Brainwashed world.

Most people are in so deep, they can't see.

For real. If he can fulfill his job, I don't give a fuck what he does in his free time.

What he does in his free time is murder people who film him doing fucked up shit in his free time.

So... I generally agree with this -- unless what he does in his free time is harmful or detrimental to others.

I'd amend this in saying: "...what he does with his own body"

But even then, what if he has an infant in his family that he is immediately responsible for...

So I agree, but with qualifications.

He's literally paying criminals. I'd not say that's a good thing for a mayor to do. When drugs become legal and are not allowing criminals to do heinous things then sure, I don't give a shit what anyone does. As it is, he is supporting the criminal element in Toronto, either directly, or indirectly, and no that's not cool.

On one hand, there is paying criminals for drugs, on the other we have innocent lives lost. Yeah the one paying "criminals" is definitely worse. The logic checks out. Dumbass

Your reading comprehension skills are sub-par, at best.

Your staying on-topic skills are sub-par, at best.

Your guys' faces are sub-par at best.

Your apathy is sub par at best

Actually, I think this says something about Canadians vs Americans.

A mayor of a mayor city in Canada did something to disrespect the city, and he might be removed within 6 months, maybe sooner. (or maybe not at all, I may be wrong)

The president of a nation commits murder, tells lies, and defrauds people via obamacare and other crazy laws, and he is re-elected.

"re-elected"

The aca is such a fraud

just keep attention on drone strikes... and civilian deaths...

Its a great distraction story that feels important because it has a mayor involved.

So Jaden Smith's not full of bullshit after all?

That guy is entirely full of shit, holy hell his twitter reads like someone who started smoking weed wayyyy too early

they can't see

"How can mirrors be real when our eyes aren't real?"

I don't really see the connection, they can't see is a general, very clear and simple statement.

Canadian here, I live in Ontario, the scandal isn't so much him smoking crack, it is the alleged murder(s) of the person(s) that supposedly had filmed the video of him smoking crack.

The media has been trying to get that video of him smoking crack for several months, and one of the papers, I believe the Sun was able to obtain it.

Rob Ford has been a joke for a long time (from his campaign to election), people outside of Toronto generally have a very low opinion of Toronto, and people from there, and them electing Rob Ford just furthers the point of view that citizens of Ontario have of Toronto and it's citizens.

I don't dispute what you say, but the way it's being presented down here is the crack-smoking aspect. The media knows it's distracting because typical Americans associate crack with a certain element and it revolts them. I didn't even know about the murder until I read your comment.

Smoking Crack: minority, poor, bad Snorting Cocaine: elite, rich, cool

Exactly.

Sorry I was just trying to give you a quick timeline of events.

No worries. I was just trying to give context to OP's opinion.

Ya i get their point however there's probably a bigger conspiracy going on with Rob Ford. Not to mention there's a huge government scandal going on in Canada that has fallen to the wayside.

the scandal isn't so much him smoking crack, it is the alleged murder

There isn't any talk of the murder in the US. The scandal here is all about the smoking of the crack and his denial of it, followed by his admittance, followed by his rant, followed by his pussy eating remarks. But, once there's some hard evidence on the murder(s) then I'm sure that will be news here too.

In Canada, the photo followed by the murder was big in the news, until the video came out, then it just became about him smoking crack.

This is the first I'm hearing about it.

Canadian here, I live in Ontario, the scandal isn't so much him smoking crack, it is the alleged murder(s) of the person(s) that supposedly had filmed the video of him smoking crack.

Well, that makes more sense.

Ford should definitely should call Bill and Hillary Clinton for legal advice, then.

They know how to deal with such things.

