Many people aren't here to search for the truth. This goes for both sides of the argument. There are people here with nothing else than an agenda to disrupt discussion. There are also people here that do nothing but cling onto out dated or dis-proven theories.

There are people here though that would love to discuss the topics openly and would actually like to see real evidence that disproves a theory. It bothers you at first that something you believed was wrong. That is human nature. You become better at accepting these things and understand that by ignoring the evidence you will never find the truth which is more important than your pride.

There isn't a problem with this sub in the way that you think. The problem is human nature and the messy business of piecing puzzles together which are actively being covered up by billions of dollars and millions of people.

Exactly. Great comment.

I like having my theories challenged, but the debate here quickly devolves into name calling.

Most of the non "truther" people that come here demanding answers, contra OP's insinuation, are here to disrupt and ridicule, not seek answers.

Look how many people here cross post at Conspiratard which is set up specifically to troll this sub. These people are not here in good faith to debate the truth of a matter.

Yes, but often many people will have their theories question and immediately call shill.

It would be better to defend your theory regardless of if it's a troll or not. If it becomes clear they're a troll then you move on.

Which is what I do except I take the bait sometimes and engage even after I realize the person is a troll. I give most the benefit of the doubt at first and even use trolls to explore a point.

But trolls are very disruptive and we shouldn't make excuses for these Conspiratard assholes.

I think they should be banned from here . . . hell, their main goal is to troll and disrupt this sub and it would be nice to eliminate some of the distraction.

Well there are people who investigated 9/11 for at least 7 years and they do not need to explain constantly everything and all the facts they know. When you get passed a treshold of adaptive expertise some facts are given in a certain group.

There are more appropriate playgrounds on reddit than this subredit for ignorant people who prefer somebody explains to them everything like to a five year old instead to make personal efforts and all the basic research by themselves.

I think you are part of the problem and I do not see any problem at all with this sub. Just do not hit your head when you walk over to /r/conspiratard.

I have come to the conclusion that almost everyone who comes here as a tard troll, skeptic, or paid shill has numbers (either all or in part) in their usernames. I noticed this a few weeks ago. Start being cognizant of their usernames and the shit they ask/say and you start to notice it.

Maybe it's easier to keep track of one's different sockpuppets that way?

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This is a valid use of ad hominem . . . it's hard to debate someone who is ignorant.

"Ignorant" is not necessarily a pejorative.

It's hard to have a debate with someone who isn't knowledgeable about the basic facts of say a 9/11 conspiracy theory . . . and who is hostile toward the basic facts and have a preconceived idea the facts in support of the theory are wrong and "crazy" and refuse to learn anything about it.

This is a disruptive action rather than an enlightening action.

I love being challenged on my conspiracy theories and will even change my opinion if presented with solid evidence or reasoning. I don't like disruptive ignorant people that hijack discussions though.

'This subreddit is a thinking ground' Unless you aren't a truther or don't believe we live in a dictatorship.

Citations? I doubt that citations of your claim can be shown since that statement contains two stereotypical generalizations.

you don't know shit, that is your problem

How does that support your claim of this subreddit not being a thinking a ground for people who are not "truthers" or "don't believe we live in a dictatorship"?

I'll ask one more time, how does any of this support your claim that I originally quoted?

I'll quote it again with some added emphasis:

'This subreddit is a thinking ground' Unless you aren't a truther or don't believe we live in a dictatorship.

The two terms that I emphasized in the previous quote are complete generalizations. I need you to show explicitly where only "truthers" and those who "don't believe we live in a dictatorship" are allowed free thought in /r/conspiracy. I do not fall under either category you listed yet I completely disagree with your claim.

I'll dissect that claim you stated as fact without citations even further.

don't believe we live in a dictatorship.

Where are you referring to exactly? Are you aware that there a still countries with literal dictatorships in existence?

You made the claim as a statement so it is your burden to cite sources to prove it. Again, I find it likely that your claim will be a difficult one to prove. You have yet to do so in three replies.

Also, how will citing downvoted comments prove your claim? I doubt that all of your downvoted comments were downvoted for "solely not being a truther." That again is a complete generalization. You likely cannot prove that your comments were downvoted for one reason alone. How can you even prove the motive behind downvotes? Are you aware of the thought processes behind each individual downvoting you? How can you even be sure that a person downvoting you personally identifies as a "truther"?

This will likely be my last reply if you continue in failing to provide explicit proof of your claims.

the problem is people like you who don't know shit but think you do thinking most of these topics are up for debate. many, indeed most, are proven beyond a reasonable doubt, if you actually do the work to learn the topic. the final resolution, the "fullstop" can and usually is up for debate but the basics of the conspiracy, or the question of is it or is it not a conspiracy, are not.

are proven beyond a reasonable doubt

Were that true, they would be news, not conspiracy.

lol sure. who owns the media? dumbass.

do not try to debate subjects you don't know or understand.

go and learn instead.

i dont go and hang out in /r/subatomicphysics and tell them all they're wrong and they should listen to my views. i don't know the subject and i'm not all that interested either.

rofl listen to yourself...

Yeah and Copernicus should have spent more time considering the possibility that the Earth was the center of the solar system. He was a kook. That was the main problem with Copernicus.

Most people who post here think that their 'conspiracies' aren't open to scrutiny or inspection.

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we

As a regular at another sub dedicated to trolling/shilling this sub, you have no reasonable excuse to include yourself as one of "we" at /r/conspiracy.

You guys remind me of two-year olds demanding detailed proofs of the existence of quarks then throwing tantrums when you don't get what you want, as if you would even understand it.

It happens. We can complain about it (which changes nothing) or we can find the others on here dedicated to well conducted discussions/debate.

I agree, often timez its hard to find said individuals. But they are out there. Ive met many redditors on this sub who were willing to conduct civil debates. You just have to find them amongst the ignorant folks. Its hard, but possible.

The easiest way is to make a claim, and back it up with sources, and invite civil discussion about it. Making generalizations only invites those who go looking for things to "correct". Make it simple, and to the point, with as little generlizations as possible. When speculating on the claim, after you cite yoir source, admit that you are speculating and kindly invite other peoplez opinions on the matter. Dont make it sound like you are offering your speculations as fact..

These are some tips to sort out those who want to debate and those who wish to assert their "intelligence" (nice way of saying those who only want to argue...). Hope it helps..

Thank you for this however there are some people who truly believe that conspiracies are false. They are I suppose what you call a "sheeple" even though I don't personally care for that terminology.

You mean, in addition to the 'Israel is at fault for everything under the sun' posts? Or the new crop of alarmist Fukushima posts? The "thinking ground" bit is a mere suggestion anymore. If you question the status-quo, you're a shill.

Duh. If it was about the truth, it'd just be another news sub. It NEEDS to be crazy in here, if it's going to stay about conspiracies.

lol sure. who owns the media? dumbass.