I understand exactly where you're coming from but, on a related level, if there is truly some type of Zionist backed manipulation of reddit which we should not be halted from condemning it as such.

As you rightly point out there is a huge distinction between Jewish people and zionists, I myself am Jewish but as anti-zionist as one could be.

But I am highly suspicious of what is going on in bestof with regards to your comment, and the general theme of the zionist regime. Yes it's back now, but it was removed right as it was the at the top of /r/all to prevent dissemination. That's an affront to how reddit works.

And now look at the top post there at the moment-http://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/1q16h4/uemr1028_effectively_sums_up_wwi_era_influence_on/, it is a comment which blames the arabs for failing to accept the creation of the state of israel as a result of British imperial lies.

There is some serious bullshit going on indeed, and more than boycotting reddit gold is necessary. The people who censor for profit need to be shamed and shamed into obscurity.

First: I don't support censorship, and I wouldn't support your voice being silenced. However, please take the following on board:

Look, more than likely, I think what happened is that one or a few of the mods didn't like my post because they are personally a supporter of Israel, and read what I wrote as "propaganda" against the state of Israel.

This is obvious nonsense. As I have stated elsewhere on reddit and as you can probably infer, the post had about 30 readers when I made my comment. I wrote it as I was taking a shit. I am not some mastermind.

But just as I am not a mastermind, neither is the mod who removed my post. He is just a guy, or she is just a girl.

He or she is wrong, and I will make it a point to demonstrate that using the resources I have available to me. But it is a mistake to believe that they are any more (or less) powerful than they actually are.

The problem with reddit isn't that it is run by Zionists. The problem with reddit is that unaccountable people hold veto power of content. That goes against the whole point of the site. However, I think that is something within our power to change, should we be persuasive and present viable alternatives.

Currently, I think we should encourage people to stop buying reddit gold until the admins step up and fix the moderation system. Should that fail, we should loudly advocate for our just build a better alternative.

Digg failed because of shit like this. Let's not believe that Digg was also an all powerful Zionist entity.

In my mind, the problems facing the world aren't magical or mystical or even mysterious. They make sense. It is clear which incentives are motivating people to fuck the world up. There is no reason it can't be changed. But as I said before, the FIRST thing you have to do is eliminate your own ignorance. First be absolutely sure that you understand the problem. Then set about solving it.

The problem with reddit is that unaccountable people hold veto power of content.

Which opens the door to payola, yea? Payola which, if we trace patterns of removal, is not that hard to induce.

Currently, I think we should encourage people to stop buying reddit gold until the admins step up and fix the moderation system. Should that fail, we should loudly advocate for our just build a better alternative.

I do agree, it's pretty clear the biggest threat to aggregates is not the format but rather the editors.

Digg failed because of shit like this. Let's not believe that Digg was also an all powerful Zionist entity.

Of course not, but digg did fail because of veiled manipulation of content for profit. I remember when it happened, started with the whole digg patriots thing and only got worse. but the bluray key censorship was the tipoff that digg was compromised internally. I've been trying to build a new aggregate for a few months now, working with some folks at the moment and you're more than welcome to join.

He is just a guy, or she is just a girl.

Just remember that Ian Chong, Saydrah and Cinsere were just "some people" until their malfeasance was exposed.

I'd love to hear more about the new aggregate you're building and see if there's anyway I can support it.

can we see what OP said???

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They didn't put it up. I took matters into my own hands. I had another post which was number one on best of, so I deleted it and put up the one they banned along with a message about how stupid their decision was. My hope is that they will delete it, as that post was quite popular and sooner or later people will either see my message or notice the post missing.

Their point was "we can do whatever we want with our subreddit." My point is "I can do whatever I want with your number one submission."

Edit; They deleted it and banned me. Nice work to them, that's what I was hoping would happen.

Edit: Oh, and get this: they deleted every post of mine that was ever there. There were 3-4 I think. Can't check now.

This is fantastic!

Brilliant.

And it's gone:

http://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/top/?sort=top&t=all

I think one of the most important things people should do around here is fully grasp the JIDF and the extent of their influence, and everything Zionism. Yes, they REALLY will go through the trouble of doing the things you think they won't.

When I grow up, I want to be just like you

Incredible post.

I would like to add to this by saying that if people come to us, seeking for truth... we should do our best to inform them. We shouldn't resort to personal attacks of any sort, and we must not pretend to be on a high horse and all-knowing.

Stick to facts and not general statements. Support your stances with credible sources if someone asks you to do so, whenever possible, and don't refuse it and push them off for asking citations. They aren't wrong for refusing to believe what we say if we cannot offer any support for it. We are skeptics and not people who stuck believing in delusions.