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I haven't heard anything about the murder...?

the extortion case is why the guy admitted to crack use. the police said they had evidence of it on a video related to the investigation - that belonged to the murdered guy.

you might read some of the police report, and wonder why he was not brought in?

i think they are waiting, had they just brought him in public opinion may have been outrage, letting him roast in front of the media makes it easier for them to lay charges a little later and look like heros.

from the sounds of what they have he's pretty much fucked and its not like he can run lmao his face is everywhere

Is there anything solidly linking him to the guys murder other than his acquaintance with him? People who smoke crack have a habit of being murdered regardless.

Gangland executions aren't common. Toronto saw 33 total shooting deaths in 2012, that's in almost 3 milion people + tourists.

The link is that the dead guy is in the video - it was reportedly on his phone, the mayor's driver and friend is up for extortion related to the video. other people were bribed, coerced, beaten in relation to the video. the guy that pulled the trigger plead guilty to a lesser charge. the mayor knew of an address where the video was being kept, and the mayor's staff called police to avert a possible assault/murder, when nobody but gawker and the star were aware that there even was a video.. shall I go on?

There's no public link to the crack video to my knowledge but for the murder, there's plenty out there.

The reason this is blowing up now is that the video has been found, but the murders happened a while ago, and he's been under investigation since.

Second Arrest in Anthony Smith Murder

note that the guy got an unusual plea deal for the murder. that usually means he gave someone else up, but so far only Lisi is charged with extortion. this reeks of a cover up.

That's not an unusual plea deal in Canada, as well the Crown could've rejected the deal, so could the judge.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2013/06/27/rob_ford_crack_video_scandal_guilty_plea_in_anthony_smith_shooting_death.html

bullshit

He should have been charged with 2nd degree, however the police charged him with 1st degree murder and the Crown has to prosecute using that.

The police should have charged him with 2nd degree murder.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_(Canadian_law)

http://info.lawyershop.ca/archives/2008/09/09/the-distinction-between-first-and-second-degree-murder-and-manslaughter/

In isolation, it looks like your typical gangland execution. Since it is connected with the mayor crack tape extortion case, it makes a bigger stink.

2nd degree, sure. 7 years, and time served. Out in 3.

Oh for sure it was, I'm sure the Crown knows that too, however a plea of guilty with time served in prison is better than taking a chance that they go to trial and a jury acquits him.

so they made a plea just to be sure of convicting him? either he gave up his superiors, or the police and judicial system are covering it up. I tend to think both.

we'll see what happens in the Lisi case. Here's what makes most sense.

The cops plea out the executioner and get dirt on Lisi. They get the video and arrest Lisi after surveillance. Lisi refuses to rat out anyone, gets convicted of extortion. Out in <3.

Meanwhile anyone else associated with exposure of the video got either shot, killed, beaten in jail, thrown off a balcony or some combination thereof.

Plea deal my ass.

The plea deal would have to come from the Crown, I don't believe the police have the authority to offer any sort of plea deal to Hashimi.

Normally, when there's going to be a plea deal, the defense and the Crown submit a joint plea deal, with a recommendation for sentencing, Crown on the high end, defense on the low end and the judge chooses something in the middle.

So, it does make perfect sense for the Crown to ask Hashimi, or for the defense to ask Hashimi to give up the info for a better conviction.

Whether or not this happened, we will probably never know.

We can infer that it was a cover up. Ford was not charged, or even brought in for questioning in relation to the murder.. yet the police have an incriminating tape that people were hunted, beaten, shot and killed over.

Besides, there's enough history of corruption in the police force that is common knowledge. Also, many in the judicial system have been implied threats relating to their own drug use and other 'skeletons'

The aspens are connected at the roots.. or so they say.

Doug Ford could probably ruin a few dozen careers on his own. A reputed drug kingpin in the city surely sold it to/through judges, lawyers and cops.

If they don't have enough evidence to bring Ford in on, all they really got is him smoking crack, that really isn't enough to do anything wil.

And corruption in the police, name one Canadian city who's police force isn't corrupt.

I'm sure Doug Ford probably sells drugs to half of the Toronto police force that use them.

