Explain to me how a sub explicitly created to troll, demonize and make reddit think poorly of us could ever be considered the opposing side of the issue. Conspiritard is disgusting and any mod who sides with the pancake brigade needs to not only have mod privileges removed but he should also be banned from this sub. Reading his comments, its painfully obvious that this individual cares nothing for what this sub does and instead talks about us like a bunch of loons.
And can someone please send me evidence of this blatent racism that's so prominent in our sub. Regular contributors to this sub downvote 99% of the racist content and most of this content is obviously posted in a way to make us all look bad.
to the jidf conspiratard anything realistic, pointing to the truth or critical of jews zionism or israel is a threat and must be labelled lies, racism, nazism etc
Because that's not what /r/conspiratard is about. Sure their mods are weird (like their whole 6 year long war with NoLibs and some guy named Dusty who is now /u/ghostofdusty) and have some very disgusting things under their names (like the whole pancake/Corrie thing) but /r/conspiratard is about the insane side of conspiracy theories, of which this subreddit only plays a small part.
Seriously, do you regularly check their front page? Right now it's all about /r/conspiracy due to /u/solidwhetstone, but on the average day this subreddit makes up maybe one post in 20. Most of the rest is Facebook and Tumblr screenshots, links to fringe websites and links to other comments on reddit.
Let's take a look at their current front page. Only 5 out of the top twenty mention /r/conspiracy and they are all about the current drama. Going through the top 50 reveals only another 4, out of which 3 are related to /u/solidwhetstone.
So that's one post in 50 on average. I really don't see why people think that it's their entire schtick. There's enough crazy out there for everyone.
As for the racism, it's not as prevalent as it used to be. Most of the top users were also mods in /r/whiterights and other KKK related subreddits. It's since gotten a lot better. And while I know that this is opening up a whole can of worms, anti-Jewish bigotry is also fairly well accepted on here. It's not uncommon to see comments advocating for the expulsion of all Jews from the US and praising Hitler for his hatred of them.
If r/conspiratard is all about making fun of the most insane conspiracies, they have so much material out there that has nothing to do with this sub. They used to link here 5 or 6 times a day, but now it's down to 2-3 since everyone has them under a microscope.
If they are not a sub designed to troll and brigade this one, I expect that they will no longer be linking threads here....right?
Why shouldn't they? Is this subreddit special that it should be immune to criticism? Let's face it, every day there are a small number of threads posted to here that are completely and utterly ridiculous. Those are the threads that /r/conspiratard links to. Why shouldn't they? It fits right into their other threads with people complaining of CIA mind control satellites and secret cabals of doctors inserting alien DNA into special children.
Really? Because virtually every "argument" I see on here consists of the same opinions and anyone who dares criticize said opinions is instantly downvoted and called a "shill" as if the only possible way differing opinions can exist would be if they were getting paid to say so. Perhaps you've seen otherwise, can you point out instances of criticism of this subreddit? Or its popular conspiracies? I mean sure you sometimes see criticism, like a recent instance where the top post was an image with text claiming to quote a "US Air Force pilot" on chemtrails, but the comments argued that there was no evidence for the existence of such a quote. But most of the time anyone who dares state the opinion that (deep breath) chemtrails don't exist, the Twin Towers were brought down by two planes crashing in to them, 11 million died in the Holocaust, there's no organized brigade of trolls seeking to ruin /r/conspiracy, private drones are nothing like military drones, the US doesn't support the Al Qaeda groups in Syria, Muammar El Qaddaffi was a terrible dictator, Ron Paul has a handful of great ideas in a barrel full of nutty ones, the Sandy Hook shooting was an incident where an insane madman named Adam Lanza killed 20 children and six adults, Bradley/Chelsea Manning knowingly and willingly committed treason without checking if the documents actually exposed any war crimes, or that there is nothing wrong with GMO crops will be instantly ridiculed, downvoted and called a "shill" no matter how much evidence they have.
/r/conspiratard is a dirty way to fill a rather dirty vacuum caused by the single mindedness of the majority of the /r/conspiracy userbase.
Why are there so many people who come from conspiratard who have this really strange obsession about everything in this sub being perfectly logically sound and 100 percent skeptical of everything unless there is 100 percent proof? That's what r/skeptic is for, along with many other subs. The fact that so many of you are obsessed with this sub indicates some kind of weird mental illness because you would be much more suited to post in r/skeptic rather than r/conspiracy, where we THEORIZE about conspiracies. What is hard to understand here? Just go away if you're so upset with the content here. If you don't simply go away, I have to ask why. Why the fuck would you stay here? There are so many other subs perfectly suited to your interests.
That is why so many people here think you guys are getting paid. Because why the fuck else would you be so damn obsessed with this sub?
Why are there so many people who come from conspiratard who have this really strange obsession about everything in this sub being perfectly logically sound and 100 percent skeptical of everything unless there is 100 percent proof?
Really? Because I don't see all that many /r/conspiratard users who are "obsessed" with this sub. Maybe one or two. Can you point out to me who they are? And most of the criticism I see is not that it's rejected unless there's 100 percent proof. It's criticism of /r/conspiracy blindly accepting things that fit the popular narrative without a shred of evidence.
And stop with the "you guys". I am not subscribed to /r/conspiratard and I think that the mods are some terrible people. I visit /r/conspiracy almost every day and I only comment when I feel that there is some massive misunderstanding, which is why you see a lot of my comments as being negative.
Me thinks that the average /r/conspiracy user is so vain, self important and arrogant about their opinions, that they assume that there are armies of people being paid to challenge them. In reality it's just a fact of life that your average educated man will prefer to see evidence to extraordinary claims. Want to hear a truly fringe opinion? Shills don't exist on /r/conspiracy. And the JIDF is one guy with zero influence. They are all figments of paranoid imaginations coupled with dogmatic opinions.
It's actually funny to see someone deny that we have a bunch of obsessed weirdos at r/conspiratard.
Also I wanted to repeat: You can simply go away if you want a sub that has nothing but 100 percent proven claims. You're in the wrong sub. All other members who are butthurt that everything here isn't 100 percent proven can also just go away. That's not what this sub is about.
I really don't see why you even responded to me. You should have simply gone to another sub.
Holy fuck dude thank you for making him try and continue his little guise of dialog which clearly indicates that he is here to sabotage things.
The JIDF is one guy with zero influence, LOL, holy shit you can't be any more of an obvious instigator with comments like that.
You know, because there isn't a private JIDF reddit and scores of information regarding what they have done and continue to do all across the internet.
If this sub doesn't care about facts or evidence, then it is woefully irresponsible in doing nothing to stop the spread of false and potentially harmful misinformation.
I've never heard of someone so openly dislike a desire for facts or truth before. This isn't a creative writing sub, people come here usually on the assumption that if it's posted, it's probably true (or based in truth).
Also, he never said anything about 100% truth being required, that's a straw man. What is missing from the thought process of many of the 'creative writers' in this sub is application of Occam's Razor, and actually following evidence to the correct conclusions. There's a very good difference between "I believe this thing, because I feel that it must be true" and "I believe this thing, because of this good evidence".
People who honestly believe that 9/11 was an inside job for example, are basing that belief entirely on a series of false or misrepresented quotes, shitty special effects on youtube rants, physically impossible science bending, and one of the most improbable series of events imaginable involving the buying off/killing/silencing of the thousands upon thousands of people needed to pull off such a grand conspiracy.