If there are people rejecting us and all around being a troll, it is more beneficial for us to step away from it and ignore it. We have a lot to lose here because we represent a growing number of skeptics and it is important that we stay level-headed.

We will continue to have lots of new comers soon because it is only going to become more obvious to the people... and so we have to keep in mind to make them feel welcome.

If you are making comments against a general group, like Jews, make sure to specify it as much as possible... such as extreme zionists and evidence it with videos and articles. Let's not make generalizations because all jews are not bad. It is important that new comers don't get the wrong idea and think we are some sort of hate group against a certain ethnicity.

Stay civil. The struggle has only begun.

I would like to add to this by saying that if people come to us, seeking for truth... we should do our best to inform them. We shouldn't resort to personal attacks of any sort, and we must not pretend to be on a high horse and all-knowing.

this is EXACTLY why people hate this place. they come here to look, what they find often isn't the truth. it often isn't informing. and it's handed out via personal attack from a all-knowing, neckbeard on a very, very, high horse.

This is an important point. Far too often people are quick to call out shill to anyone parroting the official story. Shills work so well because they get millions of people to believe the official story. Which means there are millions more regular people that'll believe what people of power tell them without much thought. Which also means someone parroting the official story is far more likely to be a regular person with the potential to have their minds changed. Being called a shill or any other name will only hurt that.

Your favorite bottle of whine? Change your career, maybe? ;)

what did it say??

It is still up. He edited in some other stuff but the old post is still part of it. If you can't read it, I will post up an imgur. Let me know.

its good i found it, in my comment history

I have un subscribed from /r/bestof due to this act of censorship, I no longer feel that it truly represents the best of reddit.

I am however unashamed of my hatred of Israel and anyone, jewish or otherwise that thinks it has any right to exist as a country and here's why.

I'm Japanese american, married to a japanese american. My wife's family was interred , my family was not due to the heroic actions of the mayor in the town where they lived. He said these people are as american as you or I and no one is coming into my town and taking an american anyhwere.

To show their gratitude my grandfather and his siblings enlisted in the US Army. They literally had to fight for the right to die for the country they loved. My grandfather took part in the rescue of the lost battalion in Germany. The 442nd was the most highly decorated unit in the European theater of combat. My grandfather was on of 17 men out of his company who survived this battle. He received two purple hearts.

These men were used as cannon fodder, and sacrificed their lives in order to save the Jewish people from Hitler's camps. With their own families rounded up and living in camps here, they identified with Jews.

It is a mockery of their sacrifice for the Jewish people to treat the Palestinians the same way that Hitler treated the Jews.

But it isn't "the jewish people" who are doing this. Responding with such blanket statements is the sort of thing fascists do. I do agree that the state of Israel does not have a right to exist, it was created with stolen land. Any ethnic group could lay claim to around half the landmass on Earth if they went back far enough in history.

This poster's point is that blaming the Jews is racist and doesn't strike at the truth of the matter. It is a very specific and politicized sect of Jewish people that run Israel, blame the Zionists! Blame a political group that is organizing this military, blame our government for funding it. The Jewish people are being used as a scapegoat for these people performing these atrocities because their internment is so fresh in the world's consciousness, and so blaming them can be dismissed as the same hatred that led to their genocide. You've heard the rallying cry of the people that support Israel, they shout the word Anti-Semitism with incredible frequency. Deflate the power of their defense, and criticize them directly and keep the Jewish people from your blame.

I said Jewish or otherwise. When you criticise Israel or it's policies who is the first group to jump up and instinctively shout anti-Semitism?

I see your point, but they're defending it out of misunderstanding. They aren't the reason it is what it is and it's important to avoid the whole "Us and Them" when them is an entire ethnic group.

This post should see as much light as your last.

what did it say??

You're a good dude. I really like your idea about not buying reddit gold for anyone until this bullshit censorship stops. I found it rather funny that right around the time reddit began asking for more gold, there was a rise in censorship.

It's how everything works. More money for less product.

I don't blame Israeli people or Jewish people or even American people. I blame the political ideology of Zionism. Anyone who supports that idea is complicit.

*Judeo-Christian fundamentalism is to blame as well.

I just lump the big three together now and call it "abrahamism". The world is being torn apart by one faith....Abrahamism and it's followers fighting over rocks in the desert and which episode of the trilogy is the best.