I had a former friend in the city I live in, who's father was a detective on the police force, she came home one day, opened the garage door, and there was her dad, and a bunch of his fellow detectives standing in a circle smoking a joint. She just closed the garage door, walked into the house, and never said a word of it to her father, nor did he ever say anything to her.

We should educate our kids that in order to get ahead in society, you should break the law and get away with it. That's the lesson kids are getting for the past generation at least. I wish my parents had been drug dealers, or mobsters.

The murder is just a typical gang crime. Ford is not being investigated for this. He is practically just a bystander.

So do I, and it seems to me to be all about him saying 'pussy' on live television. The day he did that was the day (most of) his councillors started turning their backs on him during meetings.

The saddest thing about this whole debacle, in my opinion, is that he's going to have a whole bunch of shit-eater 20-somethings voting for the first time because he's such a down-to-earth guy (yeah, I guess a lot of scum exists at ground-level). I have some of these shit-eaters on facebook and they are suddenly into politics now and liking all of each other's pro-dirtbag posts.

Toronto's a great city with great people. Love it!

I think you are wrong about the Ford election furthering the anti-Toronto point of view. If anything, Ford has been a relief from the smug superior attitude many Torontonians seem to have. Also, it is about the cracks smoking and otherwise lewd behavior. The elites and the media have had it in for Ford for a very long time. Ford is not being investigated for the Lisa murder. There is a lot of dirt on Ford that is being released, but it's drugs and alcohol, not murder. So, the point made by OP is legitimate. People are carrying on about Ford using cracked, while ignoring far more heinous crimes -- drones, Benghazi murders, other murders? Ford is a saint by comparison.

neither deserve a pass, ford should be locked up, and same goes for the other

Let's not equate the US or whatever country you're from not freaking out with the rest of the world not freaking out.

South African Muslim Lawyers Submit Request To Arrest Obama When He Visits

South African Anti-Obama Protests

Video description:

Published on Jun 28, 2013

Protesters gather in Pretoria and Cape Town to demonstrate against US President Barack Obama's visit to South Africa. Protesters burned a flag outside the US embassy and decried Obama's bias to Israel and drone strike policies.

Unfortunately, what we're actually seeing is simply Obama being the first president to use drones so prolifically. Other presidents are surely soon to follow, as you can read between the lines in this article:

Should South Africa be exporting killer drones?

Until last year, South African defence companies produced and exported only unarmed UAVs. This has changed with Denel Dynamics’s development of the Seeker 400, which is equipped with air-to-ground missiles. This armed drone has received international media interest, as there have been unconfirmed reports that the government approved the export of an unknown number of Seeker 400s to Saudi Arabia after the US declined to sell a consignment of its Predator drones to the Saudi government.

Gee, other countries can produce drones too? And maybe use then on us?

Who could have predicted such a thing?

The future should be interesting...

I linked related reading material, not breaking news. I appreciate your attempt at sarcasm though, always good to lighten the mood. The future... Indeed.

They should make land drones, so they get destroyed instead of a foot-soldier.

Here's some info on that subject -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unmanned_ground_vehicle

Can you name who freaked out? Did you see people freaking out with your own eyes, or did you just read enough articles that said people were freaking out to believe it? A lot of 'freak outs' in the world are just a result of what you personally are taking in media-wise, and doesn't necessarily have any bearing on the opinion of anyone else in the world.

Everyone writing news?

Okay, but what if you had a crack smoking drone strike president? How would we feel about that?

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Actually there have been a number of acquaintances of Ford who have been killed perhaps in relation to the video of him smoking crack. But yes that pales in comparison the systematic killing of hundreds of civilians by drones.

I agree crack is bad and killing is worse.

both not great

You've obviously never smoked crack.

What's it like, jack?

Any leader with an active military is technically killing people. What's the difference if they are doing hand-on-hand combat, using guns, or being efficient and using the latest technology?

Any leader with an active military that is at war is technically killing people.

