First of all, most if the time wikipedia is awesome. I read a study awhike back that checked the accuracy of a few encyclopedias, and wikipedia scored higher than oxford and websters. But anyways... Back to your question..

Many people equate zionism to being jews. Or to a national pride for the jewish. This is not correct.

Zionism is a movement. It was started by the european jews (many who were persecuted during the holocaust) called the ashkenazi jews. They claim that their ancestors from biblical times migrated to europe and spread their faith. Thus, they claim, they have a divine right to claim israel as their promised land. So, the movement started, zionism was born as the european jews moved to israel and kicked the palestinians out. This movement is Zionism.

There was a study done by geneticists not too long ago, that found there was no genetic traces of the biblical jews in the genomes of the ashkenazi jews. Thus, it led some people to believe that the ashkenazi jews had no divine right to the land of israel, and that caused these people to see Zionism as an infiltration, an invasion.

This gets very deep, and i just scratched the surface for you, as the conspiracy theory behind this is vast. It involves the jihadists, and mentions that this form of invasion is the reason behind their jihad. In fact, many "terrorists" claim that their terrorists attacks are in retaliation for this zionism inflitration. Hence why they call their enemies (like us) zionists.

It is extremely important to note that zionism is not a religion. It is not a race. It is a movement. a zionist does not necessarily have to be a jew, for someone can support the movement without being a jew, and thus, they are a zionist. Just like a catholic person does not need to be an american, or a white person. A zionist does not have to be a jew.

Also of note, because of this common misconception of the term zionism, many label opposers of the movement as antisemetic. This is just as false, because to be antizionist is not to be antijew. Also, the term "semitic" refers to a group of languages and ethnicities, mainly in the middle east, which includes hebrew (language of the jews) the jews themselves, the arabian language, and others...

This just proves how easily words can be warped to further an agenda...

Yes I think it mentions it being a movement in the wiki, but you summed that up nicely & clearly, I guess I should reiterate my question as, why do people use the term to further anti-semitic agendas, specifically white supremacists, especially considering a zionist is not a race, & better yet, why are these people on reddit?

Well, as far as the theory goes, the zionists plan to dominate the world. They own much of the banking system (which is why many say the jews own the world...etc. etc.) It goes on as to say that the zionists use the anti defaming league (a real organization within the UN) to help label anyone in opposition to their aquistion of world dominance as antisemitic in order to gain sympathy from the uneducated. Basically, the term antisemitic is used to label and discredit those who oppose, much like how ther label "conspiracy theorist" is used to make those opposed to official stories as crackpots.

It doesnt matter how much evidence and fact-based explanations you present if no one believes you because they think you are just crazy or a biggoted racist. Thus, it allows them to continue on their agenda for the NWO.

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When has anyone said "it's the Jews" on this subreddit?

Meh, I submit that it was the Jews.

It can be a global conspiracy not involving one ethnicity or religion but all of them.

Its just the fact that so many people are ignorant and dont value the views of others when it seems like its in opposition to their own beliefs. There are different takes of the zionism conspiracy theory, and some say that there is a coalition of people behind the zionists, using them as a scapegoat, in order to establish the NWO. For this take, the people behind zionism dont even need to believe zionism itself. They just need the people to believe in zionism. To create conflict.

Check out this site, but before you discredit it, take it for what its worth. There is some interesting concepts, such as create conflict between two people, without them knowing you are the conflicts creator. Then, you propose a solution to "their problem" and in doing so, you establish an effective manipulation. This guy says some weird stuff, but like i said, there are interesting concepts in here, and you have to go through many different pages... It takes awhile, but bear with it...

http://upwardvectorpubs.com

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It's not even a conspiracy.

Do you believe that patronage systems exist?

If so, what are these systems built on?

Who are the players in these systems and what do they have in common? (hint: it isn't just "jews"... there are most certainly other groups that practice patronage)

How does the money flow from creation to the individual?

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The central banks print money. Who gets that money, what is it used for, and who profits from it?

http://beforeitsnews.com/foreclosure-gate/2013/10/the-dangers-of-an-all-powerful-federal-reserve-infographic-2445698.html

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Im not sure how they connected the zionists to the banks, but i think it stems from the rothschild family, who are undoubtedly amongst the most wealthy in the world.