There is no evidence that 9/11 was an inside job. None. And yet people still would bet their lives on it being true. You tell us to just go to other subs, but in those subs, we'd be preaching to the choir. We aren't asking for scepticism and facts in this sub because we want to hurt it, we ask because the world is a better place when people actually know if things are true or not, and better yet, know how to get to the truth more reliably. This sub needs facts and truth and evidence, or it needs to be re-branded as a creative fiction sub about conspiracies.
And while I know that this is opening up a whole can of worms, anti-Jewish bigotry is also fairly well accepted on here. It's not uncommon to see comments advocating for the expulsion of all Jews from the US and praising Hitler for his hatred of them.
This comment is currently sitting at -1 ..yet he used evidence that anyone could check to prove his point. This is what's wrong with this subreddit. He's being able downvoted solely because he's not joining the lynch mob and is making his own idea..
Well to me- if that's true- then that's all good news. I hope both subs continue to improve with better content, more rational discourse, etc. I'm not here to judge them or their mods- or what they've done. It's not my subreddit. I just asked them for some thoughts. No harm done in my opinion. People have gotten upset, but really, nothing has changed to the rules, enforcement of the rules, etc.
Let's say you were someone who co-operated a Muslim rights organization. Would you go and ask Pamela Gellar for advice about how to change it for the better? If you did, what would you expect your peers to think of that?
If a large number of my muslim rights group went and founded a group in criticism of my group- yes I would go talk to them and find out what the deal was.
Their group didn't form to criticize us, it formed to marginalize us and discredit everything we say.
The purpose of their sub is literally making fun of us.
We all know the NWO is real and is operated by various clandestine agencies which have vested positions of power in all world governments which they control together.
Yet there's conspiritard with a logo that directly makes fun of the NWO implying that it's not real.
Fuck them, their purpose is to infiltrate and destroy our sub, and they have just made theirs private so we can't even see what's up there.
Link directly to this thread. Expect more r/conspiratard members in here pretty soon. (there's already a few) Then they will claim they didn't participate because the link says .np (no participation)
By the way, they banned me the other day "for trolling," yet they are allowed to troll here all day long.
I was a little surprised of this too, but I'm not sure I'm going to call shill or anything like that.
I was just surprised to see several highly upvoted topics that were negative towards solidwhetstone and then every upvoted post was saying it's not big deal and solidwhetstone is doing the right thing.
Doesn't quite add up.
EDIT: Also notice the highest voted post in the topic is saying to use the upvote/downvote to vote for his removal. So it's got a highly net positive vote count and that comment gets upvoted, but the majority of the people in the comments think what whetstone does is ok? I don't get it.
I was just surprised to see several highly upvoted topics that were negative towards solidwhetstone and then every upvoted post was saying it's not big deal and solidwhetstone is doing the right thing.
That's not too surprising. A lot of people upvote posts they agree with without downvoting posts they disagree with. That's just a sign that the community is split on the issue.
That makes it sound like it's 50-50. It's not. It's more like 70-30. And a lot of those 30% are from conspiratard, the sub dedicated to discrediting this one.
Are you new to reddit? Take a look at almost any subreddit. People submit things ALL THE TIME without fact-checking or putting in any thought besides "I want karma". Over in r/politics, the top comment is usually something pointing out how stupid the original link is. That's kind of gone downhill over there, since they banned a bunch of blogs and spam.
THis thread cherry-picks comments and then comes up with a theory that its all part of a big scheme. This is why people unsubscribe. Shaky, paranoid theories that you would have to be a fool to believe. Esentially anybody who doesn't agree with you is "the enemy"
Well I specifically said that I wasn't accusing anyone or saying there was shilling going on, so I'm not sure who the "you" you're referring to is.
But I'd say you're mostly right. I went back to the thread and took a good lock and while there are some highly upvoted posts that are positive towards whetstone, most are negative.
This is why people unsubscribe. Shaky, paranoid theories that you would have to be a fool to believe. Esentially anybody who doesn't agree with you is "the enemy"
I think when you say things like this you're guilty of the very thing you're saying is bad. You treat everyone who posts here like someone who thinks every single thing ever reported is a conspiracy. This sub is made up of hundreds of thousands of people and we all have different opinions. You come here and perceieve a pattern and then you ascribe that behaviour to all of us. It's not the case. I don't even post here that often and when I do it's almost always from a skeptical point of view. The thing is that there are enough people in this community where pretty much every event is going to get posted about because SOMEONE out there thinks it's a conspiracy.
Please don't go around lumping everyone from a 200k+ population into the same boat.
It depends on where you look. Members from r/conspiratard obviously don't care about the comments in the bottom of the thread. (and my original idea was basically that one or two memebrs used fake accounts to upvote their own posts, so not every single comment will be "brigaded," which would be way too obvious anyways) The average person who sees the thread won't read the entire thing. And I'm not claiming some crazy conspiracy with the NSA and CIA making accounts and posting here. It could just be one or two assholes at r/conspiratard who take themselves way too seriously and made a bunch of fake accounts (which they have admitted to doing)
They are trolls. Calling them all shills doesn't do anyone any good because it can't be proven even if it was true. I just like to stick with the notion that we should ban trolls.
I didn't accuse the whole community. Just the ones who are passionately posting every damn day, clogging up the threads with accusations and name-calling. Those few dicks who attack any skeptic piss off people enough so that they go start /r/conspiritard simply to mock them.
What about all of the r/conspiratard members who routinely claim this sub is nothing but anti-semitic rants, or is a "festering ground" for antisemitism, while conveniently ignoring the fact that almost every anti-semitic rant here was done by an account that is 1 month old and/or has very little activity? (and almost always ends up with something like 20 downvotes) And also ignoring the fact that Bipolarbear0 publicly admitted to creating fake accounts and posting anti-semitic shit here? http://www.reddit.com/r/NolibsWatch/comments/1tk3b2/bipolarbear0_summons_his_voting_brigade_on_irc_to/
why are you on /r/nolibswatch? That thread is dedicated to slandering anybody who disagrees with you as a libtard. That thread is just as bad as /r/conspiritard but just in a diametrically opposed way. It was founded with the soul intent to make fun of and alienate people with opposing views. Its circle jerking at its finest.
And he's also giving solidwhetstone advice. Check the thread in r/conspiratard. You want this troll to tell r/conspiracy what changes need to be made around here?
r/conspiracy is one of the last uncontrolled subs that actually has visibility. After a few conspiracy theories were proven true over the past couple of months, there has definitely been a fresh wave of shenanigans designed to marginalize the sub. The term conspiracy theorist is losing its sting, and distrust in the government is at an all time high.
Truth be told I am glad this is happening. Clearly what we say and do here matters.
I don't censor for content- so have an upvote for expressing your opinion. I think it's important to listen to criticism and think critically. You might have noticed that none of the mods here have removed a single post critical of me (including myself). Why? I want you to step back for a second and think this through. Really try to be critical of your own mind for a second.
I actually believe it's a good idea to be self-critical. Woah! Crazy talk! Yes indeed. Being self-critical is the first step in critical thinking. If you are willing to talk to people who disagree with you- or who are trolls- or who hate you and insult you- you can learn a lot. Those are the people who won't hold back. So I leave all these threads about me up- because your opinions are important too, even if I don't share them. I want to set an example that it's ok to disagree. It's ok to think differently and to have groups like /r/conspiratard poking fun of us. We can disagree with them and still be ok with having our views challenged. That's really the whole point of this subreddit- challenging our views and challenging the views of others.
I know you're upset- it's clear that you are. And you've put a lot of time into this post and the other comments you've made. But on an unrelated note- you're a human and so am I- and I hope this stress doesn't ruin your holidays. Just take a breather, drink some whiskey, and enjoy the day off. Life's too short to get stressed out over internet forums.