FTFY

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/r/conspiracy seems to think that there's something inherently worse about drones, than say fighter jets.

well, ordering killings at least, but he IS bragging about it, which kinda makes him seem almost manly, in a really pathetic sorta way.

I could be wrong but did Obama say he was good at killing?

I'd like to see him say that to Vladimir Putin's face.

and maybe Chuck Norris too

Indeed he did, which is funny, because he actually only signed their death warrants..he did however, say it while channeling Tom Dilton from Mo' Money fame, and that's truly noteworthy.

He did admit to using cocaine

Okay, but what if you had a crack smoking drone strike president? How would we feel about that?

Obama is exempt from drug tests.

Welcome to your brave new world! Where everyone is diluted as fuck and hope is about as far away as your congressmen are to your interests.

There's no "we". People are individually freaked out about one or the other or both or neither.

Your use of the word "we" says much to me.

You state many are upset with mayor MCcrack & not MC daddy drone dropper. I imagine many are irritated by one, the other, or both to many different degrees.

I personally feel warmongers whom lean right fit your description in a personal generic assumption guesstimate. I also feel daily headline front page news is often @ the top of most peoples short term thinking head & this aids the ill machine that owns the press to distract people from the drones & other sinister "crimes upon others" actions not currently on page one.

I feel you do not subscribe to what you wrote & thus feel you are not part of the "we" in "we the people" [if you live in the U.S.]. You against the machine, as if you are writing to those that freak out only about the drug topic & not the thug topic. You did not use "we" how I most often see it used [to denote you & the reader "we need to take action!!!" cheerleader drummer style.]. Please know I personally feel you, me, & many here are "out of the box" @ times & IMO only seed out of boxes can be planted to grow to healthy maturity. A seed in a box is a stored non growing seed. Just saying I read you, feel your angst & read growth far beyond seed ;)

Didn't the mayor of the Capital of the US smoke crack too?

Not just a crack smoking mayor, a fiscally responsible crack smoking mayor. Rob Ford was saved the city of Toronto millions!

Since when is the media people?

I would like to believe that it is not the people themselves, but the media in feeding them this information.

I understand your point, but you are operating under a misconception that all this is at the behest of the elected government

While you completely ignore the obvious fact, this elected administration is not even allowed to appoint people to his cabinet or to the courts.

I understand your point, but you are operating under a misconception that all this is at the behest of the elected government

What is not "at the behest of the elected government"?

The Crack smoking or the Drone strikes?

Oh, go smoke your crack.

misconception that all this is at the behest of the elected government

Are you saying that the government wasn't elected?

Because it is an uncontested fact that our government carries out drone strikes.

If they have influence over media they can certainly control air time for different subjects.

I am not sure what your point is in relation to the post and my comment.

This is the state of politics and media in north amerika. Side show freaks and hustlers. I'm thinking this whole Rob Ford thing is way too convenient a distraction from more important subjects like the TPP. Terrorist Penny Pinchers? Thieving Plundering Pirates? No the trans pacific partnership.

If the media is shaking their right hand saying "Look, look over here at this, wall to wall coverage of a mayor, who smokes crack...IN CANADA! Crazy Canadians, and we thought it was bad here." You better try and see what the hell the left hand is or isn't in this case, doing.

judging by their actions dare I say crack-smoking is probably pretty damn prevalent among politicians; Rob Ford was just the first one to be outed for it

Its because we still have hope for that mayor.

Agreed. I've had enough of Rob Ford's personal shit I really couldn't care less. There's other REAL NEWS out there yet "HE SMOKED CRACK!!! OMGSH LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS FOR THE NEXT 2 MONTHS".

It's a diversion though for Canadians, read up on how BC's and Alberta's premier are friends all of a sudden.

If by "we" you mean "they," yes.