Rothschild is germanic, from "Rot" which means "Red," and "Schild" which means "Sign." Their last name in german is "red sign". They are of german descent. Jewish, too, i believe. But from there i just dont remember. But its not a far step, from that and hitler and the banks... It even goes as far as England, though i dont remember how they claim the rothschilds bought england. If my memory serves me correctly, though, the rothschilds owned a bank and during the great depression they offered to bail out the u.s. government, creating The Fed. its straight forward from there, but ill have to dig again to find their connections..

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Why are you worried about that?

Because I'm paranoid & delusional that neo-nazis are using reddit to spread an agenda, & shit gets deeper if you were inside my head.

Not to feed your paranoia, but i wanna present a what if scenario.

DISCLAIMER: due to the extremely sensitive nature of this speculation, i have to say i dont necessary believe this to be true. It is mere speculation.

What if hitler was trying to fight against the NWO/Zionists? What if that was his attempt to stand against an unimaginable evil? And what if the Zionists won, and changed history to make Hitler look like an antichrist? Afterall, they say history is written by The Victor. What if.....?

Your what if confuses me & I wouldn't want to live in the world where that scenario could be true.

My speculative conspiracy is something along the lines of, there are large groups of neo-nazis in the US, some who are in political parties, not very successful ones but they exist, & they have friends in high places with a lot of money made from guns, the illegal narcotics trade, & they have connections to high ranking government officials who are using the internet as a new propaganda tool to influence people to push there 4th reich agenda......

You sound like a Jew!

There you go again, worrying about other people entertaining ideas you don't like.

Well wikipedia always helps me even for conspiracies the give all the info unbiasedly.

rofl

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rofl

JFK assassination;

John F. Kennedy assassination conspiracy theories From the day of the assassination, many Americans suspected that a conspiracy, and not a lone gunman, was responsible for President Kennedy's death. Polls taken that day through November 27, 1963 by Gallup showed 52 percent believing "some group or element" was behind the assassination.

That's reporting a conspiracy theory, unbiasedly. but you'll probably disagree.

I wouldn't be bothered by Zionists if they didn't use racist and condescending words to describe me and other non-Jews. I also wouldn't be bothered by them if they used rational argument to defend their actions rather than screaming "anti Semite!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPxv4Aff3IA

I only said that because I notice many comments in this sub often misuse the term, or use it to bash jewish people & then get upvotes.

I honestly have maybe seen 2 comments in all of my two years being here. You're being dramatic and quite honestly sound like you're just pulling the "anti-semite" card. Anything REMOTELY bigoted gets downvoted appropriately. What angle are YOU trying to push here?

I'm just asking whats with the "Jews this & that" that's my angle. wonder all you want but websites like stormfront have been known to try & influence other websites by spreading blatant racism & my ONLY point is I don't like it, the shit gets upvoted.

if you cannot see and accept jewish over representation in the media, hollywood, tv, law, education and the usa government then you sir are blind or ignorant.

we are not.

and we aren't afraid to talk aboot it

I up voted for the aboot. Made me chuckle

Fair enough, but what exactly are you saying, eh?

What is "Jewish over representation"? Can I get answer with my downvote? Can you or whoever upvoted you please elaborate?

look up which government officials have dual citizenship.

I linked to the article, Zionism is simply jewish nationalism, it has nothing to do with 911, Israeli & American citizenship doesn't tell me anything, what about officials with British, German or any other citizenship?

I linked to the article, Zionism is simply jewish nationalism, it has nothing to do with 911, Israeli & American citizenship doesn't tell me anything, what about officials with British, German or any other citizenship?

You answered your own question. This is why it is important to do your own research.

You should look up the dual citizenships of the legislators and see if anything looks out of place. (hint: there are not a lot of other dual citizens)

Ok, what exactly is your point and what is your solution, I think we can agree "strings are being pulled", but not on who is pulling them, I'm not doubting your point, Feinstein has Israeli citizenship, but what else does that prove?