They banned my account for criticizing solidwhetstone and then censored this post about it from the new queue (http://i5.minus.com/jP9Wm3YNOrHVO.png)....
Well there's your proof that they are. I'll give him an hour or so to unban me (we're talking in PM now) but if he doesn't you have to let the community see what's going on.
That would be too easy to corrupt. Unlike a real poll, users on reddit can and do have multiple IDs.
To make it work, you'd need a governing body (like a board of directors) who retain some sort of control (via community direction) over the elected moderators so a top-mod doesn't just un-mod every other mod.
Yep, he slipped up and used a bad word and he got banned. He was banned way after this comment though, which indicates that he was banned for other reasons and this was an excuse.
1 year old account and he was banned. He's very active here. No warning or anything. No chance to edit the post when only a few people saw the word "faggots." Absolutely ridiculous. I see people calling each other names here all the time and they aren't banned.
Trying to discuss with trolls who raid this sub with anti-Semitic material in an attempt to degrade the people who post here is wrong and worthy of censure.
Furthermore, the sub he is seeking assistance from is a group dedicated to destorying this sub via raids and comment manipulation.
This is what reddit inc (Alexis and Erik) have tried to do with any big subs who have reported on PR firm manipulation on reddit. Alexis and Erik run the PR firm Antique Jetpack. That it was tried in this sub told me something was very wrong.
That /u/solidwhetstone thought it appropriate to discuss with Bipolarbear0 and others as to how to censor speech on this sub is a slap in the face to the years of work some of us have out in here. This place is a bastion of free speech, the very last one left on reddit.
I could give a fuck less if he talked to them. It's why he's talking to them that's got me up in arms.
On the last link, click history, see bottom post. Click to imgur link and see link flair. The blatant anti-semitism comes from him. There's always crazy anti-semitic rants here using accounts that are very new and/or have little activity at all. The "anti-semitic problem" is actually a Bipolarbear0 problem, and this person is giving solidwhetstone advice about how to run this sub.
Bipolarbear0 97 points (in the thread where solidwhetstone asks them for advice):
There's no doubt that I absolutely despise racism, and if there's anyone out there that hates racism more than me, then it's you -- which is why I was so shocked when I learned that you moderated /r/conspiracy. Ask anywhere you go and you'll get the same answer: Of all the mainstream subreddits, /r/conspiracy is certainly one of the most racist. I'm quite familiar with it, in fact. I used to be a casual browser before I was turned off by the appalling amount of racism in the subreddit, and I'm sure that's true of many others here as well. The most common flavour is almost certainly anti-semitism
One poster mentioned the possibility of changing the sub name so that they don't appear to be hypocrite bigots, and it was met with violent opposition.
You realize that crying "shill!" whenever someone disagrees with you, instead of offering proof of your beliefs, doesn't really help your argument, right?
you realise that crying "you're only calling me a shill because i disagree with you!" is the oldest most clichéd shill defence we see around here?
Maybe that's because you cry shill whenever someone disagrees with you, instead of offering proof of your beliefs. It's a rather immature debate technique.
i am not here to educate you
You and others like you prove this by not offering any proof of your beliefs. I would ask why you don't want to educate someone that disagrees with you, but since I don't expect a particularly enlightened response I'm just not going to bother.
and we all know you aren't here to learn,
Actually, I came here because I wanted an alternative news source, and I stayed because I thought my knowledge of some events and phenomena could add to the discussion.
Which bullshit is that, exactly? I would love to debate the various issues discussed here based on facts and science instead of ad hominems, but that's all you're evidently capable of.
Another thread dedicated to calling anybody who disagrees with you a "PR campaign" or a shill. You are just digging yourselves deeper into the groupthink hole, denying that you were ever wrong about anything.
Dude, I have more accounts than you could ever possibly keep track of. You have absolutely no idea what you have stuck your head into. My firm has your subreddit wrapped around our little finger. We are the ones that decide what lives and dies here. The content on your shitty subreddit is literally nothing more than a paycheck to me.
It looks like he completely forgot that you can screenshot a pm and share it publicly. This guy is not very smart, and certainly not working for anybody. If he is, he should be fired for extreme incompetence.
So you obviously have other accounts here and you were watching this if you replied so quickly. I'm guessing both Trollkarlen and DolphinSixFive are your other troll accounts?
You've become a massive magnetic attractor to green oily dirt. I guess it's possible he's half telling the truth as well.
Also do you think it's possible this entire fiasco involving stone is a distraction to allow some other bill or agenda to be pushed through congress. Just a possibility.
Nah, I actually just came back from the grocery store and had nothing to for a few minutes so I decided to see what kind of crazy overreaction you had. Turns out it was hilarious. Thanks for putting me in the place of honor at the top of this thread.
As for the other accounts, if you think that's as far as it goes, you are sorely mistaken. I have no idea who those guys are.
Edit: also, you do realize that when you respond to my comments my inbox lights up orange right?
Whoa, hey dude. We had a great Christmas eve didn't we? Except that we are JIDF shills so we celebrated by sockpuppeting here all day. Have a good day me.
I get both sides of this issue, but I think the layout change should revert. Any further discussion about this Mod should be addressed by the Mods and then, move on folks...
I never said you were. The person with 50 alt accounts who upvoted you has sock accounts though. Either that or specific links were crossposted elsewhere for help.
I guess you could simply look at the original post and decide for yourself. That thread had a lot of very strange activity and did not seem to even closely resemble the voting behavior of this sub in general. If you personally think nothing there is out of the ordinary, fine. I'm sure most would disagree and that is all that I care about. I really didn't expect a consensus on this anyway, especially from r/conspiratard apologists like yourself.
I'm no apologist. I value the idea of a mod reaching out to our critics and asking them for their views. It doesn't mean we do anything they suggest but no one has a monopoly on good ideas and it is healthy to get some criticism occasionally. I do not subscribe or frequent conspiritard as I think the point of the sub is repugnant and their contributions often destructive. However, at the time of making that comment, I read the small number of responses to the mod's post on conspiritard and found the replies broadly sensible. They were mostly saying, in a roundabout way, that we needed to apply the sub rules more consistently.
I do think there is too much anti-semitism in this sub and some of the evidence to support submissions is weak. I would like to see improvements here for the good of the sub in general.
We need to try different things occasionally, be brave and take risks if we are to make progress. If we do what we've always done, we'll get what we've always got. That's really what motivated me to comment.
On the last link, click history, see bottom post. Click to imgur link and see link flair. The blatant anti-semitism comes from him. There's always crazy anti-semitic rants here using accounts that are very new and/or have little activity at all. The "anti-semitic problem" is actually a Bipolarbear0 problem, and this person is giving solidwhetstone advice about how to run this sub.
Bipolarbear0 97 points (in the thread where solidwhetstone asks them for advice):
There's no doubt that I absolutely despise racism, and if there's anyone out there that hates racism more than me, then it's you -- which is why I was so shocked when I learned that you moderated /r/conspiracy. Ask anywhere you go and you'll get the same answer: Of all the mainstream subreddits, /r/conspiracy is certainly one of the most racist. I'm quite familiar with it, in fact. I used to be a casual browser before I was turned off by the appalling amount of racism in the subreddit, and I'm sure that's true of many others here as well. The most common flavour is almost certainly anti-semitism
I see what you are saying and I appreciate the links. It is clear that it is definitely not one sided. People, like Bipolarbear0 are submitting anti-semitic link(s) to /r/conspiracy, that is clear. Some are doing it for shits and giggles, others are doing it to 'test' the sub. Both reasons are wrong and must be discouraged. I hope he is banned from /r/conspiracy now?