It would be like not calling anyone a star wars fan. You have the cult of star wars arguing that vader is the supreme evil. Then the empirics stating that vader was a vessel for the messianic luke. Lastly you have Returners arguing that a short furry being was living a pious life and given the true script of endor jihadism in order to save the prophet leia. But in the end it's all star wars.

Let's be honest. The people who own Reddit are Jews. The Newhouse media mogul family are Jewish. Did you seriously think that a Jewish owned media website such as Reddit would stand idly by and let statements go to the front of the page bringing to light the truth of what Jews really believe?

You are a Goyim.

As a goyim that means that every Jew thinks you are a slave meant to serve the Jews.

The Jews are God's chosen people, and you goy, should simply submit to their will.

That is one of the reasons that the majority of Jews favor strong gun control. They do not believe in the Constitution of the United States of America. They do not support freedom and liberty.

They think their Goyim slaves should be disarmed.

Masters do not allow slaves to own guns.

Jewish culture is the problem, yes. It's not really genetic. However their culture emphasizes deception, oppressing the lesser "goyim", and manipulating individuals into damaging themselves. It's a type of passed down evil that has been accepted as a cultural norm, they don't really understand that they're being evil and actually seem to revel in it. It produces sociopaths and warmongers. Jews need to be assimilated into empathetic and non-materialistic cultures to stop their constant trend of starting wars and damaging our planet. They don't want to be, though, which is a problem.

All I want for Christmas is you!

Solomon Neuhaus*

Let's be honest. The people who own Reddit are Jews.

Yeah but call it zionists for PR reasons so we can get the message out without being downvoted.

It is VERY important for you to know that your comment was one of the BEST comments that I have ever read on Israel--100% true and straight to the point. It is a place rife with disgusting people who are taught to hate from the moment they enter school as a child all through their lives. Children do not hate when they are born--they are taught to hate--which is precisely what Israel has been doing for years now.

You really must watch the movie "Defamation" by Israeli Jew Yoav Shamir (its on YouTube). He shows, without editorializing, what is wrong with Israel, how their hatred spreads to Jewish groups in America, and how "anti-semitism," while it does exist in a VERY limited fashion, is used as a "tool"--a "trick" to derail people's so-called "hostile" arguments about a brutally genocidal apartheid state. As I said, my experience there was much like yours. I am somewhat "Arab-looking" (though a Sephardic Jewish male) and I cannot even begin to tell you how much HATE was directed towards me by a large number of the people that I met--mostly young men, many IDF. When I saw that the Palestinians had to go through this every day of their lives many times per day I began to see the huge lie that Israel has become--hell, that it was founded upon.

Yoav also made a highly relevant (to this discussion) film called "Checkpoint--Israel" that has no dialog--the viewer is just shown by the camera the sheer brutality that the Palestinians are facing. It is powerful stuff and Mr. Shamir is a VERY brave and well-spoken man. Plus, he gets extra points for making the ADL look like the joke that they are (in Defamation)--like the "red scare" of the 50s they search out non-existent "anti-semitism" in every dark corner. It's actually--literally--laughable. Abe Foxman is such a fat douche--like a Jewish Rush Limbaugh. In the first film Mr. Shamir found that Israelis didn't even know what the word "anti-semitism" meant--one guy was like "Huh? Anti-semitism? Why? Jews rule the world--everybody knows that!" The filmmaker's own mother (the cutest Jewish grandma ever) states that Jews don't stay in Israel because there they have to work--unlike America where they can make money off of usury and selling liquor. Quite a telling moment in the film! She is incredulous at Israelis that move to America..."what, do they want another Hitler to round them up and kill them?" This is in Defamation and is a must-see.

It is very important though for me to clarify this--I met some of the most amazing, kind, intelligent, and hospitable people of my life there. The rabbi that I stayed with and his family are now among my best friends in the entire world. A LOT of Israelis buy into the Likudnik's hatred but, trust me, nowhere near all of them though. Israel is just like America--FULL of great people but led by murderous, abusive scumbags who are intent on ethnically cleansing their state by any means necessary.

It is NOT "anti-semitic" to report the truth. America just happens to be supporting a terror state (Israel)--it's no different than all of the other terror states that America has supported. Well, it's a little different in the fact that dual-citizens (such as Diane Feinstein) are allowed to set American policy...which should be against the law. Also that dual-citizens (or simply people who are loyal to Israel--and various sayanim) control the VAST majority of what Americans see and hear in the media every day. Thanks to people like these the meaning of "anti-semitism" was changed from "somebody who hates Jews" to "somebody that the Jews should hate." It's sad and angering.