If evidence is found many bankers are jewish? what would that prove & what would the solution be?

My concern over this is because this happened, & I'm worried people use the term Zionism falsely to spread anti-semitic ideas.

If there is a system of patronage between the state, the bank, and the media, then your freedom, your wealth, and your mind is rather easily controlled.

This has nothing to do with any ethnic group. It could be anyone. The holocaust has nothing to do with this either and you should be ashamed for letting your emotions get in the way of reality.

I already pointed out, the term Zionism only applies to the Israel/Palestine. Indeed media & banks are controlled, and your not blaming an ethnicity, then I have no confusion, but zionism does not apply to global events, if you think it does, then that is your view, I have mine & we will have to agree to disagree,

Because I don't like where blaming Zionism for every little event that happens, goes, because Hitler in fact blamed all of Germanys problems on "Zionism" & I'm not afraid to say that here.

Zionism doesn't exist? So explain why they made the change to the Israeli oath of citizenship?

Where & when did I say it does not exist? & the Israeli oath, only applies to Israel, & the oath is ridiculous due to the people who wrote it.

If your trying to convince me Zionism determines the fate of the entire world you are mistaken as to what the movement is about, either accept that the protocols of zion are a hoax, or continue believing white supremacist propaganda.

If your worried I'm trying to influence this subreddit what zionism really means, don't because I see I wasn't mistaken, & won't post here anymore.

I haven't said anything. I just asked you questions.

Zionism doesn't exist?

You said that in the form of a question, implying I said it, therefore you said it, misinterpreting what I said, when in fact I never said it does not exist, just that your mistaken as to what it means when it comes to world events.

& would you rather no one answers or asks questions? because I was asking a question too and apparently most of the people who left comments didn't like my question.

Are you genuinely a Poe?

Shouldn't you be trolling autists on /pol/ right now?

Oh yea I agree with you. It destroys our credibility.

Good then we have an understanding, long as everyone here knows I'm not calling them anti-semitic if they say zionist, as long as there clear on what they mean.

Yeah, I think we're clear. You want others to only say what you think they should say on the particular topic that obsesses you. We're clear on that.

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Fred Phelps. Good parallel, sir.

sounds like racism to me

That just blows my mind & I don't know what to make of it, but what is Israel's population? What is the population of that city? I'm gonna stick to my point here & just say why so much racism, in your example I'm not sure if that is actual Zionism, its definitely an ism, just sounds like the clerics that brainwash a lot of people in the middle east to hate jews IMO.

Israel's population is estimated at 7.5 million. Of those 7.5 million it is estimated that 1.5-1.8 million are Arab.

So yeah... that means I was being really generous with my numbers.

Alright 10% of the population is pretty huge but all that tells me is a decent number of israelis are crazy, but I could say that about any nation, our mayors smoke crack for crying out loud, jk.

But it still stands, Jews are not to blame, not sure if that was your point, if its israelis you mean then you & I are in agreement.

You will still be beautiful when you get older

central banking

If you want to take racial connotations out of the equation just call them

"central bankers" masters of usury

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yes I'm Jewish, I do...But lets be honest, the leaders of the gang are Jews and or Zionist Jews.

If I were an upstanding Black guy and I see a group of thug niggas gang banging,...Do I identify with these "niggas" ? Am I unable to call a spade a spade? Jews just like Blacks are threatened by no one more than their own race...

With black people, it is that they "all steal and are all potentially criminals up to no good"...With Jews it is that they are "money grubbing Moneychangers"...And the reason those sterotypes exist is because of the actions of certain members of our respective races.

In this world there are many types of people, but when it comes down to it there are only really 2...You are either cool, or you are an asshole...Jews and or any race of people who just live their lives like any respectable person are cool....Jews who run central banking scams and enslave entire populations with debt are ASSHOLES... and it is deathly important that I as a Jewish person differentiate the difference between the two....or in other words

"hey muther fucker, don't put the blame on me, I don't own a central bank and I'm not enslaving the world with false debt, it was these guys over here, and yes they happen to be of Jewish descent, don't throw my ass in the oven, but I will help you find those responsible for this crime and I will light the pilot....You do realize that by bringing a mere 2500 people to justice that a world of Billions would be able to live in peace and prosperity?

yes I'm Jewish, I do...But lets be honest, the leaders of the gang are Jews and or Zionist Jews.