As a rule I don't make fun of peoples who can kill me and my innocent familly with killer drone.

its says central bankers dictate the pulse of what the cattle hear, all obfuscation, and luckily loosing it's effectiveness, its only real if you think it is

Or a crack smoking president

It says that we are cowards.

Or the fact that no one cares that multiple people from around the world, spanning multiple decades have said that Obama sucked cock for blow....

It's a hell of a drug.

Besides Canada and the US, who else really cares about Rob Ford?

No it doesn't...Why don't you give a full brief, in detail of all the people that have been killed by drones and a full reference to all the classified material that explains all the decisions and how the president was directly involved in them...

Then you can have the "authority" to compare him to a "crack smoking mayor"

This is one hell of an ace in the hole for Ford to pull out at his next press hearing.

The Rob Ford thing is a result of a bunch of things... I think my summary from a couple weeks ago in/r/metacanada is pretty accurate.

The city of Toronto used to be 'city center/downtown'... then all the buroughs amalgamated... so essentially The city of Toronto downtown now included what people considered the burbs. This happened in 1998.

It was supposed to save a bunch of money... didn't really do anything beyond making the city center people pissed that they aren't getting more money for public transit when the city is spending money in the burbs and/or vice versa. So, downtowners and burbs are at odds with each other.

Anyways, election time for mayor happens in 2010 and Rob Ford campaigned on 'stopping the gravy train'. After all the promises to reduce costs by the amalgamation, nothing happened... so cost cutting Ford is the answer to everyone's woes. everyone outside of the downtown core pretty much ate it up. It was kinda funny, being he kept on message and didn't seem to shoot himself that much in the foot. Saying that, the left wing press hated him for running... seemed like every day or two they'd do gotcha type things where they were clearly being bullies to the bully. This was lead by The Toronto Star (newspaper) who had previously reported very questionable things (which turned out to be false) about conservative candidates in previous elections. Ford ended up winning the election in 2010 for mayor. He not only won, but won convincingly getting 47% of votes.

So, Ford vs Star was on like donkey kong.

So, epic battle begins... The Toronto Star and the circlejerking liberal youth (ie reddit demographic) vs enemy #1 Rob Ford. Seemed like every week or two there is another gotcha on Ford. I mean, one week he is beating up kids on a football team he coached... the next he drove drunk in florida a decade ago... he gets caught reading a paper while driving. It was exhausting. It blurred the lines of his actual gaffs like when he decided to not go to the pride parade (lgbt parade) etc. During this time, depending on the sideshow... he got some national coverage. It was amusing on many levels.

Then the WOW moment. Rob Ford caught smoking crack on video! ARE YOU KIDDING ME? For the left wingers, this was winning the lotto with the right wingers crying foul. Being the Toronto Star is not really credible for right wingers, saying 2 of their reporters saw a UFO but had no evidence makes every right winger say it's another scam... while everyone on the left says they are upstanding journalists so it must be true 100% positive.

I guess that's it in a nutshell... it's the left wingers all excited that the UFO turns out to be real and are screaming, "I told you so!... I knew it all along!".

Saying "I told you so" is so fulfilling... and then Ford not stepping down... and a bunch of shit since. Anyways, the leftards who are spamming reddit with Rob Ford circlejerks are idiots... It's somewhat entertaining in a way that their passion to remove the buffoon from office takes away from attention to obviously more important issues.

Because, there is an admission from hiz honor that he smoked crack, he didn't really smoke crack he smoked UFOs, liberal news, something, something.

WAR IS PEACE! IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH! WHATEVER THE THIRD ONE IS!

Freedom is slavery.

You just blew my mind.

I think it depends on the person more then the world, personally I couldn't care less about either.

As someone who is totally not a conspiracy theorist, I completely agree.

Says a lot about the US, not the world.

It says a lot about the media...

No it doesn't. Says a lot about a us citizen, tho.

Not really, since the use of Drones is currently legal, whereas smoking crack is not.