Still, more people over there want PEACE than you would think. But in NO way, shape or form should America be supporting ANY country that racks up so many human-rights violations. We didn't stand for it when it was Africa...and we shouldn't stand for it when Israel does it either. There are no two ways about it--apartheid and outright genocide are violations of basic human rights--no matter WHO is pulling off the violations. America should cut all aid IMMEDIATELY to countries that violate the Geneva Convention on a daily basis.

Thank you SO much for your comment!! As I said before--you put into words (quite eloquently I may add!) something that I never could have. Thank you for telling the truth. Most Jews in America like myself would NEVER have known that this shit is happening unless they have actually been to Israel--and they would be shocked at how blatant and in the open it has become.

Fuck off JIDF--the truth ALWAYS comes out and Israel is finally having her 60+ YEARS of lies and deceit against Arabs and Jews alike come out into the open. It's about fucking time I'd say.

Shit, sorry for the novel! Just know that your comment was one of the best I've ever read on this site--and certainly, by far, the most accurate. Cheers my friend.

tl;dr Israel is FULL of great people but, like America, is controlled by maniacs who will not hesitate to blow up the world if it suits their desires.

judaism is just one more flavor of religious mind poison. "god says i am superior and can therefore treat outsiders like cattle and pollute the planet god gave me" will always result in anti-social behavior.

we need to be consistently against all religious separatism, and develop class consciousness. i empathize with people frustrated that many rich bankers are jewish, but they were just indoctrinated kids at one point. selfishness isn't exclusive to any tribe. our job is to free the next generation of kids from this religious and capitalist bullshit so we can share the planet without murder or ecocide.

it's only a matter of time too- genetic studies coming out show that "jewish blood" is pretend, the internet exposing kids to cool people from other groups, etc.

we're gonna win, we just gotta stay peaceful and positive.

I think you are spot on. Despite what any of us may believe, suspect or entertain, resorting to discriminatory or offensive rhetoric or remarks only harms any of our causes, as disparate as they are.

Lots of mods on a fair few subs have made some shady decisions of late too, but curtail your anger and approach the topic in a diplomatic and level-headed manner. Do not say nasty things, it won't change a single opinion and will just make you look bad.

FWIW, I do appreciate genuine efforts are hampered by trolls and provocateurs, so let's all unite to downvote those sorts of posts and focus on the civilised debates.

Cheers for taking the effort to make this post OP.

The best advice I ever got from a mod in this subreddit was,

"Do not steep to the level of thine enemy."

It's good advice, and I think there is a further issue with this sub. Quite a lot of us sometimes feel pretty pissed off about the state of the world in general, or maligned by a particular topic in hand - it sometimes inspires some pretty polemic and adversarial words to spill from our fingers. It makes this sub like a tinderbox sometimes, and it hurts discourse.

I hope to try and make an effort to maintain composure on here, and hope others do too. It's annoying being a laughing stock subreddit sometimes, but I refuse to let it sully my (and hopefully our) efforts to work some shit out.

Not saying we have the ways or means to do anything mind-blowing, but a community that shares these ideas and efforts should try and be a supportive and welcoming place, rather than a blood-brawl - even if we all may come from far different sides of the political spectrum with different personal beliefs, allegiances or ideas.

100% in agreement with you, but with one cavet.

In a world where the legacy of Edward Bernays reigns, those who are of an ethical predisposition do need tools to fight against years of abdication with regards to civic participation if they happen to encounter such impediments to cogent discourse . Polemics, when used by the benevolent to encourage sovereign thought, are a useful tool in a war that is fought via the shaping of language itself.

This is rooted of course, in the notion that republican legitimacy exists only insofar as the private deliberations of lawmakers/policy makers are congruent with the discourse of the public sphere. So the threat to discourse posed by 80 years of PR conditioning is far more destructive than polemical tools used to decondition.

Yeah, fair one. I think that was probably a poor choice of words on my part. :)

Eh I think your choice of words was fair, because really what I'm saying is that sometimes those out to further sovereign thought have to play by rules that aren't always in accord with the tenets of ethics that one would seem to be proclaiming.

'You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs' sorta thing?

I can see the value in that idea.

I agree but the ignorance that I see in others is mind boggling. I really dislike how they believe that all conspiracy is made up of, is of loons and nuts. I feel that a majority of us are just normal people who tend to question and look elsewhere for answers instead of taking everything as is and being spoon fed bull. It irks me when I see somebody say "ooh tha reptilians is going to control us if I don't find niburu and purge the world of evil govments!" when this subreddit is talked about in threads. Like do they really believe that that's what we think? I can never reply to that kind of ignorance.