Well you could knock me over with a feather.

Zionists are people who believe there should be a Jewish state in the Middle East at any cost. They are the people behind apartheid in Palestine. They are obviously predominantly Jewish, but not always -- VP Joe Biden, for instance, has announced that he is a Zionist in a speech late last year or earlier this year.

I think it is extremely important to note that not all Jews are Zionists! However, influential Zionists (such as the people in charge of the state of Israel) would have you believe all Jews are Zionists and anyone with anti-Zionist ideas are therefore also anti-Semites.

I see a lot of people on this forum badmouthing Jews and I think they really mean to be focusing their frustrations against Zionists.

Yes well said, & I really hope that's true there just using the wrong words.

What Is Zionism? Simple and to the point explained by a jew. If you don't get it then you must have had a lobotomy, also the ADL are facists.

I notice a lot of blatant anti-semitism

Did your handlers pay you to say that?

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I didn't downvote you other then this terrible thread. Now who's the conspiracy theorist?

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guy I don't know what to tell you, maybe you're a shitty poster that no one likes.

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I kno.

The one thing that people often leave out when they explain the Zionist sentiment is that Zionists believe that once all of the Jews return to Israel and Israel is back to being a "perfect Jewish state" the End Times can begin and the Jewish savior will come to Earth to rapture them up. The underlying tone of this is practically akin to being a death cult.

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Sure it is definitely crazy in any religion but you don't typically have powerful world governments funding/endorsing the aid of the impending apocalypse.

Not to mention the majority of wealth in the world and most of the banking system to back it up, and to fund for the legislation those governments pass in their favor..

Umm, elaborate for me whose funding what & how?

Well for one government America is helping fund Israel by offering foreign aid and having a government full of Zionists/Zionist apologists. The Israeli government is obviously also funding their own intent to make Israel a purely Jewish state.

Alright so your saying your government (I'm assuming your from the US?) is purposely funding Israel so Israel can bring about the end of the world?

No (because the end of the world isn't actually going to happen because of Israel being inhabited only by Jewish people). But our government applies a double standard to foreign aid which allows us to fund Israel against our own interests because we have a dense population of Zionists/sympathizers in our government. Our media is full of pro-Israel/anti-Palestine propaganda.

Well since you put it that way I fully agree. I guess maybe I get worried when I hear people talking zionism because its a term Hitler used often, & I'm more comfortable using Israeli instead of jew, or the Israeli/US/EU government rather than Zionism BECAUSE people can spin it & call us anti-semitic.

I'm not at all an anti-Semite. Jewish people aren't automatically Zionists and I'm not even anti-Zionist in the sense that I don't dislike the people for their beliefs, I just disagree with their philosophy. Zionism is a problem, the people aren't at fault for following a philosophy that they were most likely indoctrinated with.

Then you are like the majority of the people in /r/conspiracy, normal, I was just curious about all the comments I see here that are clearly anti-semitic & get upvoted, like we've been invaded by them.

Yeah I have noticed a lot of those as well. I dunno what they are all about but being against the idea of Zionism does often get conflated with being an anti-Semite. You are right about that.

I'm glad you guys get what I'm ranting about then.

take your

blatent anti-semitism

and shove it

read the protocols, that is zionism

But it was written as a hoax by russian authors

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion or The Protocols of the Meetings of the Learned Elders of Zion is an antisemitic hoax purporting to describe a Jewish plan for global domination. It was first published in Russia in 1903, translated into multiple languages, and disseminated internationally in the early part of the 20th century. Henry Ford funded printing of 500,000 copies that were distributed throughout the US in the 1920s.

Labeling it a hoax doesn't change a word of what is in it.

quoting wiki in reference to any zionist or jewish related topic is a huge mistake, it is patrolled and edited by jidf/giyus teams to sanitize it of any criticism or negativity, this is public knowledge.

regarding the protocols "hoax" status...