What we need to do as a sub is not to be complacent either. We need to rebuff anti-semitism posts when they are posted and upvote comments that confront them.
Ideally, for me, I would like the mods to delete the anti-semitic posts and post them on /r/undelete for us to see. However, I appreciate others want more of a dialogue and for those anti-semitic posts to be just downvoted.
If these posts are upvoted by shills and commented on by shills we need to not be drawn into the fight. Just say our views calmly and leave. Soon the shills will self-identify and we can spot those who want to undermine the sub's work.
Finally, I really want to stress that this is ultimately a diversion. We musn't allow anyone to divide the sub and undermine its credibility as this episode has done. Brash and bad tempered calls for mods' heads does us no favours, however, justified and urgent it feels at the time. Our most powerful weapons against shills are calm debate and evidenced based commentary. If we were all able to keep to those principles the shills' oxygen would soon run out.
Thanks, I just installed it and I admit I am a little concerned. The comment supporting the mod had 40 upvotes and 29 downvotes. It is fair to say that is a lot of voting activity, on a average, for comment in this sub.
This is this sub in a single post. I'm a user of /r/conspiracy. Not a shill. Not a conspiratard or whatever, and I don't mind what he did. He literally asked for advice in that other sub. They actually talked quite civilly and respectfully. You know, engaging in conversation? Not just pointing fingers and making crazy ass accusations.
I don't know... have you ever stopped to think /r/conspiracy members are actually on his side? Hence, the upvotes and downvotes on said comments. Maybe some users have a different opinion and aren't trolls or shills. Or maybe a mod is going to PUBLICLY do something to discredit himself and the sub which he moderates.
Quit fucking calling everybody a shill/troll for having a different opinion
On the last link, click history, see bottom post. Click to imgur link and see link flair. The blatant anti-semitism comes from him. There's always crazy anti-semitic rants here using accounts that are very new and/or have little activity at all. The "anti-semitic problem" is actually a Bipolarbear0 problem, and this person is giving solidwhetstone advice about how to run this sub.
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24 lovelustus 2013-12-24
Explain to me how a sub explicitly created to troll, demonize and make reddit think poorly of us could ever be considered the opposing side of the issue. Conspiritard is disgusting and any mod who sides with the pancake brigade needs to not only have mod privileges removed but he should also be banned from this sub. Reading his comments, its painfully obvious that this individual cares nothing for what this sub does and instead talks about us like a bunch of loons.
And can someone please send me evidence of this blatent racism that's so prominent in our sub. Regular contributors to this sub downvote 99% of the racist content and most of this content is obviously posted in a way to make us all look bad.
12 Sliide 2013-12-24
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the jidfconspiratard anything realistic, pointing to the truth or critical of jews zionism or israel is a threat and must be labelled lies, racism, nazism etc0 Yserbius 2013-12-24
Because that's not what /r/conspiratard is about. Sure their mods are weird (like their whole 6 year long war with NoLibs and some guy named Dusty who is now /u/ghostofdusty) and have some very disgusting things under their names (like the whole pancake/Corrie thing) but /r/conspiratard is about the insane side of conspiracy theories, of which this subreddit only plays a small part.
Seriously, do you regularly check their front page? Right now it's all about /r/conspiracy due to /u/solidwhetstone, but on the average day this subreddit makes up maybe one post in 20. Most of the rest is Facebook and Tumblr screenshots, links to fringe websites and links to other comments on reddit.
Let's take a look at their current front page. Only 5 out of the top twenty mention /r/conspiracy and they are all about the current drama. Going through the top 50 reveals only another 4, out of which 3 are related to /u/solidwhetstone.
So that's one post in 50 on average. I really don't see why people think that it's their entire schtick. There's enough crazy out there for everyone.
As for the racism, it's not as prevalent as it used to be. Most of the top users were also mods in /r/whiterights and other KKK related subreddits. It's since gotten a lot better. And while I know that this is opening up a whole can of worms, anti-Jewish bigotry is also fairly well accepted on here. It's not uncommon to see comments advocating for the expulsion of all Jews from the US and praising Hitler for his hatred of them.
14 [deleted] 2013-12-24
If r/conspiratard is all about making fun of the most insane conspiracies, they have so much material out there that has nothing to do with this sub. They used to link here 5 or 6 times a day, but now it's down to 2-3 since everyone has them under a microscope.
If they are not a sub designed to troll and brigade this one, I expect that they will no longer be linking threads here....right?
1 Yserbius 2013-12-24
Why shouldn't they? Is this subreddit special that it should be immune to criticism? Let's face it, every day there are a small number of threads posted to here that are completely and utterly ridiculous. Those are the threads that /r/conspiratard links to. Why shouldn't they? It fits right into their other threads with people complaining of CIA mind control satellites and secret cabals of doctors inserting alien DNA into special children.
12 [deleted] 2013-12-24
Immune to criticism? No. We all debate here every single day in every single thread. Whats wrong with you?
-5 Yserbius 2013-12-24
Really? Because virtually every "argument" I see on here consists of the same opinions and anyone who dares criticize said opinions is instantly downvoted and called a "shill" as if the only possible way differing opinions can exist would be if they were getting paid to say so. Perhaps you've seen otherwise, can you point out instances of criticism of this subreddit? Or its popular conspiracies? I mean sure you sometimes see criticism, like a recent instance where the top post was an image with text claiming to quote a "US Air Force pilot" on chemtrails, but the comments argued that there was no evidence for the existence of such a quote. But most of the time anyone who dares state the opinion that (deep breath) chemtrails don't exist, the Twin Towers were brought down by two planes crashing in to them, 11 million died in the Holocaust, there's no organized brigade of trolls seeking to ruin /r/conspiracy, private drones are nothing like military drones, the US doesn't support the Al Qaeda groups in Syria, Muammar El Qaddaffi was a terrible dictator, Ron Paul has a handful of great ideas in a barrel full of nutty ones, the Sandy Hook shooting was an incident where an insane madman named Adam Lanza killed 20 children and six adults, Bradley/Chelsea Manning knowingly and willingly committed treason without checking if the documents actually exposed any war crimes, or that there is nothing wrong with GMO crops will be instantly ridiculed, downvoted and called a "shill" no matter how much evidence they have.
/r/conspiratard is a dirty way to fill a rather dirty vacuum caused by the single mindedness of the majority of the /r/conspiracy userbase.
8 [deleted] 2013-12-24
Why are there so many people who come from conspiratard who have this really strange obsession about everything in this sub being perfectly logically sound and 100 percent skeptical of everything unless there is 100 percent proof? That's what r/skeptic is for, along with many other subs. The fact that so many of you are obsessed with this sub indicates some kind of weird mental illness because you would be much more suited to post in r/skeptic rather than r/conspiracy, where we THEORIZE about conspiracies. What is hard to understand here? Just go away if you're so upset with the content here. If you don't simply go away, I have to ask why. Why the fuck would you stay here? There are so many other subs perfectly suited to your interests.
That is why so many people here think you guys are getting paid. Because why the fuck else would you be so damn obsessed with this sub?
-4 Yserbius 2013-12-24
Really? Because I don't see all that many /r/conspiratard users who are "obsessed" with this sub. Maybe one or two. Can you point out to me who they are? And most of the criticism I see is not that it's rejected unless there's 100 percent proof. It's criticism of /r/conspiracy blindly accepting things that fit the popular narrative without a shred of evidence.