The only defense is to keep being honest, with yourself and with them. My personal bet is that within the next five years there are going to be big shifts in media, and then all the dummies will tell you they "were always into conspiracies" once it becomes too obvious to ignore.

Then you will have to be patient again, and welcome them, and say that yes, they always did believe it.

95% of people are dumb. But try to keep your patience intact. If you lose your patience, you become one of that 95%.

Thank you! I've been thinking the same thing and yes I believe everybody is CAPABLE of stupidity but the one thing people lack these days is the one thing people need to keep them from doing something stupid...and that is TO THINK. I wouldn't say 95% of people are stupid when even the smartest man is capable of doing something stupid. Stupidity is in everybody.

Another excellent post. The amount of Zion shills that attacked my post in that topic are astounding. Every single one waved around a different incident in another time/part and berated me in the most condescending tone, asking i felt bad about that separate incident.

Others kept wanting to derail the conversation to Nazi relations.

You are a word smith sir, and express yourself well. upvote for you

dude, let me ask you. how many of those people do you think were actually shills?

that's another big fucking problem here. people using words like that, without knowing what they actually mean.

a shill is a disinformation agent. usually being paid for their time. a person who argues with you because they don't buy into what you buy into, isn't automatically a shill.

either way, this word needs to see a lot less daily usage.

/r/conspiracy's definition of a shill: anyone that argues with them or in any way has a different opinion.

not the case with me in this incident. ive buckled and admitted defeat (or reached a middle ground) with someone with opposing views many times. I prefer if someone disagrees with me actually, because there is a chance that my views are wrong. These people were pushing propganda and following the rules of disinformation. I think i even called one out and listed the rules he was using (to which he stopped responding afterwards)

I always notice the comments your talking about & I agree, do you notice most of the anti-semitic comments get upvoted?

I'm not sure if you've heard of Stormfront, & maybe I shouldn't even mention there name but I was thinking maybe it's just the neo-nazis from 1 of those sites coming here to influence people, & if that's what people mean by shill then sure I guess so, but I notice it too & would like to see less support for such comments,

I don't even use the term zionism because of people like them.

how many of those people do you think were actually shills?

at least half of the people that responded to me, id say. I didnt go through every indiviual person and check, mind you but from the handful i did, total shills

a shill is a disinformation agent. usually being paid for their time. a person who argues with you because they don't buy into what you buy into, isn't automatically a shill

yup, im aware. (though being paid isnt part of the criteria). A shill is a person in group, movement, cause (etc) that pushes their views without disclosing the fact that they are part of the group, movement...etc. Its not they disagreed with me, but the reasons why. Im talking about Isreal and palistine and suddenly 3 separate accounts berate me with "what about THIS incident? HMM??! Dont you feel bad?!", trying to trap me for being a hypocrite or siding with the people who committed crimes simply because of their ethnicity. and their posts only or primarily talk about that 1 subject.

And accounts who dont even post on the same subreddits suddenly converged onto that 1 topic and then each took turns using the same sort of argument as the one before after i blew one off? come on. Ive had posts that had 20+ upvotes that were quickly squashed after i expressed distaste to Isreal and a handful of people "argued" with me with my my opinion is wrong.

I never called them shills directly, though i knew what they were

either way, this word needs to see a lot less daily usage.

i will agree to that. im sure everyone at some point threw the word around haphazardly. its an easy term to fall back on if someone disagrees with you.

Thank you so much for this. So many people on this sub use the wrongdoings of Israel or the Rothschilds to blame Jews altogether.

Zionism is not a real ideology. Much like the neocons from Reagan on up, it is a religious cover for political manipulation.

TPTB have no time for ideologies or religion. I believe religion to be another form of control like any other, but the flaws of Judaism do not extend past that.

If you spend all your time trying to hunt boogeymen rooted in the Jewish faith, you'll miss the ones staring you right in the face, like the Military Industrial Complex that has a massive amount of influence and stock set in Israel's fate.

Follow the money, forget the synagogues. Religion is for the masses, not the puppet masters.

WTF is a jew? what is the definition?

It's nothing but a religious cult, like scientology.

Sooner we all just accept each other as HUMANS and completely eradicate religion, we'll have a chance.

We could literally argue for hours about what makes one a jew and what doesn't and never reach a solid conclusion, such is the tangled filth that is Judaism.

No one blames jewish people except for disinfo agents, shills, sock puppets, and instigators. Genuine conspiracy theorists know that zionism is to blame, not an entire ethnicity that has no idea what is happening at the higher levels of political/economic systems.

Make no mistake, there is a war going on for your mind. Tread carefully when you group people together, whether it be an ethnicity, or a group of people in a forum.

