Food for thought: Shills are buying old accounts for credibility and trolling this sub.
0 2013-12-13 by [deleted]
If you spot dismissive skeptics with few posts in this sub and constant barrage of nay-saying, you got one. Don't forget to tag them.
edit: flood of downvotes on my throwaway. keep at it guys, come on in and defend yourselves, makes my job infinitely easier than spotting you in the wild.
edit 2: going to lunch and then going home. I'll debunk you all later when I get home.
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61 neurofluxation 2013-12-13
FYI guys, I'm unsubscribing from /r/conspiracy. It's become a circle jerk of childish cunts.
4 iam_sancho2 2013-12-13
Nooooo!
-22 Sabremesh 2013-12-13
Many people come to r/conspiracy with an ingrained viewpoint that their mainstream media conditioned "knowledge" is the truth, and the burden of proof remains on the doubters.
These people ironically refer to themselves as "skeptics" but they are anything but.
Don't be one these people. Be open-minded and hold up the mainstream view to the same burden of proof. You won't get anything out of /r/conspiracy if you come here a skeptic other than hostility.
2 iam_sancho2 2013-12-13
...but hostility and contempt are the hallmark traits of a brilliant mind, as everyone knows. I actually appreciate the accounts from conspiratard setting me back on the right path of truth with their name calling and nonsensical arguments.
0 Sabremesh 2013-12-13
Yeah, I have a feeling that half of r/conspiratard must have descended to derail this particular discussion. It was like an ambush by an army of Orcs.
To be honest, the "Obama defence league" have been a serious disruptive element since this subreddit started in 2008. They deliberately derail any attempt to discuss Obama's background, education, eligibility - it's crazy.
-14 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Talk about a honey pot?? Works everytime. Tag 'em while you can.
-33 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Hope to see you again soon under another name. Then that one will get tagged, rinse, repeat.
28 neurofluxation 2013-12-13
If anyone cares - I'm not changing names. I won't re-sign up. I'm me, no shill. I believe what I want, not what others tell me and I for sure do not believe this son of a bitch just because he says so.
-31 [deleted] 2013-12-13
You're welcome to not believe my theory. That's how free speech works, you know.
Now please, take your ball and go home. You won't be missed.
10 Nemesis6 2013-12-13
You simpleton. Do you really think you can fight us? Your fellow redditors are downvoting you like crazy simply for telling the truth. The only thing your little attempt at calling us out has accomplished is you being marginalized by your peers.
-2 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Thanks for commenting. Tagged.
27 magister0 2013-12-13
Everything you post is complete bullshit. I hope you get banned.
-4 [deleted] 2013-12-13
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2 ninoreno 2013-12-13
ill sell you an old account i have for credibility and all
there free though with an illuminati corp. ID
-22 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Another tagged visitor, just as expected. Tell your friends, it makes my job easier.
16 stormin5532 2013-12-13
This post is stupid.
-18 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Thanks for wasting your time on me. Who's stupid now?
16 stormin5532 2013-12-13
Pretty sure you are buddy.
-15 [deleted] 2013-12-13
You find commenting on stupid posts productive or rational?
8 stormin5532 2013-12-13
Well not really, but i do like procrastinating.
-10 [deleted] 2013-12-13
I appreciate your worthless time to gang up on a stranger for the sake of... procrastinating.
Sure.
6 stormin5532 2013-12-13
Thank you for the complement. I am a lazy bastard.
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26 neurofluxation 2013-12-13
Proof to back up your claims?
33 moparornocar 2013-12-13
You're a shill if you disagree with anything in here.
Best to just let them call shill all they want, speak your opinion and don't let others influence what you want to say.
This sub is for open discussion whether you agree or not, we're all here for discussion.
0 zppa 2013-12-13
ok, so ya have proof? it's a common question to y'all. Neuro asked this question and gets called a shill. So put up or shutup
3 moparornocar 2013-12-13
proof of what?
That people call shill because you disagree with something?
-26 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Shills are very defensive. They will not tolerate being called out.
Also, I've had you tagged for a long, long time. Nice to see you here.
16 moparornocar 2013-12-13
Good for you, I don't deny I doubt a lot of stuff without evidence in here, and counter with evidence and sources.
It doesn't really matter to me what you have me tagged as, i'm going to speak my opinion.
9 strokethekitty 2013-12-13
I can vouche for mopar here. we may have differing opinions but from what ive personally seem this dude is no shill.
8 moparornocar 2013-12-13
Thank you, I do certainly lean more on the doubt side of the fence, but we all have differing amounts of doubt/belief in conspiracy theories here.
-13 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Doubt 99.9%, belief 0.1% (when all debunking fails).
Prove me wrong.