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/examiner.htm

Protocols Decision Washed Out Press and Radio Silent on Appeal Finding

Great publicity was given throughout the world in 1935 to a decision in the Swiss Courts that the documents known as "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" were a forgery; that the judge had described the contents as "ridiculous nonsense"; and that the Protocols had been condemned as an offence against public morals.

Even in remote New Zealand numerous newspapers at that time published long articles on what they termed an "Historic Forgery"; and addresses were similarly given over the radio system proclaiming loudly that the Protocols had been shown to be baseless.

We are now at the end of February, 1938, but the writer can recall nothing in the daily papers, and he has heard nothing over the radio system, telling him that the Protocols verdict given on May 14, 1935, was reversed by the Berne Court of Appeal on November 1 last.

When the decision went one way it was news fit for all the world to hear: a subject for special articles and radio broadcasts. When it went the other way it ceased to be news at all.

What the Protocols Are

To those unfamiliar with them it may be explained that the Protocols were first published in English in 1920 by Messrs. Eyre and Spottiswoode, long printers to the British Government. They attracted very considerable attention, and the London "Times", in reviewing them in a lengthy article on May 3, 1920, stated that its representative had inspected in the British Museum an edition of the Protocols published in Russia by Professor Sergius Nilus in 1905, and bearing the Museum's date stamp of receipt of August 10, 1906.

The "Times" attached importance to this positive evidence of the existence of the Protocols in 1906, because the Protocols contain a programme for the conquest of the world by subterfuge, and of this programme, world events from 1906 to 1920 were a fulfilment. That is the whole significance of the Protocols. The plan contained in them goes on getting itself fulfilled.

If the Protocols were considered significant in 1920 because of the course of world events between 1906 and 1920, the course of events between 1920 and 1938 makes them immensely more significant to-day.

and from 1938 to today, again a fulfilment. wow that is some prophetic hoax we have here that has been and is coming true every year, for over 100 years.

sounds more like a blueprint to me.

And your saying it's the jews who done it? The book preaches anti-semitic retoric so I'm not sure what your point is unless your saying they lied about it being a jewish conspiracy, meaning a hoax.

How is it public knowledge that wikipedia has these screeners? Where is this knowledge? & honestly, I'm not sure biblebelievers is really that much better but I'll look into it.

zionism does not equal jew, hell, jew does not even equal jew

bored now

Plenty of answers here, but it's simply jewish nationalism, basically. A better question is what is jewish.

A good question, I have another question, what does 911 have to do with jewish nationalism (zionism), why is it such a popular idea & what are those people getting at?

Zionism is a little like White Power but exclusively for Jews. Do a little thought experiment right now - Imagine some white guy wearing a Confederate Flag hat talking about how the white people are being culturally destroyed and need a nation of their own so that their race isn't wiped out. Now, if you are like most people you probably think that the guy is ignorant and hate filled. The Zionist is just like this backwoods redneck, but when anyone points that out they are accused of "anti-semitism."

Now, let's take this thought experiment a little further. Imagine this White Pride guy actually gets a movement strong enough that he actually gets his wish - a country for white people. So they move into a country where people are already living - we'll say it is predominantly a black area (let's say South Africa) - they treat all the Black people that have been living there for hundreds of years like second class citizens. Well, we don't have to treat this like a thought experiment anymore because this event is a historical fact. There was a word for it: Apartheid.

Zionism is the belief that the Jews are God's chosen people, even if there is no God.

jewish extremism

islamic propaganda

After reading almost all the posts. I am beginning to believe you are just trying to look past all the shit and place the blame on someone else. Oh it's racist, but Jews aren't racist. It is a giant justification for you isn't it?

Your free to think that, I was referring to a small amount of comments I notice on reddit, & was interested in why people even use the term zionism to begin with, really not much more than that.

if by blame you mean the Palistinian evictions, the people there starving, the people killed in bombings, I can tell you no I definitely blame the Israeli gov. for that. Sorry if I'm miseading.

I can respect that, but its how you come across.

