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and I think most Christians realize at least to some extent how much their religion has been altered / edited over the years to fit the motives of whoever is in power at the time.

You must not know that many Christians.

I do, and the majority of them recognize that Christianity has frequently been altered at least to fit the people and accommodate for changing cultures. They agree that in the past people have used the church to control people and to grow wealthy and powerful, etc.

Although, try telling them the same thing about the rapture, etc, and they don't take it nearly as well. We're all fine with agreeing that things were corrupt and bad a few hundred years ago, but when it starts affecting stuff we believe in now... That goes for everyone, though.

I think modern christians see the religion in a very granular way. As in, they don't relate their individual practice to the larger organism of Christianity. They and their friends are the "real christians" and everyone else is either doing it wrong or not quite right.

They aren't actively evaluating the diaspora of their religion and its context in the world at large. So, I don't think the majority of them realize how much their religion has been manipulated nor do they care because they don't think that greater body of practice has anything to do with what they individually practice. It has been a work in progress which they now have correct, past versions and concurrent versions are irrelevant.

Yeah, I can definitely see that. In fact, that's probably how I tend to see it as well. I'll believe what I believe and everybody else is the other. That said, Christianity is hardly a monolith of thought. I mean, even Jesus' divinity isn't agreed upon within Christianity. (Or even whether Jesus and Christ are the same thing. Or if the Bible is to be taken literally or not. Or whether homosexuals should be punished or not. Or whether Christians should try to use the state to promote their morals, etc.) So I really find no reason to associate myself and my beliefs with those groups I do not give credence to, in anything but the most basic ways. (Mostly in terminology and a basic connection to the Gospels.)

But I'd never thought about that before, mostly because those first couple sentences kind of accurately described the was I see it. (saw, maybe, now) Although I wouldn't have gone as far to say that I'm a real Christian and only people that agree with me are real Christians.

Anyway, enough religion. Enjoy your upvote. Let's get back to the NWO. lol

My main beef with religion is that it divides and distracts the masses from the real problems in the current world. Onward to the NWO my faithful compatriot! We can argue about god when they are dead.

Or maybe the average Christian's understanding of the exploitation of Christianity corresponds more closely to reality than yours does? Fucking derp....

It's not off limits, it's just obvious bullshit. Someone hopes to make a lot of money with a book purporting to reveal some mind-blowing secret about Jesus ... him, and about a thousand other writers. Remember the supposed Bible code? Every month another writer comes out with another unsupported theory. I say, read them for entertainment, but don't take them seriously.

"the New Testament was written by first-century Roman aristocrats and that they fabricated the entire story of Jesus Christ."

To bad the actual story line of Jesus is older than first century BC.

Yeah they stole the story of a messiah being born of a virgin from a much older culture.

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Ancient Egyptian gods, like Horus, and ancient Indian gods like Krishna were born of virgins.

how do you know?

The story was perverted but the actual person did exist.

http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?q=Jesus

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I highly doubt the OP will put as much effort into bashing that crowd.

By the way, I think the whole reptilian thing is only a slight misdirection. In my opinion, it came out of the brotherhood of the snake, the dragon societies, satanists/luciferians (garden of Eden snake), etc. There is a huge body of literature that everyone is ignoring. Reptilians aren't literally reptiles, they just metaphorically follow "the snake." See ancient Egypt.