12 strokethekitty 2013-12-13
Are you implying that youd rather him believe in something that does not convince him, on the merit of an unknown poster or article? Its okay for someone to disagree, even to disagree the majority of the time, so long as they provide reasons for/against.
-15 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Can you let the man answer for himself? Or do you babysit on occasion?
11 strokethekitty 2013-12-13
Implied ad hominum attack, huh?
No i was asking you honestly because if that was the case, your arrogant and condescending replies to all the comments in your post would make sense.
-4 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Disregard my attack, and focus on the first part which you failed to address: Can you let the man answer for himself?
3 strokethekitty 2013-12-13
Im letting him answer for himself. I havent answered on his behalf. I just asked you a question. The answer to which could make sense of your arrogance and condescending remarks.
-1 [deleted] 2013-12-13
You butted in our discussion before he answered a question directed to him. Is that letting him answer for himself, or are you the same person?
You could've done that on it's own thread, not in the middle of ours. Why didn't you?
6 strokethekitty 2013-12-13
I see where youre coming from. Now i understand why you think i was answering for him. My apologies. My question was placed there because i found it most relevant there, when you asked about the 99.9% vs the 0.1%. The intention wasnt to butt in, but rather to be placed close to the comment i was referring to.
Ill be sure to start a new thread and use the permalink feature next time, seeing how you are sensitive about the placement of replies.
0 Black-Knyght 2013-12-13
Five hours and still no answer.
-19 [deleted] 2013-12-13
So... only you are allowed to have opinions with having to cite passages from all the books in the library of congress as sources?
You said it, compadre.
10 moparornocar 2013-12-13
No, i'm saying the things I doubt are claims without evidence. Not that I show no evidence myself.
Sorry my wording is not too great.
-13 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Part of the fun is doing the research. What would be the difference between TV news and this place if you don't bother to fact check yourself, instead rely 100% on others to spoon-feed and convince you?
6 moparornocar 2013-12-13
I actually do usually try and research the topic myself before leaving a comment. I'll admit I didn't use to research on my own before leaving comments, but realized I was wrong with some of them. So I made it a priority to make sure I do research the topic myself before making a comment of doubt.
So no, I do not rely on others to spoon feed me anything. Shit, half the time the OP doesn't even read the article, and I find something that contradicts the post in the article.
Just yesterday someone was saying an MMR vaccine was to blame over shaken baby syndrome for a babies death, even though the father said he shook the baby multiple times after it fell off a couch. People don't read half the shit they post here.
You can keep trying to discredit me, that's fine, but it won't discredit the facts I pass along or add to the conversations on here. Ignore all you want, but truth is still truth no matter what you believe.
-13 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Since I really don't feel like going through your comment history, I would appreciate if you cited one of your comments where you are in consensus with the OP, or maybe a post of yours with a legit conspiracy. Hopefully the latter, but either will do.
You came in here on the defensive, now I need to verify that's just your nature and that you're not trying to become the very description on this post.
13 moparornocar 2013-12-13
It's funny you call me out saying I have to be spoon fed for not doing my own research then ask me to do that exact thing for you. That's fine though, let me see what i can find.
-8 [deleted] 2013-12-13
I gave you my reasons. I don't have all day to read your inane comments.
Care to indulge me now? Or do you have something to hide?
9 jorgemilanski 2013-12-13
You have formed an opinion about moparornocar without sufficient evidence. Now it's up to mopa to prove your opinion wrong, despite the fact that your opinion has been formed upon insufficient evidence.
Yeah, you're a conspiracy theorist.
-8 [deleted] 2013-12-13
I didn't know moparornocar needed others to fight his battles for him.
What I'm presenting here is a theory. Why so defensive? Something bothering you?
6 jorgemilanski 2013-12-13
How do you define theory? I mean, other than in the most colloquial definition, a theory is based on evidence. Not on baseless conjecture that stands in place of evidence until disproved.
-4 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Then you need a new dictionary.
Based on your definition of "theory", every conspiracy "theory" here has evidence to support it. How may posts on this sub can you say have all the necessary criteria to please your definition?
2 jorgemilanski 2013-12-13
Can I get a translation here please?
-1 [deleted] 2013-12-13
How may posts on this sub can you say have all the necessary criteria to please your definition of "theory"?
3 jorgemilanski 2013-12-13
Hey, simmer down now. Let's stay on topic and refrain from hamfisted deflections here.
My definition of theory is irrelevant here, as you were the one who claimed your unsubstantiated opinion was, in fact, a "theory". I simply asked you to define "theory", as it appeared to me that you were using the term in place of 'conjecture'.
Based off your attempted deflection, I am led to believe that perhaps you cannot answer so simple a question as the one that I had asked.
-5 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Way to stay on topic there, chief.
Based off your attempt at deflection.... your definition of theory is irrelevant. Therefore, allow me define it for you.