Who is this "we" that is freaking out? It seems like "we" are freaking out because that's what's on the news, but the news doesn't seem to represent how I, or anyone I know well feels.

I think it says more about the world that they freak out about a crack smoking mayor but not a drone strike president.

Not accurate -- people read about the crack-smoking mayor, and they point and laugh. People read about drone strikes and it makes them sick. They have been complaining for a long time, and the only ones that act like everyone is totally fine with it are media liars on the payroll. NO ONE I have ever met in real life -- including the most anti-muslim, pro 2nd-amendment, Hell-Yeah-America cowboys -- buys the line that killing Pakistani goat herders with drone strikes is protecting us in any way.

Hey everyone lets talk about tdots mayor instead of important environmental issues like the keystone xl pipeline

I bet Harper is paying the media to take the heat off him to not have to answer the wallin, Duffy, Brazeau issue...I hope they don't let that fade away.

This is just the simple NIMBY syndrom (Not-in-my-backyard). Drones are murdering people they don't know or care about. But hot damn someone is smoking crack on the same contintent? Instant outrage.

That's like during the 90's when people freaked over Clinton getting a bj, but not Bush launching a war without congressional approval.

How little things change

Congress overwhelmingly authorized the use of military force against "terrorists" and against Iraq

Clinton overwhelmingly authorized the use of genital force against "classy women" and against Monica Lewinsky

I dont get it. Did you know jfk would fuck women in the pool at the white house and he would have secret service hold their head under water right as he was about to jizz?

That's the coolest use of secret service I've ever heard of. Right on, JFK!

And the ones who didn't, found anthrax in their mailboxes.

Um...wrong.

Bush had congressional approval. Senate Joint Resolution 23 by the United States Congress on September 14, 2001 for Afghanistan and House Joint Resolution 114 by the United States Congress in October 2002 for Iraq.

You're either uninformed or willfully deceptive. Which is it?

So, Clinton should have first been given Congressional approval for the blow job?

Juvenile and irrelevant comment.

My response to the spirit of WalkonWalrus's

How about a whole continent of people dying of AIDS and starvation while the rest of the world is freaking out about Kim Kardashian's new baby?

You can't smoke crack in the interests of national security though.

... who has probably smoked crack himself.

Just saying.

No it doesn't. Drone strikes in theory could be useful if committed carefully by a democratically representative government. Smoking crack, on the other hand has no potential benefit to constituents.

Who gives a shit about a crack smoking mayor?? Did you hear Justin Beiber shaved his head?!?!? OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG

Wait, he did?! I better hit up http://www.tmz.com real quick! Thanks!

That's not an unusual plea deal in Canada, as well the Crown could've rejected the deal, so could the judge.

The plea deal would have to come from the Crown, I don't believe the police have the authority to offer any sort of plea deal to Hashimi.

Normally, when there's going to be a plea deal, the defense and the Crown submit a joint plea deal, with a recommendation for sentencing, Crown on the high end, defense on the low end and the judge chooses something in the middle.

So, it does make perfect sense for the Crown to ask Hashimi, or for the defense to ask Hashimi to give up the info for a better conviction.

Whether or not this happened, we will probably never know.

We can infer that it was a cover up. Ford was not charged, or even brought in for questioning in relation to the murder.. yet the police have an incriminating tape that people were hunted, beaten, shot and killed over.

Besides, there's enough history of corruption in the police force that is common knowledge. Also, many in the judicial system have been implied threats relating to their own drug use and other 'skeletons'

The aspens are connected at the roots.. or so they say.

Doug Ford could probably ruin a few dozen careers on his own. A reputed drug kingpin in the city surely sold it to/through judges, lawyers and cops.

It's a hell of a drug.

That guy is entirely full of shit, holy hell his twitter reads like someone who started smoking weed wayyyy too early

Because, there is an admission from hiz honor that he smoked crack, he didn't really smoke crack he smoked UFOs, liberal news, something, something.