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I can't tell if you're making the claim that reptilians literally exist or not. You're entitled to your opinion, but I disagree. That was the point of my post; to provide my opinion on "reptilians" and where the concept came from. The same goes for your rabbit holes. People used to think that women would shape shift into rabbits, which I think was just a misdirection of the symbolism. Follow the rabbit to knowledge (the matrix and Alice in wonderland resurrected this)

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Well you're talking to somebody who does nothing but read. Everyone gets a chance, so what am I missing?

wut

The theory of Ceasar's Messiah was discussed here a bit. It's not off limits AFAIK

This "conspiracy" is self-contradictory and hence pretty unlikely. The supposed purpose was to pacify the Jewish people by planting a new religion that would encourage peace and supplication to Earthly government (Rome)... except that was not a key teaching in Jesus ministry. It would also be exceedingly unlikely for such a thing to take off and succeed, and if it did, it could easily morph into something else even something violent. The last thing a sensible government wants is a unified and motivated people interested in changing the world. Who could trust such people to be peaceful? That is likely the reason that the Roman government did not support it when it took off among the Roman population, but persecuted it mightily instead. If it was good enough to pacifiy Jews, why not Roman citizens? That is probably the most devastating argument against this silly idea. The main reason this idea keeps coming up is that it gets ignorant atheists with poor critical thinking skills excited.

I think its an interesting concept. Not sure if i subscribe to the belief or not. but interesting nonetheless.

The reason i dont subscribe to this belief as written, is because the whoke christian faith was based off of pagan belief systems that are far older than christianity itself. The foundations of christianity lie in the very pagans they murdered during their conquest called the inquisition. But the copy-and-paste religion we call christianity was doctored up before the inquisition, when conventions were called by the heads of the church to debate which books were to be included into the bible, and which ones were to be omitted. Google the apocrypha forbmore info on that.

Point is, christianity was editted long before the romans got a hold of it (i think the emporer constantine made it the official religion of rome? Correct me if im wrong on that...) But, thats not to say the romans didnt edit it to their benefit for the enslavement of their populace. Thats not the same as "inventing" jesus, but instead exaggerating him.

I think this conspiracy seems to be "off limits" because there are a bunch of religious people on this sub. No one likes their religion to be potentially debunked. No one likes their religions accuracy to he debunked, either. And thats okay. But it shouldnt stop others from discussing the details and coming to other than accepted conclusions..

More of this again. I wouldn't say it's off limits, but more dividing the community. Christians are allies in this community. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. They are a pretty huge front that kind of slows down the speed that the US government can roll out "change." Or progress, whatever euphemism you like.

I thought this community (that of conspiracy theorists) required the capacity for clear, free, critical thought. In what way would Christians be allies?

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Everyone has their own motivations. For instance: the Christians believe installing RFID chips into everyone would be "the mark of the beast." I certainly don't want to be tagged like a dog, so I'm glad they believe this. The government will need to come up with a damn good reason to chip everyone instead of just making a few cartoons and movies showing how cool it is to be chipped.

Right. Use them the same way the politicians do. Gotcha.

I'm not using anybody. They are just a group of people who have different reasons for opposing the same group. I understand the newest craze today is bashing religion, I used to myself, but more important things are going on. Stop worrying about people's interpretation of ancient texts and try to compromise and come together. Christians had a huge part in exposing the NWO. Give them credit.

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It comes down to your approach. I personally think it would be much easier to convince somebody that preacher A and B are fake than it would be to convince them that their entire religion is fake. But personally, I think most of the people who spend all of that time trying to convert people to atheism are really just being condescending because it makes them feel smart. I highly doubt most "converters" really want to change the world for the better. I know from being one myself and it took a while for me to admit it.

Just for the record, historically, Christianity has taught that Zionists are in bed with the NWO, but they will get back stabbed. There is tons of disinfo out there now, but if you are interested, I can find some quotes by Iraneus, who wrote around 150 AD. That guy laid out the traditional view.

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Christian - someone who believes the bullshit the various Christian religions spew.

All Christian religions are based upon The Bible which itself is fiction and, even if you don't accept that, self-contradictory and therefore clearly false. If you question that The Bible is self-contradictory, please read it. Yourself. Instead of asking someone else to translate it for you. Just read it.

Anyway, Christians, therefore, do not possess the capacity for critical thought - to discern bullshit from truth.

Not allies - if we accept the notion that the community of conspiracy theorists necessarily means we need critical thinkers, then Christians aren't allies.