7 jorgemilanski 2013-12-13
Wow.
-6 [deleted] 2013-12-13
I know. The things I put up with...
7 moparornocar 2013-12-13
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3 strokethekitty 2013-12-13
Haha he only asked for one. You did a bit of overkill there in my opinion. I doubt OP can even count that high...
3 moparornocar 2013-12-13
I'm at work with nothing to do lol. Thought i'd go above and beyond.
-8 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Link seven, shilling for Monsanto? Nice gig. They pay well?
7 moparornocar 2013-12-13
I forgot disagreeing with something means you're a paid shill.
I wish someone would pay me for speaking my mind though, that would be a nice gig. All I get is satisfaction of spreading my opinion, you can think shill if it makes you feel better though.
-5 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Disagreeing, no. Fiercely disagreeing, yes.
Defending the most evil corporation on the planet (on any level)? Most definitely.
Thanks for providing the rope to hang yourself.
4 moparornocar 2013-12-13
I can go along with it and say i'm a paid shill if it makes you feel better, the fact is, people disagree with conspiracy theories. Trying to a lot a reason to make you feel better about it, and denying the fact that someone can disagree with that without getting paid for it is fine by me. Doesn't really matter one bit to me what you think of my comments/opinions.
It's not going to change one thing I do on this sub, but if it helps ya sleep at night, do what you please.
-4 [deleted] 2013-12-13
You came to me, giving me reasons to believe you are not a shill. I never accused you until you manifested in a very defensive manner. This tells me you have something to prove, regardless of being asked. Very shilly.
4 moparornocar 2013-12-13
Actually I commented on someone elses reply here, then with your very first comment to me, you called me a shill. You replied to my comment first, not the other way around.
Or are you just not able to remember what you have said already?
-5 [deleted] 2013-12-13
I called you a shill because as my comment clearly stated, I've had you tagged for a while, that's the purpose of tags, to not have to rummage through your history everytime I need to out you.
8 moparornocar 2013-12-13
You're contradicting yourself. Have a great day, i'm moving on to better conversations, i've said what I need to here. Not really any more reason to put up with your contradictions and shill call outs. You are not adding anything to this sub further than looking crazy.
Have a great day.
-4 [deleted] 2013-12-13
I got what I created this post for, so I should be thanking you. So, thank you. Hope to see you around.
9 HeLMeT_Ne 2013-12-13
Account is 12 days old. Can verify that is a long, long time.
-11 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Look at my edit on this post: "edit: flood of downvotes on my throwaway. keep at it guys, come on in and defend yourselves, makes my job infinitely easier than spotting you in the wild."
3 NuclearOops 2013-12-13
A lot like you?
I'm on to you shill. Consider yourself tagged.
-10 [deleted] 2013-12-13
What makes you think I'm a shill? What's my agenda?
10 [deleted] 2013-12-13
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-1 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Thanks for commenting. Tagged. Whoops, already tagged.
1 [deleted] 2013-12-13
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-2 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Cut and paste. I care not what you say.
1 [deleted] 2013-12-13
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0 [deleted] 2013-12-13
I saw an oranged, I clicked reply, pasted.
Now you've gone and made me waste my time replying again because you don't know how to reddit. Thanks Obama.
1 [deleted] 2013-12-13
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1 [deleted] 2013-12-13
You try to shill, but you don't shill. You're painfully obvious.
1 [deleted] 2013-12-13
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0 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Like your mom.
1 NuclearOops 2013-12-13
Obviously to sow distrust among people who know the truth to keep them from ever banding together against your puppet masters.
1 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Thanks for commenting. Tagged.
1 NuclearOops 2013-12-13
Right back at you, shill.
-15 [deleted] 2013-12-13
You. Thanks for stopping by.
16 [deleted] 2013-12-13
I know you'll call me a shill but I just wanted to say that this kind of behaviour is not productive for this sub. Asking for someone to show how they came to a conclusion should not be met with hostility.
7 neurofluxation 2013-12-13
Thanks dude - Much love
-12 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Now kiss.
Do you guys share a cubicle?
11 [deleted] 2013-12-13
So you've determined that I'm a shill based on the fact that I didn't like that you met an honest question with an attack?
If I had to make a bet I'd bet that you were the shill who is here to make /r/conspiracy members stupid.
-10 [deleted] 2013-12-13
And you would lose that bet.
6 [deleted] 2013-12-13
As would you on if I were a shill.
You still ignored what I asked though. You really think I'm a shill just because I stuck up for a guy asking an honest question?
-11 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Yes, because you fail to see the obvious (on purpose?) or just lack critical thinking skills.
11 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Well that's not what a shill is. A shill is someone who posts someone elses opinions for money.
I fail to see how you've determined that I'm a shill.