And stop with the "you guys". I am not subscribed to /r/conspiratard and I think that the mods are some terrible people. I visit /r/conspiracy almost every day and I only comment when I feel that there is some massive misunderstanding, which is why you see a lot of my comments as being negative.
Me thinks that the average /r/conspiracy user is so vain, self important and arrogant about their opinions, that they assume that there are armies of people being paid to challenge them. In reality it's just a fact of life that your average educated man will prefer to see evidence to extraordinary claims. Want to hear a truly fringe opinion? Shills don't exist on /r/conspiracy. And the JIDF is one guy with zero influence. They are all figments of paranoid imaginations coupled with dogmatic opinions.
11 [deleted] 2013-12-24
It's actually funny to see someone deny that we have a bunch of obsessed weirdos at r/conspiratard.
Also I wanted to repeat: You can simply go away if you want a sub that has nothing but 100 percent proven claims. You're in the wrong sub. All other members who are butthurt that everything here isn't 100 percent proven can also just go away. That's not what this sub is about.
I really don't see why you even responded to me. You should have simply gone to another sub.
6 dsprox 2013-12-24
Holy fuck dude thank you for making him try and continue his little guise of dialog which clearly indicates that he is here to sabotage things.
The JIDF is one guy with zero influence, LOL, holy shit you can't be any more of an obvious instigator with comments like that.
You know, because there isn't a private JIDF reddit and scores of information regarding what they have done and continue to do all across the internet.
Yserbius looks like controlled opposition.
0 King_Burgers 2013-12-24
If this sub doesn't care about facts or evidence, then it is woefully irresponsible in doing nothing to stop the spread of false and potentially harmful misinformation.
I've never heard of someone so openly dislike a desire for facts or truth before. This isn't a creative writing sub, people come here usually on the assumption that if it's posted, it's probably true (or based in truth).
Also, he never said anything about 100% truth being required, that's a straw man. What is missing from the thought process of many of the 'creative writers' in this sub is application of Occam's Razor, and actually following evidence to the correct conclusions. There's a very good difference between "I believe this thing, because I feel that it must be true" and "I believe this thing, because of this good evidence".
People who honestly believe that 9/11 was an inside job for example, are basing that belief entirely on a series of false or misrepresented quotes, shitty special effects on youtube rants, physically impossible science bending, and one of the most improbable series of events imaginable involving the buying off/killing/silencing of the thousands upon thousands of people needed to pull off such a grand conspiracy.
There is no evidence that 9/11 was an inside job. None. And yet people still would bet their lives on it being true. You tell us to just go to other subs, but in those subs, we'd be preaching to the choir. We aren't asking for scepticism and facts in this sub because we want to hurt it, we ask because the world is a better place when people actually know if things are true or not, and better yet, know how to get to the truth more reliably. This sub needs facts and truth and evidence, or it needs to be re-branded as a creative fiction sub about conspiracies.
0 Mrg13 2013-12-24
I know for a fact that its a lot more than one guy.
As having several higher up co-workers who I see make yearly donations to the JIDF.
7 redditeditard 2013-12-24
I'm here everyday & that's not common at all.
4 GrumpyFinn 2013-12-24
This comment is currently sitting at -1 ..yet he used evidence that anyone could check to prove his point. This is what's wrong with this subreddit. He's being able downvoted solely because he's not joining the lynch mob and is making his own idea..
0 solidwhetstone 2013-12-24
Well to me- if that's true- then that's all good news. I hope both subs continue to improve with better content, more rational discourse, etc. I'm not here to judge them or their mods- or what they've done. It's not my subreddit. I just asked them for some thoughts. No harm done in my opinion. People have gotten upset, but really, nothing has changed to the rules, enforcement of the rules, etc.
0 KingContext 2013-12-24
Let's say you were someone who co-operated a Muslim rights organization. Would you go and ask Pamela Gellar for advice about how to change it for the better? If you did, what would you expect your peers to think of that?
4 solidwhetstone 2013-12-24
If a large number of my muslim rights group went and founded a group in criticism of my group- yes I would go talk to them and find out what the deal was.
0 dsprox 2013-12-24
Their group didn't form to criticize us, it formed to marginalize us and discredit everything we say.
The purpose of their sub is literally making fun of us.
We all know the NWO is real and is operated by various clandestine agencies which have vested positions of power in all world governments which they control together.
Yet there's conspiritard with a logo that directly makes fun of the NWO implying that it's not real.
Fuck them, their purpose is to infiltrate and destroy our sub, and they have just made theirs private so we can't even see what's up there.
0 solidwhetstone 2013-12-24
Private? It seems visible to me and I never got an approved submitter message... /r/conspiratard doesn't work for you?
0 dsprox 2013-12-24
Whoops, I spelled it wrong, /r/conspiritard is private.
I should probably go to bed.
11 spaghettigod 2013-12-24
I think the upvotes of the thread speak for itself. Fuck who upvoted the comments.
9 KingContext 2013-12-24
Numerous links were made to that thread in "drama" (vote-manipulation) subreddits and presumably in non-reddit forms of communication as well.
14 Palido 2013-12-24
Rules
Just decorative?
4 youtoobinallday 2013-12-24
And the slippery slope gets slipperier
11 [deleted] 2013-12-24
http://np.reddit.com/r/conspiratard/comments/1tma6v/apparently_logical_discussions_and_comments_are_a/
Link directly to this thread. Expect more r/conspiratard members in here pretty soon. (there's already a few) Then they will claim they didn't participate because the link says .np (no participation)
By the way, they banned me the other day "for trolling," yet they are allowed to troll here all day long.
9 [deleted] 2013-12-24
I was a little surprised of this too, but I'm not sure I'm going to call shill or anything like that.
I was just surprised to see several highly upvoted topics that were negative towards solidwhetstone and then every upvoted post was saying it's not big deal and solidwhetstone is doing the right thing.
Doesn't quite add up.
EDIT: Also notice the highest voted post in the topic is saying to use the upvote/downvote to vote for his removal. So it's got a highly net positive vote count and that comment gets upvoted, but the majority of the people in the comments think what whetstone does is ok? I don't get it.
5 cmseagle 2013-12-24
That's not too surprising. A lot of people upvote posts they agree with without downvoting posts they disagree with. That's just a sign that the community is split on the issue.
6 Palido 2013-12-24
or this is more likely
ie: vote brigading.
5 SovereignMan 2013-12-24
That makes it sound like it's 50-50. It's not. It's more like 70-30. And a lot of those 30% are from conspiratard, the sub dedicated to discrediting this one.
-4 1298734 2013-12-24
Are you new to reddit? Take a look at almost any subreddit. People submit things ALL THE TIME without fact-checking or putting in any thought besides "I want karma". Over in r/politics, the top comment is usually something pointing out how stupid the original link is. That's kind of gone downhill over there, since they banned a bunch of blogs and spam.
-7 bboynicknack 2013-12-24
THis thread cherry-picks comments and then comes up with a theory that its all part of a big scheme. This is why people unsubscribe. Shaky, paranoid theories that you would have to be a fool to believe. Esentially anybody who doesn't agree with you is "the enemy"
8 [deleted] 2013-12-24
Well I specifically said that I wasn't accusing anyone or saying there was shilling going on, so I'm not sure who the "you" you're referring to is.
But I'd say you're mostly right. I went back to the thread and took a good lock and while there are some highly upvoted posts that are positive towards whetstone, most are negative.
