the official story of 9/11 was hogwash.

I stopped when I realised hardly anyone was listening and the doc said my blood pressure was creeping into the danger zone. Since then my BP is 120/90 but I still drink a bit too much.

As Yogi Berra said: If people don't want to come out to the ballpark, how are you going to stop 'em?

Never forgive and never forget.

Some old dude

i find myself (23) talking to at least 1 or 2 older people about 9/11 or government corruption a day when im working.. the awakening is happening...also any1 watched any footage of the planes lately its starting to look like n64 graphics the way the plane melts right through the building

My parents who are 50 and 48 knew that the push the push for war on Syria was just a front to get to Iran. That surprised the hell out of me that is for dam sure.

They may not be able to do much about it but more and more people are waking up which is the first step towards change.

Iran and Syria signed a mutual defense pact together in 2007, Israel and the US needs to castrate Syria before doing anything to Iran.

otherwise two million people with guns could be mobilized, and the only way to stop a two million man army is nukes, that would look very bad on TV. the world would likely impose immediate sanctions on Israel and the US.

nukes being used to kill 100s of thousands would not be tolerated by the world.

It's pretty much publicly accepted among the older generations that the official Kennedy assassination story is a crock of shit. Nobody will bat an eye or think you're nuts if you tell them you don't believe the government's official explanation.

Well, ever since the US House of Representatives Select Committee on Assassinations concluded that the Kennedy assassination was most probably a criminal conspiracy I think that most people were convinced.

define "old people"

Took em long enough! Just kidding, it's great to see people question things like that, especially at an age where many people perceive you as close-minded.

Kind of sad in a way though. I remember September 11, 2001 very clearly and I can still recall hearing on that very day that there's no way jet fuel would melt steel, physically impossible. Some people were speculating that maybe there were bombs planted in the tower, but all talk of that was quickly drowned out. MSM is great at burying facts and not asking tough questions. It's clear who they serve.

I'm hopeful and excited for more leaks. It would be a great thing for people all over the world if we actually heard the truth. Like, game changing information. I can't help but grin just thinking about what might happen!

MSM is great at burying facts and not asking tough questions.

thats what they did to the JFK affair, careful propaganda over decades to turn an obvious conspiracy into a lone gunman thing.

everybody believed LHO was not alone back then, now its cannon (at least to keep your job) to go along with the MSM version.

My grandmother, probably like a lot of other grandmothers, is always saying, "You should or shouldn't do this or that ...I saw it on the news/read it in the paper." However, she's very wary of "official" reports/conclusions made on certain events; 9/11 is one of those events. She doesn't pretend to know any of the "why's," but she knows some of the "how's" just don't add up. Plus, this is all before she ever logged onto the Internet (she got an iPad a little over a year ago). I'm not trying to say my grandmother is a genius and independently put the pieces together or anything. However, I am saying that, yes, senior citizens know that if it sounds like a duck, but doesn't look like a duck —it might not be a duck.

Tell him that its ridiculous to think the heat of jet fuel could melt the steel girders. But what anyone should know is that the building was covered in Thermite, it was a planned demolition.

God there are some idiots posting here. 9/11 was orchestrated by Osama bin Laden and Al-Qaeda, they took responsibility, counter to claims by Loose Change

Older people tend, from my experience, to still trust that the media is there to inform them. They come from a time when it did just that. That said, it's nice that at least this guy has not swallowed the bullshit.

Do not.

Do not..?

..trust that the media is there to inform them.

The ones I'm around sure do. Every time I go into the front room, Fox is on at super high volume, all of them glued to it as if it's life or death. Seeing this, while saddening, is understandable. Like I said, this is from my own experience, which is why it's refreshing to read OP's story.

Wow. Good to hear there are people waking up, young and old alike.

And for the record, jet fuel burns somewhere between 800-1200℉, while steel begins to melt at around 2500℉...

Some of those men have seen their friends die in a war they now know was pointless. They have more reason to question than the younger generation.

Well it seems like a matter of science and not so much conspiracy. Either it can or it can't melt steel. So, can it or not?

try kerosine then, pour some on your grill and light it, watch nothing happen.

First of all, the towers fell from the bottom. In my opinion, jet fuel could not of burned all the way to the bottom and burn huge metal girders from one single airplane. There is simply not enough to make a skyscraper that big just fall straight down. Then happen again to the other building. Oh, lets not forget building number 7. WTF??

surpsising, most fossils are content with their fantacy land.

So it turns out old people are equally as gullible as younger people with no scientific background. Who knew?

So? There are apparently 1% of engineers who back that silly WTC 7 ad. So they're not all right in the head.

You assume incorrectly as well. I said the younger people had no scientific background. I should have corrected you earlier. My bad.

I guess we're all retarded.

Sadly, I just read an article that put O'Reilly as the most trusted news source for elderly Americans. Although Colbert was the most trusted for the youngest adults which is kind of sweet.

I don't like Colbert because he's a Republican strawman. As if the republicans weren't good enough strawmen for conservatism to begin with.

I was always kind of leery of Colbert because I thought he was intended to be a PARODY of a Republican strawman.

Actually, I've always enjoyed Colbert just because I thought he was meant to be a "parody" of a Republican strawman. I thought that was part of the joke...hell, I sure hope it is. Because, if not, I'm gonna be sick...

A strawman is almost a parody to begin with, so yeah

Do not..?