Some things are not so obvious to some people. There was a post the other day about a shill on /b/ and that was obvious. To me that was a great post with proof to back up its claim. That's all I ask of you, some sort of evidence of what you post about, otherwise why post at all?
-7 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Defensive much? Very shilly.
Badgering for proof on a theory? Plain retarded.
3 [deleted] 2013-12-13
I'm not defensive and I never asked for proof on a theory let alone badgered you for it.
I referenced another topic as an example of how giving proof can make your topics better. You may have noticed that your topic currently has a negative vote total. I guess I'm not the only one who sees it as useless. Maybe try emulating some of the more popular posts in this forum such as the ones that provide evidence to back up their claims. Just some advice.
-16 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Shills will most definitely be met with hostility. It's the only language they know.
Like the douche who commented, he wants evidence instead of using his brain. Or maybe he just wants to do a little resource burn? Or just lazy? Or maybe he's just afraid the jig is up.
If you don't believe my theory, you are welcome to downvote and move on. I'm not here to educate anyone. Do the research yourselves.
9 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Your're troll game is respectable
-7 [deleted] 2013-12-13
I would say I certainly know how to put them away properly.
2 strokethekitty 2013-12-13
You forgot to tag this guy too btw..
0 [deleted] 2013-12-13
That's for me to decide.
7 neurofluxation 2013-12-13
I'm such a shill, I totally bought my account and definitely don't own the photo restoration website I've been pushing. I knew you would reply like this.
I never said I didn't believe you, I asked for "proof to back up your claims" that is all.
[edit] to phrase it another way "Where did you find out this information?"
-12 [deleted] 2013-12-13
This proves my point
You whole comment history is nay-saying. Some conspiracy theorist you are.
5 neurofluxation 2013-12-13
*sigh* So, I'll ask again Where did you find out this information?
-13 [deleted] 2013-12-13
That's for me to know, for you to find out. You know, investigate. That's what we do here.
Want to be spoon-fed your information? Stick to Faux News then.
7 neurofluxation 2013-12-13
To quote one of your posts:
Obviously this isn't shill like at all, and is definitely not retracting from the question or debate at hand. You can label me a shill all you want, I know what I am - so very politely, I ask you again. Either give us evidence to back up your claims, or you are just spreading "hear-say"... You know... Disinformation...
[edit] Investigate is not what you do here by the way, you are vulgar and needlessly angry. That is all
-12 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Hm... character assassination. Typical shill move.
You do realize 90% of this sub falls under that category?
Or? How about you do some work yourself for a change.
You've been outed. Get over it.
7 neurofluxation 2013-12-13
You do know that acting like this is causing you to be labelled immature and generally a "nasty cunt"?
And If I wanted to really character assassinate you, it wouldn't be hard.
Quoting someones posts is not character assassination. It's just quoting
-10 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Cherry picking controversial posts to discredit someone is.
In your case, I used one to prove my point that you never agree with OP. Therefore, very shilly.
6 neurofluxation 2013-12-13
Not true, I just don't agree with you.
That is, someone that makes a claim then outright refuses to provide proof and says "ner ner find out yourself". Childish. I'm ending this conversation now.
-2 [deleted] 2013-12-13
I would hope so, shill.
1 Funkfest 2013-12-13
It's called burden of proof. You want to persuade/convince someone, you have to provide the proof.
1 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Where did I say that was my intention?
18 Yserbius 2013-12-13
...says the guy with a 12 day old account
-21 [deleted] 2013-12-13
What's your point? We're debating old accounts.
9 Yserbius 2013-12-13
My point is that you look and smell like those "shill" you so often rail against. You're a brand new account that post only on very specific topics with a very specific agenda.
How many other accounts do you use and how are you any different than these alleged "shills" and "sockpuppets"? Stop ruining /r/conspiracy. Go back to /r/conspiratard or wherever you came from.
-9 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Give me a theory here and I'll give you my position on it.
We're discussing old accounts, because new ones are too obvious, obviously.
I for one, tend to to side on the side of OP before screaming PROOF! SOURCE! I give people the benefit of the doubt.
9 Yserbius 2013-12-13
I'm giving you a theory: You have multiple accounts which you use to upvote your own stuff multiple times and pretend that there are several people who agree with your opinion. Pure sockpuppetry.
We're not discussing old accounts, we're discussing something that you like to call "shills". I'm not entirely certain what it is due to the numerous and contradictory explanations this sub offers, but you seem to fulfill a lot of the criteria necessary for being one.
So a "shill" according to you is someone who demands proof of any claim by the OP, no matter how ridiculous, and a good redditor is one who mindlessly agrees on everything said? That seems to be in direct contradiction to what I've heard about what a "shill" is. Namely, a guy who pushes an agenda and argues and downvotes against everything that's against said agenda.