This Jew agrees

Excellent post

You're a legend. Here is to you.

Wasn't going to read that - skipped over it at least a dozen times. Glad I finally came back to read it.

You're a bright dude.

I think our distrust should always be guided towards entities and organizations with substantial influence and wealth not race. I'm always way more suspicious of wealthy people in general, if I personally am ever kind of bigoted then usually towards rich people. If you ask me that is their own doing, they know of history and the results of their oppression and refuse to learn. Reality might catch up to them and finally hang them. It's history, it's happened before.

The people living on the occupied land that didn't live there before 1967 are part of the problem and are just as much to blame as the government running it. There are more than just Jews in Israel.

They are, indeed.

How about some examples of such people?

Upvoting you again.

But you must understand that no matter how many times you try to make yourself clear, there are those - mainstream and otherwise - that will use your words to promote their own views.

People can be assholes when they use their passion to ignore their conscience.

"The entity to blame, as many here know, isn't really clear"....I call bs, the answer was right in front of your face....

What is the name of the main street in Tel Aviv?

Thank you for posting this, I noticed so many anti-semitic comments getting upvotes & any defending rational thought like what your saying here getting downvoted, & I couldn't understand whether there just trolling or frequent /r/imgoingtohellforthis or if there stormfront brigadiers. so I'm glad to know at least your comment getting deleted, (yet the anti-semitic ones aren't?) was genuinely protesting how the Israeli Gov. treats Palistinians.

It is true. To treat Israeli or Jewish people as if they all represent the decisions made by their government is a fallacy. What if the world were to treat all Americans as if they all were cheering the NSA and condoning torture and false invasion of other countries?

All of the Germans were treated as if they were guilty and millions of them starved to death after the end of WWII. Germans are still being punished today, actually. B.E.G.

Urgh. Mindfuckery.

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So wait you wrote the best comment on r/bestof of all time and the Isreal comment you mentioned and you removed the contents of that comment and replaced it with a discussion about the Israel comment that got deleted?

Yes. Now the top comment is also deleted, and I am banned.

Wow maybe you shouldn't have said anything and they might not have noticed lol ;)

It's ok that's only round 1. I have more ideas.

You should contact techdirt from their article here'

and share your story. It's probably more interesting.

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The entity to blame, as many here know, isn't really clear.

I think it's pretty goddamn clear. Zionists.

In this case, however, I would point the finger at the Israeli government, and to some extent, the American government.

Sounds about right on target.

I also point the finger at those who would keep themselves or others willfully ignorant of the situation.

That too. Very much so.

Ignorance, however, is not the same as evil.

Willful ignorance - of which there seems a lot going around - comes really damn close though and starts blurring the lines before too long.

Ignorance is only solved through compassion, understanding and patience.

Which, paradoxically enough, ignorance itself combats and keeps from blossoming.

Just as many of you disagree with the actions of your own government and feel hopeless to change them, so too do many Israelis and Jewish people disagree with what is being done "in their name" and with the constant association of all Jewish people with the actions of a few decision makers in the Israeli government.

I think a lot of that is because there are indeed a lot of "good" Jews who still benefit from what hateful Zionism does in their name. Take Hollywood as one of the most obvious examples. Are you black? Mexican? A minority? even female? Well good luck getting a break in the industry. Are you Jewish though? Even half Jewish? Well welcome on aboard, son! You're home!

I exaggerate here, but only very slightly.

Yes, there are dicks there, but there are dicks everywhere.

But Zionist dicks tend to be smarter, more organized, and - unfortunately - more nefarious and evil, so they are responsible for a lot more problems than most other groups.

The point is, each person must be judged on his own actions, and until you know a person, it is not right to judge them.

You can know them on their actions, however, and the actions of many Zionists and individuals in Israel are indeed demonstrably deplorable.

I guarantee that for every person here, I could find a reason to label you "guilty" for some atrocity. Judge not lest ye be judged.

We're all guilty on some level, and I've never had any real problem with being judged, as I know I've got various faults and I would be doing only myself the greatest disservice if I tried to deny them and not learn and grow from them. However, just as it is not right to try to get on a pedestal and be "holier than thou", it is also very much not right to NOT put rightful blame where it should indeed be placed - and what Zionism is doing in Palestine and to the world in general is indeed a damnable thing and should be made known and clear to everyone. I do not feel that one is being hypocritical by calling to light what the group has been responsible for.

if we are going to have ANY hope of getting the change we want in the world, we need to start rising above.

I agree with this. I do not think, however, that it involves not calling out Zionism for what it is: A world and people raping system of manipulation.