I think when you say things like this you're guilty of the very thing you're saying is bad. You treat everyone who posts here like someone who thinks every single thing ever reported is a conspiracy. This sub is made up of hundreds of thousands of people and we all have different opinions. You come here and perceieve a pattern and then you ascribe that behaviour to all of us. It's not the case. I don't even post here that often and when I do it's almost always from a skeptical point of view. The thing is that there are enough people in this community where pretty much every event is going to get posted about because SOMEONE out there thinks it's a conspiracy.
Please don't go around lumping everyone from a 200k+ population into the same boat.
5 [deleted] 2013-12-24
It depends on where you look. Members from r/conspiratard obviously don't care about the comments in the bottom of the thread. (and my original idea was basically that one or two memebrs used fake accounts to upvote their own posts, so not every single comment will be "brigaded," which would be way too obvious anyways) The average person who sees the thread won't read the entire thing. And I'm not claiming some crazy conspiracy with the NSA and CIA making accounts and posting here. It could just be one or two assholes at r/conspiratard who take themselves way too seriously and made a bunch of fake accounts (which they have admitted to doing)
They are trolls. Calling them all shills doesn't do anyone any good because it can't be proven even if it was true. I just like to stick with the notion that we should ban trolls.
-5 bboynicknack 2013-12-24
I didn't accuse the whole community. Just the ones who are passionately posting every damn day, clogging up the threads with accusations and name-calling. Those few dicks who attack any skeptic piss off people enough so that they go start /r/conspiritard simply to mock them.
8 [deleted] 2013-12-24
What about all of the r/conspiratard members who routinely claim this sub is nothing but anti-semitic rants, or is a "festering ground" for antisemitism, while conveniently ignoring the fact that almost every anti-semitic rant here was done by an account that is 1 month old and/or has very little activity? (and almost always ends up with something like 20 downvotes) And also ignoring the fact that Bipolarbear0 publicly admitted to creating fake accounts and posting anti-semitic shit here? http://www.reddit.com/r/NolibsWatch/comments/1tk3b2/bipolarbear0_summons_his_voting_brigade_on_irc_to/
Oh, but we don't care about that, do we?
1 ForAHamburgerToday 2013-12-24
We have an irc?
-7 bboynicknack 2013-12-24
why are you on /r/nolibswatch? That thread is dedicated to slandering anybody who disagrees with you as a libtard. That thread is just as bad as /r/conspiritard but just in a diametrically opposed way. It was founded with the soul intent to make fun of and alienate people with opposing views. Its circle jerking at its finest.
6 [deleted] 2013-12-24
Fine.
http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1ro8os/this_happened/cdpaums
http://np.reddit.com/r/conspiro/comments/1gm91c/has_anyone_ever_noticed_that_jew_boys_have_their/
http://i.imgur.com/9Iz12h2.png
http://np.reddit.com/user/InterrogatoryBunny
Since you can't see past the name of a sub, there you go.
-4 bboynicknack 2013-12-24
Yeah I get it, there are random trollers on the internet. They are few. Don't feed the trolls man. Your butthurt only makes them stronger.
6 [deleted] 2013-12-24
He's a mod of restorethefourth, r/news...
And he's also giving solidwhetstone advice. Check the thread in r/conspiratard. You want this troll to tell r/conspiracy what changes need to be made around here?
2 Ambiguously_Ironic 2013-12-24
Yes. Yes he does.
2 [deleted] 2013-12-24
Fair enough. I've had my own frustrations dealing with people in this sub.
3 Ambiguously_Ironic 2013-12-24
So unsubscribe. See ya.
-2 bboynicknack 2013-12-24
And thus /r/conspiratard was born
9 readyready 2013-12-24
r/conspiracy is one of the last uncontrolled subs that actually has visibility. After a few conspiracy theories were proven true over the past couple of months, there has definitely been a fresh wave of shenanigans designed to marginalize the sub. The term conspiracy theorist is losing its sting, and distrust in the government is at an all time high.
Truth be told I am glad this is happening. Clearly what we say and do here matters.
2 sunshine-x 2013-12-24
Can you provide examples of actions taken to censor posts? They're re-posted over at /r/uncensorship if that helps.
You may wish to read this, too: http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1tmia3/moderator_transparency_in_rconspiracy/
3 readyready 2013-12-24
There a bunch of them right here.
2 mrhappyoz 2013-12-24
This post got censored, for a start.
7 solidwhetstone 2013-12-24
I don't censor for content- so have an upvote for expressing your opinion. I think it's important to listen to criticism and think critically. You might have noticed that none of the mods here have removed a single post critical of me (including myself). Why? I want you to step back for a second and think this through. Really try to be critical of your own mind for a second.
I actually believe it's a good idea to be self-critical. Woah! Crazy talk! Yes indeed. Being self-critical is the first step in critical thinking. If you are willing to talk to people who disagree with you- or who are trolls- or who hate you and insult you- you can learn a lot. Those are the people who won't hold back. So I leave all these threads about me up- because your opinions are important too, even if I don't share them. I want to set an example that it's ok to disagree. It's ok to think differently and to have groups like /r/conspiratard poking fun of us. We can disagree with them and still be ok with having our views challenged. That's really the whole point of this subreddit- challenging our views and challenging the views of others.
I know you're upset- it's clear that you are. And you've put a lot of time into this post and the other comments you've made. But on an unrelated note- you're a human and so am I- and I hope this stress doesn't ruin your holidays. Just take a breather, drink some whiskey, and enjoy the day off. Life's too short to get stressed out over internet forums.
1 [deleted] 2013-12-24
If you censored them, we would be even more outraged. So thank you so much for your kind gesture. We really appreciate it and are ever so thankful.
And you're lying. http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1tmitr/they_have_started_banning_people_for_criticizing/
You're censoring right now.
3 sunshine-x 2013-12-24
That was done by AutoModerator, as you can see here:
http://www.reddit.com/r/uncensorship/search?q=conspiracy&sort=new&restrict_sr=on
You may be interested in:
http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1tmia3/moderator_transparency_in_rconspiracy/
4 [deleted] 2013-12-24
AssuredlyAThrowAway sent 37 minutes ago
They banned my account for criticizing solidwhetstone and then censored this post about it from the new queue (http://i5.minus.com/jP9Wm3YNOrHVO.png)....
After censorship it looked like this-http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1tmitr/they_have_started_banning_people_for_criticizing/
AssuredlyAThrowAway sent 21 minutes ago
Well there's your proof that they are. I'll give him an hour or so to unban me (we're talking in PM now) but if he doesn't you have to let the community see what's going on.
6 remove_bagel 2013-12-24
It's damage control time!
All of these mods need to be purged
5 Sliide 2013-12-24
agree, if they had any honor they would start polls and elects new mods
3 sunshine-x 2013-12-24
That would be too easy to corrupt. Unlike a real poll, users on reddit can and do have multiple IDs.
To make it work, you'd need a governing body (like a board of directors) who retain some sort of control (via community direction) over the elected moderators so a top-mod doesn't just un-mod every other mod.
6 [deleted] 2013-12-24
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7 redditeditard 2013-12-24
Calling them faggots only helps their cause, man...
3 [deleted] 2013-12-24
Yep, he slipped up and used a bad word and he got banned. He was banned way after this comment though, which indicates that he was banned for other reasons and this was an excuse.
1 year old account and he was banned. He's very active here. No warning or anything. No chance to edit the post when only a few people saw the word "faggots." Absolutely ridiculous. I see people calling each other names here all the time and they aren't banned.
-3 [deleted] 2013-12-24
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4 AssuredlyAThrowAway 2013-12-24
Trying to discuss with trolls who raid this sub with anti-Semitic material in an attempt to degrade the people who post here is wrong and worthy of censure.