-9 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Hmm.. I currently have -174 comment karma. Debunked.
I am. Post title: "Food for thought: Shills are buying old accounts for credibility and trolling this sub."
Like I said, give me a theory and I'll tell you my position.
What would that be exactly?
Like the shills here downvoting me to oblivion?
6 Yserbius 2013-12-13
Yes, this is probably just your "upvote" account. Who knows what your other accounts karma is at. Unless you're willing to post it.
The implication being that new accounts are not trustworthy. You are a new account ergo, by your own logic you should not be trustworthy.
This account is just an empty one used for upvoting your main account. That's this "shilling" thing you people love to talk about.
From what I can discern from this account (who knows what you're upvoting on your primary accounts) you are overly concerned with a simple hand gesture that a child made and overly concerned that everyone who does not share your concern is part of an evil hive-minded corporation or government. Virtually everything in your history is either pushing a specific facet of the Sandy Hook conspiracy fantasies or whining about everyone who doesn't.
See what I mean? You cannot take criticism so you call everyone who disagrees with you a "shill" which is a word you are finding it increasingly difficult to define as it encompasses more and more people.
So why don't you come clean? Your account is 15 days old. If you're not just an alt account, then why did you come here? How can you claim such a vast amount of knowledge of the inner workings of the various reddit communities in such a short time? How did you find this subreddit?
2 strokethekitty 2013-12-13
Haha. Look, i may not agree with this dude all the time, but this was funny..
-1 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Thanks for commenting. Tagged.
2 strokethekitty 2013-12-13
You logic astounds me.
All this talking about tagging. Whats that mean btw?
0 [deleted] 2013-12-13
RES-tag. I means I know who you are from your name alone, therefore ignore anything you say in any post because, well, you're a nay-saying shill.
2 strokethekitty 2013-12-13
Is it possible that you dont have the mental capacity to just... remember names?
0 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Being organized is wrong? Or do you rely on your memory for everything?
2 strokethekitty 2013-12-13
Do you always answer a question with another question in an attempt to avoid attention to your fallacies? Or do you just copy and paste from a script?
1 [deleted] 2013-12-13
That didn't answer my question. Do you rely on your memory for everything? I don't, so I tag. That's what technology is for, making lives easier dumbass. Happy?
2 strokethekitty 2013-12-13
So then you admit you dont have the mental capacity to remember the names.
I mostly rely on my memory. But, as a failsafe, i usually remember how to obtain info that i might forget.
1 [deleted] 2013-12-13
I admit I use technology for my benefit.
Do you know the phone numbers and addresses of all your contacts?
1 strokethekitty 2013-12-13
Thats much more information than just names. I remember the names of all the people in my contacts. You see, i have the mental aptitude for such an undertaking as remembering names.
1 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Easy when you only know mom and dad.
Are you trying to accomplish something here?
1 strokethekitty 2013-12-13
Only lighthearted jest.
But for real now, whats your goal for this post? What are you trying to accomplish? If its for more in depth discussion im all for it. But the jousting got boring now..
1 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Of course, because you admitting you're just out to ridicule and discredit, like a good little shill, is not good for business, you suddenly care about the facts. Go fuck yourself.
1 strokethekitty 2013-12-13
What facts did you present?
1 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Nice. This was not my point. I got what I came for.
1 strokethekitty 2013-12-13
And what did you come here for?
1 [deleted] 2013-12-13
So curious!
1 strokethekitty 2013-12-13
I answered my own question...
13 Extradaemon 2013-12-13
Wow, talk about a hypocrite OP. Holy shit this is just gold.
3 strokethekitty 2013-12-13
Be careful mentioning gold around here, lest you summon /u/letsownthenwo and have him begging someone here for some of it... :-P
4 Extradaemon 2013-12-13
Is he the guy that claimed of being censored even though all his posts reached frontpage? That was also pretty funny.
3 strokethekitty 2013-12-13
I think that was /u/aaaa222 actually. But yea, it was kind of funny.
-1 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Thanks for commenting. Tagged.
1 Rusty5hackleford 2013-12-13
Tag me too! I think you're a idiot shill as well! Tag me! I don't wanna be left off your fucking insane list.
-2 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Done. You've been added to "The Fucking Insane List".
1 Extradaemon 2013-12-13
Thanks for the tag, it's an honour.
12 strokethekitty 2013-12-13
Honestly i dont think anyone is really paid to be here and spit bullshit. At least not in the numbers that parallel the use of the term "shill" like OP tends to spew.
More often than not, someone is called a shill because they dont believe in another persons claim. This brings about the "shill" exchange and then the arguing ensues. Nothing about that is productive or relevant to this sub.