I also ask that we all work together to prove those that want to silence us wrong by continuing to be one of the few good sources for alternative news and opinion on reddit.

Realize and keep in mind that this cannot be done without, again, calling out the true sources of evil on this planet...and the fact of the matter is that one cannot speak about the horrible atrocities going on in this world without also talking about what is going on in Zionist-controlled Israel (and Zionist-controlled U.S. for that matter).

If you are one of the people who strongly feels that another race, religion, or group is solely to blame for your problems, I suggest that you do more research, and step outside of your comfort zone.

Zionism is most certainly not the only perpetrator of wrong on the planet. It is not the only source. Far from it. It is, however, one of the biggest, most influential, and most powerful though. This is a fact. As such, that nefarious influence should be rooted out and done away with.

"I guarantee that for every person here, I could find a reason to label you "guilty" for some atrocity."

Mine (one and only 'atrocity') was selfless, on public record and hasn't killed anyone. Theirs is one that has caused great harm, death and wanton destruction for generations.

Why therefore should 1 minor misdemeanor absolve me of the right to judge against that?

" Judge not lest ye be judged."

But I've already been judged (by myself actually, unless an admission of guilt is seen differently by those that follow such 'teachings') and served through the sentence meeted for my 'crime'; why should I in turn be denied the right to judge others on the same merits as I have judged myself?

Absolutely do not blame Israeli citizens. The Jewish people that were sent to Palestine in the first place had no other choice, nobody would take them in and their option was Palestine or camps in Europe.

America is where the finger should be pointed. They're mainly responsible for flooding Palestine with Jewish people in the first place, against the will of Palestine. It's insane that Israel is a state in the first place, absolutely insane. But I'd say the fact that America had a major hand in Israel existing and their massive financial contributions to Israel show that America is pulling strings here. Israel is a tool for America.

You should know that the Zionists blame ALL of the German people.

You should know that the Zionists blame ALL of the German people.

Well I'm not on the same side of Zionists but I'm also not going to think the same way as a Zionist and blame ALL Jewish people for Israel/America's crimes. People that have been born into Israel are raised in a fucked up environment, and even the early Jewish people that flooded Palestine didn't have much of a choice, they were refugees and they didn't get to choose where they went.

I have never blamed "The Jews". At the same time let none of us deny the intensive, never ending molding of the minds of children by their Jewish/Christian/Muslim/Buddhist/Catholic parents, teachers, relatives which is intended to permanently brand their religion and its viewpoints upon those children. Very few children, only the most fortunate ones, grow up free to choose much of anything and most children grow up believing what they are taught to believe as children throughout their entire lives.

Why was this submission removed? It had hundreds of upvotes and many positive comments, stimulating a lot of discussion. I've sent a message to the moderators but if anybody here can shed some light on why it was removed, i'd appreciate it.

edit: The moderators of /r/conspiracy messaged me and informed me that the post was not removed by the admins, that the user deleted his own account and automoderator was "confused" and removed the submission. They have manually restored it. I was mistaken regarding a shadowban on this particular incident.

Israel is a complicated situation.

Any story that you only get one side of is complicated to truly understand. Unless you only want to believe the one side you are given.

Why don't posts like this get stickied? Oh wait..

central banking

Shame on you, really. Normalization/co-existence are the stupid slogans trumpeted by the Zionist-controlled states of the West to perpetuate the oppression of the Palestinians. I don't even understand how you could go to the Zionist entity as it was. No normalization, only boycott and divestment. I mean you talked to these "people", how can you do that and still claim to be a good person?

i dunno man, conspiracy is pretty fucking racist.

it's up there with some of the other subreddits. the difference with conspiracy is that it specifically hates jews. now what i mean by this, is that there is a large number of people here, who are racist.

they'd hate jews with or without r/conspiracy. but a place like this, gives them a outlet. conspiracy brought a majority of this on itself.

There are a number of people here who hate Jews I guess. I think most people are just against Israel, which isn't racism, no matter how you want to rationalize it.

But you will anyway.

no dude, what goes on here. you can call it what you will. but it's very clear racism.

you can couch it in a "well they're just against Israel", but the top arguments are always about the jews. there's a difference. if you really look around at the comments that go around here, it's not always against israel or their policies. it usually ties to a great jewish conspiracy, that often times has nothing to do with israel.

You take too much at face value. This place is full of shills and you need to learn their posting patterns. Check out the Gentleman's Guide in the right sidebar. That shit is in here every second of every day.