Furthermore, the sub he is seeking assistance from is a group dedicated to destorying this sub via raids and comment manipulation.
This sub, about three weeks ago, was asked by /u/solidwhetstone to stop reporting on censorship in other subreddits. http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1rv28k/guidelines_update_moving_redditrelated/
This is what reddit inc (Alexis and Erik) have tried to do with any big subs who have reported on PR firm manipulation on reddit. Alexis and Erik run the PR firm Antique Jetpack. That it was tried in this sub told me something was very wrong.
That /u/solidwhetstone thought it appropriate to discuss with Bipolarbear0 and others as to how to censor speech on this sub is a slap in the face to the years of work some of us have out in here. This place is a bastion of free speech, the very last one left on reddit.
I could give a fuck less if he talked to them. It's why he's talking to them that's got me up in arms.
6 Cordrazine 2013-12-24
reddits is srs bzns
6 oozynozh 2013-12-24
A sub named conspiratard bitching about racism....making fun of retards is ok?
8 [deleted] 2013-12-24
Do you want to know why there is too much anti-semitism here?
http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1ro8os/this_happened/cdpaums
http://np.reddit.com/r/conspiro/comments/1gm91c/has_anyone_ever_noticed_that_jew_boys_have_their/
http://i.imgur.com/9Iz12h2.png
http://np.reddit.com/user/InterrogatoryBunny
On the last link, click history, see bottom post. Click to imgur link and see link flair. The blatant anti-semitism comes from him. There's always crazy anti-semitic rants here using accounts that are very new and/or have little activity at all. The "anti-semitic problem" is actually a Bipolarbear0 problem, and this person is giving solidwhetstone advice about how to run this sub.
Bipolarbear0 97 points (in the thread where solidwhetstone asks them for advice):
There's no doubt that I absolutely despise racism, and if there's anyone out there that hates racism more than me, then it's you -- which is why I was so shocked when I learned that you moderated /r/conspiracy. Ask anywhere you go and you'll get the same answer: Of all the mainstream subreddits, /r/conspiracy is certainly one of the most racist. I'm quite familiar with it, in fact. I used to be a casual browser before I was turned off by the appalling amount of racism in the subreddit, and I'm sure that's true of many others here as well. The most common flavour is almost certainly anti-semitism
Here's one from yesterday. He seems to be doing this pretty often: http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1tk4nq/in_which_ubipolarbear0_summons_his_voting_brigade/ce8vpf2?context=3
4 [deleted] 2013-12-24
http://np.reddit.com/r/conspiratard/comments/1tmwcr/changing_the_name_of_this_sub/
One poster mentioned the possibility of changing the sub name so that they don't appear to be hypocrite bigots, and it was met with violent opposition.
0 SpaktakJones 2013-12-24
Damn dude, don't stoop.
5 Sliide 2013-12-24
take a wild guess which side of the argument the trolltards and shills are upvoting?
5 DolphinSixFive 2013-12-24
You realize that crying "shill!" whenever someone disagrees with you, instead of offering proof of your beliefs, doesn't really help your argument, right?
0 Sliide 2013-12-24
you realise that crying "you're only calling me a shill because i disagree with you!" is the oldest most clichéd shill defence we see around here?
i am not here to educate you and we all know you aren't here to learn, get lost.
0 DolphinSixFive 2013-12-24
Maybe that's because you cry shill whenever someone disagrees with you, instead of offering proof of your beliefs. It's a rather immature debate technique.
You and others like you prove this by not offering any proof of your beliefs. I would ask why you don't want to educate someone that disagrees with you, but since I don't expect a particularly enlightened response I'm just not going to bother.
Actually, I came here because I wanted an alternative news source, and I stayed because I thought my knowledge of some events and phenomena could add to the discussion.
No.
1 Sliide 2013-12-24
prove we see thru your bullshit more like.
enjoy your stay, while it lasts.
1 DolphinSixFive 2013-12-24
Which bullshit is that, exactly? I would love to debate the various issues discussed here based on facts and science instead of ad hominems, but that's all you're evidently capable of.
What are you threatening here, exactly?
4 [deleted] 2013-12-24
The down vote brigade has hit hard, my friends.
1 bboynicknack 2013-12-24
Another thread dedicated to calling anybody who disagrees with you a "PR campaign" or a shill. You are just digging yourselves deeper into the groupthink hole, denying that you were ever wrong about anything.
-1 Final-Hero 2013-12-24
Its sad. The paranoia grows, people point fingers, and if you have a different opinion than me...you must be with them
1 Forgotten_Password_ 2013-12-24
In other news, /r/conspiracy continues to have the biggest victims complex on reddit.
1 [deleted] 2013-12-24
Not sure if there is any validity here, but if there is here is a message to the people getting payed.
1 Doc---Hopper 2013-12-24
I actually just got a comment from some tool claiming that he is reporting me for using a homophobic word. The word? "Cocksucker."
1 wantsneeds 2013-12-24
I love the wild west
-3 DahvieVanity 2013-12-24
It's almost like reddit is full of thousands of different people with different ideas and beliefs.
edit: typo
edit 2: I can't type for shit
10 [deleted] 2013-12-24
It's almost like you're a fake account. Your history isn't even semi-convincing.
-7 DahvieVanity 2013-12-24
"fake account". Yep, there's a fake person sitting here behind this account typing to you.
10 [deleted] 2013-12-24
You logged into this account today and responded to a guy from 3 months ago. http://www.reddit.com/r/botdf/comments/1kcxtx/who_is_our_biggest_fan_on_this_subreddit/ce9ae60?context=3
What's your main account?
-8 DahvieVanity 2013-12-24
What do you mean?
7 [deleted] 2013-12-24
This is what this guy just sent me via pm:
5 Final-Hero 2013-12-24
This guy probably doesn't even have a job, lol "my firm".
He's probably 18 years old, lives with mom, and loves to troll.
7 [deleted] 2013-12-24
It looks like he completely forgot that you can screenshot a pm and share it publicly. This guy is not very smart, and certainly not working for anybody. If he is, he should be fired for extreme incompetence.
5 Final-Hero 2013-12-24
Its almost like /u/dahvievanity just got completely caught and is now playing dumb.
7 [deleted] 2013-12-24
I know he's just a troll because he sent me that stupid PM. It's not even worth asking the mods to ban him. This is hilarious.
And I got a screenshot of it, so if anyone thinks I'm lying let me know and I'll post it.
2 DolphinSixFive 2013-12-24
Please post screenshot.
5 [deleted] 2013-12-24
http://imgur.com/0rZy6R2
0 Trollkarlen 2013-12-24
Did you just take an actual picture of your screen instead of a sceenshot?
2 [deleted] 2013-12-24
Yea. I just bought this computer and it was quicker that way.edited screenshot
-1 DahvieVanity 2013-12-24
10/10 would LOL again
4 [deleted] 2013-12-24
So you obviously have other accounts here and you were watching this if you replied so quickly. I'm guessing both Trollkarlen and DolphinSixFive are your other troll accounts?
2 machinezombies 2013-12-24
You've become a massive magnetic attractor to green oily dirt. I guess it's possible he's half telling the truth as well. Also do you think it's possible this entire fiasco involving stone is a distraction to allow some other bill or agenda to be pushed through congress. Just a possibility.
-3 DolphinSixFive 2013-12-24
Yeah, we're not the same person. Sorry.
-4 DahvieVanity 2013-12-24
Nah, I actually just came back from the grocery store and had nothing to for a few minutes so I decided to see what kind of crazy overreaction you had. Turns out it was hilarious. Thanks for putting me in the place of honor at the top of this thread.