Very few, and i mean VERY few people on here could actually be shills. id say about 99.9% of those called shills just disagree with someone amd lack the conversational tact to do so in a constructive manner. It would behove this sub if we all followed ettiquette in debate. OP makes a claim, provides evidence or sources for such claim, then redditors get to dissect that info and provide their arguments for or against OPs claim, including evidence and sources themselves.
As we all know, this usually does not happen, because in the early stages of debate the word "shill" gets tossed around and halts all productivity.
While i agree that there are certainly a type of redditor that goes around trying to disprove everybody and inculcate the false idea that they are superior in knowledge and wisdom, this alone doesnt make them a shill. It just makes them douchebags.
Now, with all that said, OP, if you have evidence that certain accounts have been bought for the sole purpose of "shilling", please provide sources or relevant information that could be considered evidence. The onus of support for your claims is on you, as the OP.
OP, making assinine comments in reply to people asking for supporting sources of your claim is childish and counterproductive to your seeming goal of ousting "shills." Unless it is your intent to act like a douchebag, this would be a very beneficial lesson in conversational tact for you to learn.
5 Letterbocks 2013-12-13
Absolutely agree, crying shill at every oppositional opinion discredits the sub and people's arguments far more than having somebody voice doubt. Especially when people resort to rude replies, it's embarrassing.
-2 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Thanks for commenting. Tagged.
-8 [deleted] 2013-12-13
If anyone had evidence of this, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Asking for the impossible, very shilly.
The very essence of shills is evading detection. If they were easily detected, they would not last long, obviously.
My hypothesis is based on old accounts that do nothing by nay-say. Before it was new accounts that got called out, but that was way too obvious. What do to? Buy old ones. Problem solved.
Want me to continue doing your thinking for you, or was that enough?
3 strokethekitty 2013-12-13
I didnt think you would actually provide any source. Good job. This article of a guys confession is very in depth, and very narrative. To me, it sounds more made up than anything, but i am capable of entertaining the idea that this guy was being honest.
But first, i found this ironic in regards to your post and the manner of which you conducted this post:
I just wanted to point that out for your convenience, OP.
As far as your hypothesis (and again, i disbelieve your claim, but ill entertain its plausibility) that would make sense. I guess i just dont see how they would buy the older accounts without the original owner blowing the whistle about it. But, entertaining this as a possibility, i will keep my eye out for the patterns of which you described.
Again, the word to learn here is TACT. By offering supporting evidence or sources to your claim, you are by no means doing any thinking on the behalf of anyone else. And, it turns out, one article about one mans confession isnt enough to persuade me to thinking this is in fact true. I reserve my critical thinking abilities to myself based on evidence that is presented to me. And while i admit this is a good article, i struggle to find any credibility with that site in and of itself, much less the guy by the alias of "exshill."
I will, however, keep an open mind of your hypothesis and investigate further via the patterns you described and in the contents of the article you so graciously allowed us to analyze.
-6 [deleted] 2013-12-13
It's called money. It does things to people.
3 strokethekitty 2013-12-13
I thought about that. But, i find it hard to believe that they would pay enough to keep the massive amounts of original account holders quiet. I understand we are talking about an entity that has a shit ton of money and would certainly be able to afford such investments, but those same entites are so wealthy because they understand the term "cost effectiveness". Its just not worth paying what it would take to keep the original account owners quiet to transform said accounts into shilling accounts. Especially seeing how little shills actually affect the communities in which they attempt to disrupt.
Im not saying its impossible, im just saying its improbable and they would invest their money on other mediums in order to garnish the influence in which they desire.
-5 [deleted] 2013-12-13
OWS happened because the internet was an effective, if not essential part of the movement. They know the danger opinion on the internet posese to the end game. So yea, VAST amounts of cash are being used to silence the internet.
I'm getting really tired of doing the thinking for all of you.
Do you even know how deductive reasoning works?
2 strokethekitty 2013-12-13
Deductive reasoning for the sake of one individuals claim is nothing more than blind speculation. Are you familiar with how peer reviewed discussion works?
Again, i can see how your hypothesis could work. I just doubt it. For me to keep quiet, they would have to pay me in sums of at least five digits. For every alleged shill account being bought, this would mean millions of dollars invested to buy old accounts. While shill acounts and paying for the operators of such would cost much less for an equal amount of effect. Like i said, i doubt your hypothesis because the entities are wealthy because they understand cost effectiveness, and its just not cost effective (in my opinion) to buy out older accounts.
-1 [deleted] 2013-12-13
On a theory?
Of course you do.
They do have that kind of scratch around, you know.
It's called black budget.
Cost effectiveness is irrelevant. They want to win the information war at all and any cost.
3 strokethekitty 2013-12-13
Of course. Why would you post a theory in this sub if you didnt want other people in this sub (peers) to review the information?