Now we can see your real motivations for this post. You want to sit there and circle jerk about how much smarter you are because you don't fall for the "bullshit that they spew." You're only going make them hate you. If you really wanted to change minds, you wouldn't be such a condescending dick.

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Thanks :)

I don't care about changing minds.

Dumb people are dumb. They get what they deserve for being dumb. If they want better, they should make themselves smarter.

What's the point of your post? It's just going to be you and the few other condescending douchebags that sit in a circle stroking each other off about how much better you are than Christians. That's pretty sad.

The sad thing is they don't want to be educated. You can lead a horse to water and all that good shit...

There's plenty of highly educated Christians. I know daddy beat the shit out of you, but it's ok. You don't have to pretend to be smart to make up for it. It wasn't your fault.

Daddy is an atheist too, thanks.

There may be highly educated Christians. Degrees and all sorts of shit. They just cannot think critically. They cannot discern fantasy from reality.

You are a hate baiter. I invited your post, because all conspiracies deserve a chance to be critically viewed. But you are here to whip anyone you can (yourself included) into a froth.

It is exhausting. And frivolous.

I really wish those atheist people wouldn't be so pious and condescending the whole time. Makes them look really unpleasant and actually makes the religious lot look more appealing.

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You haven't offended me. You've entertained me.

Not that it's any of your business, but nobody beat me.

but the law of the lord, is to love

See, that's what people who interpret The Bible say, but that's not what The Bible actually says. Nor what actually happens.

Because I believe The Christ was here

That's where your problem begins. Christ was no more here than Sigurd was. Or Heracles. Or any of the other myths men made up around the same time to explain shit they couldn't explain.

The only difference between Christianity and those others is the location in which you were born, in both space and time. Had you been born in northern Europe 1,500 years ago, you would be talking about Thor and Odin. Had you been born in the Middle East at the exact same time you were now, you'd be talking about Mohammed.

Think about that.

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Are you trying to tell me what I believe?

You said what you believe. I didn't have to tell it to you. You said it yourself. Read the text of yours I quoted.

You are dismissed

Typical response to cognitive dissonance.

So you took the whole line out of context and grabbed just the part you wanted?

No the rest of it was religious brainwashed bullshit that wasn't worth responding to.

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how HEARSAY is handled

Hersey, you mean? Yes, those who believe in their religious teachings must dismiss or fight anything that contradicts their religion because they find cognitive dissonance something between uncomfortable and painful. That is why most are indoctrinated as children - when they still believe everything their authority figures told them.

The alternative, of course, were a religion actually true, would be to teach its children to pursue to the greatest extent possible evidence and truth. To learn critical thinking skills so they can determine for themselves when statements are accurate and when they are inaccurate. To teach children how to test statements and evidence for accuracy.

But that's not what happens in any religion, is it?

What makes you think you are imparting cognitive dissonance?

Your reactions.

Questions:

If you had been born in 1,500 years ago in northern Europe, what would your religion be? Would you be as certain in it as you are in your current religion?

If you had been born at the same time but in Pakistan, what would your religion be? Would you be as certain in it as you are in your current religion?

Why do you think those things?

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Oh, you were actually talking about statements for which no evidence exists?

Like those long, rambling statements you made a few posts back?

Can you show any evidence that Christ existed? Or that God exists?

Edit: Also, why didn't you answer my questions? I'll post them here for you again.

Questions:

• If you had been born in 1,500 years ago in northern Europe, what would your religion be? Would you be as certain in it as you are in your current religion?

• If you had been born at the same time but in Pakistan, what would your religion be? Would you be as certain in it as you are in your current religion?

• Why do you think those things?

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I didn't ask for proof of belief. I asked for proof of the thing believed in. There's a difference.

Did I get owned?

That's laughable, especially since you're not answering my questions. Why not? Afraid of the answers? Cognitive dissonance preventing you from considering them honestly?

tips fedora

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Hi there, Christian. Enjoy your delusion.