As for the other accounts, if you think that's as far as it goes, you are sorely mistaken. I have no idea who those guys are.
Edit: also, you do realize that when you respond to my comments my inbox lights up orange right?
-2 DolphinSixFive 2013-12-24
Hey me, it's me. How are we doing today?
-2 DahvieVanity 2013-12-24
Whoa, hey dude. We had a great Christmas eve didn't we? Except that we are JIDF shills so we celebrated by sockpuppeting here all day. Have a good day me.
-1 DolphinSixFive 2013-12-24
It was glorious before editing.
-3 Final-Hero 2013-12-24
Someone explain why he "isn't qualified" and why asking for advice made this sub demonize him?
Both of these posts are just one big circlejerk over whether you like him or don't. I wanna know why you don't.
-4 redditeditard 2013-12-24
I get both sides of this issue, but I think the layout change should revert. Any further discussion about this Mod should be addressed by the Mods and then, move on folks...
8 Ambiguously_Ironic 2013-12-24
'Cause the mods have really proven themselves trustworthy...
-2 sunshine-x 2013-12-24
Have they not?
Without looking at the list, can you name one sub that opens their mod logs to reddit at large?
-7 Shandd 2013-12-24
Gasp! Sometimes people don't agree with your witch hunts!
-2 [deleted] 2013-12-24
Seriously... this is pathetic
-7 Fuckyousantorum 2013-12-24
Hey, I'm no sock puppet! I just have a different view to you. Roll your neck in please. You're making this sub look crazy.
7 [deleted] 2013-12-24
I never said you were. The person with 50 alt accounts who upvoted you has sock accounts though. Either that or specific links were crossposted elsewhere for help.
-1 Fuckyousantorum 2013-12-24
Oh. How do you know who upvoted me? 12 points doesn't seems out of the ordinary to me. I can't see how many downvotes I had.
5 [deleted] 2013-12-24
I guess you could simply look at the original post and decide for yourself. That thread had a lot of very strange activity and did not seem to even closely resemble the voting behavior of this sub in general. If you personally think nothing there is out of the ordinary, fine. I'm sure most would disagree and that is all that I care about. I really didn't expect a consensus on this anyway, especially from r/conspiratard apologists like yourself.
0 Fuckyousantorum 2013-12-24
I'm no apologist. I value the idea of a mod reaching out to our critics and asking them for their views. It doesn't mean we do anything they suggest but no one has a monopoly on good ideas and it is healthy to get some criticism occasionally. I do not subscribe or frequent conspiritard as I think the point of the sub is repugnant and their contributions often destructive. However, at the time of making that comment, I read the small number of responses to the mod's post on conspiritard and found the replies broadly sensible. They were mostly saying, in a roundabout way, that we needed to apply the sub rules more consistently.
I do think there is too much anti-semitism in this sub and some of the evidence to support submissions is weak. I would like to see improvements here for the good of the sub in general.
We need to try different things occasionally, be brave and take risks if we are to make progress. If we do what we've always done, we'll get what we've always got. That's really what motivated me to comment.
5 [deleted] 2013-12-24
Do you want to know why there is too much anti-semitism here?
http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1ro8os/this_happened/cdpaums
http://np.reddit.com/r/conspiro/comments/1gm91c/has_anyone_ever_noticed_that_jew_boys_have_their/
http://i.imgur.com/9Iz12h2.png
http://np.reddit.com/user/InterrogatoryBunny
On the last link, click history, see bottom post. Click to imgur link and see link flair. The blatant anti-semitism comes from him. There's always crazy anti-semitic rants here using accounts that are very new and/or have little activity at all. The "anti-semitic problem" is actually a Bipolarbear0 problem, and this person is giving solidwhetstone advice about how to run this sub.
Bipolarbear0 97 points (in the thread where solidwhetstone asks them for advice):
There's no doubt that I absolutely despise racism, and if there's anyone out there that hates racism more than me, then it's you -- which is why I was so shocked when I learned that you moderated /r/conspiracy. Ask anywhere you go and you'll get the same answer: Of all the mainstream subreddits, /r/conspiracy is certainly one of the most racist. I'm quite familiar with it, in fact. I used to be a casual browser before I was turned off by the appalling amount of racism in the subreddit, and I'm sure that's true of many others here as well. The most common flavour is almost certainly anti-semitism
0 Fuckyousantorum 2013-12-24
I see what you are saying and I appreciate the links. It is clear that it is definitely not one sided. People, like Bipolarbear0 are submitting anti-semitic link(s) to /r/conspiracy, that is clear. Some are doing it for shits and giggles, others are doing it to 'test' the sub. Both reasons are wrong and must be discouraged. I hope he is banned from /r/conspiracy now?
What we need to do as a sub is not to be complacent either. We need to rebuff anti-semitism posts when they are posted and upvote comments that confront them.
Ideally, for me, I would like the mods to delete the anti-semitic posts and post them on /r/undelete for us to see. However, I appreciate others want more of a dialogue and for those anti-semitic posts to be just downvoted.
If these posts are upvoted by shills and commented on by shills we need to not be drawn into the fight. Just say our views calmly and leave. Soon the shills will self-identify and we can spot those who want to undermine the sub's work.
Finally, I really want to stress that this is ultimately a diversion. We musn't allow anyone to divide the sub and undermine its credibility as this episode has done. Brash and bad tempered calls for mods' heads does us no favours, however, justified and urgent it feels at the time. Our most powerful weapons against shills are calm debate and evidenced based commentary. If we were all able to keep to those principles the shills' oxygen would soon run out.
1 Palido 2013-12-24
you can see down votes with a browser add on.
check this sub
/r/enhancement
insanely useful add on with ton of features, grab it if you don't have.
1 Fuckyousantorum 2013-12-24
Thanks, I just installed it and I admit I am a little concerned. The comment supporting the mod had 40 upvotes and 29 downvotes. It is fair to say that is a lot of voting activity, on a average, for comment in this sub.
1 Palido 2013-12-24
Np,
and ya, there's reasons to be concerned.
-8 [deleted] 2013-12-24
You have to be kidding right?
This is this sub in a single post. I'm a user of /r/conspiracy. Not a shill. Not a conspiratard or whatever, and I don't mind what he did. He literally asked for advice in that other sub. They actually talked quite civilly and respectfully. You know, engaging in conversation? Not just pointing fingers and making crazy ass accusations.
I don't know... have you ever stopped to think /r/conspiracy members are actually on his side? Hence, the upvotes and downvotes on said comments. Maybe some users have a different opinion and aren't trolls or shills. Or maybe a mod is going to PUBLICLY do something to discredit himself and the sub which he moderates.
Quit fucking calling everybody a shill/troll for having a different opinion
9 [deleted] 2013-12-24
http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1ro8os/this_happened/cdpaums
http://np.reddit.com/r/conspiro/comments/1gm91c/has_anyone_ever_noticed_that_jew_boys_have_their/
http://i.imgur.com/9Iz12h2.png
http://np.reddit.com/user/InterrogatoryBunny
On the last link, click history, see bottom post. Click to imgur link and see link flair. The blatant anti-semitism comes from him. There's always crazy anti-semitic rants here using accounts that are very new and/or have little activity at all. The "anti-semitic problem" is actually a Bipolarbear0 problem, and this person is giving solidwhetstone advice about how to run this sub.
-8 DahvieVanity 2013-12-24
What do you mean?
0 Trollkarlen 2013-12-24
Did you just take an actual picture of your screen instead of a sceenshot?