I understand. I just feel that the marginal benefits gained by such great investments wouldnt be feasible to such actions. The investments would be much better utilized if placed elsewhere. Buying older accounts for more credibility in the pursuit of more efficient disinformation wouldnt (in my opinion) garner enough benefit to warrant such approach. Like i said, these entities are wealthy for a reason. They are very intelligent. If their money can go ten times farther using a different approach, versus the marginal benefits of buying older accounts, they would pursue those former investments instead of the latter.
I agree that money is no issue with these entities, but this all seems like such a waste of investment to me. Theyd be better off continueing to build new accounts at much reduced cost and using the money they woukdve been spending on older accounts (that would produce very little increase in credibility and therefore influence) to spend on more fruitful endeavors in the pursuit of influence.
Thats my opinion, of course. And it is certainly viable that your hypothesis could be true. Id doubt it, but its possible. Often times intelligent people do unintelligent (or at least seemingly so) things. Or maybe im downplaying the pure vastness of their wealth. Thats possible too.
But where we stand with the information you provided for all of us for purposes of discussion towards your hypothesis, im still firm in my doubt.
I will, however, keep these possibilities in mind as i have other discussions with other redditors in the future.
11 [deleted] 2013-12-13
I'll sell my account for $2000.
8 moparornocar 2013-12-13
I wish I could, hell that'd be good money.
7 useless-member 2013-12-13
Paid and Most-Trusted Shill of the Reptilian Overlord Xenu commenting as a warning to u/IgnoreTheShill... you are getting too close to the truth for our master's comfort. You will be visited (again) and shoe pyramids will be left as proof All-Powerful Xenu's intentions to silence you! We have your domicile under constant surveillance therefore you are powerless to stop us in carrying out the Wrathful Xenu's biding.
2 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Thanks for commenting. Tagged.
6 lolasaurusrex1234 2013-12-13
If I could sell my account, or get paid to rustle the jimmies of retards like you I would.
1 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Thanks for commenting. Tagged.
4 Nemesis6 2013-12-13
Yeeesshhh, myeeeesh
1 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Thanks for commenting. Tagged.
3 absolutebeginners 2013-12-13
I work for the United States National Security Agency and I just bought this reddit username for $10,000 (taxpaymer money, suckers). Not a bad deal though, $.20 per comment karma. Please tag accordingly.
2 zppa 2013-12-13
if you had said bitcoin, I'd believe you. ;)
2 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Thanks for commenting. Tagged.
1 ninoreno 2013-12-13
dude you could have waited another month for your application to illuminati corp. to go through. Then you would have an ID and the reddit admins would give you a credible account fro free.
3 [deleted] 2013-12-13
The only reason you are making your posts that are stupid is cause you submitted other things and they didn't get attention and now you are acting out because of it. It's kinda sad really.
-1 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Thanks for commenting. Tagged.
1 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Where is your evidence of people buying accounts?
0 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Food for thought: Shills are buying old accounts for credibility and trolling this sub.
1 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Is there evidence of it happening?
2 MyUncleFuckedMe 2013-12-13
Surely this is a joke...
1 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Thanks for commenting. Tagged. Nevermind. Already tagged.
1 MyUncleFuckedMe 2013-12-13
Neat tale, comrade.
1 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Can you prove I was joking?
2 MyUncleFuckedMe 2013-12-13
Can you prove you exist?
2 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Apparently not, and based on this, it's safe to assume you like talking to robots. How sad.
1 MyUncleFuckedMe 2013-12-13
Can you prove robots exist?
1 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Mars rover is a robot.
What's your point?
1 MyUncleFuckedMe 2013-12-13
Can you prove that the mars rover exists? Can you prove that there is a point?
1 [deleted] 2013-12-13
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/home/index.html
No, you have yet to make one.
1 MyUncleFuckedMe 2013-12-13
A government website? I hardly consider that conclusive.
Can anyone have a real point?
1 [deleted] 2013-12-13
http://robots.mit.edu/
You can't, apparently.
1 MyUncleFuckedMe 2013-12-13
Institutions of higher educations are clearly under the influence of the government. Even a child would know that. Admit it, you have no real proof.
Apparently, it is all over your head.
1 [deleted] 2013-12-13
What about private institutions?
http://www.rethinkrobotics.com/products/baxter-research-robot/
[citation needed]
Yeah, if you could get that child to chime in for you, that would be great. Maybe he knows more than you.
I can out-troll you all day, any day. Your rhetoric is pathetic. Try debate class in your high school.
1 MyUncleFuckedMe 2013-12-13
Ehh, you win. I don't have the energy for this.
2 Aaron_is_cool 2013-12-13
Shill here. Can confirm, everything is out after you
2 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Thanks for commenting. Tagged.