Well I notice it too & who are they shilling for? and why do they often get upvotes? If your answer is Stormfront, or some other neo-nazi website then ok, just as long as we know whose doing it & why, & it's awesome /r/conspiracy doesn't censor & I'm glad they never will, but I just wish we could get to the bottom of who these anti-semites are & why they do it.

oh I'm well aware of the posting patterns of several users. its always the same sensationalist garbage, with no sort of actual evidence. then when you bring it up, op usually replies with something along the lines of "wake up sheeple" or "you disagree therefore you must be a paid disinformation agent".

you kind of have to take things at face value around here because there's not much actual value to any of it. its shock value or emotional response value is really all there is to it.

take the Hastings incident for example. that was a car wreck. likely caused by severe sleep deprivation and a loss of control at high speeds. to hear conspriacy tell it, no other car in the history of man, has ever caught fire or ejected a engine after a 80+mph wreck into a tree.

I mean for fucks sake I heard people saying that they though the bomb must have blown the motor through the tree.

all it really ever took from the start was to see the video. actually watch it and pay attention to it. none of this shit about the motor being behind the car (it wasn't ) or how the car mysteriously turned into the tree (it didn't ) or how Mercedes should release a press statement about how their cars don't explode (they don't).

all of this ignored the fact that Hastings entire career was that of a tool. he may not have known he was being used in that way, but he was. "oh Obama wants one of our most successful generals out of iraq?"

well we will just send in hastings and supply him with some information about the general's use of hookers.

but we can't fucking have the conversation about that, no, lets over analyze and focus on a car wreck .

That was a dumb response.

you're dumb.

You're a shit stinking troll. No more nice for you. Now fuck off.

aww man, you mean the ship sailed on you being nice? well that's a shame. now we can't play checkers and go down to the ice cream shop for a shake.

good thing this isn't facebook. you might 'unfriend' me.

JIDF troll. Fuck this psychotic moron.

lol now I'm psychotic. you should call me a shill and go for broke.

also

jimmys = rustled

nice try, your views can only sway mine

It's good advice, and I think there is a further issue with this sub. Quite a lot of us sometimes feel pretty pissed off about the state of the world in general, or maligned by a particular topic in hand - it sometimes inspires some pretty polemic and adversarial words to spill from our fingers. It makes this sub like a tinderbox sometimes, and it hurts discourse.

I hope to try and make an effort to maintain composure on here, and hope others do too. It's annoying being a laughing stock subreddit sometimes, but I refuse to let it sully my (and hopefully our) efforts to work some shit out.

Not saying we have the ways or means to do anything mind-blowing, but a community that shares these ideas and efforts should try and be a supportive and welcoming place, rather than a blood-brawl - even if we all may come from far different sides of the political spectrum with different personal beliefs, allegiances or ideas.

Thank you! I've been thinking the same thing and yes I believe everybody is CAPABLE of stupidity but the one thing people lack these days is the one thing people need to keep them from doing something stupid...and that is TO THINK. I wouldn't say 95% of people are stupid when even the smartest man is capable of doing something stupid. Stupidity is in everybody.

Well I notice it too & who are they shilling for? and why do they often get upvotes? If your answer is Stormfront, or some other neo-nazi website then ok, just as long as we know whose doing it & why, & it's awesome /r/conspiracy doesn't censor & I'm glad they never will, but I just wish we could get to the bottom of who these anti-semites are & why they do it.

oh I'm well aware of the posting patterns of several users. its always the same sensationalist garbage, with no sort of actual evidence. then when you bring it up, op usually replies with something along the lines of "wake up sheeple" or "you disagree therefore you must be a paid disinformation agent".

you kind of have to take things at face value around here because there's not much actual value to any of it. its shock value or emotional response value is really all there is to it.

take the Hastings incident for example. that was a car wreck. likely caused by severe sleep deprivation and a loss of control at high speeds. to hear conspriacy tell it, no other car in the history of man, has ever caught fire or ejected a engine after a 80+mph wreck into a tree.

I mean for fucks sake I heard people saying that they though the bomb must have blown the motor through the tree.

all it really ever took from the start was to see the video. actually watch it and pay attention to it. none of this shit about the motor being behind the car (it wasn't ) or how the car mysteriously turned into the tree (it didn't ) or how Mercedes should release a press statement about how their cars don't explode (they don't).

all of this ignored the fact that Hastings entire career was that of a tool. he may not have known he was being used in that way, but he was. "oh Obama wants one of our most successful generals out of iraq?"

well we will just send in hastings and supply him with some information about the general's use of hookers.

but we can't fucking have the conversation about that, no, lets over analyze and focus on a car wreck .

That was a dumb response.