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Ill help a bit. You come across as a 16 year old desperately trying to get called a shill.

Your thread is making me hate Jews and hate is bad.

I understand that you may actually be genuine, but are such a Poe it is ridiculous.

You are hypocritical in every stance you take. For example you think white supremacists allegedly manipulating online content is bad but Jewish supremacists doing it publicly is standing up against anti semitism.

It is very hard to take your view seriously because, whether you are being genuine or not, you have not put much thought into that view.

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You will still be beautiful when you get older

Fred Phelps. Good parallel, sir.

That just blows my mind & I don't know what to make of it, but what is Israel's population? What is the population of that city? I'm gonna stick to my point here & just say why so much racism, in your example I'm not sure if that is actual Zionism, its definitely an ism, just sounds like the clerics that brainwash a lot of people in the middle east to hate jews IMO.

Because I'm paranoid & delusional that neo-nazis are using reddit to spread an agenda, & shit gets deeper if you were inside my head.

jewish extremism

Your what if confuses me & I wouldn't want to live in the world where that scenario could be true.

My speculative conspiracy is something along the lines of, there are large groups of neo-nazis in the US, some who are in political parties, not very successful ones but they exist, & they have friends in high places with a lot of money made from guns, the illegal narcotics trade, & they have connections to high ranking government officials who are using the internet as a new propaganda tool to influence people to push there 4th reich agenda......

yes I'm Jewish, I do...But lets be honest, the leaders of the gang are Jews and or Zionist Jews.

Well you could knock me over with a feather.

Labeling it a hoax doesn't change a word of what is in it.

quoting wiki in reference to any zionist or jewish related topic is a huge mistake, it is patrolled and edited by jidf/giyus teams to sanitize it of any criticism or negativity, this is public knowledge.

regarding the protocols "hoax" status...

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/examiner.htm

Protocols Decision Washed Out Press and Radio Silent on Appeal Finding

Great publicity was given throughout the world in 1935 to a decision in the Swiss Courts that the documents known as "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" were a forgery; that the judge had described the contents as "ridiculous nonsense"; and that the Protocols had been condemned as an offence against public morals.

Even in remote New Zealand numerous newspapers at that time published long articles on what they termed an "Historic Forgery"; and addresses were similarly given over the radio system proclaiming loudly that the Protocols had been shown to be baseless.

We are now at the end of February, 1938, but the writer can recall nothing in the daily papers, and he has heard nothing over the radio system, telling him that the Protocols verdict given on May 14, 1935, was reversed by the Berne Court of Appeal on November 1 last.

When the decision went one way it was news fit for all the world to hear: a subject for special articles and radio broadcasts. When it went the other way it ceased to be news at all.

What the Protocols Are

To those unfamiliar with them it may be explained that the Protocols were first published in English in 1920 by Messrs. Eyre and Spottiswoode, long printers to the British Government. They attracted very considerable attention, and the London "Times", in reviewing them in a lengthy article on May 3, 1920, stated that its representative had inspected in the British Museum an edition of the Protocols published in Russia by Professor Sergius Nilus in 1905, and bearing the Museum's date stamp of receipt of August 10, 1906.

The "Times" attached importance to this positive evidence of the existence of the Protocols in 1906, because the Protocols contain a programme for the conquest of the world by subterfuge, and of this programme, world events from 1906 to 1920 were a fulfilment. That is the whole significance of the Protocols. The plan contained in them goes on getting itself fulfilled.

If the Protocols were considered significant in 1920 because of the course of world events between 1906 and 1920, the course of events between 1920 and 1938 makes them immensely more significant to-day.

and from 1938 to today, again a fulfilment. wow that is some prophetic hoax we have here that has been and is coming true every year, for over 100 years.

sounds more like a blueprint to me.

sounds like racism to me

I linked to the article, Zionism is simply jewish nationalism, it has nothing to do with 911, Israeli & American citizenship doesn't tell me anything, what about officials with British, German or any other citizenship?

You answered your own question. This is why it is important to do your own research.

You should look up the dual citizenships of the legislators and see if anything looks out of place. (hint: there are not a lot of other dual citizens)