1 UrbanToiletShrimp 2013-12-13
So far I've made over 20,000 dollars shilling on /r/conspiracy! Would you like to know more about how to earn lots of shillbucks from the ease of your own home? I swear this isn't another whacky pyramid scheme guys!
1 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Thanks for commenting. Tagged.
1 UrbanToiletShrimp 2013-12-13
The honor is all mine, thank you!
1 J4k0b42 2013-12-13
Post over in /r/beermoney, there's loads of people who would love to get a share of those sweet, sweet shillbucks.
1 ninoreno 2013-12-13
20,000 shillbucks ≈ 1666 jewgolds
FAQ | CONTACT
1 [deleted] 2013-12-13
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0 [deleted] 2013-12-13
"Don't look at this guy, don't pay attention to him". Very shilly.
Also, I do believe sandy hoax was faked.
2 [deleted] 2013-12-13
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0 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Proof?
Anyways, why was sandy hoax faked?
2 [deleted] 2013-12-13
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0 [deleted] 2013-12-13
So... no proof I'm from /r/conspiratard. Who would you just go out and say something without any base on facts or evidence? The nerve of some people.
Thank god. I though you were a robot.
Give me something then. Google that shit and give me a link.
So you hate your government?
1 [deleted] 2013-12-13
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1 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Actually, you just proved my point.
Since shills can't agree with conspiracy theories, you will not give me a link to the information you have regarding the subject, because then you will never be able to debunk that subject again.
This is fascinating. What are your thoughts on 9/11?
2 [deleted] 2013-12-13
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1 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Nothing still? Not surprising. I thought you guys wanted to spread the truth?
Educate me. Also, what are your thoughts on 9/11?
2 [deleted] 2013-12-13
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1 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Right. Some conspiracy theorist you are. Doesn't know jack shit about sandy hook or 9/11. What else are you out of the loop on?
2 [deleted] 2013-12-13
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0 [deleted] 2013-12-13
How about you give me a link, any link at all that says sandy hook was faked. I'll take anything. I need to know!
I just want you to admit it, which you can't.
1 [deleted] 2013-12-13
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1 [deleted] 2013-12-13
[citation needed]
Still waiting for that.
1 [deleted] 2013-12-13
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1 [deleted] 2013-12-13
No, I'm waiting for you to articulate yours. The burden of proof is on you.
1 [deleted] 2013-12-13
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1 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Of course, because you actually providing evidence for anything is out of the question. That's a shill no-no.
I know! Why did you call me a shill in the first place?
7 neurofluxation 2013-12-13
Thanks dude - Much love
-16 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Shills will most definitely be met with hostility. It's the only language they know.
Like the douche who commented, he wants evidence instead of using his brain. Or maybe he just wants to do a little resource burn? Or just lazy? Or maybe he's just afraid the jig is up.
If you don't believe my theory, you are welcome to downvote and move on. I'm not here to educate anyone. Do the research yourselves.
-5 [deleted] 2013-12-13
Disagreeing, no. Fiercely disagreeing, yes.
Defending the most evil corporation on the planet (on any level)? Most definitely.
Thanks for providing the rope to hang yourself.
11 strokethekitty 2013-12-13
Implied ad hominum attack, huh?
No i was asking you honestly because if that was the case, your arrogant and condescending replies to all the comments in your post would make sense.
4 moparornocar 2013-12-13
Actually I commented on someone elses reply here, then with your very first comment to me, you called me a shill. You replied to my comment first, not the other way around.
Or are you just not able to remember what you have said already?
2 strokethekitty 2013-12-13
Deductive reasoning for the sake of one individuals claim is nothing more than blind speculation. Are you familiar with how peer reviewed discussion works?
Again, i can see how your hypothesis could work. I just doubt it. For me to keep quiet, they would have to pay me in sums of at least five digits. For every alleged shill account being bought, this would mean millions of dollars invested to buy old accounts. While shill acounts and paying for the operators of such would cost much less for an equal amount of effect. Like i said, i doubt your hypothesis because the entities are wealthy because they understand cost effectiveness, and its just not cost effective (in my opinion) to buy out older accounts.
3 strokethekitty 2013-12-13
I think that was /u/aaaa222 actually. But yea, it was kind of funny.
1 MyUncleFuckedMe 2013-12-13
Neat tale, comrade.
2 ninoreno 2013-12-13
ill sell you an old account i have for credibility and all
there free though with an illuminati corp. ID
1 [deleted] 2013-12-13
What about private institutions?
http://www.rethinkrobotics.com/products/baxter-research-robot/
[citation needed]
Yeah, if you could get that child to chime in for you, that would be great. Maybe he knows more than you.
I can out-troll you all day, any day. Your rhetoric is pathetic. Try debate class in your high school.