I agree, we should follow the evidence, wherever it may lead.

I'm kind of more on this side of the fence, but being open goes both ways, and if someone wants to be religious I'm cool with that. ... I just don't like incredibly zealous articles / videos / discussions proclaiming that the order is a satanic cult and such.

Christians are allies in this community.

There are no "allies" - you either seek the truth in all things in a rational way or you don't. What's the point of thinking that 9/11 was an inside job if you still believe in supernatural deities?

The Christian, Jewish and Muslim religions set up to promote the iron-age desert gods are the greatest conspiracies ever foisted on mankind.

If you are still in thrall to an organised religion conspiracy, you cannot be an independent thinker. Throw away the dogma that others have imprinted on your mind and think for yourself, rationally.

This is getting a little off topic. My argument has nothing to do with which religion is correct, if any. I'm simply stating my belief that bashing religion might be counterproductive in a community designed (if youll allow me to claim this, I know we are all different) to expose the government. Also, there is a wide range of beliefs in Christianity, so you can't claim they are irrational or unwilling to "see the truth." For all we know, we could be on a farm planet and are extremely stupid in comparison to our alien owners. Maybe we are all wrong. The more you know, the more you realize you don't know. That should be a personality trait (humbleness) obvious in anyone claiming to have some kind of "superior" understanding of the universe.

I would say the purpose of this subreddit is to expose all conspiracies, not just government conspiracies.

Organised religions have controlled whole populations with absurd rules and dogma for many centuries.

The Universe is a great and unfathomable mystery, and somehow you think your local pastor has the answers?

Deal with the uncertainty, and reject those that claim to have the answers - they're charlatans and fakers, the lot of them.

I don't have a local pastor and I'm simply providing a strategic way of thinking about this than simply attempting to smash every conspiracy there is. I think we should concentrate on getting a transparent government in this sub and leave the religion bashing (or whatever you call it) to other subs. If you would pay attention to some of the videos of the anti-NWO Christians, you would see that they derive a tremendous amount of confidence from their religion. Do what you will, I'm simply providing my perspective.

what? they largely vote mindlessly red. it's one of the main reasons why any poor people or minorities are on the side of the GOP, ever since Falwell and his cohorts in the 80s.

Stupid people come in all shades. A smart person would know that.

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"the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion"

Treaty of Tripoli, receiving ratification unanimously from the U.S. Senate on June 7, 1797, and signed by Adams, taking effect as the law of the land on June 10, 1797.

Ratified by John Adams and several other signatories to both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

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What is "Christian" if not a moniker of the followers of the hundreds of branches of the Catholic church, each branch of which diverged at various points in the last 2000-ish years, and which is a religion?

Thank you. Never heard of that.

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The "Golden Rule" is not, in and of itself, a Christian-created notion.

Nor is it a very good way to live. Treat everyone as you'd like to be treated, sure, until they fuck with you. Then you gotta do what you gotta do.

I wouldn't want to have someone shoot me. But if someone is dumb enough to invade my house and threaten myself or my family, I'm gonna shoot 'em.

Golden rule only goes so far.

*born

The bible is the foundational legal basis of the united states. The bible encodes american common law in the 10 commandments.

Pretty nifty trick, ancient Israelites anticipating English common law. Can you talk about common law cause of action for coveting your neighbor's ass?

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They wrote the ten commandments

The bible is the foundational legal basis of the united states.

If you illegitimize the bible you illegitimize the legal foundations of the declaration of independence and the constitution.

I'm sorry to say this but if you believe this you are catastrophically misinformed. This is just complete nonsense.

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You believe what you believe in the total absence of facts. Nobody can help you shake your delusion, apart from yourself.

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Daddy is an atheist too, thanks.

There may be highly educated Christians. Degrees and all sorts of shit. They just cannot think critically. They cannot discern fantasy from reality.